We know that the Obama administration pays attention to citizen petitions started on the White House’s official website; Press Secretary Jay Carney cited a petition as the reason the White House released its top-secret beer recipe this summer. What to make, then, of the nearly 20 petitions that have popped up in the last few days asking for states to secede from the Union in the aftermath of President Obama’s reelection?

It’s believed a petition from Louisiana started the ball rolling, and citizens from more and more states have jumped on board. Consider, for example, the text of this petition asking for Texas to withdraw from the United States:

The US continues to suffer economic difficulties stemming from the federal government’s neglect to reform domestic and foreign spending. The citizens of the US suffer from blatant abuses of their rights such as the NDAA, the TSA, etc. Given that the state of Texas maintains a balanced budget and is the 15th largest economy in the world, it is practically feasible for Texas to withdraw from the union, and to do so would protect it’s citizens’ standard of living and re-secure their rights and liberties in accordance with the original ideas and beliefs of our founding fathers which are no longer being reflected by the federal government.

With the looming implementation of Obamacare a done deal, liberals haven’t hesitated to blame announcements of layoffs and hiring freezes on rich, angry right-wingers having a post-election hissy fit. Oh, and racism. So it didn’t take long for the Left to lay into the Tea Party as sore losers.

https://twitter.com/HASHed_out/status/267761784499355651

https://twitter.com/cspencer96/status/267759129928560641

https://twitter.com/Beastedward/status/267775112474939393

Liberals would never stoop so low as to entertain leaving the country, would they? Many will remember the calls for blue states to secede after George W. Bush’s reelection, handily covered in this 2004 piece in Salon. (Fair warning: Do not drink hot liquids while reading it, or you’ll ruin your monitor when you get to the line, “Liberals have long opposed the growth of state power.”)

It might surprise some of the “sore loser” crowd to learn that many conservatives are not on board with the idea of secession at all, even at the “let’s start an online petition” stage.

https://twitter.com/ToddKincannon/status/267604705612537857

Others, though, are giving the thought serious consideration, and at the least consider the petitions a message that needs to be heard at the White House. Will its occupants give it the attention they gave to the White House beer recipe?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Stephanie-Warren/100001648091118 Stephanie Warren

    Smart people. I don’t blame them at all. My family wants to move to Texas if/when it does.

    • b_truit

      Already in the works for me. I hope they do, I will fight to keep my constitution alive somewhere. Go the white house.giv and sign it people

      • Heather Claffey

        hey idiot, it’s .gov not .giv… only a stupid liberal would get that wrong, but you probably enjoy the .com site Stephanie, your welcome to come to Texas! Texas has the 2nd largest economy in the nation… what would the US do without us?????

        • b_truit

          I think you need to calm down and relax, I’m clearly on the side of Texas and as conservative as they get. oh no, I guess in your world only liberals have typos, get a grip, apparently there are still idiots on my side as well.

        • TundraThunder

          It’s you’re, not your. If you want to argue with someone, make sure your of grammar before you call names and correct someone else. It seems to me Debbie doesn’t have a problem coexisting with us conservatives, like the liberals who would welcome harm to us.

        • Bill Gryan

          I think “.giv” is probably the new domain for government giveaway programs. They tried to get “.borrow”, but China wouldn’t let them have it.

          • http://www.facebook.com/peranut.norman Peranut Pam Norman

            LOL!!

        • blhjr

          you would be invaded by mexico and we wouldnt come to your rescue, thats what would happen

          • Paul Kersey

            Good, d1ckweed.. then we wouldn’t have to worry about gutless cowards getting in the way while we run the illegals back across the border

          • b_truit

            They already are being invaded, and the state troopers do far more work than the feds in protecting the state. Your argument destroyed.

          • http://IKnowBO.com/ Slam1263

            Hey Marcia! Wake up Bobby! He’s dreaming that we DON’T have an Mexican invasion going on.

          • AMERICAN Kafir™(KAdams)

            And we have been. For like 40+ years. In my hometown, we didn’t have a ‘ghetto’, per se. We had ‘Little Mexico’.

          • http://twitter.com/girl_chef1 Ginna

            Yeah, Texas is being invaded with guns given to the Mexicans by Obama. Thanks O – big help! Texas does not need the kind of “help” Obama offers. We don’t need free birth control and condoms, we need that idiot to stop giving weapons away to people who will use them against us.

          • AjaxJ

            I am from Texas and I believe the the whole secession it total BS. By the way, Texas, California and New Mexico was taken from Mexico,. Stop being such bigots.

          • http://www.facebook.com/douglas.scalzo Douglas M. Scalzo

            Mexico will invade with what military? Common dumbass. If Texas and fellow states break the illegals will be running back home or to a liberal state as fast as possible. Texas would round them all up and send them right back home where they belong.

          • http://www.facebook.com/susie.rudd.9 Susie Rudd

            HELLO, we are already being invaded by Mexico!!! That is why we have almost 12 million illegals in this country.

          • Dwayne Jackson

            Obviously Bobby you’ve never been to Texas.

          • AMERICAN Kafir™(KAdams)

            Lol… all the Mexicans are here, working, not serving in their military, duh. Now, if you want to correct that statement and say, maybe invaded by the Mexican drug cartels, then yes, I see that as a possibility. However, with the new border laws, I doubt many of the Mexican drug cartel members would leave alive.

          • Mike Gonzalez

            Texas would not need your weak a**ed liberal help. The only thing libs would do in dangerous situations, is turn tail and run (very fast), in the opposite direction. Texas would eliminate the illegal flow in a heartbeat. Good luck supporting all the freeloaders, unless you’re one, also.

          • http://twitter.com/BlissDesignz Tabitha Taylor

            We’re being invaded because of Obama neutering our border security & protecting the illegals with his open borders! HE is the reason for the invasion! And to make things worse he arms the drug cartels just like he arms America’s enemy Al Qaeda. He is the number one threat to the safety of Az & America. Get a clue!

        • http://www.facebook.com/Shannon.Godley64 Shannon L Godley

          No need to be ugly………. I’m fed up with all the ugliness. Intelligent people can debate with out calling each other names.

          • Judith Lewis

            You never complained when your buddy was accusing Romney of being Attilla the Hun, Dracula and Hannibal Lector wrapped into one. Don’t start with the holier than thou stuff now. It’s totally ingenuous. Now that your assassin in chief is safely back in office you all suddenly have gotten religion. Too late. Besides, we don’t consider you intelligent and the time for debating is over.

          • BeautifulAmerica

            So right!

          • Kathy

            Not if you get the best of a liberal!!! That’s when the name calling starts because they have no facts!!

        • AjaxJ

          They also have some of the lowest wages in the country. I am here as well. San Antonio. And it’s either “you are welcome” or “you’re welcome.”

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_MJGP4QXZ5PRW2MFA5E25CV2WNU rosalie

      My first reaction was that I don’t blame them. When I mentioned it to my husband, he said the same thing.

    • Chuck Orange

      Except for the open carry law I would have stayed in Texas….But out here I do not need to deal with idiots. Now I will see if Arizona has one of those petitions….and sign it smartly…

      • SpinMeNot

        Ok, I’ll bite — what is wrong with the Texas concealed carry law? (Serious question, I’m curious)

        • Shawn Smith

          Actually, Chuck said “open carry”, which may be the point of contention here. I’m also curious to hear his answer, though.

          • SpinMeNot

            I stand corrected, thank you sir.

          • disqus_qVncIGdP6H

            ditto, has texas turned into a shooting gallery since open carry? i bet not.

          • torpedoman2002

            No we have not. No wild west gun fights. Crime has dropped some but stupid people will act stupid.

        • Don odom

          Believe it or not, it is illegal to open carry in Texas. You would think they would definitely be an OC state but not so.

          • SpinMeNot

            Yes, thank you. I live on the Texas/Oklahoma border — it has been pointed out to me that I conflated open carry with concealed carry.

            I suspect that the man’s original point was he wants open carry.

            However, I do appreciate you taking the time to toss me a clue.

        • Guest

          I think he meant ‘open container’ law! lol!

          • SpinMeNot

            that went back in the late 70s as I recall. Lived in a small town in East Texas then … the guys that were the age I am now, used to talk about driving distances based on the number of beers they’d consume on the drive.

            I’m not missing those days …

        • Todd Amend

          Not a thing, the libs just don’t want anyone to have guns to protect themselves . But Oklahoma has a better one , they have open carry laws.

          • Julie

            OK is also deep into RED country Plus Plus

          • beastdogs8

            The liberals don’t want the every day serfs to be armed, but liberals are more that happy to have armed body guards around themselves.

        • Dawn Holmberg

          nothing

      • conservativechick

        Maybe they will get a FENCE to secure their border then! :)

      • blhjr

        another state that would be invaded by mexico
        and please dont use the words arizona and smartly in the same sentance.

        • Brenda Hellwig

          *sentence*

        • $7610427

          “Sentance”? Haaaaahahahahaha…

    • conservativechick

      IF TEXAS secedes I’M THERE!

      • http://www.facebook.com/TexasConservative Stephen Boyd

        Our Oil and Gas, and keep our money here in Texas. Only Conservatives allowed to stay. What a happy sight!!!!!

        • conservativechick

          Maybe we should focus on getting TEXAS over top numbers? JUST ONE STATE, TEXAS for now. Others can follow!

          • Michael Anderson

            There’s no reason that the seceding states couldn’t form a loose affiliation for purposes of trade etc. Wonder if Romney would be willing…

          • http://www.facebook.com/david.morales.900 David Morales

            i doubt he would but i’d support him if he did

    • Bill Gryan

      I will be moving out of a blue state in the next 3 years.

    • disqus_qVncIGdP6H

      lots of people feel the same way. i’m afraid i’ll have to move to texas in my old age.

    • Edward Brandon

      For all those wanting to move to Texas. Please do. We would welcome any and all who believe in commonsense. And we currently have several “oil booms” happening.

      • http://twitter.com/BlissDesignz Tabitha Taylor

        Not for long if Obama can help it

      • Shari L Childers Thomas

        I’ve been giving it serious consideration for several years and not it seems more urgent to do so. If they were to secede, they would have an influx of conservatives.

      • beastdogs8

        I am from a small conservative out post in a very blue state I have been thinking of fleeing for some time now, I have many skills, work two jobs and handy with the gun as well as the bow. if the you know what hits the fan, Texas, Arizona or even Oklahoma are top my list of were to flee to with wife and daughter.

        • BeautifulAmerica

          Good man

    • Dawn Holmberg

      come on down

  • http://pinterest.com/j0s1395/ Josephine (D)

    I’m thinking of demanding a recall on Obama. Something is not right about his victory. Americans cannot be that stupid as to re-elect an outright anti-Christian socialist, and if they are, it was likely because he is biracial, and no one wants to be called RAAAAAACIST.

    • billeeblue

      My husband and I were talking about that very thing this morning. This victory does not pass the smell test.

      • AMERICAN Kafir™(KAdams)

        I agree, not that any election is completely right(correct), but this one feels way off.

    • Nathaniel Door

      There is ridiculous evidence of voter fraud. It’s not even funny. But nobody wants to pursue it because they’ll look like conspiracy theorists.
      I can’t find the link I wanted to post, but this article covers some of it:
      http://townhall.com/columnists/rachelalexander/2012/11/11/obama_likely_won_reelection_through_election_fraud

      • SpinMeNot

        Mr. Door — while I whole heartedly agree with your assertion, since when has evidence mattered to Holder and his band of merry mischief makers?

        This runs in the same vein as the Benghazi hearings being held by the House. Don’t get me wrong, the hearings need to be held — but what the heck is going to come of it? Lets of denials, deflections, a few invocations of 5th amendment rights and we’ll all be told, by the WH, “Nothing to see here … move along … move along.”

        I am happy to see that the courts in Florida are giving the Honorable Allen West a recount, that at least is good news. Lets all pray for a reversal of fortunes there.

        • Todd Amend

          No the WH claim Bush was the cause . He’s to blame for it all. Thats all they know blame someone else for their faults and lies.

      • JamesandLoretta

        I hope it is being investigated. Something has to be done to prevent this from happening in 2016 or we will never win another election unless we start playing by their rules

        • http://www.facebook.com/susie.rudd.9 Susie Rudd

          Do you REALLY think there will ever be another election in this country?

          • Teresa

            No

          • Mike Gonzalez

            No, I don’t. Unless something drastic happens, I feel we are screwed.

      • Ironhawk86

        Like cultures, religions, and penis sizes, not all conspiracy theories are created equal.

    • scubaski00

      When a county such as St. Lucia in FloriDUH has a voter turnout of 141%, therein lies the problem!! I have NO DOUBT that every state that Obama won had turnouts that EXCEEDED the number of registered voters! Still, I had hoped that enough Republicans and NON-Obama voters would have countered the expected FRAUD!! That’s the ONLY way he one!!

      The MILITARY ballots alone (had they been counted) would have ensured a Romney victory–only 200,000 votes in 5 states is all that was needed for Romney to win!!

      • SpinMeNot

        This actually wasn’t the case, each ballot was two cards, if you count each card separately, then you get that number — it actually was just a bit above 70%.

        I am 100% with you on the military, my eldest son’s PDS is in Florida – some of the other units in his command echelon aren’t. Some of those soldiers didn’t get to vote. Special Forces boys and girls, Special Forces …

      • Joe Smith

        only 30 percent got to vote the democratic states made it as hard

        as possible for them even telling some of them they had to vote in person

        • AjaxJ

          That is the dumbest lie I have ever heard. Did you get that from FOX news>?

    • golftilidrop

      Look at a map of the US election on a county by county basis, it is 90% red. only in the large metro areas is it blue, fraud must be the only expanation.

      • Shawn Smith

        Population density varies quite a bit. The sheer size of the red areas doesn’t say much about how many people live there. I know it looks wrong, but it’s not necessarily any indication of fraud.

        • SpinMeNot

          Spot on — and this was done by intent. The electoral college was intended to balance this out, along with the fact that Senators were intended/supposed to be representing the government of the state, and hence why the Constitution does no specify how they are selected — that was changed, *senior moment*, sorry, I can’t for the life of me remember when. Need scotch … the brain needs lubricating or something.

          However, we’ve changed so much with regard to the Legislative Branch, it just all noise at this point.

          • http://www.facebook.com/mike.hoffman.31924 Mike Hoffman

            It was changed in 1913, the same year the National Government decided they could take money from the citizens’ pockets instead of relying on the states–that would be the 16th and 17th amendments.

          • SpinMeNot

            Thank you sir.

          • http://www.facebook.com/mike.hoffman.31924 Mike Hoffman

            I had a few days ago posted a long entry that I wrote about that (and a few other events–the federal reserve also 1913 which led to fiat money, Supreme Court case in 1803 Marbury vs Madison, which led to the final major blow in 1936 which was Supreme Court case United States vs. Butler) that have severely damaged the freedom in this country.

          • SpinMeNot

            Can you tell me how I can find that? I’d be interested in reading it.

          • http://www.facebook.com/mike.hoffman.31924 Mike Hoffman

            https://www.facebook.com/mike.hoffman.31924?ref=tn_tnmn

            You might have to scroll down a bit.

          • http://www.facebook.com/mike.hoffman.31924 Mike Hoffman

            Were you able to find it?

      • Joe Smith

        its the electoral college democraps start with 55 votes before we start because of stupid california lets start on a level playing field and give texas 55 votes

      • Purple State

        You have to consider population density. There might be one tiny blue dot on an otherwise red state, but the population of that dot overwhelms the rest. The electoral college vote system is the only explanation.

      • Timothy Noonan

        Population density is the explanation.

    • SpinMeNot

      They can, and they are. This goes way back to John Dewey and his close relationship with the CommIntern — the Soviets also used Dewey’s work in the 20s and 30s to build their public education system.

      The CommIntern invested tremendous amounts of energy into the infiltration of the western education system, primary, secondary and graduate levels. Why do you think the universities are full of Marxists? It really isn’t a coincidence. I find in it amusing, that Kruschev had it right all along; I can’t remember the exact quote. And I’m too old an too tired to go find it. May I paraphrase?

      “In the end, Communism will take over West, and we will not have to fire a shot to do it.”

      Reagan, God rest his soul, did the very best I think anyone could have, but in the end, well, here we are.

      • AjaxJ

        Another Idiot!! Reagan raised taxes 7 times while he was in office……

        • SpinMeNot

          Is this thread about taxes? No, its about education. Yes, Reagan raised taxes 7 times … I was there, I was paying them. I don’t dispute your point. I don’t see it with regard to education. Reagan saw the threat in the Soviets at a level no one had seen before.

          Stay focused, I know its hard …

      • BeautifulAmerica

        This guy knows his history. Thanks for telling it.

    • http://twitter.com/x_ScubaSteve_x ScubaSteve

      Someone already started the petition.

      https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petitions

    • blhjr

      being a christian isnt a requirement for being president. we dont want our country run by hand mumblers anyway.

      • Paul Kersey

        dumbass.. you have a closet muslim now.

      • SpinMeNot

        And so, we have a voice from the Party of Tolerance.

    • Paul Kersey

      The states the required no ID let people vote by mail, and on election day.. possible to vote by mail SEVERAL TIMES as well as vote as many times as possible on Tuesday.

    • http://www.facebook.com/benjamin.codner Benjamin Thomas Codner

      its because the working person who is informed and wants opportunity for American citizens is outnumbered by the lazy foodstamp collectors who vote simply for handouts from a socialist government. they dont understand where money comes from, they just take the handouts and live their worthless lives. this election would have been different if welfare was used to help people through tough time like it should be. if you collect welfare you should be required drug tests, 30 hours of community service every week, and it should provide bare essentials, just enough to get by. if it was a difficult life to live people would not take advantage of it.

    • http://IKnowBO.com/ Slam1263

      It’s OK to hate his white half, he does.

    • Kathy

      If the Dems can recall WI gov then we have plenty of reasons to recall Obama. Fast & Furious, Benghazi, WH leaks, etc….

    • AjaxJ

      The problem is that people are a lot more educated and realize FOX news is for bigots and idiots. Face the facts… President Obama WON!! Get it through that small mind of yours…….. Wow!!!

      • http://pinterest.com/j0s1395/ Josephine (D)

        Keep rubbing it in, loon. Enjoy getting laid off(if you even have a job) and paying too much for gas under your President.

  • Sterling Hallbrook

    Wait until all those saying “good riddance” discover that those that want to leave are the ones paying all the taxes for all their beloved progressive crap. Then we’ll see who makes out better. Taxation without representation. Sound familiar?

    • http://twitter.com/redsoxunixgeek Smitty 

      Actually most of those 20 States pay less taxes than they take in.

      Source: http://www.economist.com/blogs/dailychart/2011/08/americas-fiscal-union

      I know the economist is “Liberal biased” because science and Math always have a liberal bias according to the Tea Party.

      Signed, Nate Silver.

      • omicron123

        Almost every damn state pays less taxes than it takes in. That’s what’s so fun about having a budget deficit.

        But the extreme examples, positive, are states like Texas and Wisconsin – GOP in one case and GOP governor in the other; and the extreme negative examples are blue states like California and Illiniois.

        • SpinMeNot

          Ladies and gentlemen, yes — it really is that simple.

        • ConservativeRepublican

          Oh, you don’t get it. Red states get more in federal tax dollars than they pay in. Blue states pay more in federal taxes than they receive back. That’s the real redistribution of wealth. And if blood sucking red states didn’t have the blue states to pay their way, they’d change their tune very quickly.

      • SpinMeNot

        lol, its the spin on the electrons, they turn left don’t ya know …

        wow.

      • lainer51

        what a crock…

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IQIGXRVWW5XRETNV25R4FATCOM ssenecal5000

        Yeah , your fake chart suggests California is in great fiscal shape
        LOL Your chart includes federal spending for FEDERAL things
        Take the example given for Virginia…..”federal spending” means Pentagon, military ect…a national expense not a state one. This type of spending has nothing to do with the state budget or the people.
        So Montana with small population and thus lower tax generating economy is a deficit in your chart merely because it has a few military installations
        You tried to make a point with a chart that has nothing to do with your point
        Here is a good one not on your chart- we spend billions on our 21 military installations in Germany, they have yet to pay us a dime in US taxes
        Democrats are dumb.

        • Julie

          Math is hard for them!

        • walterc

          In addition to the military/gov’t installations, they also spend a lot of money administering federal lands that could be much more efficiently administered by the state. Actually if we could just drill and mine the federal land located in Wyoming and get rid of the BLM, Forrest service bureaucrats, we could have a surplus.

        • http://twitter.com/BlissDesignz Tabitha Taylor

          lol well said! The libs love to spin, twist & warp things so it comes out looking like the facts support their argument. A tactic they use with just about every policy they have. Truth comes out to the masses eventually once it effects them directly. A good example is the fact we’re seeing a ton of high school age kids becoming conservative. This all started when Michelle Obama’s sweeping lunch reform came along & they had to suffer. The dollar collapse too will come along & after that the liberal twits may get it. It’s pretty tough to make a chart & spin a tale as to why the masses are hungry & homeless while justifying it.

      • rbtpowell

        A blog site for primary source material……yea, real scientific Einstein

      • Man of Little Means

        What your report refuse to define that in government spending they refer to everything from bullets to bedding for the military, for military bases, to retired government spending, oh and lets not forget on of the governments favorite programs “Farm Subsidy” when I was a child we had 175 acres of land the government paid us not to farm. We just had to mow the weeds. They wanted to control food prices. It’s obvious there would be more military in the south because the population is not as dense. So your report or least how you try to frame your report is flawed in many ways. Take a look at the last election by county in the states of WI, MN, OH, PA and tell me those are blue states. Population in the inner city may be blue but the states are not. Just in Ohio Obama only won 16 out of 88 counties but he won all the inner city vote. Haven’t figured out yet what it is the inner city produces other than crime and poverty

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1811311581 Dawn Brewer Burkhart

          really good ethnic food places.

      • Antonio AtLaw

        Wait this fails to point out is that those State’s are receiving most of that tax money as farm subsidies that keep the price of food down in your blue states…. See how well that works when all the states that produce the food start sending it to you at actual market prices

        • Antonio AtLaw

          Also, it fails to take into account the fact the the largest federal parks and most military installations are in red states which also explains the cost

      • http://twitter.com/GlenneOrgus Glenne Bannon

        According to the Tea Party
        anyone who doesn’t agree with them has a liberal bias.

    • Bad things coming

      Yep.

    • http://www.facebook.com/brenizer Doug Brenizer

      The states that want to leave are the biggest welfare per capita states. The north and Cali still generate most of this country’s GNP.

      • Todd Amend

        what the hell have you been smoking. the north is going broke and calf. is one of the biggest welfare states there is. Look at whole cities going bankrupt.And you think they generate most of this countries GNP. What a joke.

        • Kylabee

          4,000 people a week are fleeing California, IIRC

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IQIGXRVWW5XRETNV25R4FATCOM ssenecal5000

            Hmm, that explains why the GOP registrations in California is at an all time low…27 percent. , and why red states got a deeper red

        • Kathy

          Now that CA is totally Dems, we will see how quickly they go down!!! Extremely good testing ground!

        • http://www.facebook.com/TexasConservative Stephen Boyd

          Doug is STONED!!!!!

      • Dwayne Jackson

        Doug are you pulling our leg or are you really that stupid?

      • http://www.facebook.com/TexasConservative Stephen Boyd

        Damn Doug, you must be smoking some great stuff.

      • Teresa Davis McCormick

        Nice joke LOL

        • http://www.facebook.com/david.simmons.7503 David Simmons

          …probably not a joke. He is more than likely that stupid!

        • http://www.facebook.com/david.simmons.7503 David Simmons

          …probably not a joke. He is more than likely that stupid!

      • ceemack

        Do you actually believe that? My once-beloved California has 1/10 of the country’s population, but 1/3 of its welfare cases. (And Sacramento still can’t figure out why we’re going broke.)

      • http://www.facebook.com/david.simmons.7503 David Simmons

        Doug, how can you be so ignorant? That was a completely absurd statement…why do you think obama got re-elected?? anyone with any sense knows that the freeloaders didn’t want to lose their free stuff. If you had the intelligence you could find out yourself…..

      • http://www.facebook.com/david.simmons.7503 David Simmons

        Doug, how can you be so ignorant? That was a completely absurd statement…why do you think obama got re-elected?? anyone with any sense knows that the freeloaders didn’t want to lose their free stuff. If you had the intelligence you could find out yourself…..

    • $22639970

      Not just those that are paying the taxes, Sterling. They’re also the ones who create jobs and products. So the effect on the Obamasses will be even more pronounced than mere money, it also means shortages of a lot of stuff.

    • CVB

      Ditto!

    • jiminidaho

      Right on. It always amazes me how stupid liberals think conservatives are. Only, they’re the stupid ones. They don’t even have a clue!

      • SteveThomas39

        The funniest thing about all these lib tweeters is that if the red states did secede, sooner or later all our “progressive” friends would be trying to get in to find a job and a civilized, freedom embracing place to live.

        • beastdogs8

          Might need then to build a wall to keep the liberals out, another thing to do, is put in nice little things being required to live the conservative nation, like: firearm ownership being mandatory, that might scare off some liberals. Another idea is like in Israel serving in the military, is again mandatory, that would also scare off liberals, the possibilities are endless.

    • jasmine

      except they are represented in the senate. dumbass…people u voted for

    • http://www.facebook.com/TexasConservative Stephen Boyd

      Amen!!!

    • Juan_Rico

      In Texas we have our own oil and natural gas supply, our own agriculture (rice, corn, wheat, cattle you name it, we’ve got it), our own commercial fishing industry, two of the biggest high tech sectors in the country (Austin and Houston), our own manufacturing, our own power grid (that’s a big one, in fact, when California was having brown outs in the early 2000s, they wanted Texas to give them power. We did, but made them pay for it), multiple military installations and one of the biggest National Guards in the country….. I could go on, but you get my point. Not to mention we keep a balanced budget and still have a very good economy, which has only been hurt by the crap that’s been coming down from the Feds lately like Obamacare etc.

      In other words, the leeches are who would be hurt by this, and big time. We lose nothing by seceding besides ridiculous amounts of Federal baggage.

      • The Truth Hurts

        Amen to that

    • Guest

      Might I add:

      No taxation without job creation? Or, no taxation without corporation?

      Has a nice Johnny Chochran rhyme to it.

    • HindaRifka

      The truly moronic petition is the one being floated to “Strip the Citizenship from Everyone who Signed a Petition to Secede and Exile Them.” Just imagine, Libs, once again, thinking that anyone that disagrees, or voices their First Amendment protected opinion, should be rounded up and thrown out of the country. Hmm, that’s reasonable, huh? There aren’t even words….

  • Joe W.

    Texas is probably the only state with the resources and the economy to succeed as an independent country. We have all we need here to be self sufficient. Other red states are welcome to join us.

    • JimmyNeutron

      The real shame is that California could as well – great agriculture AND energy resources. They just don’t use it. Losers.

      • Joe W.

        They lack intelligent, conservative leadership…

        • AjaxJ

          Sean, Jimmy, Marta and Joe. You all are complete ignorant, bigoted dumbasses.. Wow!!!

          • Joe W.

            Hey, Shitforbrains….what does secession have to do with bigotry, eh?? Race baiting douche nozzle.

          • BeautifulAmerica

            Go away.

        • BeautifulAmerica

          There’s plenty of it, e.g. Elizabeth Emken, but liberals & illegals outnumber conservatives; which is why she lost. To traitor Feinstein. I think California should stew in its own juice for a while and let Pelosi, Brown, Boxer, Feinstein, Chu, Waxman, Maxine Waters, Barbara Lee, Villaraigoso, and all the commies take the rap for their own petard.

          • Joe W.

            There are many intelligent CITIZENS, my friend. But until they are elected, they can hardly be considered “leadership”…;-)

      • Lady 12

        Washington State, too, especially the hydroelectric power.

    • exlogger

      Alaska can live on it own also, but a lot of Gov. workers would lose there jobs which would be a good thing. Matter of fact if the EPA was run out of the state, Alaska would boom.

      • http://twitter.com/thetugboatphil TugboatPhil

        I think states should start evicting federal bureaucrats. Let them regulate D.C.

      • SpinMeNot

        They have their share of those parasites in Texas .. Texas, Oklahoma, Louisiana … we need to work on those hillbillies in Arkansas. Would be a fine place to live, any of those four areas, everything needed.

        • JimmyNeutron

          MO and KS are reliably red. KS may be the reddest state in the union, and MO went from being a swing state to a red state. The Dakota’s, NE, KS, OK and TX and the Canucks could proceed with Keystone.

          • http://www.facebook.com/Shannon.Godley64 Shannon L Godley

            Michigan and Ohio are predominantly union or union related. They are red.

          • JimmyNeutron

            Romney lost both of them though. They can have OH and MI – the people there that want freedom can immigrate.

          • Jeremy R Howdyshell

            hey; those of us in Southern/Southeastern Ohio would all go with you. The 36 Appalachian Counties of Ohio would be more than happy to make its own state and leave the union!

          • http://www.pattisponies.com Patti King

            Was KS the state that had Sebelius as a governor? how did that happen?

          • JimmyNeutron

            KS went through a time where “moderates” were all the rage – Gov Graves was a moderate R, Dole was, Nancy Landon-Kassabaum, and Sebelius rode the “moderate” wave to the Governors mansion – she campaigned as a moderate and was an effective insurance commissioner prior to being Governor. Won’t get fooled again – KS has Brownback as Gov and have purged any and all moderates from the party and control all levers of government now.

        • http://www.pattisponies.com Patti King

          All we need now in AR is to get our ovomit lover governor out in 2 more years. then we could be part of the United States of Patriots

      • orringtonmom (D)

        could it stand a sudden population boom? hope so. because if it were to secede, i’m moving there…

      • Joe W.

        No military & no major university structure. Not enough population, either. What will they do for food like beef and corn??

      • Lady 12

        If Alaska seceded, I might move there, but I doubt anybody will secede. It took decades of friction before anybody seceded in the Civil War, so I doubt one deplorable election will split the country.

      • anime1girl

        You 2 disgust me.

    • Sean Barrentine

      I’m all for it if we have to go that way. I’m not about to sit back and let us go to a communist dungheap.

    • GaryTheBrave

      Wyoming is the only state that has enough resources within its borders to support it’s population without having to rely on imports or exports.

      • blhjr

        lol, are you serious? good luck living the little house on the prairie lifstyle. seperated from the union you states wouldnt survive.

        • http://pennyrobinsonfanclub.net/ PennyRobinsonFanClub

          Ya think? Give it a year, and let’s see how many bushels of corn New York will take in swap for the Statue of Liberty.

        • GaryTheBrave

          According to the late, great Paul Harvey, if a fence was stretched around Wyoming the people could thrive just on the wildlife, agriculture, and energy resources within its borders and never have to buy imports. This is due to the low population and the wealth of resources. For example, there are at least ten pronghorn for every person in Wyoming. Plus there are deer, elk, moose, and bears. Beef and dairy cattle abound as well as sheep.

          Natural gas, oil, and coal can keep every citizen warm for decades. Although a fairly dry land the lakes are quite deep and get replenished by the snowmelt.

          Although Texas is a fine Republic, its resources would be used up in short order due to the large population.

        • BeautifulAmerica

          No, YOU states wouldn’t survive the corruption from within.

      • Joe W.

        Wyoming is land locked.

        • GaryTheBrave

          So are a lot of countries.

          • Joe W.

            No Navy, and a helluva high price for tuna….;-)

    • http://www.facebook.com/Shannon.Godley64 Shannon L Godley

      La. is in good shape. I think we could make it.

      • Joe W.

        No military.

    • Michael Morris

      If we seceded, then the state of Louisiana could actually drill for oil again. That would give us a huge boon to self-sufficiency.

      I can’t imagine that we’d have any problem with teaming up with Texas though.

    • http://twitter.com/LT_Warbuck Augen Auf!

      Signing the petition for North Carolina, My family and I are with you.

      • Joe W.

        Texas has already gained 35807 signatures….growing at about 100 per minute now…..

  • JimmyNeutron

    Listen to the pants-wetter’s talk about “America is worth fighting for!!!!” bwahahahaha! Right. America is not America anymore. We are a social democracy with no will to change – that’s what Tuesday taught us. I’m not “Anti-America”, I’m just not wanting to have to make a country with 50% of my current countrymen. It isn’t racist, I welcome all races and religions, just not socialists. This secession isn’t about race it is about ideas and what role the government should have in peoples lives and in commerce. The idea is this – the USA, with corruption on both sides of the aisle, has turned into an entitlement state with 99% of the power shared between Washington D.C and Wall Street. The corruption, on both sides, has fueled this. They have turned the ONE asset that a free and independent nation needs (a free press) into Pravda and they expect us to suck at the teat of the government, both for our sustenance as well as our information. Time to part ways. The Blues can create their social Utopia and the Reds can create a liberty-based, truly free-market system. No animosity, not hatred, just a parting of ways. We’ll even send free food if you have a disaster – provided that the Czar of Food Bloomberg will deem it acceptably sodium and fat free.

    • Lord Foggybottom

      A free Republic is my idea of utopia. I was born 100 years too late.

    • SpinMeNot

      I whole heartedly agree. As of 07 NOV 2012, when the monkey dung starts flying, best not be poking around my house/land unless you’ve been invited. The liberal-progressive pukes wanted us divided, they got us divided.

      I’ll give you good odds on the our side — their side doesn’t like guns.

      • AjaxJ

        That’s really smart. The only division I see is coming from the Bigoted right. You are an embarassment to the white race….

        • SpinMeNot

          ok, I’ll bite, what is bigoted about saying if you don’t belong on my land, don’t be there?

          Where did I mention color? I really don’t get this …

          Crap on a cracker .. why is everything about race with people.

    • blhjr

      go, leave. we wont miss you. just make sure to turn in all govt property before you do. that includes all military equipment.

      • JimmyNeutron

        Well, just like at the Battle of Gonzales I guess we can fly the “Come and Take It” flag and see how it works out.

      • Bristel

        ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ

        • JoH113

          I’m sure Leonidas added a “bitches!” at the end of that…

          • Bristel

            There was a *snap snap snap* in my version of the story.

    • Bill Gryan

      Problem is that they get to keep their half of the weapons. And when their country fails, it’s not “fair” that yours is doing well.

    • AjaxJ

      You sound like a complete idiot. Such ignorance needs to be noted but not followed.

      • JimmyNeutron

        Thank you, sincerely. You can tell more about someone by their enemies than their friends. To annoy a leftist is the most supreme compliment. I appreciate you giving my day a lift.

  • http://www.facebook.com/debra.b.lambert.5 Debra Barnes Lambert

    Recount the swing states!!

  • http://twitter.com/Treatise Daniel Flynn

    Surprising at 1st, but peaceful secession of the right to work states would remove a half million in debt from each household as well as NLRB and crushing regulatory interference on business.

    • AjaxJ

      Half million? Where did you get that from? Let me guess………. The news for bigoted idiots……. FOX News………. Wake up.

  • disqus_AUicBCi4us

    I agree with Josephine. Something is rotten in Denmark. After all Obama does come from Chicago where many politicians are in jail. I’ve heard stories of illegal immigrants registering to vote, older people scared into voting for Obama etc. And make not mistake, Obama is a muslim. In his inaugural speech in 2009 he said “we are all christians, and MUSLIMS, and jews. When did a president of the US ever mention muslims in their speeches especially an inauguration speech. I rest my case!! Goodbye America as we know it. Even Hugo Chavez the dictator of Venezuela said he would vote for him – what does that say to u!!

    • blhjr

      even if he was a muslim, that doesnt disqualifiy him from being president.
      being a christian isnt a requirment for being president.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JZ5HL6SGXRWK24JHDOPZ7FINS4 Zimriel

        Being a Muslim *should* disqualify said Muslim from employment in any secular country, like this one. Islam denies separation of “church” and “state”, or more exactly mosque and army.

        Obama is not a Muslim, though. The reason to disqualify him is – oh hell, there is no reason. He is the President most Americans deserve.

  • MawrPidyn

    I think Texas could do just fine. It has the population of Canada, and is self-sufficient in food and (could be) in energy. Texans should take that into account when they start getting their power cut in the 115F heat this summer: O’dinglnuts’ EPA is shutting down Texas power plants, and rolling blackouts will become the norm.

    • Back 4 More

      Well, Texas is about 27 times bigger than Israel and has 4 times more people, so maybe they could get some of that 30 billion that Obama gave to Israel in foreign aid. Heck, maybe the federal reserve would give Texas trillions in interest free loans like they do for Israel and then have American tax payers foot the bill for them. It seems the only way to get any help from our government is to be a slacker that refuses to work, or a foreign country.

      • Dawn Holmberg

        Do not go against Israel, that is one country we should always defend

  • Maria Seeger

    I signed the petition for my state even though I recognized it’s largely symbolic. I find it amusing that the Liberals had the same idea back in 2004 when Bush won re-election.

    • katzkiner

      Hard working people make hard fighting people. Liberals were a joke.

  • Chris

    People refer to America as a democracy. America was founded as a Republic. Folks, we’ve already lost America. Everyday those folks you elected in DC are laughing all the way to the bank and it doesn’t matter what their skin or party color might be. The next step is for people to fear the government and then it’s completely over because that means the Constitution is no longer recognized. That day will be a very sad day for not only Americans, but the world as a whole. Wake up and smell the coffee folks. America is the only country that can truly keep every nation in check.

    • Lynda Griffin

      With Blamer/Liar In Chief the Constitution is already TOAST, with his next Supreme Justice appointees in his pocket it will be GONE, His appointees don’t “Follow the Law” they “Create Law” from the bench to get him what he wants and he WANTS the constitution of this Country GONE. Fast and Furious, an Attack on our 2nd Amendment, Benghazi was an ATTEMPT to attack our Free Speech (Blame the Video). He already HAS the Media Silenced. He is attacking Christians right and Left and this country just re-elected the right to be OWNED by your Government
      (ObamaCare). They have been indoctrinating our Children to Socialism from Kindergarden to College (Hitler anyone) Blamer in Chief is doing exactly as he wishes, and honoring his father “Take Down America”

      • AjaxJ

        You are a dumbass and he is a christian who separates church and state. The US is ranked 38th in healthcare for its citizens before Obamacare. Please convince me that you are smarter than FOX thinks you are…..

    • SpinMeNot

      Mr. Bates — excellent points. Before the US, it was Rome, the Roman Republic .. then Rome got the kleptocrats, then the mob got all greedy. Then along comes the Great Julius Caesar and with Pompei and Antony forms the Triumvirate … Then Caeser kills both those guys and takes over. A few months later, he gets killed by the kleptocrats the Roman Empire is born.

      I’d be nervous if I was Biden and Reid.

    • TiLiNi

      i already fear the government :-/

  • Kevin Nichols

    We are a Constitutional Republic not a mob rule Democracy. Obama wants America to become a Democracy though. The American people are saying that they’ve has enough of an over intrusive anti-constitution Big Brother Government. The Patriot Act, NDAA,TSA,AGENDA 21, REX 84, UN SMALL ARMS TREATY,FEDERAL RESERVE, IRS and the UN have got to go!

  • opossom

    If texas secedes I’ll move there and open up a business! Now if you’ll excuse me I have petition to sign!

    • http://saberpoint.blogspot.com/ Stogie Chomper

      Yeeeeehaaaa! That was my rebel yell. I’ll be right behind you, friend!

  • http://twitter.com/thetugboatphil TugboatPhil

    How about seceding so that STATES can utilize the Freakin natural resources that are on their land? We shouldn’t be held hostage to rich, white liberals that can’t stand to see a hole dug in the ground. We should be drilling and mining the EFF out of of these resources right NOW!

    Oklahoma has a working oil rig on the lawn of the state capitol. THAT is how government should work for their citizens.

    • Hiraghm

      We don’t happen to have a petition going, do we?

      • http://twitter.com/thetugboatphil TugboatPhil

        No, but Texas is looking better all the time.

        • AjaxJ

          Only the bigoted dumbass Texans are supporting that BS. All Texans aren’t that STUPID!!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/randy.soski Randy Soski

    The PARASITE IN CHIEF says he has a mandate…He better look at the red blue schematic of the US…He basically won 9 Metro areas. Most of this country rejected him… But then ..he WILL punish them…Already in the process of regulating us into submission by taking all our money away through higher fuel, energy and gasoline taxes…. Regulation into Submission…The PARSITE IN CHIEF has reached his goal…

    • Hiraghm

      The flaw of democracy which the Founding Fathers distrusted asserted itself bigtime this election.

    • AjaxJ

      What does that make you? IDIOT!!!

  • fuskiegirl21

    I’m just thinking about Bermuda. It’s warm,pretty and no Capital Gains Taxes. Oh yeah and Iran is not pissed at them.

    • Jim Denney

      Yeah but the cost of living is really high … oh, wait.

  • $30588638

    North Carolina and South Carolina are with you Texas.

    • fuskiegirl21

      If Georgia signs up let me know, I will sign.

      • $30588638

        Georgia already has a petition and it has already gotten 202 signatures.

        • blhjr

          wow, 202. thats all the people who can read and write in the state.

        • AjaxJ

          202 Dumbasses. I expected more.

    • The Truth Hurts

      Hell Yes

    • katzkiner

      Hell yeah!!

  • Lance Horner

    When Obama said that if he had a son, he would look like Trayvon, I found that disgusting coming from a sitting president regarding an ongoing court case. And when all the news stations continued to show little baby Trayvon’s angelic junior high picture for a week, when more current “gangsta” pics were available, that’s when I stopped watching TV. Blacks say that whites are racist, but then gave Romney a statistical 0 (ZERO) percent of their vote. Zero! True racists. True lowlifes.

    • JimmyNeutron

      Oh, that’s ok. I understand where he was coming from. I mean, if I had a dog it would look a lot like the dog Obama ate…

  • Dee

    LOL at all those saying “Good riddance and you won’t be missed.” Oh, you better believe you are going to miss us!

    • louisiana_mom

      Especially, our tax dollars that pay for all the “free stuff”…

      • blhjr

        who are you going to cry to when another hurricane decimates your state? not the fed.

        • louisiana_mom

          After seeing the way FEMA handles hurricanes, we will be better off on our own… If we are not sending most of our tax dollars to the federal government we will be able to handle our own affairs!!! Get it.

          • AjaxJ

            I hope you are not really that stupid.

    • http://www.facebook.com/RuthlessReapersRC Mark Holmes

      What will they do when all the working, tax paying people are gone and all that are left are the 96% blacks that live off of freebies, 70% hispanics most of which are likely illegals, and 60% women that only want free birth control and free unlimited abortions (so they are obviously sluts aka Sandra Fluke)? Who will pay for all their freeloading lives?

      • AjaxJ

        What a true racist…

  • Kate

    I like when these liberals reference the Civil War. Who lost that war again? Oh, yeah, the party of slavery (Democrats)!

    • $30588638

      The same party that started the KKK and Planned Parenthood.(Dumbocrats) People just don’t know their history.

      • Hiraghm

        Yeah, people just don’t know their history… like the ones who believe the Confederate War was about slavery and not (power over) money.

        • SpinMeNot

          At that time, they were the same thing. The south saw its demise in the growing movement to abolish slavery, because without the slaves, the south would have no money or power.

          The newly formed Republican Party used that to garner support by openly calling for the restriction/barring of slavery in new states. Lincoln had been a lifelong opponent of slavery, he was the perfect man for the job for those people that wanted to break the power of the southern states in US politics.

          All wars, every single flipping one of them start because of greed, hate, envy or sloth — and those always boil down to money and power. Mr. Lincoln wasn’t purely motivated by money and power. I’m not saying he wasn’t in some way, but lets not ignore that he was an ardent opponent of slavery. For him, it was a bit personal

          • AMERICAN Kafir™(KAdams)

            Yes, but Lincoln decided not to renew the charter for the ‘National Bank’. Johnson did, in 1864. Lincoln wanted the US to be able to print their own currency (aka ‘greenback) but the international bankers said ‘Nooo’.

    • blhjr

      who lost the war? oh yeah all the states who voted for Romney :)

      • Jeremy R Howdyshell

        ummm……considering almost half of the states that voted for Romney weren’t even states at the time?

        • mike_in_kosovo

          You’ll have to forgive little Bobby… history (and math, and logic, and…) aren’t liberal’s strong suits.

        • mike_in_kosovo

          You’ll have to forgive little Bobby… history (and math, and logic, and…) aren’t liberal’s strong suits.

  • JoH113

    Does Texas even need “permission” to secede? I thought they had a weird little loophole that came with their statehood, or they didn’t technically complete the paperwork to become a state, or something. In any case, I’d be happy to move there if they secede…

    • JimmyNeutron

      Nope – that’s a wives tale. Unfortunately. I’m actually unsure if anywhere needs “permission” actually.

    • http://www.freedomreconnection.com/ FreedomRecon

      Texas can legally secede from the union. It’s written into the Texas declaration of independence.

    • aragona

      No state needs permission. They voluntarily joined the union; the can voluntarily leave it.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000786642902 Kelly Roberts
  • http://www.facebook.com/randy.soski Randy Soski

    Have the red states secede and then give the PARASITES a taste of their own regulation….Charge them flyover fees that bankrupt them as the PARASITES want to bankrupt every successful business and person in this country….PARASITE IN CHIEF WILL BUILD FROM THE MIDDLE CLASS. Hey stupid..I am in the middle class and don’t have a dime to start up a new industry…Oh…I will call Bain Capital and ask them for some help…oops forgot …they are villans….can’t do that…Guess I will do like all the state and fed workers are doing…take an early retirement…called social security disability…I am stressed…and that is all thats necessary for me to qualify..

  • WVS

    I’ve rolled the idea around for a long time. Run through the scenario in your mind–a conservative America in the heartland and South, with a leftist America from the Northeast and Mid-Atlantic along the Lakes and Canadian border over to the West Coast. Entrepreneurs flock by the thousands to the heartland, while welfare dependents, terrified of not getting their “fair share” under real capitalism, flee to the North. How long will it take for the nanny state up there to collapse, after losing most of its revenue sources and keeping all the takers? I’m in my 20s; if the split happened today, the collapse would probably come in my lifetime. When it hits the fan up there, there are two possible outcomes.
    1) Liberals recognize capitalism as a flawed but ultimately far superior system, and offer to reunify the country under the conservative government.
    2) More likely, liberals see the prosperity to the south and turn ugly. This is more consistent with their current attitude toward achievement. Somehow our success would be vilified: an “unfair” trade deal, “unfair” treatment of workers, “unfair” immigration policy, anything. It wouldn’t be hard to convince an army, raised from desperate thugs in Chicago, New York, Boston, Philly, D.C., and L.A., to swarm across the border and take their “fair share.” Population would not favor us.

    I don’t want a civil war. So let’s not give up just yet. That said, if Texas goes, I’ll be doing a lot of soul-searching–and probably a lot of packing.

    • Lovetorun2

      WVS – I’ve had the same thought about “two Americas” – sadly, the nanny state America wouldn’t last long and as you noted, we would have another civil war on our hands. My husband and I agree – if Texas goes, so do we (to Texas!)

      • blhjr

        please go to northern mexico. i mean texas 😛

    • Jeremy R Howdyshell

      Well since those leftists don’t like guns, we don’t have to worry about them putting up much of a fight.

      • WVS

        They like guns just fine, so long as they aren’t in the hands of bitter, clingy, and potentially uncooperative citizens.

    • Bob Khan

      There’s a similar situation in my father’s homeland of Korea. On one hand you have the Communist North (Democratic People’s Republic of Korea) which believes the Kim family to be gods. On the other hand you have Conservative Capitalist South (Republic of Korea) where over 50% of the population are Christians and take great pride in their traditional values and businesses. It’s been nearly 60 years since the war paused and it is quite apparent which side is winning.

      On my Mother’s side of the family, we have ancestry that was divided between the Confederacy and the Union. It would seem that my family cannot escape all of this division **** lol!

  • rrpjr

    This is actually very exciting news. The grotesquerie of Obama and of his victory — the damage being done to this country — will have consequences and many surprising and inspiring ones, I’m sure.

  • stuckinIL4now

    I have an idea, let’s throw the following states out of the union: MD, DE, NJ, NY, RI, CT, MA, VT, NH, ME, and the city of Philadelphia–the rest of PA can stay if they want–plus IL, CA, OR & WA. We can add to the list as well, unless we can turn those other states back from the blue side. And then we’ll need to compile an exile list of US Senators and House Representatives in the states that are remaining, with Harry Reidiculous at the top of the list.

    • Mike Horve

      Just a note about Illinois. Chicago is why we are a blue state I wish it would float off in lake Michigan. I know the rest of state feels the same way. We are very red downstate.

  • Mike Horve

    It seems like a good idea but would it be a lot easier just to impeach the big O. They have for lesser crimes than all he’s done.

    • Sonya A. Willis

      Yeah but the deep down core problem are the Leftists who spew vile, hateful poison from their inner core. At this point in time I don’t see how we can live together anymore when we are so ideologically different. For the sake of everyone even the Leftists, it’s best we go our separate ways and live the way we choose to: Constitution and freedom vs. free birth control and food stamps.

      • blhjr

        if by constitution and freedom you mean klan meetings and white power than go ahead and leave. al the states that want to leave are the ones who lost the civil war.

        • Judith Lewis

          What are you….five? The KKK was and is a democrat organization. Always was. They killed black republicans during reconstruction( look it up). The democrats were and are the racists. The southern democrats lost the civil war. Remember? Lincoln was the first republican president. So get your history right. Never accuse someone of something unless you know you’re right. The South has a long history of hating anybody who comes around trying to tell them what to do. By the way, the southern states were were among the original thirteen colonies. My state, Virginia, was the first capitol of the Colonies. Jamestown, Virginia is the oldest permanent settlement in America. So YOU LEAVE! We’ve more than earned our right to be here and to damn well object when uneducated cretins try to tell us what to put up with. I reckon most of us here have a great deal of understanding about what constitutes having our rights trampled on. The people in the northern part of our state are newcomers who are quickly wearing their welcomes out. So get yourself a good history book and learn what being American means and stop allowing yourself to be made a fool of by a bunch of malcontents who are full of self loathing and will only be happy when they destroy this country and all it stands for.

    • blhjr

      which crimes would that be again?
      they didnt impeach the war criminal Bush did they? for kidnapping and torturing people. and invading another country and hanging its leader.

      • Judith Lewis

        SHUT UP!

  • justntime2

    Many the times I’ve wished for my own dang island, but isn’t saving America more important? Yes, I’m a TEA Party (ing) nut and I’ve been talking up the Fair Tax as long as it has been around, so point you liberal anger at me. But I plan to win this fight one day. One nation, under God.

  • SwTk

    All hale the Great Divider. What a guy. It took a white Republican to end a civil war, now it takes a Black Democrat to start a second civil war. Thats not racist – that is becoming a fact.

    • Hiraghm

      It took a white Republican to START the confederate war, too.

      • SwTk

        Might want to do some research. White Dems started cessation. Wanted to keep slavery and created the KKK in the wars aftermath. It took a White Republican to end slavery, the first “Civil War” and to reunite the Union.
        Another example of selective teaching by public education or you didn’t listen
        until you were too old to learn. Read a book once and a while.

    • blhjr

      yes all hale

  • [email protected]

    First of all, lets look at the facts…. the Republic of Texas… was a nation… when taken captive by the U.S illegally. So if it wishes to become a nation status again… if it so pleases… it will. Check your history… the U.S broke the law to take Texas. It was not a territory… it was a nation… and therefore legally could not take Texas. All Texas has to do is become the righteous nation that it once was and be blessed by Yahuweh… no man could stop it.

    • JimmyNeutron

      Texas petitioned the US to be admitted as a state I believe.

  • SpinMeNot

    Folks, I want to inject something here — I’m not raining on the parade but we need to make sure that everyone has the facts.

    There was time when Texas could secede, but that time is long passed. Basically, Mr. Lincoln’s War, the Civil War put a nail in the coffin of what had up to then been known as nullification. There is a short explanation of it here: http://mrkash.com/activities/nullification.html

    Without nullification, any such a move would have no basis in law. I’m about to say something that will probably disturb a few of you — but those that have seen my posts, will think “Spin’s concerned about disturbing people … somebody call the medics, he’s had that stroke …” No, I’ve discovered that not all of us are really who we say we are, so I’m going to walk a bit more carefully.

    Do we really want to stoop to the level of BHO, Holder, Prince Harry, Nitwit Nancy, and the rest of them. The law of the land is the law of the land. We have to respect it, even when it works against us. If we somehow manage to restore the concept of nullification to our political infrastructure, well, that could be a big of hurt as well.

    Lets keep making the gesture — let them know we are pissed. But the only way this is going to get any better, is for it to get a lot worse first. When the battle is over and the dust has cleared; we’ll the bury the patriots and start again.

    Stay focused, continue the mission.

    • SpinMeNot

      For the record, it is my habit to refer to the “American Civil War” as “Mr. Lincoln’s War, the Civil War” because war isn’t civil, and the fact that, states rights or not, people were being traded as cattle. All men, all women, all colors, all creeds. If you love liberty and freedom, well, you can’t own another human being

      Mr. Lincoln was justified in his course of action. My family wasn’t here then, but my family has a long history of bondage and oppression.

      • Lailah

        Actually, Spin, slavery was already on the way out. Whether Mr Lincoln was justified in his course of action or not, most of the people crying “States Rights” were NOT slaveholders. There were very few slaveholders in the old south. Most of the rebels were people who didn’t own slaves and simply didn’t want the damn Yankees telling them what to do.

      • Hiraghm

        It wasn’t a civil war, because it was a war between two sovereign nations. We typically label wars by the names of the countries were were fighting, such as Korea and Viet Nam. I therefore refer to it as “The Confederate War”.
        Lincoln had NO justification for his course of action. No precedence or legal justification. And the only bondage and oppression Lincoln was fighting for was the oppression and bondage of the southern States for their revenue.

        • SpinMeNot

          Since when has a President ever needed justification for an action? We elect them to lead. Leaders do things some people like — which by definition means that somebody isn’t going to like it.

          I really think you are over simplifying this one, but we shall have to agree to disagree. Maybe I’m a little sensitive to this issue. As a young man, I saw way too many “numbers” on the arms of my grandfather’s friends.

          And I do accept your point on the two sovereign nations. The southern states had the right to secede. I appreciate you making it.

        • SpinMeNot

          Oh and sorry, I failed to acknowledge, I agree with you he had no precedent or legal justification. This is a good point — because its the problem I have with BHO.

          Once the right has been taken only force of arms will bring it back. Nullification has been taken. You want to start the war to get it back. I’ll watch, cause you aren’t going to get far. Never start a battle you can’t win. We can’t win this one yet.

    • JimmyNeutron

      Without the threat of secession, there is absolutely no reason for the tenth amendment. The tenth gets shit on and ignored anyway, hence the movement. I appreciate your words a lot…but a key part of this is, at least for me, that I want nothing to do with a little over half the population that voted for this guy and his beliefs. And when I say “this guy”, I’m using Obama to personify the entire liberal/progressive movement. I’m not wanting to secede because of Obama so much as the willfully ignorant people that voted for him. How many of you felt sad when the big tsunami wiped out Thailand and such some years back? I did – felt bad for them…but it wasn’t like a “gut-punch” to me. Now, the Joplin tornado or a hurricane slamming into Louisiana or Texas – that’s like a gut-punch. I feel more than sad, I feel like brothers and sisters – people I have a kinship with – have been hurt. Oddly, when Sandy hit New York/New Jersey – I felt much like when the tsunami happened. I felt sad for them. What I didn’t feel was the “gut-punch” that you feel when people you feel kinship for get hurt. Now, that wasn’t the case with 9-11…but we weren’t as polarized then. Time to part ways.

      • SpinMeNot

        I’m all ears — how is the 10th Amendment useless without the threat of secession. And for the record, I think I’d like to hear your reasoning. I would also point out the the concept of nullification was in place when the 10th Amendment was added. This goes back to a comment I made in another thread. I’ll repeat it here — Judicial Activism and our own tinkering with it, in accordance with the rules it has established, has, if you will excuse me, nullified the intent of the men that framed it.

        Sometimes it is just best to not meddle with stuff done by men way smarter than most.

        • JimmyNeutron

          Simply meaning that the Tenth Amendment, without the implied threat of “we’ll walk” doesn’t really have teeth. Nullification has never been upheld and the Supremacy Clause makes it “null” so I ask you – what good is the tenth amendment with no supremacy clause or threat of secession to back it up? The feds are unchecked…yet another reason to secede.

    • Hiraghm

      If your opponent is fighting dirty, and you insist upon following Marquis of Queensbury, you’re gonna lose and go home with sore nuts. Being wrong twice doesn’t make one right; the progressives were wrong to prevent the Confederacy from forming and existing separate from the Union, they’ll be wrong again to stop States from seceding from this voluntary union of republics.

      Either the Founding Fathers were right in the DoI of declaring peoples’ right to separate from despotic governments which they found harmful to themselves, or they were wrong. If they were right, States have the right to separate from the U.S. every bit as much as the colonies had the right to separate from England. And if States don’t have the right to leave the Union, then the Founding Fathers were in the wrong for rebelling against the crown.

      • SpinMeNot

        When it comes to physical blows, I’m right there with you; when it hits the fan, there aren’t going to be any ROE. I’m a big critic of BHO, Holder, et al and their lack of basic understanding and respect for the Constitution and Constitutional Law. I can’t say one thing about them, without saying what I said.

        If secession of states becomes the course of action, I’ll be on the lines, if they’ll have me.

  • http://twitter.com/WilloughbyAnnie Annie Willoughby

    It’s the same as it was the last time. It’s about freedom and economics but they scream rascism.

  • aragona

    I am not for secession. What I am for is a group of states coming together and invoking the tenth amendment then refusing to give the feds another dime toward unconstitutional mandates and programs, our allies them into their states. Worst case scenario the fed cuts the states off and the states keep the money they collect from their citizens and fill those voids themselves. They would almost certainly have more money and can better serve their populations any way..

    • Hiraghm

      The problem I have is that most people stop reading the 10th Amendment halfway through, and just exchange the yoke of federal gov’t with the yoke of State gov’t.

  • Liberty

    Uh, why would you petition the White House in order to secede? Why ask for permission of the federal government? Seems like everyone should be asking their state legislatures.

  • Moejoe

    I’m a proud Texan and a conservative. Unfortunately, Texas can only secede if it’s split into 16 separate states. That’s the only detail I have off the top of my head…but it isn’t as easy as staying one state with lots of roads and cities…BOO!

    • Hiraghm

      Read the Declaration of Independence. The Founding Fathers asserted that people have a right to separate from their existing gov’t and seek new guards for their future security.

  • ERMERGERD

    I don’t want anyone to leave. I just want people to stop being stupid.

  • Joe Smith

    this is exactly what obama wants a divided class and civil war but he wants to get all our guns first so he can just control us and arrest people and make them dissapear

  • Hiraghm

    If Texas secedes, I almost certainly move there.

  • katzkiner

    It will become obvious in the next few weeks the USA looking is toast. Obamacare will never happen. because we simply can’t afford it. The states are running for the exits because Obama spend all the money in the first term. When the Fed stops QE we are broke.

  • Peyton

    First, as being someone from Texas, no we aren’t going to succeed, but a lot of people take great joy in the fact that we’d make a pretty awesome country. Secondly, see how fast America goes down hill if the Gulf Coast states succeed. We’re sitting on most of the oil.

    • blhjr

      mexico will just invade and take texas back anyway.how are you going to defend texas with no tanks or jets or any other govt owned military equipment?

      • Peyton

        Dude, we’re not seceding. But I think we’d make it anyways.

  • TJCrane_NCC1701

    Oh please let IL secede too ! Only corrupt Chicago and corrupt Crook County (because Chicago is in the county) want liberal BS ! Almost all of the rest of the state is RED.

    Cook Co. should be designated as the state of Chicago. AKA the state of confusion !

    MORONS !

    • Danny Meeker

      This is true. After high school, I left the People’s Democratic Republic of Chicago for a reason — if it ain’t Chicago, it don’t matter. The rest of the state of Illinois is a wasteland.

  • http://www.facebook.com/rafael.penariosribero Rafael Eduardo Peña-Rios Riber

    secesion is still very radical for my taste.
    things will go down and the smoke-screen wont be able to shield all of it.
    you are not yet in venezuela guys, you’ll get out of it

  • http://twitter.com/redsoxunixgeek Smitty 

    God you people are horrible losers “Voter Fraud” and “People who want free Stuff” when a Democrat wins. But Judicial Activism by the SCOTUS, and allowing the GOP to suppress votes in Ohio and Florida is A-OK as long as it favors you.

    Here is an Idea. Shut your holes, The Country is not gone, the World is not coming to an end (any more so than the Garden of Eden and Jesus’ return is in the middle of bum-fuck Missouri) , Socialism isn’t coming to America. The Economy that the GOP helped to crash is improving, and good lord, people having healthcare drives the cost down, it isn’t going to make your life a living hell. Show me one country who has a medical system as moronic as ours. (Hint: There isn’t one). Even your beloved country of Israel has UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE. (That is subsidized by the United States)

    BOTH Parties have contributed to this issue, but y’all still are dumb enough to play into a two party system – Here is a tip: NEITHER PARTY CARES ABOUT YOU. If they did, you retards would vote all of them out and start over, but we all know thats not going to happen any more than 20 states breaking away from the Union (Which FYI: Is Illegal and would not be allowed without a War)

    Look at the Civil War, it decimated the south, to the point where the Union had to come in and rebuild it.

    • Liberal Hater

      Dear lord you got beat rather hard by the stupid stick I see. Maybe be seen for that?

  • alvin691

    Just like birtherism was started by angry clinton democrats

  • notkidding

    all you people that think this is stupid are haters of white people, talk about reverse discrimination

  • Rodney Brungardt

    I am all for it. I would pack up and head for Texas tonight.

  • Christie Finn

    There actually is a great divide in our country though if you look at the electoral map. Most people live in highly populated urban areas vote blue, while people in less populated more rural areas whose land produces the great wealth of this country through the hands and hearts of the people are the ones who want to continue to protect their property and prosperity. This is not about race; it is about the right to own property and make a living from what you produce.

  • http://www.facebook.com/ben.monroe.927 Ben Monroe

    Come on, these calls for secession are just as idiotic as the tidal wave of Liberals who swore they’d flee the country if Romney won. I agree with the above tweet about it just being a way of giving up. It’s stupid and childish. Fight for your country, don’t flee from it. Furthermore, I’m tired of hearing the promises from people every four years that they will leave the country if X candidate wins the election. No, you won’t. So shut up.

  • Cathy Moore Pritchett

    Texas has been wanting to leave since Obama took office the first time. We know what is about to happen to citizens Obama. I think it’s great!! We don’t need the north to survive, they need us!

    • Michael Morris

      That was true the last time Texas seceded. It’s why the “Civil” War happened. They would be ruined without us to leech off of.

  • http://www.facebook.com/RAIDERSFOREVER Carlos Molina

    Im not a cracker. And Im all for the states who want to secede to do so. Start another Federation. The United States is a “Federation” of United States. As it would be if certain Contiguous States can form after they secede from the Socialist Muslim States of Obama.

  • notkidding

    the states are doing this because Obama is taking over control of the people. He will be the worst president in history, it is going to get a lot worse.

  • News Reporter

    I am 100% prepared to live in an underground economy in liberal Minnesota. Tired of a vast majority of my income going to taxes; federal, state, county. I deal in real equipment used in manufacturing. I have to tell customers I am sold out so I don’t go into a bankrupting tax bracket. I am prepared to barter a lot of valuable stuff. We were warned when Obama took office in 2004. Can’t move because I am a conservative who takes care of his elderly mother. I don’t dump her on the taxpayers. I’ve got my guns. I’ve got my ammo. I’ve got my year plus supply of long term food storage. I am going to shoot anyone coming to my door looking for food or assistance. Only a liberal would look for a handout during a collapse.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JZ5HL6SGXRWK24JHDOPZ7FINS4 Zimriel

    I see that one of the detractors has the name “ProBlackNationalism”, and he’s complaining about “racism”. Since he doesn’t see black nationalism as racist, I am happy to declare myself Pro-White-Nationalism. Hail the Dawn!

    (And, yes, as the Semitic screenname implies, I am part Jewish. I just don’t care anymore.)

  • Beth Larsen

    I absolutely understand why people want to secede. Let the liberals learn their lessons the hard way if they must, and the rest of us can learn from history.

  • Mary Schmelhaus

    So, If anybody needs to grow up, it is the White House. Passing laws that no congressman or Senator bothers to read. What happen to all this transparency, it sure is crystal clear, everything has been muddy up. Everybody needs to ask WHY? What is their ultimate goal? Higher taxes, means lower wages, higher fuel cost, people wanting more aide from the government. Now it will become a Nanny state. Did you ever see the hidden camera where the Nanny become mean to the children, because they are tired of their whining and crying. We have no one to blame but ourselves for not researching and doing our homework on our elected officials.

  • TTori

    Please if Texas secedes which we have hoped for years 50 at the least. Please don’t come here with lib ideas because we will make sure it never works for them. We have the people ready to take up the slack. Heck he even have our own Defense. The TEXAS RANGERS and they be mean dudes.

    • Hiraghm

      Remember the motto… “One riot… one Ranger”.

  • TTori

    TEXAS would protect our borders!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and would do it right.

  • http://www.facebook.com/dkkellen Diane Kreyer

    I am in total agreement that any state that desires to secede from the union should, especially in light of the economic and political climate of our leaders.

  • Amanda Belge

    Texas can support itself and most of the states that want to secede. The BIG welfare states of CA, NY&NJ on the other hand will have their taxes raised and raised. They asked for it. They voted for Obama.

  • http://www.facebook.com/RuthlessReapersRC Mark Holmes

    Declaration of the Immediate Causes Which Induce and Justify the Secession of South Carolina from the Federal Union in the Year of Our Lord 2012.

    The people of the State of South Carolina declare that the frequent violations of the Constitution of the United States, by the Federal Government, and its encroachments upon the reserved rights of the States, fully justified this State in withdrawing from the Federal Union; but in deference to the opinions and wishes of the other States, up until this time, the State of South Carolina has deferred action to exercise this right. Since these encroachments have continued to increase, and further forbearance ceases to bea virtue.

    Now the State of South Carolina having requested to be allowed to peaceably withdraw from the United States of America and resumed her separate and equal place among nations deems it due to herself, to the remaining United States of America, and to the nations of the world, that she should declare the immediate causes which have led to this act.

    In the year 1765, that portion of the British Empire embracing Great Britain, undertook to make laws for the government of that portion composed of the thirteen American Colonies. A struggle for the right of self-government ensued, which resulted, on the 4th of July, 1776, in a Declaration, by the Colonies, “that they are, and of right ought to be, FREE AND INDEPENDENT STATES; and that, as free and independent States, they have full power to levy war, conclude peace, contract alliances, establish
    commerce, and to do all other acts and things which independent States may of
    right do.”

    They further solemnly declared that whenever any “form of government becomes destructive of the ends for which it was established; it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it, and to institute a new government.” Deeming the Government of Great Britain to have become destructive of these ends, they declared that the Colonies “are absolved from all allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection
    between them and the State of Great Britain is, and ought to be, totally dissolved.”

    In pursuance of this Declaration of Independence, each of the original thirteen States proceeded to exercise its separate sovereignty; adopted for itself a Constitution, and appointed officers for the administration of government in all its departments– Legislative, Executive and Judicial. For purposes of defense, they united their arms and their counsels; and, in 1778, they entered into a League known as the Articles of
    Confederation, whereby they agreed to entrust the administration of their external relations to a common agent, known as the Congress of the United States, expressly declaring, in the first Article “that each State retains its sovereignty, freedom and independence, and every power, jurisdiction and right which is not, by this Confederation, expressly delegated to the United States in Congress assembled.”

    Under this Confederation the war of the Revolution was carried on, and on the 3rd of September, 1783, the contest ended, and a definite Treaty was signed by Great Britain, in which she acknowledged the independence of the Colonies in the following terms: “ARTICLE 1– His Britannic Majesty acknowledges the said United States: New Hampshire, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, Connecticut, New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Delaware, Maryland, Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina and Georgia, to be FREE, SOVEREIGN AND INDEPENDENT STATES; that he treats with them as such; and for himself, his heirs and successors, relinquishes all claims to the
    government, propriety and territorial rights of the same and every part thereof.”

    Thus were established the two great principles asserted by the Colonies, namely: the right of a State to govern itself; and the right of a people to abolish a Government when it becomes destructive of the ends for which it was instituted. And concurrent with the establishment of these principles, was the fact, that each Colony became and was recognized by the mother Country a FREE, SOVEREIGN AND INDEPENDENT STATE.

    In 1787, Deputies were appointed by the States to revise the Articles of Confederation, and on 17th September, 1787, these Deputies recommended for the adoption of the States, the Articles of Union, known as the Constitution of the United States.

    The parties to whom this Constitution was submitted, were the several sovereign States; they were to agree or disagree, and when nine of them agreed the compact was to take effect among those concurring; and the General Government, as the common agent, was then invested with their authority.

    If only nine of the thirteen States had concurred, the other four would have remained as they then were– separate, sovereign States, independent of any of the provisions of the Constitution. In fact, two of the States did not accede to the Constitution until long after it had gone into operation among the other eleven; and during that interval, they each exercised the functions of an independent nation.

    By this Constitution, certain duties were imposed upon the several States, and the exercise of certain of their powers was restrained, which necessarily implied their continued existence as sovereign States. But to remove all doubt, an amendment was added, which declared that the powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States, respectively, or to the people. On the 23d May,1788, South Carolina, by a Convention of her People, passed an Ordinance assenting to this Constitution, and afterwards altered her own Constitution, to conform herself to the obligations she had undertaken.

    Thus was established, by compact between the States, a Government with definite objects and powers, limited to the express words of the grant. This limitation left the whole remaining mass of power subject to the clause reserving it to the States or to the people, and rendered unnecessary any specification of reserved rights.

    We hold that the Government thus established is subject to the two great principles asserted in the Declaration of Independence; and we hold further, that the mode of its formation subjects it to a third fundamental principle, namely: the law of compact. We maintain that in every compact between two or more parties, the obligation is mutual; that the failure of one of the contracting parties to perform a material part of the agreement, entirely releases the obligation of the other; and that where no arbiter is
    provided, each party is remitted to his own judgment to determine the fact of failure, with all its consequences.

    In the present case, that fact is established with certainty. We assert that the current President of the United States, the United States Senate, the United States House of Representatives, and all Departments, Agencies, and representatives of the United States of America have deliberately refused to fulfill their constitutional obligations, and we refer to their own Statutes for the proof.

    The President of the United States Barack Hussein Obama, the Senate of the United States, the House of Representatives of the United States, the Supreme Court of the United States, and other Departments, Agencies, and representatives of the General Government of the United States, as the common agent, passed laws to carry into effect stipulations upon the sovereign States. For many years these laws have executed. But an increasing hostility on the part of the government of the United States has led to a disregard of its obligations, and the laws of the General Government have ceased to effect the objects of the Constitution. The President of the United States, the Senate of the United States, the House of Representatives of the United States, and the Supreme Court of the United States, have enacted or ruled Constitutional, laws which either nullify the Acts of Congress or render
    useless any attempt to execute them. Thus the constituted compact has been
    deliberately broken and disregarded by the United States, and the consequence
    follows that South Carolina is released from her obligation.

    The ends for which the Constitution was framed are declared by itself to be “to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity.” These ends it endeavored to accomplish by a Federal Government, in which each State was recognized as an equal, and had separate control over its own institutions.

    We affirm that these ends for which this Government was instituted have been defeated, and the Government itself has been made destructive of them by the action of the Government.

    This agitation has been steadily increasing, until it has now secured to its aid the power of the common Government. Observing the forms of the Constitution, a sectional party has found within that Article establishing the Executive Department, the means of subverting the Constitution itself. A geographical distinction has been drawn across the Union, and certain States have united in the election of a man to the high office of President of the United States, whose opinions and purposes are hostile to the remaining States within the Union.

    This sectional combination for the submersion of the Constitution, has been aided in some of the States by elevating to citizenship, persons who, by the supreme law of the land, are incapable or ineligible of becoming citizens; and their votes have been used to inaugurate new policies,hostile to the remaining States, and destructive of its beliefs and safety.

    The guaranties of the Constitution no longer exist; the equal rights of the States have been lost. The States no longer have the power of self-government, or self-protection, and the Federal Government has become their enemy. Sectional interest and animosity will deepen the irritation, and all hope of remedy is rendered vain, by the fact that public opinion has invested a great political error with the sanction of more erroneous religious belief.

    We, therefore, the People of South Carolina, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, have solemnly declared that the Union heretofore existing between this State and the other States of North America, is dissolved, and that the State of South Carolina has resumed her position among the nations of the world, as a separate and independent State; with full power to levy war, conclude peace, contract alliances, establish commerce, and to do all other acts and things which independent States may of right do.

    Proposed 07 November 2012

  • http://www.facebook.com/tat2myk420 Michael Rodriguez

    Personally, I feel as if we are already split amongst ourselves. Everyone is looking to blame it on someone, bubyoure ignoring the true problem at hand. And that’s the violation of our constitutionand civil liberties as well as rights, that good men and women have died to protect. And you’re willing to just call them collateral damage. What’s that say about the men and women who are serving this country now? You need to look at the big pic. Secessionists a means to protect each individual state on a smaller level that’s more manageable. Obama obviously has no experience, and Romney was on another planet. As long as you allow yourself to become disgraced by the mundane issues, you’ll never see the big pic. History repeats itself. If yore too dumb to see the signs, tour too dumb to survive

    • Hiraghm

      If you want the Constitution obeyed, begin with Article 2, section 1, clause 5.

  • jojo196323

    washington ist taking everyones money and they cant function as a state texas can and will if we have to fight to do it as i know alot people that will move to texas if they seseed

  • Benjamin N Thurber

    Isn’t it interesting how the ones who proclaim how wonderful, how great the government is going and how they are so tolerant are barking such words as “stupid rednecks” and “can’t even trust ’em,” just like I expect from any liberal idiot who is facing the opposition of their often swayed, often biased opinions. We want to leave, plain and simple, because we’re sick of double-talking, bias mongering haters.

  • https://twitter.com/AlessaRosewater Maria

    Oh no, we shouldn’t secede, we should fight for what we believe in. It has nothing to do with race like the majority of uneducated racist Liberals like @HASHedout, @mspammajamma, @mspencer98, for example, think. It has to do with our liberties and rights being dashed and spit upon. Grow up you indignant little racist children!

  • http://twitter.com/LadyLiberty1885 LL1885

    Sounds like some states want to go Galt.

    • Hiraghm

      Once they introduce the real-world equivalent of Directive 10-289 (which they will with all the layoffs and hiring freezes), there’ll be nothing else to do.

  • http://www.facebook.com/rob.phelps.ind Robert Phelps

    I signed the petition for my state of Missouri. If Texas was to secede, I would be one of their first immigrants.

    • louisiana_mom

      I signed the petition for the state of Louisiana… Last time I looked La was almost to 12,000 signatures, we need 25,000 by Dec. 7.

  • Rickey Douglas Love

    Obama did not win in Texas !

    • Hiraghm

      For the 2nd time in a row, every county in Oklahoma went for the Republican candidate for President.

  • Sunni

    It would be great to leave a communist country…the rest of the states that join together will do fine and then we can send all the welfare to you lib lovers!!!! And since you stupid ass can take care of them, and I guess we get the flag…sounds great to me!!!

  • WVS

    Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

    • Bob Khan

      Got to love the Declaration of Independence. Perhaps what folks need is a good old fashioned Revolution instead of secession. Washington, Franklin, Jefferson, Hancock and the rest of the Founding Fathers would be proud.

      I’m still interested to see what the White House has to say about all of the layoffs that are going on. There already is A LOT of angry citizens in this country and there is getting ready to be many more very soon. This won’t be a good holiday season for D.C.

      • Hiraghm

        Any States try to secede… there will be a war. Especially a plum like Baja Oklahoma (What y’all are misnaming “Texas” 😀 )

  • dunst43

    A new United States of North America. Western Canada [oil sands] is ripe for the taking. Ontario [mega money] would consider.

  • Dwayne Bearup

    There are currently 19 states with secession petitions: https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petitions

    Some states have multiple petitions, but the total signatures for all 19 states are 74,101. Each petition requires 25,000 signatures to be taken seriously by the White House, so get out there and get those signatures, folks. Oh, and if your state isn’t represented already, start a petition of your own… let’s see if we can get it up to 50 states.

    • http://www.facebook.com/RuthlessReapersRC Mark Holmes

      We don’t wan’t all 50 states, Dwayne…Just the red ones for now…Let the blues ones have their messiah so they can suffer and see what they are responsible for…

      • louisiana_mom

        New York, New Jersey, and Oregon have petitions to secede also… because the US is not going full fledge Communist fast enough for them… Even living through the hell of the Sandy response has not taught these people that more government is the enemy… there is absolutely no hope for them.

        • Joshua Johnson

          I think you are forgetting that each state has a resident “red” population. I grew up in Maine and I still have a lot of family there and I know they all voted for Romney. So I figure that it was some of these that started the petitions

  • Game Over

    Unbelievable that there are people that still believe the civil war was about slavery.

    Does no one read anymore?

    • Liberal Hater

      Short answer: no.

  • orringtonmom (D)

    it isn’t hate of country that drives people to do this, it is love of country.

    and for the idiot that said that the Civil War was fought over slavery needs read a book. the issue was states rights, and right now states rights are being trampled through mandated healthcare.

    how does that saying go? those who don’t know history are destined to repeat it…

    gosh, it must be so hard to be that great unifying president when half the country won’t roll over for you.

    • Hiraghm

      The Confederate War, like most wars, was about money and power. Power over money and people.

    • AjaxJ

      As a servicemember of 22 years, I have had the opportunity to visit several countries. One thing that is an embarassment is that our country does not have a universal health system. We were ranked 38th among developed countries. Get over the bigotry as this healthcare is a very good thing for America…. It may need some changes as we go forward, but it is a good thing.

      • orringtonmom (D)

        with all sincerity, i thank you for your service.

        but you embarrass way too easy. how you must have blushed as the civilians being treated by our military medical personnel laughed at our lack of universal healthcare… you know, while we treated them.

        i was talking about state sovereignty, though… if you want to equate the abolition of slavery to a federal tax for healthcare… apples and oranges. one gave freedom and the other takes it.

        i assume you think my opinion is bigoted because i’m not as well traveled as you. that’s a false assumption on your part. who’s the bigot?

        anyway…

      • mike_in_kosovo

        As someone who has spent the last 28 years either in the military or supporting the military in those same countries, you’re full of it.

      • mike_in_kosovo

        As someone who has spent the last 28 years either in the military or supporting the military in those same countries, you’re full of it.

      • orringtonmom (D)

        thank you for your service.

        but you embarrass too easily. how you must have blushed when civilians were being treated by our military medical personnel while mocking our lack of socialized medicine. and i’m trying to figure out if you think my opinion is bigoted because it is not the same as yours or if it’s because you assume i’m not a world traveler. i’ve lived abroad as well. so…. yeah.

        but the topic is state secession. and the difference between the abolition of slavery and obamacare is that the former gave freedom to individuals and the latter takes it away.

  • rbtpowell

    I heard a great analogy, let the libs pick which side of the country they want, then build a wall to separate it, and see how long it takes for them to start entering the right half, illegally.

  • Purple State

    “It might surprise some of the “sore loser” crowd to learn that many conservatives are not on board with the idea of secession at all, even at the “let’s start an online petition” stage.”

    Actually the lesson here is that neither conservatives nor liberals think or behave as a single entity. There is no single liberal response to the idea of conservatives wishing to secede, just as not every conservative wishes to secede as a response to the president’s re-election. (As this article very carefully points out.) The sooner we recognize that all of us together represent a complex set of values, the sooner we begin to work beyond the division between parties/ideologies.

    • Hiraghm

      Some of those “complex set of values” are in absolute contradiction of one-another, for which there can be no compromise.
      For example, the left will not, absolutely will not acknowledge that an unborn child is a human being. They will always maintain that at some point it somehow is not human.
      Another example is the role of government. The left thinks of it as an authoritarian parent looking out for flawed, helplessly child like and dependent children. The right takes the traditionally American view that individuals are autonomous, that the gov’t exists to only do those things which must be accomplished and cannot be accomplished any other way. One side views gov’t as a parent, the other views gov’t as an untrustworthy servant.

      One side views Christianity as the ultimate threat to freedom, the other side recognizes Islam and socialism as the ultimate threats to freedom.

      You can’t reconcile these differing sets of values.

      • Purple State

        This is what I’m talking about. It’s not that simple. Let’s take the social issues for instance. Not all “on the left” are pro-choice. Not all “on the right” are anti-abortion. Even within that single issue, there’s a lot of variation of opinions about exceptions, permission and age-eligibility, and timing during the pregnancy. Similarly, there are Christian Democrats and atheist Republicans. Sites like this thrive off the idea that it’s us vs. them, that everything is as simple as you are wrong and I am right. They are invested in that division — let’s put them out of business by recognizing the full spectrum of values. Which doesn’t mean giving in on everything either.

  • Cindi Taylor

    Unfortunately,the WH will laugh at these petitions or have the heads chopped off of all who signed them.

    • Bob Khan

      Aye, Texas got hit pretty hard when we tried to secede back in 2009.

  • Purple State

    According to Scalia, states don’t even have the right to secede. http://news.discovery.com/human/arizona-immigration-secession-120628.html

    • Hiraghm

      Scalia’s wrong.

  • http://twitter.com/recklessapathy verra keyne

    Time to stop acting like this could never happen. There’s a lot of things happening this year, this month, this week – that are shocking (well to me, anyhow). The United States of America is Divided. Voter fraud. People being stoned to death, wives and daughters being beaten and mutilated for daring to act like people. Banning Christmas trees because it’s offensive…what? The knowledge of all these things happening, and nothing being done! People, this is CRAZY, and it’s happening right now! I support the right of individuals of like mind and values to band together and forge a future and a system that works for them, as long as they remain civil to the world. I believe nothing is ever free, everything has a cost. Those that don’t believe in working to make a living have no place telling anyone else ANYTHING.

    • smiley_t

      I agree. Perhaps it is something we need to strongly consider. I think more people are thinking about it than you realize.

  • Rick20033

    Withdrawing from the United States is the ultimate “John Galt” move and I’m all for it. It won’t happen, but I wish it would. I’d move to such a state tomorrow (and so would most businesses). Imagine a country where the people get to decide how they lived and what was right and wrong. That would be…well, just like the USA was until about 100 years ago.

  • James Acre

    It is not necessarily about secession… it is about States Rights and the Constitution. If the federal government and the president will not up-hold the Constitution, then secession is one form of protest against a government that is not doing there sworn duty. It has me thinking of moving to Texas! Citizens can vote with their feet as well as their ballots if the States Rights are upheld. Those who want to be controlled by the nanny state can move also… to CA, NY, IL, …. Votes by ballots can easily be corrupted… votes by feet are easily counted.

    • Hiraghm

      Citizens can vote with there feet for now… until Directive 10-289 is put into effect.

  • MuffinDoggy

    Secession would be a good thing. It would show Obama’s people that we don’t need them and can do just fine without the government invading our lives. What would be better is if the Liberals would leave the country and let us take back our constitution

  • carlton goodson

    it’s not that the man is black. the fact is the man is a lier he bow’s to islam and this is the actions of slaves it is time the strong stand up! slavery for no man!

  • ImYer Huckleberry

    Just Do It !! ~ The people have had enough and this is the one way to show the dictator in chief we mean business!!
    https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/peacefully-grant-state-texas-withdraw-united-states-america-and-create-its-own-new-government/BmdWCP8B

  • Timothy Noonan

    Secession? Those citizens are sad quitters on America and if they do not like who is leading our country then THEY can leave if they do not want to be part of the solution – we do not need their precipitate.

    • Michael Anderson

      The founders recognized that the government would eventually require enough change that the vote would not accomplish it. Peaceful secession is a way to accomplish that change without the shedding of blood.
      Those advocating secession must understand that it quite possibly won’t be peaceful.

  • Michael Rice

    Unemployment is soaring. The debt is mounting even more. Our defense is a joke. On and on and on. Yea, bit it is because he is black and we are redneck crackers. Racist much?
    By the way, most of the people in favor of splitting, don’t watch Jersey Shore, moron.

  • Michael Rice

    Giving up? No, More like sick of all this crap.
    Grow up? Do you mean like the liberals in 2000 election or the ones who still blame Bush? how about the ones who cling to teh Libya video story? The one who promised a slash defecit and improve dMuslim relations alogn with cut unemployment? How about the one whowon’t release his college transcripts? The oens who called ROmey’s charitabl donations “not real charity”….
    Heck, texas has become part of Mexico already.,,.

  • danna cu

    And the civl war begins. A college student recently posted this letter with a great idea for dividing the US;

    Here is a our separation agreement:

    –Our two groups can equitably divide up the country by landmass each taking a similar portion. That will be the difficult part, but I am sure our two sides can come to a friendly agreement. After that, it should be relatively easy! Our respective representatives can effortlessly divide other assets since both sides have such distinct and disparate tastes.

    –We don’t like redistributive taxes so you can keep them.

    –You are welcome to the liberal judges and the ACLU.

    –Since you hate guns and war, we’ll take our firearms, the cops, the NRA and the military.

    –We’ll take the nasty, smelly oil industry and the coal mines, and you can go with wind, solar and biodiesel.

    –You can keep Oprah, Michael Moore and Rosie O’Donnell. You are, however, responsible for finding a bio-diesel vehicle big enough to move all three of them.

    –We’ll keep capitalism, greedy corporations, pharmaceutical companies, Wal-Mart and Wall Street.

    –You can have your beloved lifelong welfare dwellers, food stamps, homeless, homeboys, hippies, druggies and illegal aliens.

    –We’ll keep the hot Alaskan hockey moms, greedy CEO’s and rednecks.

    –We’ll keep Bill O’Reilly and Bibles, and give you NBC and Hollywood .

    –You can make nice with Iran and Palestine and we’ll retain the right to invade and hammer places that threaten us.

    –You can have the peaceniks and war protesters. When our allies or our way of life are under assault, we’ll help provide them security.

    –We’ll keep our Judeo-Christian values.

    –You are welcome to Islam, Scientology, Humanism, political correctness and Shirley McClain. You can also have the U.N. but we will no longer be paying the bill.

    –We’ll keep the SUV’s, pickup trucks and oversized luxury cars. You can take every Volt and Leaf you can find.

    –You can give everyone healthcare if you can find any practicing doctors.

    –We’ll continue to believe healthcare is a luxury and not a right.

    –We’ll keep “The Battle Hymn of the Republic” and “The National Anthem.”

    –I’m sure you’ll be happy to substitute “Imagine”, “I’d Like to Teach the World to Sing”, “Kum Ba Ya” or “We Are the World”.

    –We’ll practice trickle-down economics and you can continue to give trickle up poverty your best shot.

    –Since it often so offends you, we’ll keep our history, our name and our flag.

    Would you agree to this? If so, please pass it along to other like-minded liberal and conservative patriots and if you do not agree, just hit delete. In the spirit of friendly parting, I’ll bet you might think about which one of us will need whose help in 15 years.

    Sincerely,
    John J. Wall
    Law Student and an America

    P.S. Also, please take Ted Turner, Sean Penn, Martin & Charlie Sheen, Barbara Streisand, & ( Hanoi ) Jane Fonda with you.

    P.P.S. And you won’t have to press 1 for English when you call our country.

    • Hiraghm

      That’ll do, except they get custody of Bill O’Really and the Battle Hymn of the Oppressive Authoritarian Government. I’d rather have “God Bless the USA”.

    • PartySnobz

      So friggin awesome! I had to share!

  • http://www.facebook.com/robertleachcustomuph Robert Leach Jr.

    Hope everyone enjoys thier, three part time jobs .bahahaha

  • Free2Ride

    I’m a Virginian,who is thinking very strongly of voting with my feet,in other words moving to a red state until Virginia see’s the error of their ways. As for Texas secession they don’t need to ask permission they were their own country before and my understanding is it is written into their Constitution that Texas could/ can vote whether they wish to stay in the union or return to their own nation! I would much rather move now rather than let some Fed. move me into a FEMA camp!

    • http://www.facebook.com/paul.b.shelley Paul B Shelley

      I did, I lived in California. When I was told there were no more jobs for teachers, I say again, no more jobs for teachers, I left for Tennessee. Good things and bad about it, if you move I would look into Texas, low taxes and better unemployment rates (6.9% I think).

      The voting was the same way that Puerto Rico could vote to be an independent country, become a state or remain as it is. Since Texas became a state before the civil war its obvious that it did not retain the right to separate as many people falsely believe. Though if there was one state that could do it successfully it would be Texas.

      I am surprised no one has brought this up, but by signing the petition you are literally signing your own arrest warrant. I believe it’s treason to plot the over throw of the United States government which this is (In that its designed to break up the government). I would take that into consideration before you sign these petitions.

      • Hiraghm

        The right to separate cannot be surrendered, or more accurately, taken from a people.

        The Confederate War did NOT abrogate the validity of the Declaration of Independence.

      • Maria Seeger

        I was fully aware of that when I signed the petition. I’m aware that the Obama administration keeps track of petitions. But I think it’s worth taking the risk, and it should send a clear signal to President Obama that, just because he won the election, by whatever means, he doesn’t have the mandate he thinks he has. It would not surprise me a bit though, if certain elements of the Democratic party didn’t start doing the same things that they accused the Bush Administration of wanting to do: setting up a secret police and establishing re-education camps for one. There are already rumors going around that the Current Administration has arms and ammunition stashed away in various places around the country.

  • Kathy

    I can understand why these states would file for secession. Everyone says all politicians lie, but this is ridiculous!! If people cannot see how this election was dishonestly run and the American people lied to, then they deserve what they get, but all of us shouldn’t have to lose our freedoms because of cheaters!!!

  • truxillo

    All you people who call us sore losers because we won’t stand for what the U.S. has become ought to be ashamed of yourselves for lying down and taking whatever tyranny is being pushed upon you. You should be ashamed of yourself for being OK with your liberties being stripped from you one by one. That’s right…we are sore, but we are by no means, losers…we are mad as hell and we are not going to take it anymore. We
    don’t like losing everything this country once stood for. People who liken losing something as important as your liberty, to a sporting event or a game by calling us sore losers, deserve what they surrender to. They are the real losers!!!

    The secession movement has legs. It’ been in the works for decades in Texas. Go here to check it out and if you are interested, volunteer or at least become a friend.

    http://www.texasnationalist.com/

    And here is some good reading about it too (free download):

    http://www.texasnationalist.com/line-in-the-sand.pdf

  • torpedoman2002

    Most of us Texans don’t want to leave. But if we can throw a signed petition with all the signatures on Obama’s desk, then maybe he will pull his head out of his liberal ass and start considering the other half of America he hates so much. If he ignores it and considers the election as an acceptance on the way he is leading (or not leading) this country then we can proceed. I understand the hardships of seceding, But I have no doubt that Texas can do it. We are already the 10th biggest economy in the world and we have a balanced budget. We are drawing a line in the sand in hopes some people will snap out of their entitlement dominated hallucinations and start considering the other half of the country that voted for responsibility.

  • vino veritas

    The end result of 4 years living in quasi-statist hell under the rule of
    the most anti-American & divisive ‘leader’ this country has ever
    seen has created these symbolic calls for secession but does anyone with
    half an ounce of common sense really think that this country will be
    able to go beyond another 2 yrs (much less 4) without starting to SERIOUSLY
    take the option under consideration, if 2014 is anything like this previous sham of an election? You are denying reality and fooling yourselves if you do.
    This is not going to stop here, just like the tea party movement didn’t
    stop when the know-nothing ivory tower intelligentsia elitists called it
    a ‘fad full of extremists’. It remains to be seen if this new
    revolution will continue to be fought in the digital, social &
    economic arenas of our society or explode into full blown physical
    rebellion.

  • Hiraghm

    “Citizens from nearly 20 states petition the White House to secede from United States”

    Boy, if we get enough petitions going… do you think the White House really will secede from the United States? That’d be so fantastic!

  • cajunsc

    Better than living under obama for 4 more years.

  • rant stocks

    When Obama starts fooling around with peoples food availabilty or the roof over there head then look out,all the shelters in the country can not handle the mass’s civil war !

  • Gina Loyd

    I
    see a lot of folks referring to secession as “giving up” and
    suggestions that I(and any one else who believes that we should secede)
    should “just move”. Well, here’s why. I OWN this land. Let that sink in.
    I will not move because this is my personal property, bought and paid
    for, worked for, and earned. As far as “giving up”, do you realize that
    Texas is one of the most financially stable states and a whole hell of a
    lot more financially responsible than the feds, and seceding is not
    “giving up”, but taking on the personal responsibility for our own, as
    opposed to climbing the old milk cow and latching on, like the states
    who don’t want to “give up” the endless supply of freebies from the
    feds. The only reason that the feds will stop us, is that without Texas,
    they will have to try to figure out how to replace the money that is no
    longer coming in.

  • http://twitter.com/dialville Elizabeth Burtch

    The White House will ignore the petitions like they have Libya. They think if they ignore the problem it will just go away. Washington believes people will just complain, debate and threaten the issues as in the past. So the real question is, when the people actually take action and demand the government work for the people.

  • Teresa Davis McCormick

    Can we sign these petitions if we are not in one of the states trying to secede? Sick of being in a swing state.

    • Community Voice

      Just start one for your own state. voila

  • matt

    Everyones blaming the race card and not the ‘ this country’s government is out of ttouch with the constitution and need to be resolved’ card.

  • http://www.facebook.com/faith.dunn2 Faith Dunn

    i think its a strong statement as to say we dont agree with our goverment..it is sad that this administration has divided instead of bring us together..yes i do blame obama and his people..the past year has gone to show how low they will go

  • Community Voice

    OMG, an actual fair and balance objective report showing both sides. I thought journalism was dead.

  • Community Voice

    I think its a little early for succession. See our forefathers, the geniuses they were, have put into place a mechanism to prevent the States with a large populace from dictating to States with a small one.
    It’s not easy but it is there. Its the Constitutional Convention. If 2/3rds of the States do not like the direction the Federal Government is leading us, they can vote for a Constitutional Convention, this circumvents the Federal Congress’ votes and authority. It allows the Constitution to be opened up so the State may yank back power from the Federal Government.
    Ironically, it takes 34 States, the GOP controls 33 of them now. One more State and the whole government could change if the people desire.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Thomas-Collins/100000220517250 Thomas Collins

      “Its the Constitutional Convention. If 2/3rds of the States…”

      2/3 to call a convention. 3/4 to get anything done. This means 38 states. Easier to secede. That just takes invoking the declaration of independence.

  • Silenttype78

    Ok, sounds like a “win-win”. We want to leave,and they want us gone.
    For the past 10 years red states have enjoyed an overwhelming influx of new businesses. Multi national corporations have chosen to set up shop in the red states because they have found them to be more business friendly,and have also offered a steady supply of skilled workers who aren’t unionized.

    This is not going to end. Red states are only going to continue attracting businesses.

    I enjoy laughing at people who look down at red states,particularly the southern red states. The people who toss out the ridiculous stereotypes and generalizations are so misguided. Allowing them to believe we are ignorant,and backwards is a pretty decent lib-prog repellent,which helps to keep our states red.

    • NCRelite

      The red states are attracticting businesses but also blue state locusts who will vote blue. Look at Virginia, Nevada, etc

      • Silenttype78

        Yeah, and we have to figure out how to curb this.
        One way is to continue to allow blue state lib-progs to spread the word that red state=stupid.
        Also, all red states must allow school choice and encourage a voucher system. We can’t kill the beast from the inside,we have to take the funding away on the outside.
        Public school=tool for teaching the virtues of socialism.
        Time to “state-up” and go after the source.

  • Community Voice

    If I may, the only thing that needs to be changed in the Constitution is the Interstate Commerce Clause. Take that power back from the Feds and they will be put in their place.

    • Hiraghm

      The commerce clause doesn’t need changed… SCOTUS needs to have its mind set right.

  • marcellucci

    Instead of splitting the country, why don’t we just split the tab…..
    If you voted Dem, you pay for entitlements and Regulators….
    We’ll cover the Defense…..

  • http://twitter.com/JeffreyWalther Jeffrey Walther

    Before we secede, let’s demand a recount. Alan West is already gaining votes with a recount, what are the odds that Romney can gain some back.

    http://www.petition2congress.com/8222/petition-recount-on-2012-presidential-election/

    This is a petition to congress to recount that already has 50000 signatures.

    http://www.ObamaVoterFraud.com/

    This site has examples of fraud and other petitions you can sign as well.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/7PBVAVGUBSIAJMGJTZAET7F47E Sara

    We should send all Republicans South and all Democrats North (or vice versa, really don’t care) and the Democrats can have Obama and the Republicans can have Romney and let’s see which side is successful and which side fails. I can promise it’d only be a matter of time before the Democrats would run out of money and be unable to live off of the government.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Thomas-Collins/100000220517250 Thomas Collins

    That whenever any Form of Government
    becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the
    People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government,
    laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its
    powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to
    effect their Safety and Happiness..

    …about 100 years late. Asking the leeches to start their own country is like asking the united auto workers to start their own car company. They’d rather bleed someone else’s.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/7PBVAVGUBSIAJMGJTZAET7F47E Sara

    I have an idea! How about we split and all of the Republicans head South and the Democrats head north (or vice versa, don’t really care). The Republicans will take Romney and the Democrats can have Obummer and let’s see which side is successful and which side fails. I can promise it’d only be a matter of time before the Democrats ran out of money from living off of the government.

  • $23629333

    Secession is a subject worthy of consideration. Nobody is suggesting that secession – by individual states or by a group of states planning to establish an independent nation together – would be a simple solution to today’s problems. Simply, proponents of secession have decided that the time, effort and money required to secede would be a better investment than what has been invested and will have to be invested to make the best of the mess that is American politics and governance today.

    Some people – such as yours truly – see America today as the Titanic after it hit the iceberg. At this point, it is no longer a question of WILL America sink, but simply WHEN. At this point, the best that can be done is to lower the lifeboats – the reddest states – and row them as far away from the sinking ship as possible. If that isn’t done, the lifeboats will go down too.

    With secession, a New America could be built which would be better – but significantly smaller – than what exists today, and considerably better than the America of tomorrow. Without secession, what’s the best that anyone – seriously – can look forward to in the future?

  • AjaxJ

    @VeganAri
    Look Ari…. I am a 46yo, White male veteran of 22 years and I live in Texas. This is the first I have heard of this BS and I have no intention of being a part of this “so-called” secession. I am sure this is a few bigots that have not arrived in the 21st Century. Believe me,… All Texans are not that stupid.

    • Hiraghm

      Why are they bigots?

      • mike_in_kosovo

        Because they don’t agree with him, of course.

      • mike_in_kosovo

        Because they don’t agree with him, of course.

  • tjp77

    Secession is the only answer now. If liberals want to build their authoritarian statist utopia, let them. I have no desire to be a part of it though.

    I’ve lived in NYC my entire life, but I will gladly move to Texas if this movement picks up momentum.

  • Michael Anderson

    Now it’s 20: South Dakota http://wh.gov/9ozz

  • HansMengis

    Politics have become extremely regional in nature and the ideologies involved have become incompatible. Our options are to either win nationally and then tie up the government with more constitutional amendments –or– we will have to split up.

  • Bob Khan

    22 now. Arizona and Oklahoma now have petitions.

    We might be seeing the birth of the Republic of America (a.k.a. Confederacy 2.0) if this continues to gain momentum. This time however, the South will be doing it for all the right reasons. Preservation of our right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness!

  • Nordey

    Let all 49 states succeed and form the New United States and leave Washington, DC to fend for itself! The National Debt and Obamacare eliminated at one time!!

  • http://twitter.com/GlenneOrgus Glenne Bannon

    The Tea Party is the bane of the Republican Party. Many men and one woman in my family has served in time of war. We all returned. Secession is an insult to those who didn’t. They died for one nation under God.

  • Blake

    It amazes me how everyone refers to the dislike of socialist commy Obaba, racist. I’d take.Herman Cane any day over Obama. Who’s really racist here?

  • Terry Murphy

    Awesome how these libtards clearly didn’t actually read the headline of the article. It said CITIZENS FROM nearly 20 states have written to petition, NOT the states themselves. Some of them even blamed the Tea Party for doing so, yet this never happened. Typical liberal BS. The more they pretend to sound intelligent and informed, the more their ignorance shows through. What will Obama do when all the businesses and producers that he drains to feed his “progressive” takers either close down or move away? Sooner rather than later, he will run of producers to steal from, soldiers to leave to die, and countries that will loan him more trillions. The gravy train will stop. His beloved Takers will be left without, as they cannot actually produce anything. His socialist utopia will come crashing down on the heads of those who voted (twice) for this pretender. They will rant and cry about it, but alas, they will have no rights left to do anything about it. Their military will have ceased to be a serious threat or deterent to the wolves circling along our coasts. China will want to be paid back on their loans. Perhaps Hawaii and Alaska will do for a down payment on those loans. Although it seems Russia already has a foothold on Alaska. We Conservatives will also be waiting in the wings, ready to return and take back what was stolen…like this last election. Give Liberals enough rope…….

  • Bob Khan

    Make that 23 states, new petition for Pennsylvania up at the WH site. Looks like the Amish are fed up too.

  • http://www.facebook.com/denise.mcpherson.16 Denise McPherson

    Let’s just lose the swing states. They can swing all by themselves.

  • Defender66

    We start a new country with American values, since America has gone to the majority moochers. America of the founding fathers is gone. I say we split the country down the middle. Those wanting freedom go to the south. The welfare class can go to the north. And if any freeloader from welfare land jumps our border we deport their ass back to the land of food ration lines, government housing and inferior medical care.

  • CainCan

    Sign me up for the exodus from tyranny! It’d be much nicer to only drive two hours and be “out” of the country with other Ex-Pat Americans, than to actually have to go somewhere and learn a new language. Yeah… also because other countries don’t have Press 1 for English phone systems.

  • Bob Khan

    Nevada is now #24 with a petition, Texas leading the way with nearly 39k signatures and leads all WH petitions.

  • http://twitter.com/amigorivas Juan Pablo Rivas

    I guess the blacks and hispanics that already live in texas are also welcomed in this iniciative

  • Bob Khan
  • American

    They want to bail out of their country while soldiers are still fighting for them overseas…..what a nice slap in the face for our troops. They (our Troops) are the ones who are going through hell for this country, and some people here want to abandon them while they are gone. Crazy stuff. What about all those in their state that don’t want to secede? Are they just going to throw them out of their state? What about the people on government aid in their states? What about the Red, White And Blue? Passports to move between the states? and if they don’t get what they want are they going to killing Americans in their own backyard? I really don’t think they have thought this through……

  • clocker1

    Do liberals want communism for the utopia of fairness for all, and truly believe that there is nothing bad in communism? Do they want to be like China, North Korea? Or do they want communism light as in Europe? Do they want to be like Greece, or Spain? Can they not see it doesn’t work, or are they so spoiled that they think what works no where else could work here because they want their cake and they want to eat it too?

    • Bob Khan

      We’ve failed our fellow Americans in not stressing the importance of the study of history and politics. We’ve also failed them in hiding that it is every American’s civil right to get involved with politics beyond the voting booth. Many people blinded by the MSM don’t realize that all American Citizens have the right to govern ourselves through representation. Government officials are supposed to take direction from us and not the other way around. If we manage to survive the next 4 years without economic collapse or civil war, we must reorganize the GOP during this time to reflect the Constitutional rights of the people, only then will we defeat the tyranny of the leftist socialists.

  • Bob Khan

    29 States with petitions and counting. Wyoming, Utah, California, Delaware and Ohio wishing to break off from the Union.

  • http://twitter.com/BrochSamson Broch Samson
  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Gerri-George/100000957431565 Gerri George

    you guys are PATHETIC. i WILL SIGN EVERY PETITION. YOU GROW UP. YOU CANT STEAL AN ELECTION AND GET AWAY WITH IT ANYMORE.

  • Bob Khan

    36 States with petitions. Apparently folks who signed these are going to get a response from the WH. I still have a sinking feeling that Obama will just laugh it off, much like Gov. Perry got treated back in 2009.

  • Bob Khan

    36 States with petitions. Apparently folks who signed these are going to get a response from the WH. I still have a sinking feeling that Obama will just laugh it off, much like Gov. Perry got treated back in 2009.

  • disqus_EUokocKJgj

    i think its important to point out that its not just conservative states that are signing petitions new york and new jersey both voted obama and they both have petitions for sucession.

  • disqus_EUokocKJgj

    i think its important to point out that its not just conservative states that are signing petitions new york and new jersey both voted obama and they both have petitions for sucession.

  • eillem123

    There won’t BE a United States of America with Obama continuing his reckless policies – which will become increasingly MORE reckless since he doesn’t have to worry about re-election this time. I hope every state that started a petition gets their 25,000 signatures and that all the other states initiate their own petitions too.

  • RotaryRunner

    We in Red States are tired of footing the bill for Obama phones, institutional welfare, and buying the votes of various minority groups. Oh and by the way Blue States, better hope you are not attacked because it seems to me that we conservatives have been the ones sending our sons and daughters to defend our nation…not you liberals. You are too “intelligent” for that.

  • rainyalaska

    Why do so many idiots think we dislike the President’s politics because of the color of his skin? That is a real easy out. I would LOVE it if Alaska seceded. Why should my hard earned money be given away with record high welfare? Why should I pay for someone else’s healthcare? If you want healthcare insurance, get a job and pay for it like I have all my life. I’m a struggling single mom why should my salary go to the HUGE Federal Government to give away? This has NOTHING to do with racism morons. This has to do with the financial future of our country. And in the words of Abraham Lincoln, if you can’t change the government through established means, then use whatever means are available. It isn’t about white/black, Dems/Reps, poor/rich…this is about America. I don’t want a government that takes care of me. I can take care of myself. THAT is what this is about folks. Pure and simple. When we the tax paying people all leave, those left behind will be so dependent on Government, they will not survive.

  • patrick lynch

    yes please! And to all the smartass libs that commented above I don’t hate America…I just can’t stand you

  • Jeff E
  • http://www.facebook.com/jwudtke James Wudtke

    I’d move to Texas or Louisiana if the succeeded.

  • Flecktarn Australia

    The whole world is very disappointed that you Americans re elected this idiot.
    Everyone outside of the United States is shaking their heads in disbelief. How stupid and moronic you Obama voters are for allowing this to happen AGAIN!!! For those of you losers who voted Obama – it is clear you did it for the HAND OUTS and can’t see past your own greed and “me me me” lives.
    YOU WILL GET NOTHING ELSE FROM OBAMA except a destroyed country. This is so clear to any person with HALF a brain!!! Have you forgotten all the BROKEN PROMISES and the fact that he is busy DESTROYING the “American Dream” day by day??? How DUMB is that?
    “Americans” are low IQ IDIOTS – that’s how the world sees you now. Obama voters are simply TRAITORS.
    Seceeding is not “giving up.” Seceeding is taking POSITIVE STEPS to get OUT from UNDER the suppression. You will regain respect if you do. Right now, no one respects Americans. The rest of the world will be watching to see if you are going to rise to the occasion and pull this off. Good luck! UNITE and show this Socialist War Pig what the REAL American people want. The election results prove that the USA is a JOKE right now. Fix it … or SUFFER another 4 years of misery. Secession is a start. Do it.

  • Surprise!
  • Robert William Geiser III

    The state count is now up to 47! I have links to all of the petitions here:

    stevemeadedesigns(dot)com/
    board/topic/155641-individuals-from-47-states-start-petitions-to-secede-from-the-us/

  • http://steddum.com/ jagsted

    This is a better peition to sign: Term Limits! wh.gov/XBTc