Whoa: Indoctri-nation! Is disgraceful Obama-flag waver a teacher?

Whoa. As Twitchy reported, a disgraceful “United States of Obama” flag waved during Saturday’s March on Washington.

Twitter users noticed a little something else about the shameful, and creepy, flag:

The woman holding the flag does appear to be wearing an NEA T-shirt. Is she a teacher? Perhaps. Unless she was just wearing an NEA shirt in some creepy “solidarity” move. In any event, Twitter users are fed up: One indoctri-nation under Man-God?


And in a nutshell:


Pledge of aggrievance: ‘United States of Obama’ flag waves at March on Washington

  • Elaine

    Wasn’t this a tribute to MLK anniversary? Why is BHO the focus…. again? It’s like these people belong to some cult.

    • FilleGitane

      That’s why they’re called low-info voters. They’ve not yet heard that Obama is a miserable failure and an international laughingstock.

      • bbroome62

        And that he is continuing to further Bush’s agenda.

        • Bemani Dog

          I bet that pisses you off even more.

          • bbroome62

            Why would that piss me off. It is simply bad policy that is bad for our country.

          • Kevin Scott

            So, bad policies that are bad for the country don’t piss you off? Do you simply frown upon them?

        • TocksNedlog

          The most far-left president EVER isn’t far left enough for you?

          • bbroome62


        • Josh Kingsley

          Other than keeping Gitmo open, which he had no choice, what other Bush policy has he continued?

          • Garth Haycock

            The Patriot Act.

          • chrisnfolsom

            Despite many differences with President George W. Bush
            on ideology, style and temperament, President Barack Obama has stuck with Bush policies or aspirations on a number of fronts, from counterterrorism to immigration, from war strategy to the global fight against AIDS.

            Even on tax policy, where Bush advocated lower tax rates for all and Obama pushed for higher rates on the rich, Bush’s tax cuts for the middle class not only have survived under Obama, they have become permanent.

            Obama inherited from his predecessor two military conflicts,
            a war on terror and a financial crisis. He also inherited, and in time embraced, the means with which to confront them.

            But in his more than four years of governing, Obama has also adopted or let stand a series of Bush initiatives, illustrating how the policiesof one administration can take hold and how the realities of governing often limit solutions.

            Bush’s signature education plan, No Child Left Behind, remains the law of the land, though the Obama administration has granted states waivers to give them flexibility in meeting performance targets.

            A Bush Medicare prescription drug plan, criticized for its cost, is now popular with beneficiaries, and Obama has sought to improve it by providing relief for seniors with high bills.

            Obama continued the unpopular bank bailouts and expanded the auto industry rescue that Bush initiated in 2008.

            Bush authorized a military surge in Iraq in an effort to tame the conflict there. Obama completed the withdrawal of troops from Iraq but also authorized a military surge in Afghanistan before beginning a drawdown of troops that is expected to be completed at the end of 2014.

            Obama, like Bush during his presidency, is seeking an overhaul of immigration laws that give 11 million immigrants in the U.S. illegally a chance to get on a path toward citizenship. Bush came up short in 2007, we will see..
            President Obama believes that we’re at war with al-Qaida and its affiliated groups, has continued to take direct action against al-Qaida networks overseas and has continued to pursue very aggressive intelligence, law enforcement and homeland security measures that have been developed since 9/11.

            Obama’s use of warrantless surveillance, military detentions without trial and increased drone strikes has received less pushback than it would under a Republican president.

            Goldsmith, now a law professor at Harvard Law School, argued in a blog post after Obama’s election that the public “generally trust the former constitutional law professor and civil liberties champion more than a Republican president to carry out these policies.”

            “We redefined the war as something more narrow, which was a war against al-Qaida and its affiliates, not against other states, not against non affiliated terrorist groups,” Rhodes said.

            Republican Sen. John McCain ran against both – in 2000 against Bush for the Republican nomination and in 2008 against Obama. He allied himself with both men on immigration and called on them to increase troop levels in
            Iraq and Afghanistan. An early opponent of water-boarding, he has applauded Obama’s continued use of other counter-terrorism measures and said “I think they both had an appreciation for the threat that we face,”

            These are but a few – much of the criticism of Obama has roots in Bush and policies he started or carried over from Clinton or earlier.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “Despite many differences with President George W. Bush
            on ideology, style and temperament, President Barack Obama has stuck with Bush policies or aspirations on a number of fronts, from counterterrorism to immigration, from war strategy to the global fight against AIDS.”

            Gee. They both want to be popular. Stunning coincidence.

          • bbroome62

            Have you heard of the NSA and what they are engaged in?

          • Kevin Scott


        • objectivefactsmatter

          “And that he is continuing to further Bush’s agenda.”

          Using a few of Bush’s tactics is NOT even close to furthering Bush’s agenda. And he’s only aping tactics for cover purposes. Otherwise they serve opposite agendas. Bush was in favor of US sovereignty. 0’Bama is a blatant international socialist.

      • MNWoman

        Oddly, my best friend a is grad-school educated liberal. Leading up to last years elections, we had discussions (or rather arguments) about Obama’s failed policies. When I pointed out all of his failed promises and failed policies, she still thought he could turn it around.

        I asked her to explain adding trillions of dollars to our national debt and she blamed the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Of course his promise to reduce the debt, increase jobs and whatever else were not failed promises, he just hadn’t had time to get everything done yet. We just don’t talk about politics anymore. We have been friends too long (she is a really awesome friend) to fight over politics when neither of us are going to change our views.

    • ObamaFail

      Don’t you know? Obama is behind every good thing that’s ever happened in this country. Even before he was born. To think otherwise would be racist. – liberal logic

      • Thale Taxurfeet

        “Obama is behind every good thing that’s ever happened in this country. Even before he was born.”

        Indeed. As we type, Official Scribes from the TINS Guild* have been dispatched from their efforts on the White House Official Presidential online biographies to now focus on the Library of Congress and the King Library and Archives in Atlanta.

        This effort will revise update the historical records to reflect Obama’s contributions to the Civil Rights Struggle of the 60’s and the indispensable role he played advising the late Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. through those difficult times.

        *Accomplished Prose Repair and Historical Re-factuators known by their opening phrase, “This is no $#!+”.

      • AceTrace

        What’s the difference between God and Obama?
        God doesn’t think he’s Obama.

        • chrisnfolsom

          What’s the difference between Obama and a Christian – nothing.

          • AceTrace

            What’s the difference between chrisnfolsom and a troll — nothing.

          • chrisnfolsom

            Sorry to ruin you little party, but I have seen pro/con discussions on this board and many mentions of those wanting more discussion as well as many assertions that the “other side” was incapable of discussion which is incorrect – besides – many of these statements are not “discussions” but rants anyway. I am ON topic and want to start discussions NOT arguments – there is a difference…. If you choose to react emotionally that is on you.

            In Internet slang, a troll (/ˈtroʊl/, /ˈtrɒl/) is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people,[1] by posting inflammatory,[2] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a forum, chat room, or blog), either accidentally[3][4] or with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[5] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.[6]

          • objectivefactsmatter

            Calling 0’Bama “Christian” is unquestionable troll bait.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “What’s the difference between Obama and a Christian – nothing.”

            It’s always been very common for Christians to wear rings dedicated to allah. Am I right? Practically all “born again Christians” do that.

          • chrisnfolsom

            Ok, please read the article included in the link below – another Obama fallacy along with all the others. The ring which he got in college and doubles as his wedding ring has no writing on it – although I guess he could have changed rings….

            Also, what if that ring was his deceased fathers wedding ring (his father was agnostic btw), or other ring and it was a gift to him and he chose to wear it – does that make him a Muslim? Already in other conversations it seems that many of you believe many other professed Christians are not “true Christians” – I am still waiting for a definition so we can see what the qualifications are.

            Your link to an article on the ring: http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/weddingring.asp

          • objectivefactsmatter

            Dude, the ring mentions Allah in Arabic script. “6 people claim it says nothing.” Really? Which 6 people? But even if you name them, who cares? When does confusion matter in testimony to contradict other experts?

            You can make excuses for it but you can’t claim it doesn’t have Arabic script. And aside from that, it’s not even close to the only evidence.

            There is a long chain of non-dependent evidence. In other words if you throw away one “link,” the other evidence still remains.

            What matters most is that his actions have consistently supported the civilization jihad against the West, and so has his rhetoric.

            Back to the point about your claim that there is no difference between 0’Bama and a Christian: You haven’t really explained the ring, but more importantly Christians don’t refer to the Koran as “holy” and they don’t smear the Bible that Christians consider holy. 0’Bama does both.

            Regardless of how you “feel,” you’re trawling. Because in the end, even if somehow you came up with new evidence that shows conclusively (hah!) that 0’Bama is your ordinary Christian, there is so much compelling evidence that he’s not, that you are absurd to arrogantly go around treating all skepticism as illegitimate.

            Do a little research on his “Christian” affiliations, and what he’s actually said. He’s a crypto-communist more than anything else. Does he believe in Allah? I’m not sure. Possibly not. Is he a Christian? There is no way that he is Christian other than in the political sense. Most Christians believe in the Bible, not in political solutions for their salvation.

          • chrisnfolsom

            If you read the article and look at the picture – there is no script there….

            Also, if you make an assertion it is upon YOU to prove it, not me to disprove everything. You are the one trying to prove something so you need to have the definitive evidence – otherwise it is just an assertion at best, slander at worst. No matter how much you dislike him or his politics.

            The “number” of assertions is not the key, it’s the number of credible assertions backed by real evidence.

            Facts are not a popularity contest, or a longevity contest, they are repeatable and can be measured and proven with evidence.

            So you not only believe Obama is a closet Muslim, he is supporting jihad against the west? You know being Muslim and practicing jihad against the west are different things right? So Obama wants to ruin the country he lives in, is president of and is raising his children in?

            Now just because you go to a Christian church does not make you a Christian, but Obama has been attending Church and working with Churches since 1983.

            I guess it all comes down to what a “real” Christian is.
            PLEASE ONE OF YOU define what a Christian is – I keep hearing about “real Christians”, but no one will define it.

            Obama IS an “ordinary” Christian – look at interviews with him about it – he has doubts, he believes in evolution with some holy intervention, but he believes in God (although I might believe he was black…). Obama IS NOT a conservative right wing Christian – which is NOT a “normal” Christian btw – at least by numbers which seem important to you in making decisions.

            You are a bit mixed up between politics and religion – they influence each other, but they are not directly connected. You can be a Christian Democrat, a Christian Socialist, a Christian Capitalist (although a compassionate Capitalist…WWJD). Do you really think Jesus would be a Republican or a Democrat, a socialist or a libertarian?

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “Also, if you make an assertion it is upon YOU to prove it, not me to disprove everything. You are the one trying to prove something so you need to have the definitive evidence – otherwise it is just an assertion at best, slander at worst. No matter how much you dislike him or his politics.”

            I gave you evidence that you reject. You’re entitled but the original argument is presented by you that there is no essential difference between 0’Bama any any other “Christian,” and that just isn’t true. The burden of proof lies with you.

            I gave you plenty of evidence, and it’s all available in the public domain. I don’t have to “prove” beyond doubt that 0’Bama’s ring has Arabic script. Experts say it does, but my burden is only to show that 0’Bama’s “Christianity” is not typical at all.

            He’s an Islamic Christian. Do a little research about his church and the founding ideology and you’ll see it’s a fusion of communism, Islam and rejection of “white culture” with a veneer of Christianity for cover.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “PLEASE ONE OF YOU define what a Christian is – I keep hearing about “real Christians”, but no one will define it.”

            A Christian believes in Jesus as revealed in the Bible. A Christian rejects other contradictory claims. Therefor a Christian CAN NOT consider the Koran “holy.”

            But I already told you this. You are unfazed by facts that contradict your blind faith.

      • chrisnfolsom

        That is just stupid – real fact.

    • grais

      It IS a cult.

    • The Jackal

      They do. It’s called The Cult of Personality.

      • Elilla Shadowheart

        Bingo. For Americans who want to see how bad this can actually get, take a look at “Trudeau-mania” in Canada. First starting with the father, then with the son(Justin) who’s now head of same party as his father. Who has no skills whatsoever.

        • chrisnfolsom

          Why don’t you compare him to Hitler – there is no comparison – all presidents win with some amount of fame, and all have to be a bit of an egomaniac to even think they want the job. Please stop sullying the memory of the executive branch to stroke your ego.

          There is nothing wrong with disagreeing with a president, but when you drag him through the dirt and make ridiculous unfounded claims and comparisons you disrespect no just the president, but the office of the president. Be respectful, or stfu.

          • Elilla Shadowheart

            Can’t figure if you’re dense or stupid. There’s a difference between an egomaniac, and someone who has a messiah complex.

          • chrisnfolsom

            I brought up Hitler as Fox news and conservatives like to use that comparison:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/05/obamacare-hitler_n_2617592.html I am sorry if you did not understand the reference.

          • Garth Haycock

            Be respectful or stfu. Spoken like a true Obamabot.

            When the occupant of the office of President has no respect for that office, there is no need to show him nor the office any respect.

            You may worship him as you wish, but you cannot tell anyone else what they should or shouldn’t say.

          • putthehammerdown

            I, for one, find it ‘clinically interesting’ that you’d stoop to using this [stfu] tactic.
            Especially since you’re not doing it face to face and from [undoubtedly] a l o n g way away.
            Barry’d get a little respect, if he’d be seen as handing some out. But backhanding is all he seems to be good at.
            But he rarely hands out respect, so he gets none. He lost me when he called me and mine ‘TeaBaggers’, & lied his teeth out about any number of topics.
            [Fixed that error for ya’. No thanks needed]

          • chrisnfolsom

            Glad to be interesting. I give no more then I get. You give the president of the united states no respect then why should I give you any? If you apologized and said that perhaps you were a bit over the top – I would say that too. If you give the office of the president no respect – no matter who is in there – you offend all presidents. It is one thing to disagree, it is another to slander. I did not slander Bush when the supreme court made him president. I truly believed that he tried his best – I just didn’t agree with what he was doing, and then worked hard to work on the next election. I am sorry I gave you the “ammunition” to disregard what I said by offending you – sorry, I did not know you all were that sensitive as you seem to have little problem claiming people are evil, or “The most far-left president EVER”, “Most NEA members are with out any honor or virtue”, “Impeach the MUSLIM”, “Obama is pure evil”, “this man is a full blown retard”, “sorry bastard”, ect, ect. sorry, that is not right, and none of you that I can see ever self correct each other. A group of people that doesn’t even moderate it’s own to a level that keeps some form of respectability – get’s none. I consistently tell pro Obama people to hold the line when they go overboard against conservatives. Just because I don’t agree with everything you say does not mean I discount you, or ridicule you – WWJD?

          • Wi Tu Lo

            WWJD? I dunno…ask Obama.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “If you give the office of the president no respect – no matter who is in there – you offend all presidents.”

            Your accusation doesn’t make sense. It does matter who is there. It’s disrespectful to the office of POTUS to blindly worship terrible presidents. You disrespect the other presidents when you do that.

            Show some respect by holding all of them to the same standards and expectations. This one attacks successful people just because there are fewer of them than there are the losers that want handouts. He also uses his skin color to mobilize his constituents while posing as a “uniter.”

            That’s hideous.

          • objectivefactsmatter

            “Why don’t you compare him to Hitler”

            Because Hitler was a German nationalist and wanted his nation to grow stronger and dominate the world. 0’Bama wants to destroy our standing in the world and “transform” the nation for the benefit of those who didn’t make it great. The supposed victims of our success. O’Bama and Hitler might both be socialists, but 0’Bama hates his own nation.

            0’Bama is a historical revisionist like Hitler, but really they don’t have that much in common other than each believing in socialism.

            “…but when you drag him through the dirt and make ridiculous unfounded claims and comparisons you disrespect no just the president, but the office of the president.”

            Yeah, well it seems like you’re not the authority on which claims have foundation.

          • chrisnfolsom

            So put away all malice and all deceit and hypocrisy and envy and all slander – live your own belief, or don’t claim it.

      • IBXNJ

        Living Colour….”I exploit you..you still love me”

      • chrisnfolsom

        Cults go both ways, and the real way you know you are in a cult is when members of your cult make accusations – many not being able to be proven – to separate yourself from others..

    • IBXNJ

      The only “Cult of Personality” I ever liked was by Living Colour…

    • Jack Deth

      The Wellstone funeral and pep rally is a great example to fall back on.

      • Elaine

        Is that the funeral where all the Democrats got up and made political speeches? Sick.

        • AceTrace

          It’s one of the many sick things they’ve done. Check out the last Democrat Convention for an especially sick display…

    • AceTrace

      “It’s like these people belong to some cult.”
      Exactly! This is why they can’t be reasoned with. He is, after all, their “Lord & Savior.”

    • MissDiane47

      A cult is exactly what this is … nothing more than political brainwashing. It’s been going on since I was a kid, too.

  • Jake Wilde

    Perpetuating ignorance is without any honor or virtue.

    • KIdGallahad

      Most NEA members are with out any honor or virtue either.

  • John Ansell

    Yet another reason to homeschool.

  • rambler

    The down fall of education came with unionizing teachers, tenure and fed gov intervention. Competition keeps a system alive and infused with ideas that improve things. Over time, new ideas have been produced by control freaks and academic idiots. That woman is a mindless groupie and far removed from being an educator.

    • Josh Kingsley

      That sounds racist.

      -confused liberal

    • John Kerry

      Look at the size of it as well, must have skipped a few gym classes for some munchies rather than skipping some munchies for gym classes. And judging by the ‘do the girls in the gym are probably glad she chose the classes to skip.

    • Ken Alan Draper

      the downfall of American education came with the founding of the federal department of education. Government departments are designed to limit or prevent what ever the department is supposed to oversee, example: The department of energy limits energy production, the department of agriculture pays farmers not to grow crops, the department of Labor works to ensure no new jobs are produced, the department of land managment closes off vast tracts of “public” land that it will not let the public use, etc.

    • chrisnfolsom

      Unionizing? Tenure and Fed intervention? There were and are issues with unions and tenure – that does not mean they were entirely wrong. Unions have adj to the new reality, municipalities have realized that they will not always grow, and cannot bet on that growth and give people benefits based on projected growth. People screwed up – we are learning, but without unions America – the America most of us live in – workers – have benefited with safer work places and rights to not be abused. Every system has good and bad periods, has to change and adapt. The problem with unions was not that the “idea” was wrong, but the implementation was wrong – any (many of you) who are in unions, or had parents in unions owe them a little respect as your lives – in general of course – were much better off.

      • rambler

        Why did teachers need a union? Were their working conditions that horrid? What about competition? Unions and tenure protect the employed against having to compete to stay employed. It allows them to become stagnant. When I want to learn something, I go to the best I can find. I’m not seeing the best in public schools. The reason for the formation of unions was to create a safe work place and to have a standard of excellence. Now that has changed to be all about power for the unions to influence politics. Where is the excellence anymore? Unions are a collective and I’m for the individual. If all individuals have rights then there is no need for a union. Unions are about the all receiving the same thing and having the individual yield to that collective. What if I don’t want what a union has decided? I will rise or fall by my own merits and expect to be rewarded based upon my performance and not by what a union shall decide on my behalf.

        • chrisnfolsom

          If teachers can’t benefit from a union, then CEO certainly don’t need headhunters and lawyers to make their deals – but they all do – why, to get what they can, and to have professionals look out for their interests. A good head hunter will put their clients benefits up or down depending on if they want/need the job, and the benefits are not just pay, but stock, bonuses, expenses ect.. If a educated professional who can survive easily, but wants to do more then just survive needs help, how can you deny a poor worker who needs every dollar (yes, not all union employees are poor), but all poor employees could use help negotiating, training, resumes ect. They have the right to market themselves – right out of a job, and if they get help they are just being smart.

          It takes two to Tango, and if you blame the Unions for all the problems, why don’t you blame the businesses and governments who gave in and made the agreements that are so bad?

          Just as conservatives can’t blame a company for moving all it’s manufacturing to China – hey, they are only beholden to their stock holders – why in the hell can’t workers be beholden to their interests? Yes, the politics of Unions are bad from time to time, but so are they in businesses too.

          • rambler

            First, teachers work for the taxpayers and CEOs work for private companies. Headhunters are not the equivalent to union reps and not all CEOs use them. Some headhunters are practically clueless.

            For some jobs union membership in not an option. Why should anyone be forced to join a union? Further, unions used to be involved with keeping minorities out. Look for that union label!

            Since when were conservatives complaining about manufacturing going to China? Gee unions and politicians had a great deal to do with that. How many companies closed because a company could not make enough in profits to cover the increases the unions demanded?

            What I blame is corruption. I blame politicians who cared more about being elected that serving the public who voted for them. I blame business who lobby the gov to get benefits that the taxpayer will have to fund.

            There is a reason that companies give attention to stockholders. Those people have INVESTED their money in those businesses.

            Why can’t workers be beholden to their interests? And what exactly ARE those interests? To invest in their work to improve efficiency and value to the company or to whine and complain while acting like a parasite? If the value to the company is nothing more than having that worker show up and has nothing to do with the quality of the work performed, then the union is protecting the lazy and making sure that the union bosses keep their jobs. Those who excel at what they don’t need unions.

          • chrisnfolsom

            1. First, teachers work for the taxpayers and CEOs work for private companies. Headhunters are not the equivalent to union reps and not all CEOs use them. Some headhunters are
            practically clueless.
            CIF: Sure – nothing is exactly like something else, and I bring up unions “in general” as Unions are attacked by Conservative whether schools or not. Also, the same issues that are problems with school unions (yes there are some) and private companies are similar. Unions work between employers and employees as do headhunters/mediators. Sure, not all CEO’s use headhunters, but many do, and many wish they had. Also, many use lawyers to draw up their contracts.

            2. For some jobs union membership in not an option. Why should anyone be forced to join a union? No one is forced – they do have to pay some dues though if they are in certain job situations – the dues have to be itemized and are supposedly just for the services provided by the union. There are many compulsory fees – taxes. licenses and such – and it’s not on me, the Supreme Court has backed this up for years.

            3. Further, unions used to be involved with keeping minorities out. Look for that union label!
            CIF: Yes, everything changes – Religions used to justify slavery, racism and the lack of womens rights, but we don’t still blame them do we?

            4. Since when were conservatives complaining about manufacturing going to China?
            CIF: You misread – I was essentially saying that companies are absolved of doing things to help employees as they are soulless entities that are ultimately only about making money for the shareholders – so why is an employee held to a higher bar? If the company cannot afford their help they can move, or find another way to do business. Why does an employee have to care about a business when a business does not have to care about an employee – that’s business. That is idealist of course as companies and employee do care for each other beyond the pocketbook, but when it comes down to it it’s all about the money.

            5. Gee unions and politicians had a great deal to do with that. How many companies closed because a company could not make enough in profits to cover the increases the unions demanded?
            CIF: The last 20 years of outsourcing have been new to businesses AND unions. Both have had to adapt, and as we know adapting is difficult. Now, even if unions had dropped their wages to 25% many businesses would have still moved so wages by themselves were not the answer. Also, Unions had been riding the US economy for 50+ years and were used to more, more, more and it takes a while to change your tune – if you look at unions now they have dropped their wages and benefits – it just took a while, and that was a problem, and I hope we learned from it. That is still not a reason to have no representation for employees.

            6. What I blame is corruption. I blame politicians who cared more about being elected that serving the public who voted for them.
            CIF: I agree, and it’s still a problem.

            7. I blame business who lobby the gov to get benefits that the taxpayer will have to fund.
            CIF: Yes that is a problem, but we have just given businesses even more ability to shape politics.

            8. There is a reason that companies give attention to stockholders. Those people have INVESTED their money in those businesses.
            CIF: That’s right, and many of them don’t pay taxes either – which they should do. And if the taxes are to high figure something out.

            9. Why can’t workers be beholden to their interests? And what exactly ARE those interests? To invest in their work to improve efficiency and value to the company or to whine and complain while acting like a parasite?
            CIF: Again, compare a worker to a CEO – do workers get paid even if they fail at their job? What we need is balance. The American dream is to work and be productive, and not be fired because of your religion, the boss’s son or cousin needs a job, because you were hurt (with no safety devices) so see ya… That is VERY profitable for companies, but how low do you want the bar? Do you trust companies to be safe, to not work employees and then not pay them? To fire them, and then hire a young guy with no other reason then to save a few bucks?

            10. If the value to the company is nothing more than having that worker show up and has nothing to do with the quality of the work performed, then the union is protecting the lazy and making sure that the union bosses keep their jobs.
            CIF: Rules need to be adjusted, but general protections that many non-union employees have are ONLY there because of unions – like health care, safety, vacation, overtime, seniority and modest job protection.

            11. Those who excel at what they don’t need unions.
            CIF: If you are really good you don’t need an education, so let’s not educate kids so they can sink or swim… Ideals are great, but reality is not ideal. There are crooked companies and people who need some regulation – which in America is now a norm, but 100 years ago there was NO overtime, NO safety, Children could work whenever and if you got hurt on the job – their fault you could be fired. THAT is not what made America what it was over the last 50 years. Americans worked hard over the last 50 years as they knew that they wouldn’t get screwed over – they investing time, blood and sweat and made America what it was. Do you think China will have the same revolution? There is no mobility in China, they work hard because they can be fired, not because they will be rewarded with better jobs and a future. If that is what you want for America get rid of all unions and open up the sweat shops. You know who makes money with no middle class? Just the Rich – so learn how to be a good butler and you might get some of their table scraps. A bit “over the top”, but I have talked to too many men who worked in America in the early 1900’s and they had some pretty scary stories of the crap that went on – it wasn’t that long ago.

          • rambler

            Gaad…. what dribble. You are leaping to conclusions all over the place. I don’t need anything a union has to offer. Yes there were scary times. Hey, life sucks. It will never be perfect and unions won’t create that perfection either. They stifle perfection. Unions are not a construct which believes in the individual. People who create value for an employer have more choices than those who don’t, can’t or won’t. It’s called competition. Competition scares people. It’s competition which made this country what it is and not unions. Just because unions can be credited with some things that benefited workers, unions also did some very damaging things as well. Gee…. no mention of that.

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  • HWarrior13

    Sending your child to a public school should be considered child abuse.

  • Stephen L. Hall

    And this surprises who?

  • PrincessofSnark

    Oh, goody. A teacher desecrating the American flag. That’s just the person I want teaching my grandchildren. NOT!!! And we wonder why our schools and kids are so f***ed up????

  • Clayton Grant

    Neon lights, a Nobel prize
    When a mirror speaks, the reflection lies
    You don’t have to follow me
    Only you can set me free
    I exploit you, still you love me
    I tell you, one and one makes three
    Oh, I’m the cult of personality
    The cult of personality

    • Guest

      I can’t help but picture CM Punk whenever people mention that song.

    • The Jackal

      That song should be played over & over & over again to these zipperheads. Maybe they might just get it.

      • ObamaFail

        Nah, they’d probably adopt it as the official Obama Water-Carrier anthem.

  • ObamaFail

    I bet this teacher has her kids believing that Obama freed the slaves and wrote the “I Have a Dream” speech delivered by MLK.

    I can even see the defense by CNN and MSNBC. They’d say, “Well, it’s gotta be true, why else would people be there with Obama flags?”

    • Spiny Norman

      If you pin her down, she’ll reluctantly agree that he wasn’t actually there, through no fault of his own, but would have done all those things if he had been.

  • ObamaFail

    Here’s some fun facts liberals and the Obama administration won’t admit. Mr. Redistribute the Wealth has made the income gap between the rich and the poor even worse. That’s one, the rest can be seen on the “14 Things the Obama Administration Doesn’t Want You To Know” list.


    • therealguyfaux

      I mean, even John Rawls admitted there were things you could do, in trying to effect redistribution, that would leave the least-well-off worse off still, and that’s why a certain amount of inequality has to exist and be tolerated; in other words, if you’re going to keep robbing the rich, it would help if you allowed there always to be at least some rich to be robbed. Otherwise, you eventually make everyone equally poor, and now there is nobody to rob any more to keep the population from becoming even poorer– so how does that help those worst off to start with in the long run?

  • Adela Wagner

    Nice catch, I posted about it yesterday on the other story. If you have kids in the public school system….they have your children.

  • Damien Johnson

    I’ve always felt teachers should be paid more but with teachers like her…

  • ObamaFail

    Martin Luther King III and Al Sharpton used yesterday as an excuse to continue race baiting. They disgracefully claimed that Trayvon Martin was killed because he was black, and those two sorry excuses for human beings refused to even mention the 3 white people murdered in cold blood by black thugs. And Chris Lane was obviously killed for being white, as the shooter tweeted the day before about “whites being nasty.”


    So yesterday was supposed to be a celebration of Martin Luther King Jr. Instead, it became a cult worship of Barack Obama and a race-baiting opportunity for racists like Al Sharpton.

    MLK III is a disgrace to MLK. Because he twisted the dream from peace and equality into race-baiting and hatred.

    • AlCashier

      and MLK III’s become a rich celebrity by race-baiting, a polar opposite to his slain father.

      • ObamaFail

        His dad is probably turning over in his grave at the disgusting sight of his son.

  • Republicanvet

    …all this for a flag?

    • ObamaFail

      A flag that was desecrated by them putting Obama’s face on it.

    • Republicanvet

      Either someone missed what Moochie said, or the little liberal child furthering the cause by down voting everything flew by.

      • OLLPOH ~ America

        There is a paid troll on here. He’s going into the Troll Franchise Business for money because he can’t seem to Think for himself.

  • bbroome62

    She’s not too bright for a teacher. Obama has done nothing to favor unions.

    • ObamaFail

      As bad as Obama has screwed over the Unions with his false promises, those idiots would still vote for him in a heartbeat if he needed their votes today.

  • MNWoman

    One of my cousins is a teacher and I can assure you she does not support Obama’s policies. She used to vote democrat, but in recent years she has seen the downfall of our education system and does not believe big government involvement is the solution. She is also a big supporter of school choice.

  • Stephen L. Hall

    On a side note, has anyone else noticed that someone seems to be down-ticking everyone in sight?

    • MNWoman

      Yep. That has happened a few times recently. I take it as a badge of honor 😉

      • Stephen L. Hall

        I’d take is as a badge of honor if it was directed at me personally . . . but to just be one of the crowd indiscriminately down-ticked . . . is just rude.

    • therealguyfaux

      Where is Voter ID when you really need it? /sarc!

    • Republicanvet

      The NEA buffoon pictured may have heard her picture is here.
      Typical of a liberal though. Too gutless to debate, or defend what has been desecrated, but thinks they are somehow supporting the cause by voting everything down.

      • Stephen L. Hall

        But I’ve seen it on several threads, not just this one.

        • therealguyfaux

          Be thankful that good ol’ S#it-For-Brains can only vote once on each post. At least under that name. They have to go to the trouble of creating so many spoof accounts to continue doing it that it isn’t worth the trouble. Just watch– now I’m going to get a down vote, sure as God made sour apples.

        • $1014973

          I can assure that some loser was sent here by the dnc for the sole purpose of down voting comments.

        • GaryTheBrave

          I think it is Twitchy Admin who downvotes everyone just so you don’t think you’re “all that.” /sarc ;-D

    • Marcy Cook

      Not to worry. I look for downticks and uptick everyone who gets one. Cancel the idiots out it’s the only way and they just can’t keep up with us. It’s a lonely world for trolls here.

      • brewerandpatriot

        I only use Twitchy for Android devices and I can’t even see up/down votes. I also read everything in chronological order and can not match replies to comments.

  • MNWoman

    I am wondering if this flag is going to be a big seller. It is probably a custom made flag, but with the cult-like (or maybe just simply cult) following, I bet there will be a lot of people asking for this.

    I don’t know if I should be sad or scared.

    • sambar2


      • MNWoman

        I should add outraged.

  • CubansForCruz!!!

    Home School people!!!

    • Cyborg3K

      While you still can.

    • Stephen L. Hall

      Home Schooling will soon be labelled a racist hate-crime and a form of child abuse punishable by fines and imprisonment.

      • RedSoloCup

        The NEA will see to that.

    • Maxwell

      I was home schooled the later years of high school. I can honestly say I turned out better for it than many of high school peers. In addition to being taught math, science, and english, I was also taught how to balance a check book and appropriately budget money.

  • Justin Hogan

    4 USC § 3 – Use of flag for advertising purposes; mutilation of flag

  • AlCashier

    let’s see, a short fat and ugly democrat plantation flat-faced bleached blonde ‘white female’ moonbat waving a desecrated American Flag with obama’s face on it in a sea of angry black men? you know what she’s angling for in one of those portapotties. oh yeah baby, no other reason for calling attention to her disgusting anti-US obama-worship, she’s all “look at me” and got her some o’ dat ol’ democrat plantation fantasy happenin’ dere. she’s sickening.

  • AlCashier

    hope someone can identify is ‘she’ IS a teacher and parents can be alerted to what she considers ‘desirable’.

  • AlCashier

    it’s the Communists (formerly called ‘democrats’) vs the Americans (aka TEA Party, Conservatives) – – back in Aug 2011 IL REVIEW reported that the obama admin (soros) had hired -thousands- of troll basement dwellers to go on Conservative sites to post inflammatory remarks, anti-US & pro-obama blather & ‘down vote’.

    apparently soros is still paying their wages. they got a % per what they post and sat at work tables with dozens of others, like a schoolroom lunchtime for mindless hateful obama-morons. you saw a huge similarities in their posts since they had a general worksheet to go by. if you foolishly reply to them, since they MUST provoke you to, they get even more cash. so IGNORE the trolls.

  • JoeMyGodNYC

    I would totally fly this flag if only for the joy in knowing how much it upsets the Tea People.

    • Stephen L. Hall

      Just filled to the brim with hatred, aren’t you.

      • JoeMyGodNYC

        For the Tea Things? Absolutely! #Cartwheels

        • Heather_A

          That’s kinda sad, though.


    • PChandler

      “I would totally fly this flag…”—

      Of course you would. You’re a demented, self-deluded sociopath no different than the followers of Jim Jones. Nobody is denying that

      • Roto

        Typical dumbazz liberal…. probably didn’t even notice that Obama increased his payroll tax last Jan. and will wonder why his check went down again this Jan. when more Obamadon’tcare kicks in (doubt he works though anyway)

    • $1014973

      Wow, that’s quite a life you’ve carved out for yourself.

    • Stu Gotts

      That flag looks very much like the flags with pictures of Stalin, Lenin, Mao, et. al. You know, fascist flags.

    • RedSoloCup

      Glad the Tea Party gets your tutu in a bind. Now F off.

    • MarcusFenix

      So, you like just annoying people for the fun of it…I guess for you and your ilk, it’s all you’ve really got left in the playbook anyway. It’s not like you come here and constructively give ideas, or debate anything with a modicum of sense.

      The words we use for liberal people like you include “petty” and “capricious”. Both fit well.

    • TocksNedlog

      New Tone = F.U.!!!

      Sounds a lot like the old tone.

  • AlCashier

    it’s really pathetically funny that the democrat plantation has no clue what the TEA Party means to begin with and the democrat mindless’d lay down and die for obama, for that’s what it will come to.

  • JoeMyGodNYC

    “4 USC § 3 – Use of flag for advertising purposes; mutilation of flag.”

    • PChandler

      Man =/= Ideology

      You’re an ignoramus dolt. Please, go back to school. And go to a good school, if you went to a private one then your parents should ask for their money back, they were SCAMMED!

      • JoeMyGodNYC

        I went to a very good public university for my undergrad. Worked my way through, paid for it myself, no student loans.

        • Markward

          cred·i·bil·i·ty [kred-uh-bil-i-tee]

          the quality of being believable or worthy of trust: Everything the dumbass liberal says lacks credibility.

          • JoeMyGodNYC

            I don’t give two of your mama’s queefs if you find me “credible” or not.

    • Stu Gotts

      “use of flag for advertising purposes.” LOFL

      That’s not a law, it’s a guideline. If that were illegal, then every single furniture store, mattress outlet, and car dealer in the country would be in violation of that law multiple times a year.

      Nice try, but you FAIL.

  • JoeMyGodNYC

    Tea Flag: “4 USC § 3 – Use of flag for advertising purposes; mutilation of flag.”

    • ObamaFail

      Does the Tea Party desecrate the US Flag? No. They have their own flag. You Obama worshippers, who most of you are offended by the sight of the US flag, took an American flag, removed the stars and put Obama’s face on it. that is true flag mutilation. But no, typical liberals. Finding a way to deflect.

      And the picture you have? That is not flag desecration. That is the original American flag that represented the 13 colonies. I know you libs don’t actually know anything about this country outside of you get free welfare on the taxpayers dime, but you really needed to learn your history. And it’s not like they desecrated it with a terrorist sympathizing socialist like your side did.

    • Stu Gotts

      Dude you’re an even bigger moron than that mental patient talking head, Martin Bashir, on PMSNBC:


  • ObamaFail
  • Emily B

    Just one more reason why my kids will never darken the door of a public school.

  • JoeMyGodNYC

    Another Tea Flag: “4 USC § 3 – Use of flag for advertising purposes; mutilation of flag.”

    • $1014973

      That’s not a US flag, twit.

      • JoeMyGodNYC

        It’s a much an American flag as the Obama flag is.

        • CBDenver

          You are adept at missing the point. The point is that Obama is President — not a god or king. The flag festooned with Obama’s visage connotes that Obama should be venerated. Which he should not — that is not the America way.

        • $1014973

          No, it’s not.

        • Markward

          I don’t recall the stars and stripes occupying the entire left side of the flag now, dumbass.

        • MarcusFenix

          But it’s not. The flag with obama is of the same design…this one you’ve shown a picture of here has a completely different design. So it’s not, but keep telling yourself that to feel better.

    • RedSoloCup

      NYC sucks.

    • Stephen L. Hall

      Did it occur to you to actually read 4 USC § 3 which refers specifically to flags “within the District of Columbia,”?

  • LeftistsStink

    Dump the nea and tenure.

    • RedSoloCup

      and all Unions.

  • JoeMyGodNYC

    Indoctrination, you say? Available now: $49.95.

    • Iron Horse

      From what website? You convienently left that out….

      • JoeMyGodNYC

        I did link the website in response to your comment and the link was, SURPRISE, deleted.

        • Sons Thunder

          Within the past week, both Twitchy and Newsbusters deleted my comments that included a video Michelle Malkin posted to youtube. In both cases, I was responding to people claiming liberals were terrified of Malkin due to her intelligence and debating skills.


    • Markward

      Meanwhile Joe seems to not have a problem when its his side desiccating the flag.

      • JoeMyGodNYC



      • MarcusFenix

        He’s likely OK with someone putting a cross in a jar of urine…but if it were a picture of Obama in the jar, we’d never hear the end of it, as we’re called “racists”, among other things.

        Freedom of expression for me, but not for thee….the rally cry of liberal “tolerance”.

        • Sons Thunder

          Your complaint is that you would “never hear the end of it” and equate that with having your freedom of expression denied!

          “I’m being denied my First Amendment rights because someone else voiced an an opinion that really hurt my feelings!”

          • MarcusFenix

            Not a complaint, per se. Simply the truth of it. If someone does it, fine. If they don’t, that’s fine too.

            It’s not the denial of the freedom of expression. It’s the approach from both sides to the issue.

            Put a cross in urine, and conservatives get upset, and rightly so. Liberals think it’s just fine, and do it anyway. Conservatives label it insensitive and offensive.

            If a conservative were to put a picture of Obama in urine, then liberals would get upset. They would call for hearings, for revamping free speech laws (a la talk radio rules as was called for previously, and so on) and decry the move as racist and evil.

            That’s just the truth of it.

          • Sons Thunder

            Here’s a pic of Michelle Malkin’s good buddy creating his multimedia masterpiece “Obama in Pee Pee.” I don’t remember any calls for hearings or for revamping Beck’s free speech laws. Decrying Beck is the right of every American citizen. It is also the First Amendment right of every citizen to praise Beck’s art. I’m guessing most citizens are enjoying their right to not give a damn.

          • MarcusFenix

            Except it was beer…not urine. Had it been, then likely people would have put more behind it.

            But you’re right. It’s the right of people not to care, one way or the other…which, if that happened, works just fine by me.

          • Sons Thunder

            I hate to admit that I spent 10 minutes of my short life researching what liquid Beck used in his famous work “Obama in Pee Pee.” The general consensus is that he, after creating the work, claimed that he put the Obama figurine in food coloring.

            Regardless — you claimed that liberals try to deny conservatives their First Amendment rights. You specifically brought up the Piss Christ analogy and claimed that liberals would be calling for hearings and trying to deny Beck his freedom of speech for his homage to Serrano. For emphasis, you said “That’s just the truth of it.”

            I have family & friends that span the political spectrum and my experience is that most people aren’t as party-loyal as the pundits on TV. I know economic conservatives that are to the left of me on most social issues. I know bleeding heart liberals that are strongly pro-life. However, I don’t know a single liberal (or conservative, libertarian, independent, etc…) that wants to take away anyone’s right to put plastic crosses or bobbleheads in a jar of urine! More to the point, I think most people understand that freedom of speech is meaningless unless you support that same freedom for the speech you find most offensive.

          • MarcusFenix

            I respect your honesty in the matter.

            I got the lead of it being in beer from HuffPo previously…granted, sometimes that requires a grain of salt, but on this one I had no indication they’d lie about something that innocuous.

            Maybe what I’ve said was a little exaggerated…I can take a hit on that. But talk radio, for years, has been the target of people attempting to curtail speech there because of some perceived lack of fairness. Rush (as much as I don’t always agree with him) and others have cataloged those events fairly well.

            Would it surprise me, had Beck really used urine, that people would have called for his head. Not really.

            I guess my personal experience is quite different. I also have many friends who come from a wide berth of political ideas. The more liberal of them are perfectly fine with stripping away speech rights, when it suits them. Not all, but there are (out of….7 or 8 i can think of) at least 4 who believe that free speech requires…..constraints. Not the “don’t scream ‘fire’ in a theater” types, but ones who genuinely believe it’s just more civil to force people to shut up and fall in line.

            I also know conservatives who feel the same way about their opponents. As tongue in cheek as it might be at times, I can almost sympathize with them. Even a cursory examination of liberal postings is enough to at least sort of agree.

            I genuinely (and personally) believe if he’d put that bobblehead in anything other than beer (or oil..could go either way), there would be a line around the block for him. We see this behavior regularly with liberals towards conservatives, because someone makes a statement they don’t like. There is more than enough actual, if not anecdotal, evidence when a conservative says something honest, and liberals light up their feeds like it was Christmas.


          • Sons Thunder

            I find wasting beer more offensive than putting a tchotchke in a urine-filled mason jar.

            As a left-leaning guy, there are phony controversies that I am more than willing to admit I see ‘my side’ lighting up over. The stupid really gets turned up during elections. Anyone listening to the context in which Romney said “I like firing people” understood he wasn’t a mustache-twirling villain. While the phrasing was poor, there was nothing offensive about “binders full of women” either. Despite the fact I would love it if we lived in a country with an informed populace that ignored these obvious and sad controversies, we don’t.

            People like Michelle Malkin and Michael Moore make their money by convincing ‘their team’ that the people on the other team aren’t just wrong…they’re evil. Unfortunately, for a deeply unhappy segment of the population, this strategy works. I’m not putting it all on them but they certainly aren’t helping. While disheartening to read the hateful and ill-informed parrots posting online, I can’t imagine any scenario where limiting their First Amendment rights would be a positive.

            So…it’s late. I just got home and am looking forward to having a Guinness (I won’t be making any art with it) and watching the newest episode of Breaking Bad. I know I rambled on here a bit but I appreciated your thoughtful reply and hope you don’t forget that there are a ton of great people out there who may vote differently than you do. I know I have days where I desperately need reminding!


          • MarcusFenix

            You and I share the exact sentiment. I am sure we both can relate tales of having to comb through BS (from one side or the other, sometimes, both) to get to the heart of things. An informed public wouldn’t be so fast to jump on bandwagons, or just automatically become experts after hearing a 15 second sound-bite on the news.

            As you point out…sadly, we don’t.

            I know MM runs this site, and while I do like some of her items (specifically, the Common Core issue is one i’m in tune with), I don’t believe she, or other far right wing people, are the answer. Just as Moore is not the answer for the other side, I find that people who are too far from the middle tend to fall into a trap of sorts…a’la Dogma. They start with a good idea, and let belief get in the way. When all that is left is that belief…the good ideas get lost and what you’re left with (on both sides) is nothing short of zealotry. I would rather find a balanced approach.

            Sorry for my likewise group of rambling. It’s easy to forget that there are sane, intelligent people on the other side of the fence, when I tend to be exposed to the…..well, the not so intelligent side all too frequently.

            Haven’t watched BB, and I do applaud the Guinness, a personal poison of choice. If I may, I did grab a box of the Sam Adams Harvest, which has a good assortment there. I particularly enjoy their Oktoberfest, but I rather did like the Hazel Brown as well.

            Na Zdorovie!!!

    • MarcusFenix

      So, are you saying both are wrong? If so, that’s fine and fair.

      If not…well, then that’s different eh?

    • Stephen L. Hall

      But is that flag within the “District of Columbia”? The Obama Flag was.

  • JoeMyGodNYC

    “A Guardian reporter interviewed Sarah Palin while she was giving
    autographs to her fans. Sarah put her Sharpie marker on a book, a hat,
    and an American flag. The latter of which is against the law!”

    • Stu Gotts

      “The latter of which is against the law.”

      LOL No, it’s not.

    • Tony Soprano

      another libtard!

    • Sons Thunder

      Here’s a pic of George W. Bush signing an American flag.

    • John Thomas “Jack” Ward III

      And those signed flags at Ground Zero in Manhattan were wrong too, Joe? They are SYMBOLS of our strength and recuperative powers after an attack on our homeland! Even my Room-mate, Dave, has a flag signed by Members of his unit (He fought in the Cold War, on the East-West German Border, making sure THEY (The COMMIES) didn’t start WORLD WAR III! Jawamax 8<{D}

  • OLLPOH ~ America

    Please know that they make $ if you respond to them…

  • http://homeroomteacher.wordpress.com/ ebturner

    I have two flags in my Tennessee classroom: an American flag and a…TEXAS flag! :)

    (I’m originally from Texas)

    And the only presidential portrait I have on my wall is Gilbert Stuart’s famous painting of George Washington. I also have some pretty radical documents on my wall: the Declaration of Independence and the U.S. Constitution.

    • TexSizzle

      Tennessee should be proud of all their people who became heroes in the formation and independence of Texas. I hope you teach your students that bit of history. We in Texas appreciate it.

      • http://homeroomteacher.wordpress.com/ ebturner

        I do talk about it when the opportunity presents itself. I don’t teach pre-Civil War history, so I really don’t get a chance. They learn about that history in 8th grade.

  • RedSoloCup

    And the NEA and other lowlife unions will see to it she stays employed.

  • E Quilibrate

    Desecrate my flag w/pic of one of the worst examples of humanity this country
    has ever tried survive. Disgraceful, these are not teachers nor do they know
    anything about teaching. Fellow travelers every one.

  • ClinkinKY

    The 21st century equivalent of a Che Guevara poster

  • Dudley DoRight.

    I would love to urinate on the 0bama flag.

    • John Thomas “Jack” Ward III

      Keep it short-it might not burn when it’s wet… Jawamax 8<{D}

      • John Thomas “Jack” Ward III

        Or, Pi$$ Gasoline on it… Jawamax 8<{D}

  • http://homeroomteacher.wordpress.com/ ebturner


  • Citizen Loring

    People like that make me sick!!

  • dunst43

    Reagan was right again. He warned us.


  • Stu Gotts

    That flag is the most fascist display I’ve ever seen in these United States. What’s next? Brown shirts, jack boots, and Obama arm bands? Maybe they can fly that flag when they have their own little kristallnacht and torch all the Chick-Fil-A’s, Hobby Lobby stores, and whatever businesses the Koch Brothers own.

    Forward, Komrades!

  • chrisnfolsom

    So one lady does this and it’s a movement? i don’t think that a conservative who says that Obama should be killed is a movement -although I have seen it many, many times – and I have seen few “Christians” say wow, that is wrong, I see more “Amen to that”. So if you can’t, or don’t even control your own idiots why react to others?

  • John Thomas “Jack” Ward III

    That Flag PI$$ES ME OFF so Musch… But a TEACHER, Waving it as if she were some sort of Patriot?!? THAT’S EVEN WORSE! Jawamax 8<{D} #RightWard

  • agoodlife

    She needs to lose her job!

  • Coastie49

    That ol addage seems to apply here, once again…. Stupid is, as stupid does. Just one glance @ this misguided NEA twit speaks volumes.

  • Frustrated Teacher

    That is one flag I would have NO problems burning…

  • Michael

    to anyone that dismissed the pledge of obama, or the children performing military cadence for obama or PRAYING to obama as just overly excited people about the first black president….. this is where it leads to.. just like the death threats to the
    rodeo clown (eerily parallel to the muhhamad cartoon death threats) we’ve been
    conquered from within.

  • Frustrated Teacher

    Many in my profession shame me. But I teach with a pretty good group overall and many in the profession are more conservative than you think (especially in the south) so don’t let a couple of idiots represent all of us.