Parenting expert Amanda Marcotte: ‘What’s the harm’ in letting kids have sex at home?

Amanda Marcotte doesn’t understand the facts of life, but she’s somehow decided that when it comes to parenting, she’s got the fundamentals nailed:

No, really:

What would happen if parents embraced another possibility and actually accepted their teenagers’ sex lives, even going so far as to allow teenagers to have their boyfriend or girlfriend sleep over? After all, sleepovers will begin pretty much the second they walk out your door, so what’s the harm in letting it start a little earlier?

Allowing sleepovers in not a license for licentiousness. If anything, the practice even tends to reinforce the idea that sex is about relationships, whereas sneaking around lays the groundwork for the hookup culture that has caused so much hand-wringing of late. Parents actually have the power to lay the groundwork for more responsible behavior about sexual health and relationship management while making sex a little less illicit. Might not be such a terrible idea.

So many possible responses to that kind of garbage … but this one will do quite nicely:

She’s gross. Truly. But she couldn’t possibly get worse, right? Right?



Twitchy coverage of Amanda Marcotte

  • Peetweefish

    She’s an idiot but honestly in high school my girlfriend and I slept over at each others houses all the time. Not in the same room overnight mind you. We didn’t have sex until college and later I married her. I think it depends completely on the kids in question.

    That woman is a f****** idiot, though.

    • Patrick Goetz

      … and you’re a hypocrite.

    • Bathing Suit Area

      Wait, you’re saying that you had sex as a teenager and it didn’t ruin your life? Egad, we might need to rethink all of this alarmism.

      • Peetweefish

        Nearly 19 after being in a relationship for 4 years using multiple forms of birth control. Our parents didn’t raise irresponsible idiots even after allowing us to sleep over at each other’s houses.

        • grendelkhan

          So it’s almost as though your parents had a talk with you about the importance of birth control and the possibility of pregnancy, rather than just telling you that having sex “rob[s your] promised mate of what is rightfully his”? And encouraged you to see sex as part of a monogamous relationship?

          That’s interesting, because it’s pretty much exactly what Marcotte was talking about in the linked article (which the host cut the references out of). There’s even some research she linked to about how that’s the Dutch way of doing things, and they have a considerably lower rate of teen pregnancy than we Americans do.

          • Peetweefish

            We abstained because we understood the consequences. Our parents taught us responsibilty and self control not entitlement. No decision is without consequences and the potential consequences of pregnancy outweighed the instant gratification of sex.

            Simply banning stuff and creating a forbidden fruit environment doesn’t do anything. A parent’s job isn’t just to say no to irresponsible behavior but rather to give their children the tools to recognize consequence and make informed decisions. Also to take responsibility for any consequences.

          • Bathing Suit Area

            Sounds to me like you’re pretty much in agreement with most of what Amanda said.

          • Peetweefish

            And that is not likely to happen ever again. She’s an idiot but even a broken clock is right twice a day.

  • BoscoBolt

    ‘What’s the harm’ in letting kids have sex at home?

    Roman Polanski agrees.

    • trixiewoobeans

      The harm is, they might turn out like HER!

    • RememberSekhmet

      Sir, you win the thread. May I be the first to shake your hand?

    • tops116

      That’s the funniest comment I’ve seen in days. Bravo.

  • Maxx

    Followed nine months later with, “hey mom, can you watch the baby while I go to the mall?”

    Keep vomiting your ignorance, mind of mush Marcotte.

    • TJ

      Nah, 4 months later it will be Hey Mom can you drive me to Planned Parenthood to get some tissue removed. The dumb state made me do it before week 20 and I think I am at week 18.

      • tops116

        But then they spend two weeks protesting the law and Rick Perry instead of driving to the Planned Parenthood office down the block from their house.

      • LibLieExposer

        She could just go to CVS and pick up an abortion pill, no questions asked, at any age. But she’ll need an adult with photo ID to buy her nail polish remover to change her fingernail colors.

    • bicentennialguy

      More like, “Hey, Mom, can you watch the baby while I go out to find more anonymous sex partners?”

    • Republicanvet

      Oh but she, so formally, suggests sexual health and relationship management…like balancing your checkbook. What a nitwit!

      • Patrick Goetz

        I’m confused. Suggesting healthy relationships and sexual management means you’re a nitwit? Since you’re a Republican, you’re likely too ignorant to know that kids from conservative families who have signed abstinence pledges have the highest rate of STD infections (compared to other kids). oLet’s see if that percolates through your knucklehead somehow.

    • BlueGood

      Now what excitement of “Doing It” where and when you’re not supposed to if your parents are encouraging you to go to your bedroom??

      Okay so I was 18 and she was 19 and we always fooled around in the basement rec-room….only got caught once…and her older sister was discreet enough not to say anything until after we were married….LOL

    • tops116

      Which means in mine months, Amanda Marcotte will demand the right to have sex in public places like malls.

    • Bathing Suit Area

      If you actually read her article, you’d note that places where parents typically do allow their teenage children to sleep over actually have much lower rates of teen pregnancy than America.

      Feel free to keep enjoying your ignorance though.

    • Peetweefish

      Raise your kids to be responsible to the point where you’re not even worried when sleep overs occur. Worked with me and my wife when we were in high school. Abstained until college and used multiple forms of birth control because we are not irresponsible idiots. If you teenager views sex as consequence free you’ve failed as a parent. If they view it as something that requires a great deal of responsibility it’s probably ok to let them have sleep overs.

  • notenoughtime

    Are we not already seeing the damage from a free love, parents looking the other way society. Young, single individuals that do not represent a loving 2 parent home, with little to no education and no means of support is not a win/win situation. As a parent, I do not look to parenting experts like Marcotte, for advice. I look to the example set by my parents that did not allow sex in their home before marriage or the ability to take care of a child. Hope no one pays hard earned dollars for her “advice”.

  • Fire and Adjust!

    Amanda, how do you feel about people letting their kids play with loaded guns as long as they play with them in their own bedrooms? I mean, it COULD help make guns “a little less illicit” right? Maybe it would even “lay the groundwork for more responsible behavior”?

  • Steve_J

    If they want to have sex they can buy a 57 Chevy like everyone else.

  • Canadian in USA

    “… so what’s the harm in letting it start a little earlier?”

    Yeah, what could *possibly* go wrong? (/sarc)

  • OLLPOH ~ America

    Leave the Planet Now and Do Not Return!
    The answer is No.No.No.No.No.No.oooooooo

  • Clayton Grant

    People who don’t have children should not be giving advice on how to rear them.

    • MarcusFenix

      I’m not as much against those without children giving parents advice, as much as I am about people who don’t have children giving really horrible advice and thinking it’s good. :)

  • Magnifico

    Hey Mr. Smith, I’m going to bang your daughter now. While y’all are sitting around, have your wife make me a sammich for afterward.

    • The Penguin

      I think my daughter’s mother would have knuckled you before I did. Good one…funny sh*t!

      • CatHerder

        Too close to call. My daughter hated my rule (then, but loves it now) about having her suitors actually present themselves to me and my wife. Senor Horndog would enter the living room through the front hall, passing the crossed sabers (functional), to confront most teenagers’ worst nightmare-a wall of books. Turning, he would see me-and my sweet little wife suggested this-honing my skinning knife. Under a laden gun rack. I would rise, introductions would occur, and I would growl “Midnight, no later. Understand?”

        She was usually home by 11.

  • MarcusFenix

    Marcotte makes a point, but she doesn’t grasp the context. From her story:

    “Parents actually have the power to lay the groundwork for more
    responsible behavior about sexual health and relationship management…”

    This is true. Of course, parents teaching their children properly, having a working knowledge of their childs’ life, and instilling a solid moral sense of right and wrong, personal responsibility, and self respect……well, that’s not what she meant. But it works.

    Her message can be summed up in one statement: “It’s ok to be irresposible, as long as it’s here with me.”

    Greeeeaaaaattttttt parenting.

    • Bathing Suit Area

      Your summary of her message only makes sense if you’re of the assumption that sex is always necessarily irresponsible.

      • MarcusFenix

        When you’re discussing teenagers, irresponsible is the rule and not the exception. It’s not that kids can’t be responsible…but putting sexual relations into their shaky hands as a matter of being responsible is incredibly ignorant.

        • Bathing Suit Area

          If they’re old enough to be responsible for driving a car, I’d say they’re old enough to be responsible for driving a penis. Cars can do way more damage.

          • MarcusFenix

            And yet, auto accidents have it’s highest percentages with new drivers in their teens. Can they drive a car? Sure. But they’re not the safest with it. If there’s doubt about safety doing something like driving, why stretch that out to other activities as if they were going to be picture perfect?

          • Bathing Suit Area

            The risks of a 16 year old getting behind the wheel is greater than that of them hopping into bed. Yet unless the twitchy crowd are campaigning in secret to have the driving age raised, the general attitude around here seems to suggest the opposite.

          • The Penguin

            Since we’re “lumping” different issues together…should we perhaps allow for the right to purchase and carry a firearm at 16?…you know…since they’re okay to drive a car and all.

          • MarcusFenix

            As far as the Twitchy crowd is concerned…I can only speak for my own view on the matter, no more than others can speak for you. We’re all different people with different opinions and backgrounds, who agree and disagree. just how that is. I respect your point on this, even if we don’t completely see eye to eye.

            I do agree though…cars can be dangerous, for sure. But we could both agree that behavior which leads to pregnancy can be equally devastating. A fender bender doesn’t grow into a full human being that requires your constant care for the better part of two decades, and all of the issues that come with it. Missed opportunities, dreams left unfulfilled, and so on. It’s not that having a child obliterates those things, but it’s a preventable hurdle that doesn’t need to be cleared. Asking people who are traditionally and statistically going to engage in all manner of irresponsible behavior to suddenly act responsible is asking for trouble on some level, especially where it need not have happened in the first place.

            Just like not every teen crashes a car, not every teen couple becomes pregnant. But there are serious ramifications to both, which shouldn’t be marginalized.

            Marcotte, in my view…is advocating that it’s ok for teens to take on this behavior because the parents are supposed to be paying attention. But why take on riskier behavior if it’s not necessary? When you get into a wreck, your auto insurance can cover you. There’s no pregnancy insurance when that happens though.

            As old fashioned as it might be…I still believe that avoiding the risks are better than taking them and hoping the dice rolls in your favor.

          • Bathing Suit Area

            “I still believe that avoiding the risks are better than taking them and hoping the dice rolls in your favor.”

            So are you suggesting that ideally, teenagers shouldn’t drive, or that they shouldn’t have sex, or both?

          • MarcusFenix

            Why not both? When I was in high school, I had a vehicle and a license. I rode the bus to school my last 2 years, rather than drive like the other kids. Saved on gas, wear and tear on the car, and reduced the risk of an accident by not being behind the wheel, even though I worked my butt off to afford it and had to save for 2 years of summer jobs, plus part time stuff in the fall and winter weekends, to get it.

            Kids have this thing where at 16, they’re automatically entitled to a car. It’s as if not having one is a massive social failure. My son asked me for a car, for when he turned 16, a few months ago. I handed him a copy of the Classified ads and told him “There ya go….”. It wasn’t the answer he wanted, and gave me the “but you can afford it” speech. I relented that if he found a car for under 5k, I’d help him get it and pay his first month’s insurance, his first inspections and checkup, and his first oil change. Grades drop below 3.5 GPA….car is gone. He also has to take the bus for at least until he’s a senior and even then, he has to demonstrate he’s able to be responsible. That didn’t win me any points, but his safety (and others on the road) matter more than his approval on the matter.

            It’s not that he wont accept those risks, for both situations, at some point. But by laying the groundwork for being responsible when it counts…as his father, I think it will work better in the end.

            It’s not tough to actually parent a child, when they’re willing to allow your form of discipline to be the way of things. I don’t feel I was unfair, and it gives him something to work for.

            The other half of that is no different. There are ground rules. He’s chosen to accept them, because he came to the conclusion on his own that it would be best for him later. In the end, with both situations…it’s almost as if people have forgotten to be parents. They want to be the childs’ friend, and then wonder why the child doesn’t listen.

            So yeah..long and short of it…you can restrict those activities if you instill discipline and teach your children properly, and parent them instead of being their BFF.

            Vacation time….going outta town, have to pack for a weekender. Take it easy man.

          • Bathing Suit Area

            I’m still not getting the impression that you think you would have been better off if your parents had said “no driving while you live under my roof!”

            Enjoy your trip!

          • Bathing Suit Area

            My point in bringing up the driving analogy is that both sex and driving are adult activities, which carry risks.

            As teenagers grow up and start taking on more adult responsibilities, there are a few different approaches for parents to take. They can try to guide their children to take precautions and drive/bone safely, or they can take an absolute “never while you’re in my house” approach and then just was their hands of it once they’re out the door.

            What I’m really trying to understand is why the approach that is considered common sense for one activity is so unthinkable for the other.

          • The Penguin

            What do your friends think? And you also for that matter?

  • TocksNedlog


    • mickeyco

      And abstinence is a fine word, too, for teens.

      • towerclimber37

        it’s not even bad for a few adults I know!

  • Love of Country

    Libs have removed any need for a “child” to get a job and move out of their parent’s home. Libs riot in the streets for our tax dollars because they were raised incorrectly by their liberal parents.

    Oh, Sally? Yeah, she’s eight years old, now …. Of course I’d taught her everything there is to know about sex by the time she was six and then by the time she was seven she could already go down to the store by herself to get the morning-after pill. I’m just so proud of her and if I knew how to reach her father I’m sure he would tell you the same thing …. and we just love Barack Owebama … he’s just sooo Progressive!

    • ObamaFail

      Sally told me she plans on getting 5 abortions by her 16th birthday. Needless to say, everyone at the Occupy and Planned Parenthood rally couldn’t be happier for her.

  • AaronHarrisinAlaska

    Because mom and dad said no. We had this argument when we were all 3-17. The reason is always the same “because its my house, you just live here. I said no.”

    • grais

      The old “under My roof” routine.

      • AaronHarrisinAlaska

        Not even a Spock could argue its logic.

        • grais

          It’s amazing how we switch sides when we become parents with roofs.
          “Because I said so.” is another favorite.

          • AaronHarrisinAlaska

            Not really. As an adult you understand the mind of a teenager and know arguing with them is both futile and infantile.

          • Michael Anderson (WB)

            I remember being much more mature at 15 than my 15-year-old, but maybe my memory isn’t what it used to be.

  • FilleGitane

    Maybe she’s talking about those 26 year old children…

  • DaMello

    Not to judge Amanda by her looks, but, maybe she’s hoping to get in on the action. Any action!

    • The Penguin

      Yeah, I was thinking the same thing… And I am judging her by her looks. Course she’s much uglier on the inside.

  • LinTaylor

    Coming soon from Genius Marcotte: What’s the point of a legal age to have sex, anyway? It just makes kids want to do it even more. Just scrap the law and let everyone have sex with everyone else, it’s good for society.

    • tops116

      We’ll now be hearing arguments in favor of Prop 69, otherwise known as “Marcotte’s Law.”

    • Bathing Suit Area

      Name your wager.

  • AlmaAlma

    My friends parents were liberal like this. She has hit her 40s now, is onto her third marraige, her girlfriends at the time who used to party with her – one gang raped and murdered, the other a prostitute to pay for her drug addiction.

    Yep, no rules are good.

    • Bathing Suit Area

      So it’s either no sex in the house, or no rules at all? There’s no in between there, huh?

      • AlmaAlma

        lol, what’s the inbetween of sex or no sex?

        • Bathing Suit Area

          Nice moving goalposts.

  • The Penguin

    All this presidency has accomplished was to allow every angle of perversion to be outed, shoved in our faces, and to be applauded by the so-called “progressive” left. From douche bags like this idiot, to elected officials, to it becoming THE issue with regard to the Olympic games as opposed to the coming together as a Nation and cheering on our greatest athletes. We’re in a veritable toilet about to be flushed.

    • DaMello

      ^^^ This ^^^

    • Abiss

      Think of the upside though. You won’t feel so bad about having to shoot them when the time comes.

      • Bathing Suit Area

        Wow, murderous psychopath much?

        • Abiss

          Pfff. As if. You act like I’m advocating the killing of 30 mil black babies or something.

    • Bathing Suit Area

      I don’t think it’s really Obama who’s pushing Marcotte’s words at you. Twitchy is who you need to be mad at for that.

      • The Penguin

        K, BSA…as always…appreciate the input.

        • Bathing Suit Area

          You’re welcome.

  • Clete Torres

    One could be another of the drawbacks could be they would spawn another Amanda Marcotte.

  • Belinda Henry

    Its a weird concept, I’m going to say no.

  • Texan357

    Liberals are weird in the way that they are utterly oblivious to the consequences of their actions. They have absolutely no ability to forecast the obvious. It’s astonishing.

    • Abiss

      Once upon a time maybe. Now? Just sort of typical.

    • Bathing Suit Area

      There are other places in the world where this sort of thing is fairly routine, where liberals can look for evidence of the consequence of these sorts of ideas. The Netherlands is usually the go to example, what with their much lower teen pregnancy and std rates…

    • grendelkhan

      It’s interesting that you should mention consequences! The Marcotte story is presented as a set of handwavey ideas that some crazy liberal just made up, but the ellipsis in the middle cuts out a New York Times article and a review of Amy Schalet’s research.

      The Times article is anecdotal, but the interviewed parents who allow sleepovers say that it encourages their kids to think of sex as something that happens in a relationship, to be more responsible for their actions, and to be monogamous. All of these sound like things that conservatives should be very keen on. Schalet’s research is a more rigorous explanation of pretty much the same ideas.

      So it doesn’t seem like it’s the liberals here who are oblivious to the consequences of their actions. Sometimes nature surprises you; that’s why we do research and find out that the answers contradict our intuitions.

      • Kurt H

        Nonsense, grendelkhan. Everyone knows that science is a liberal conspiracy, and no amount of research can ever disprove conventional wisdom.

      • MarcusFenix

        I see your point. But the caveat is that the story focused on one set of parents, The Collins family, for what they did in their house. There was discussion of the boy’s parents..but not as much.

        It’s not that this kind of thing doesn’t work. I stayed at my girlfriend’s house many nights, before I was 18. But I was always on the couch…a rule that I was happy to abide by because her parents were good people and I’d have felt worse about breaking their trust than screwing their daughter. That came from being taught self respect and respect for others, having self control, and being taught right from wrong. Did it stop her and I from hooking up? Nope…because (as I pointed out to BTA) kids can’t be trusted. But I at least had the respect to do it elsewhere and be safe. Even with strict discipline from multiple sources and a good family upbringing….I was a 16 year old with a hot blonde for a girlfriend and nature didn’t surprise me when it won out.

        It’s not that conservatives aren’t keen to these ideas, anymore than liberals can be oblivious on this one. As much as people want to tow the “no sex before marriage” line…parts of me know how unrealistic that can be, especially in the social atmosphere we have now. But knowing how things can be, and working to make it better (in this case, better being defined as trying to prevent this sort of behavior to start with) doesn’t mean a lack of knowledge. It’s simply parents trying to stick with a particular set of moral principles.

        • Bathing Suit Area

          Do you feel that your teenage sex was bad for you, or that you would have been better off had your (or your girlfriend’s) parents worked harder at stopping you?

          Honest question. Amongst my friends (those who are open about discussing such topics, anyway) there’s nobody much who wishes they hadn’t had sex as a teenager. I run with a fairly careful crowd though, none of them stated having kids until their late 20s.

  • Tre

    Proverbs 26:4
    4 Do not answer a fool according to his folly,
    or you yourself will be just like him.

  • Jill

    I have seen the results of such permissiveness among the peers of my eldest child. It is not pretty. These children, at a time when they should be laying the foundation for a successful future, are being prematurely burdened with many of the complications of sex experienced too young. It is sad, really, and not something that society should strive to make a mainstream practice.

    • Bathing Suit Area

      “sex experienced too young”

      Out of curiosity, how old do you think is old enough?

      • MarcusFenix

        I’d say having a kid before like..17…might be a problem right? And before you nitpick with the quote…I’m going with the result of Jill’s story. Not just sex in general.

        • Bathing Suit Area

          Teenage years are too early for having children, yes. That’s why contraceptives exist.

          • MarcusFenix

            I can’t argue that…you’re correct. As I just mentioned below in a response to grendel, I know it’s unrealistic to expect teens to hold off till marriage and that kind of thing, no matter how much people wish to cling to that idea. It’s a lovely concept, but it’s not terribly effective.

            To me, however…if my 16 year old son is out doing whatever, it increases the risk of issues. I would be hard pressed to believe that he would, in the heat of a moment, have or even care about condoms. Or trusting that the girl is on the pill, much less taking it regularly. Just a whole series of things that can go wrong, that don’t really need to.

            At least for me…it’s better to not tempt fate.

          • Bathing Suit Area

            You know from your own experiences that parents will not be able to stop 16 year olds from having sex. You can however make sure he has access to condoms.

          • MarcusFenix

            I can’t disagree with that…i was a stupid kid once too. And there was a price to be paid for that behavior. When I discuss avoiding the risks, it’s because I’m well aware of the penalty. I lucked out in a respect, but we’d both just gotten out of high school and I was going to college. Her parents being well off didn’t hurt either. But if we had less of a support system from others, including financially, the mother and I would have been up sh!&s creek without a paddle..or the boat. For the record…her use of the pill was spotty at best, and we had a condom break. That is my above mentioned roll of the dice.

            FWIW…I don’t pretend that my kid hasn’t, or won’t, do these things. I just try my best to make sure he understands the position it put people in when irresponsible behavior comes home to roost. So far…the lesson has stuck to some degree, and he’s made decisions as of late (if he sticks to them) which I think are healthy. As a parent, all I can do is hope he sticks to it.


  • Garth Haycock

    What a vile waste of carbon she is.

  • detroit19

    Could you be any more stupid/naive non-parent moron?

    • tops116

      Like she won’t find a way to outdo herself tomorrow. Making an idiot out of herself is the only thing she excels at.

  • Abiss

    Y’all are hard on poor little Amanda. I dig chicks with Daddy issues. #separatingtheweakfromtheherd

  • Brother bob

    Wtf happened? Did her parents not believe in abortion?

    • tops116

      They probably do now, but it’s too late.

    • RalphTheCat

      Evidently not.
      That means they were conservatives and not liberal dimwits like this babe.

      • Bathing Suit Area

        Perhaps they did believe in abortion, but actually chose to have a child. Why do conservatives always forget that this is a possibility?

  • sandyaz

    Hopefully she’s childless and barren. Her (lack of) brilliance needs to be take with her to her grave and not passed on.

  • tops116

    “Hey, Mr. and Mrs. Smith, I got your pizza right here. I’ll just go upstairs and get my tip from your daughter. I’ll be done in 20 minutes or less.”

  • descolada9

    She should incompetent concepts of child rearing to the experts like Dr Benjamin Spock

  • Jeremy

    She lowers the bar of stupidity again but,she does blog for Slate.

  • Harbormaster

    Ms Marcotte,

    This is the advice I gave my teenage son. He hasn’t started dating yet, but I didn’t want to take the chance of him not getting these guidelines.

    “When you are out with a young lady, please remember that her body does not belong to you. It has been promised to the man God intends her to spend the rest of her life with. For you to take what does not belong to you is theft.

    You rob the young woman of the gift she is to give the man God intends for her to have.
    You rob her promised mate of what is rightfully his.
    You rob God of his sovereignty.

    Until you are with the woman God has created for you (married), it is inappropriate for two young people to touch each other anyplace that would be covered with a swim suit.”

    (I wish I had gotten that advice when I was 15.)

    I think my advice is better. But what the hell do I know? I’m a “knuckle dragging flat earther”, right?

    • Bathing Suit Area

      “anyplace that would be covered with a swim suit”

      Surely there’s a shorter phrase for that.

      • MarcusFenix

        Haha…I see what you did there. 😉

    • grendelkhan

      You have an interesting kink–the whole thing with highly valuing virginity and making sure that “her promised mate [gets] what is rightfully his”. I find it unappealing, but hey, more power to you! Just remember that by forcing your children to share in your kink, you’re probably harming them.

      Because based on the evidence, your advice is not better. No, your intuitions and traditions are not better than evidence. This doesn’t make you a knuckle-dragging flat-earther; it just makes you wrong. And that’s okay; we’ve all been wrong about things, even things we care about.

      • Harbormaster

        Typical lib. You don’t tell me you disagree, you tell me I’m wrong.
        Who made you a f*cking judge?
        An “interesting kink”? Is that what you think I tried to convey?

        If my son follows my advice he will not contract an STD and he will not impregnate a young woman out of wedlock. Personally, I see nothing but positives there.

        It’s not about what I say, it’s about what God says.

        • Bathing Suit Area

          ” You don’t tell me you disagree, you tell me I’m wrong. ”

          Something of a tangent, but is there really any difference between “I disagree” and “I think you’re wrong”?

        • Bathing Suit Area

          “If my son follows my advice he will not contract an STD”

          Wedding rings do not magically protect against infections.

          • Suegirly

            Actually, in our world they do. I know you will never believe this, but there is a “magical” world where both men and women wait until marriage to have sex and stayfaithfully married till death do us part. I realize this is an ever-shrinking world, but my husband and I live in it as do my son and his wife and my daughter and her husband. Absolutely zero worries about STDs ever!

    • Bathing Suit Area

      Why do you put this all in terms of who owns or has control of the girl’s body? (Not to mention ignoring the fact that she herself may have opinions on what to do with it.)

      Would you warn your daughters about stealing the gift that a boy owes to his future wife?

      • brewerandpatriot

        A boy/young man’s “gift” is often given to multiple boxes of Kleenex before ever getting to his eventual mate. On the other hand, female virginity can be lost while riding a horse…

  • Damien Johnson

    How much longer till we get a nation full of “go away, baitin’!” people? #idiocracy

  • Abbot

    This be-otch just. won’t. quit.

    Your little girl’s mind and body are merely tools to further her angry agenda. Her referenced ‘studies’ are irrelevant.

    • Bathing Suit Area

      Studies? We don’t need no stinkin’ studies. We make all decisions based on stereotypes and folk sayings.

  • The Jackal


  • thesentree

    Goetz – you are a toxin.

  • Jay

    Case in point.

  • William Carr

    Ah, no, that’s a lie.

  • Bathing Suit Area

    The Netherlands are the usual point of comparison here, and they have a much lower abortion rate than the US.

  • Bathing Suit Area

    I don’t think that anybody is claiming that sex equates to love, or that children shouldn’t be taught morals.

    The difference is that we don’t think teaching morals necessarily equates to “don’t have sex”.

  • Patrick Goetz

    Wow, an entirely uninformed post on a right wing website — how could this happen? No, I don’t believe everything I read, but am nevertheless sorry that facts have a well known liberal bias. I do have children and will hazard that I know considerably more about mental/emotional development than you do, unless you’re also both an educator of young people and well-read in this area. (If you’re on twitchy, it’s unlikely that you’ve ever read a book, so I’ll assume the answer is no.) For a conservative to talk about “responsibility for others” is a hoot. Yes, let’s eliminate social security so that old people can go back to eating dog food like they used to in the good old days — fuck ’em. As a mature adult, OF COURSE I’m not in favor of removing age of consent laws. But do you really believe that these are keeping any teenager from having sex? Finally, as much as I don’t like the idea of my kids having sex as teenagers the facts (remember, those inconvenient things conservatives are allergic to) suggest that I’m better off trying not to freak out about it:

    Sleepovers have been normalized in the Netherlands for decades now, and as social scientist Amy Schalet’s research suggests, the results have been generally positive. By demonstrating acceptance and respect for their kids’ relationships, Dutch parents, on average, enjoy more communication with their kids about sex and relationships
    than American parents do, which in turn means the kids are more likely to get the health care and education they need to prevent STIs and unwanted pregnancy. Oh, and the teenage pregnancy rate in the Netherlands is nearly four times lower than ours.