Ebony magazine demands repeal of Stand Your Ground laws with four different Trayvon covers [pics]

Much like Obama’s push to pass new gun restrictions while demagoguing the Newtown, Conn., shooting, many are calling for the repeal of Stand Your Ground laws, despite the fact that Florida’s law had nothing to do with the Zimmerman verdict.

Now, Ebony magazine is joining the fray with four different “We Are Trayvon” covers for its September issue. At least three of the four covers explicitly call for repeal of Stand Your Ground laws.

Here’s a closer look at the cover featuring pro basketball player Dwayne Wade:

It’s much easier to slap on a hoodie and pretend to fight for social justice than to recognize a black American is more likely to be murdered by another black American than some “White Hispanic” man.

  • alanstorm

    Are they saying that the editors are stupid, violent punks, or is it the readers?

    • IMPEACH_BOBO

      Both are stupid, violent punks, notice too, ebony didn’t mention how the RACIST trayvon said CREEPY ARSE CR@CKER either, that is selective editing if I have ever seen it !!!!!!!

  • Magnifico

    Repeal ‘Stand Your Ground’, because we want thugs to feel safer when they attack you.

    • Elaine

      Ebony “DEMANDS?”

      • grais

        funny stuff, innit?

    • $30423294

      I bet serial killers wish there was a law against crying for help when you are grabbed from behind. Those pesky screams interrupt the whole thing and they don’t give the murderer a fighting chance.

      It’s not fair!

      Liberalism is a sickness. If your friends and neighbors are liberals, they are part of this. They tacitly approve of this madness.

    • $30423294

      I bet serial killers wish there was a law against crying for help when you are grabbed from behind. Those pesky screams interrupt the whole thing and they don’t give the murderer a fighting chance.

      It’s not fair!

      Liberalism is a sickness. If your friends and neighbors are liberals, they are part of this. They tacitly approve of this madness.

    • $30423294

      Dishonest financial services salesmen wish there was a law to prevent the consumer from reading contracts before signing them.

      Such laws are not fair to con-men. They need a fighting chance to steal your money!

      Liberalism is a stain on the history of ideas.

    • Jeremy

      That is what they are saying with this B.S.

  • BoscoBolt

    LOL.

  • CatHerder

    Does “We are all Trayvon”=”We are all violent thugs who will attack you like a rabid dog?” Just trying to get it straight here.

    • $30423294

      You summed it up well.

      I understand that some people are mentally confused and can’t see the error in this.

      But I am disgusted with the leftists who have their wits about them, and who still cheer on this madness, knowing how immoral and unjust it is.

    • $30423294

      You summed it up well.

      I understand that some people are mentally confused and can’t see the error in this.

      But I am disgusted with the leftists who have their wits about them, and who still cheer on this madness, knowing how immoral and unjust it is.

    • GaryTheBrave

      Look at their demeanor. They all look like wannabe thugs.

      • TheOven

        So they’re not actually thugs then?

      • Fashion Capitol

        Or it could be that the assumption is that a man of color in a hoodie is reagarded as a thug no matter how much money or position he has.

        • Noah

          maybe you could use a photo avatar that isnt photoshopped to make nancy pelosi human looking….

      • KA

        Funny you should say that. Fathers embracing their sons is now seen as the demeanor of a “wannabe thug”. Gotcha.

        • GaryTheBrave

          Take a look at their demeanor. They are all scowling. Not one single smile. Fathers hugging their kids would be smiling along with their children. Their expressions each say, “I want to hurt you.”

          • KA

            Their demeanor says no such thing. If these were white fathers and sons, that thought would NEVER have crossed your mind. This case is nothing to smile about. A young man was killed, and not because he was up to no good, but because he was profiled by a bumbling vigilante. So please excuse all us “ungrateful” black folks if we don’t smile over a very serious matter.

          • GaryTheBrave

            A young man was killed, and not because he was up to no good

            Seriously? That “young man” was BASHING GEORGE ZIMMERMAN’S HEAD ON THE SIDEWALK TRYING TO REALLY KILL HIM!

            How DARE you assume what I would think if they were white. YOU JUST PROFILED ME, RACIST.

          • KA

            Their demeanor says no such thing, and I suspect you know this. If these were white fathers and sons, that thought would NEVER have crossed your mind. This case is nothing to smile about. A young man was killed, and not because he was up to no good, but because he was profiled by a bumbling vigilante. So please excuse all us “ungrateful” black folks if we don’t smile over a very serious matter. We are not obligated to smile and shove our concerns aside for the sake of your comfort.

  • Brandon Goeringer

    “A black life only has a value when that black life is taken by a person that is non-black.” – CutRockPlanet

    Everyone always wants some “other group” to change and never themselves.

    • michael s

      So do white people. . Whites are still obssesed on OJ getting away with killing his wife, but silent on Baretta getting away with killing his wife. As a matter of fact even complained on how rude piers morgan was to Baretta.

      • ObamaFail

        We don’t care about OJ. We only bring it up to point out how childish it was that people started rioting and attacking people just because Zimmerman was found not guilty. We point out how pathetic it is that black people wanted to use the case as an excuse to loot and riot, when back when OJ got off for butchering his wife, no white person rioted.

        • michael s

          White people rioted in Oakland Ca after the Zimmerman acquital, Got very little coverage.Typical downplaying of white violence.

          • ObamaFail

            In Oakland? Where white liberals are so full of white-guilt that they think they are black? And they were white liberals, meaning they were members of the Occupy movement. People who also like any excuse to loot, vandalize, and riot. So they were people who wanted to pretend to care about Trayvon, so they went out and rioted with their black friends, who also pretended to care about Trayvon so they could use it as an excuse to loot and riot.

          • ObamaFail

            In Oakland? Where white liberals are so full of white-guilt that they think they are black? And they were white liberals, meaning they were members of the Occupy movement. People who also like any excuse to loot, vandalize, and riot. So they were people who wanted to pretend to care about Trayvon, so they went out and rioted with their black friends, who also pretended to care about Trayvon so they could use it as an excuse to loot and riot.

          • Shawn Smith

            It didn’t get downplayed because they were white, dumbass. It got downplayed because they were leftists. And the leftist media has to pretend that leftists are all full of peace & joy while conservatives are vicious & dangerous.

          • ObamaFail

            The liberal media downplays anything that makes you violent liberals look bad. Especially when one of your liberal ilk raped a woman at an occupy rally. The media downplayed that, because it showed how inhuman you libs are. The liberal media also downplayed the black riots because they couldn’t paint violent rioters attacking innocent white people as victims when they were on tape burning businesses down and turning cop cars over.

          • Spinmamma

            You are kidding, right? Just throwing a little chum in the water?

          • VerminMcCann

            Is this a bit? You’re doing a bit, right?

          • $448619

            Because it never happened. It would have been EVERYWHERE.

          • Elaine

            You have a severe case OJ syndrome. If someone tells you something enough times, lie or not, you believe it. Better get what’s left of your brain checked out. I think it’s been washed?

        • michael s

          White people rioted in Oakland Ca after the Zimmerman acquital, Got very little coverage.Typical downplaying of white violence.

      • ObamaFail

        We don’t care about OJ. We only bring it up to point out how childish it was that people started rioting and attacking people just because Zimmerman was found not guilty. We point out how pathetic it is that black people wanted to use the case as an excuse to loot and riot, when back when OJ got off for butchering his wife, no white person rioted.

      • Jim Denney

        That’s because Baretta was a “white Italian.” No, really he was … they said so on CNN.

      • Jim Denney

        That’s because Baretta was a “white Italian.” No, really he was … they said so on CNN.

      • The Penguin

        Yup…all that rioting “whites” did after the OJ acquittal was absolutely heinous. And of course all of those “white” magazines covering our outrage over Baretta being so wrongly accused is sooooo memorable also. You got nothin’.

      • GaryTheBrave

        His name’s not Baretta. That’s the character he played. The actor is Robert Blake, the character was Tony Baretta.

        • michael s

          Robert Blake isn’t his name either.

          • waterytart

            I remember him as Mickey Gubatosi………there’s an age indicator right there!

          • GaryTheBrave

            What the credits read.

          • Noah

            lemme guess, you’re gonna say Robert Blake’s really George Zimmerman, right?

      • $448619

        No so fast, McGrath…they should have BOTH fried for that. Period.

    • michael s

      So do white people. . Whites are still obssesed on OJ getting away with killing his wife, but silent on Baretta getting away with killing his wife. As a matter of fact even complained on how rude piers morgan was to Baretta.

    • TheOven

      So you agree that the SYG law should be repealed – or are you saying some “other group” should change and not you?

      • Brandon Goeringer

        I used the word everyone in general. If I was to add to my comment it would be that “everyone thinks this so we have ideological stalemate.” I didn’t focus on the SYG element in story but more the ignoring of black on black violence unless it pushes an agenda, which involves the “other group” changing.

      • mike_in_kosovo

        *I’m* saying that some other group should change – the idiots currently calling to change SYG should actually get EDUCATED on the law and it’s application – in particular, the fact that SYG laws have been of GREATER benefit to Black defendants than to Whites.

        The fact that they would then realize that SYG had *NOTHING* to do with the Zimmerman case would be a bonus.

        • go go

          Yes, it was more about racism, stalking, and the murder of a kid by a scared pussy.

          • mike_in_kosovo

            Yes, it was more about racism, stalking, and the murder of a kid by a scared pussy.

            You mean the racism that the FBI couldn’t find, even after an investigation?

            Martin had broken contact and was 100 yards down the sidewalk behind Green’s house, according to Jenteal’s testimony… so how did Zimmerman “stalk” someone he couldn’t see?

            Self-defense isn’t murder.

            So, evidently your argument is more about you being an idiot that couldn’t be bothered to do 5 minutes worth of research to actually find out any FACTS, than anything having to do with reality.

            Glad to see your Fool-Aid® IV is running full-bore, though.

          • Noah

            you’re adorable. and probably a real badass mofo at the mall you hang out at.

  • Jack Deth

    In the overall scheme of things in the real world. Ebony magazine has about as much social and political throw weight as early editions of Heavy Metal and High Times magazines.

    Zero. Divided equally!

  • OpenTheDoor

    Funny how the perps always want victims disarmed.
    It isn’t rocket science.

    • go go

      White conservatives are only victims of their hatred and ignorance.

      • Ronald Green

        Another intelligent post from the left. Can’t you people do better?

      • rickg62

        Sure sounds like you’re the only ignorant one here. You obviously have zero knowledge of the case, just what your heroes Sharpton and Jackson have fed you.

      • Shawn Smith

        So you admit that Treyvon Martin wasn’t a “victim of . . . hatred and ignorance” but mostly of his own violent tendencies?

        Of course, contrary to the lying media, Zimmerman wasn’t white or conservative either so there’s that.

      • michael s

        However when its this man .Self defense shouldn’t have applied. he shouldn’t have left his house,shouldn’t have started the conflict,shouldn’t have been waving a gun(even though Danielle james who watched her father get killed said she didnt see a gun),James had a right to follow him and throw him to the ground even when he say I dont want to fight you ,with his hands in the air. Trevor was supposed to let a younger taller stronger musclebound excellently conditioned trained killer choke him.All the reasons and more used when youre Black.Watch what Danielle James had to say about her own dad.
        http://www.wtsp.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=282865.

        • mike_in_kosovo

          As many times as you’ve been proven completely WRONG in that case, I can only conclude that you’re either a moron or a m@sochist for continuing to bring it up.

  • Shawn Smith

    If they truly want to “save their sons”, then maybe they should consider advocating for whole families, with a married mother and father. Children from those families have markedly lower rates of participation in violent crime, which is what got Treyvon killed.

    Or they can continue to blame whitey. I’m sure that course will be productive too.

  • The Penguin

    So being beaten while “lying” on your back is the same as “standing” your ground.

    • MrApple

      It was more like “laying your ground.”

    • Noah

      no, zimmerman was depriving trayvon of the right to attack any white person. that’s a hate crime /sarc

  • $29520529

    Professional Victocrats. Hey folks this is what you voted for, Obama’s new America! Enjoy.

  • Shawn Smith

    Remember, our Attorney General said when we feel threatened we have a duty to retreat. The most moral thing to do is cede our streets and cities to the most violent and ruthless among us. Of course, if you have an entire generation that has never been taught basic morals such as courage, this kind of statement makes perfect sense.

    • Clete Torres

      Screw Holder and his cowardly advice.

    • Clete Torres

      Screw Holder and his cowardly advice.

  • Phil Kruse

    The message I get is they are all drug using, violent, racist, criminals. Am I missing the point?

    • Bathing Suit Area

      Yes. Admitting this is the first step.

  • RblDiver

    “We are all Trayvon.” Because nothing says we care like glorifying an attempted murderer.

    • RblDiver

      “5 ways to stop gun violence” #’s 1-4: Have “baby daddies” marry and stay with their families. 5: Stop glorifying the “gangsta” lifestyle.

    • Shawn Smith

      The “civil rights icons” have grown increasingly pathetic as they’ve moved from real struggles to fighting imaginary racism. Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. was a flawed, but very courageous man, willing to risk everything for a vision of America of equality.

      Rodney King was a junkie who wouldn’t respond to police orders and behaved threateningly & bizarrely. He didn’t deserve what he got, but he was neither innocent nor principled. Treyvon Martin was . . . do I even have to go on? I’m sorry he’s dead, but there’s no one to blame but himself (and possibly his parents.)

      • therealguyfaux

        And just to give you an idea of how the whole Rodney King story has been reported– the Mexican-American cop (acquitted, twice), who appears to be “stomping” King by stepping on his back, was actually trying to hold him down, telling him “Don’t get up, or they’ll whup you some more!” Of course, this part is never recalled. Easier to “print the legend,” as John Ford might have said.

        • CherDash

          Reginald Denny is forgotten in all the hoopla.

          • therealguyfaux

            Tell me that, in the back of people’s minds, the thought that “George Zimmerman, minus gun, equals Reg Denny” never occurred to anyone. That is, anyone who remembers Denny (even if not by name, i.e., as “that truck driver”). Those who do, might have made that connection.

          • Guest

            Where did I say that?

          • therealguyfaux

            Black kid going to town whaling away on a seemingly defenseless victim. GZ pulls gun. RD does not. Effect on GZ (broken nose) versus effect on RD (fractured cranium, continuing difficulties even today speaking and maintaining balance). GZ could easily have been RD, “but for the grace of God and Samuel Colt,” as they said back in the Wild West days.
            That’s what I was referring to. The question was rhetorical and not necessarily directed at your post.
            Somebody, please come up with a “rhetorical-Q” mark (maybe “/rhet-?”)

  • Swoltz

    Why are there still only “black” magazines anyway? How many are there now? Kind of racist, if you ask me.

    • ObamaFail

      I bet if I started a magazine called “Ivory” that was exclusively about white people, guys like Dwayne Wade would cry racism.

      • alanstorm

        I never bet against a sure thing.

      • alanstorm

        I never bet against a sure thing.

  • Chevypowered

    I have seen and read stories of hundreds (hell thousands)of Black Teens dying tragically. Those who had promise, those who had a future, those who was ready to give back to society. Those whose lives were snatched a way by drive-by’s, gang shootings, stray bullets, abuse, and beatings. Yet leave it to us to martyr this kid whose life was one social train wreck after another. Trayvon authored his fate and he wrote his ending.

    Now Trayon Martin is the poster child for violence against blacks. The same Trayvon who had no problem using violence on others.

    Sad.

    • MrApple

      Very true and now that the “pissed off” portion of Black America has put all their eggs in the Tryavon basket they couldn’t back down now without losing significant face in the public and political arena. They are forced to support a losing team even as the evidence stacks up against them and makes their unyielding Trayvon support look foolish and misguided.

    • Bathing Suit Area

      “Now Trayon Martin is the poster child for violence against blacks. ”

      No, you seem to have misunderstood the liberal view on this. Trayvon Martin is the poster child for the criminal justice system viewing violence against blacks and saying, “Great shot, keep up the good work.”

      • Chevypowered

        No I understand quite clearly. I understand when it comes to liberals that if Zimmerman was Black it would be just another “wrong place, wrong time” incident, or “Just another rough day in the hood.”

        Example. Fourth of July weekend 64 shootings 11 murders in Chicago. Where were you? Or are you just like most liberals. You hang by your police scanner until you hit the jackpot? You know the “Black guy down, shot by White, or Jewish guy?” Then you deploy the liberal bat signal, swoop in to save the day.

        You guys are fun you know that. You treat us like animals. When we kill each other it’s just the “call of the wild.” but when a non-black do it to us you treat them like poachers disrupting the natural habitat of us wiping ourselves out.

        Nice.

      • $30423294

        You are immoral.

      • Lisa Dean

        So @bathingsuitarea:disqus, how does the criminal justice system view the violence of blacks on blacks in Chicago and other areas? How does the liberal black community feel about the same violence? How does Ebony magazine feel about the same violence? Wait, what is that I’m hearing *crickets*, yes that’s what they think about it.

      • The Penguin

        So, you are the voice of the liberal view? And because you, and those you supposedly represent, didn’t like the verdict in this particular case, the criminal justice system is advocating and even promoting gun violence against blacks? Wow! That’s quite a reach there, even for you. I thought the judgement was based on the State not presenting enough evidence to convict GZ.

  • Keith

    White hispanics-1
    Skittles eating, cracker hating, weed smoking, suspension from school for stealing, gangsta wannabe-0

  • sickofitall1096

    If I’m not mistaken don’t those who benefit the most from the SYG laws happen to be black?

    http://dailycaller.com/2013/07/16/blacks-benefit-from-florida-stand-your-ground-law-at-disproportionate-rate/

  • grais

    How douche

  • michael s

    You are aware that a white person is more likely to be murdered by another white person ,white non hispanic or white hispanic Rockne Newell (newest active shooter fits the definition just like the other 80%) Nathan Louis Campbell(Venice Beach Car killer).Once again Black people fighting against injustice is mocked,Civil rights Pigford Stop and frisk now SYG.Yet the people who attack us for fighting against injustice claim they’re the civil rights champions. SYG should be repealed because its applied unjustly. SYG self defnse claim didn’t help this person .The 2nd pic proves why some get justice even if that person is a younger taller stronger excellently conditioned musclebound trained killer that was on top of the 1st person choking him.

    • Keith

      Justice was done. Maybe you missed the trial of a jury by his peers. That is the system we have. Stop whining like s lil beyotch.

    • Keith

      Justice was done. Maybe you missed the trial of a jury by his peers. That is the system we have. Stop whining like s lil beyotch.

    • alanstorm

      And black people are more likely to be killed by another black person – and in disproportionate numbers. What’s your point, assuming you have one?

    • MarcusFenix

      Second time you’re about to get fact checked…on the same thread, no less.

      Using the SYG as part of the arugment doesn’t fly, since it wasn’t even applied in the Martin case. People calling for a repeal of a law that wasn’t even used as a defense is ignorant. It’s also ignorant of centuries of common law and practice. You can reference the Castle Doctrine as a specific reference which falls under the same idea. A person, with a right to be in said location, has the right to defend themselves against an aggressor with equal force. In the Castle Doctrine, it is within a person’s home. The SYG law is simply the common sense extension of that to public places, sidewalks, etc….places where the person has a lawful right to be, and doesn’t require them to run away if they are being attacked.

      So your argument that it should be repealed, while lacking any real substance, goes against centuries of case law, common law, and general common sense.

      As far as killings for white on white, or black on black, those are a matter of context. The numbers you’re citing, for example, only show single offender with a single victim. In cases where there are multiple assailants or victims, I’ll let you Google/Bing where those stats go. All of those murders are sad, but it doesn’t change the nature of the stats. Not even sure why you bothered mentioning white on white violence, since that has nothing to do with murdering of blacks, by anyone, with regards to the story.

      For fast reference…..Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom are an excellent starting point to search for cases.

      • michael s

        Di the rapists killers of Christian Newsom have a long time to be free ? NO. Police quickly arrested them. Did the rapists killers get bail ? NO. Have they been imprisoned since their arrests? YES. Were they convicted of all charges? YES. Where is the injustice for the Christian Newsom family? These charges of injustice regarding this case is hollow.

        • MarcusFenix

          My point wasn’t about the swiftness of justice in that case, but merely that your stats were directly about single offender/single victim offenses. Once you break away from that, the numbers immediately are skewed against you. Apologies if that wasn’t clear….though an entire paragraph dedicated to that fact,with that case as a reference should have been…

        • Lisa Dean

          Where was the outcry for the offenses carried out against Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom by four black men and one black woman from the liberal blacks during that time?

    • mike_in_kosovo

      ANOTHER mention of the SYG case that wasn’t?

      Quelle surprise….

      “Sorry, your Race Card has been declined – please attempt your argument with a VALID form of reasoning.”

      • Noah

        “please attempt your argument with a Valid form of reasoning”

        do you think the guy is even capable of ATTEMPTING a valid form of reasoning?! I hope you’re not holding your breath.

    • Ronald Green

      Try goggling Roderick Scott and stop your sniveling, Liberals always want to ignore the truth in favor of their made up lies.

    • Noah

      Number 1: you’re a half-wit
      number 2: Stand Your Ground wasnt used in the trial of Zimmerman (it was waived)
      number 3: You do realize that the jury in the zimmerman case are not the same six (or 12) people deliberating every fucking murder case in this country, right? kinda unfair to compare the decisions reached in the two cases.
      number 4: Your Momma.

  • MWBRI

    Wouldn’t the celebs in three out of four of the covers regularly use professionals packing heat to protect themselves and their families? Hypocrites one and all . . .

    • ObamaFail

      I think this is really another celebrity scam to disarm the poor. They want guns out of the hands of law-abiding citizens, but it’s okay for criminals and the wealthiest people’s armed guards to have them.

      • MWBRI

        Yep, and ironically the ones most at risk to be victims of violence out of all these covers, are Trayvon’s mother, father, and brother (I believe?)–and it is all because liberal tripe on guns.

      • MWBRI

        Yep, and ironically the ones most at risk to be victims of violence out of all these covers, are Trayvon’s mother, father, and brother (I believe?)–and it is all because liberal tripe on guns.

    • ObamaFail

      I think this is really another celebrity scam to disarm the poor. They want guns out of the hands of law-abiding citizens, but it’s okay for criminals and the wealthiest people’s armed guards to have them.

  • ObamaFail

    Let’s all be honest with ourselves. If Zimmerman had been unarmed that night, Trayvon would currently be someone’s prison wife because he would have successfully beaten Zimmerman to death, and then been charged with murder.
    Trayvon isn’t the innocent little victim that they paint him as. He had a history of violent behavior, and a witness saw him holding Zimmerman down and beating his head in. The kid decided to play thug, and got himself shot.

    Black people don’t care about Trayvon. They just want to pretend that Stand Your Ground laws only apply for white people, because they want to fee like they are victims of the law. And it does need to be pointed out to them that the reason a black person would ever be a “victim” of a SYG law is if they were threatening the life of someone who ended up being forced to defend themselves. If they don’t want to get shot by a law-abiding gun owner, don’t try to attack said law-abiding gun owner.

    Race-baiters wanting SYG laws repealed want to make sure that thugs and criminals can rob, rape, and murder without fear of their victim being able to protect themselves. And I see they still don’t give two craps about all of the black people murdered by other black people, or white people murdered by black people. No, they only care about what they can cry racism and play the victim card over.

    • Clayton B

      I’d like to offer another opinion on your statement. The Florida SYG law, if applied -and ‘won’, provides immunity not just against criminal charges but also against civil suits (aka money). Parks and Crump, The National Bar Association (NBA) -one of the oldest organizations of African-American lawyer groups, and the ‘Black Grievance Industry’ (BGI), are the most vocal, and financially backed, opposed ‘groups’, to the SYG laws in FL. While SYG was never applied to the Zimmerman trial, it has been used as a launch platform to twist SYG laws as ‘racist’. This has never been about ‘justice’ it has been about money.

    • Bathing Suit Area

      No witnesses actually saw Trayvon hit George, or how the fight started.

      • mike_in_kosovo

        And you think that has any applicability to the outcome, why?

      • Lisa Dean

        Ah, same argument, different day. At least you’re consistent @bathingsuitarea:disqus

        • Bathing Suit Area

          People keep pushing the same falsehoods, I keep calling them on it.

          • Lisa Dean

            Wrong, it’s only one person and that would be you. You weren’t there, you weren’t a witness and you don’t know what happened. You supply your own speculation of what you wish could explain away the things that have already been proven in a court of law. Let it go and offer your speculative BS elsewhere. Because only you believe what you post on anything that has to do with TM

          • GaryTheBrave

            You are absolutely right. For all we know Trayvon may have pushed the trigger while trying to take the gun away from George. It’s plausible.

          • Thomas, Snarkmaster General

            “I keep pushing the same falsehoods, people keep calling me on it.”

            Fixed it for you.

          • GaryTheBrave

            How do you know they’re falsehoods? During the trial most forensic witnesses for the prosecution confirmed Zimmerman’s story.

          • Bathing Suit Area

            They confirmed that his story could have happened. Not that it did. No witnesses saw the fight start, and no amount of pretending that they did will change that.

  • paevo

    WE BE TRAYBONE…

  • paevo

    WE BE TRAYBONE…

  • paevo

    Please repeal “Stand Your Ground” because black males already kill each other so often that if they begin to be killed by whites in self-defense they will likely become extinct.

    • ObamaFail

      11,000+ black people have been gunned down by other black people since thug Martin got himself shot. But no black person or white liberal will ever care about that, because they can’t use it to start race riots or help make Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson richer.

    • ObamaFail

      11,000+ black people have been gunned down by other black people since thug Martin got himself shot. But no black person or white liberal will ever care about that, because they can’t use it to start race riots or help make Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson richer.

  • paevo

    Please repeal “Stand Your Ground” because black males already kill each other so often that if they begin to be killed by whites in self-defense they will likely become extinct.

  • ToyZebra

    1960s: march peacefully for civil rights

    2013: riot, wear hoodies, and try to repeal a law that helps blacks

    • michael s

      The only people that rioted in 2013 were whites in Oakland after the Zimmerman acquittal.

      • ObamaFail

        Give me a break. You are ignoring the thousands of black people in Oakland rioting. You have selective eye sight. Although, I see why you refuse to admit how many black people made fools of themselves. It shows that they are all just as violent as Trayvon Martin.

        • michael s

          If that were true why didn’t the conservative media FNC breitbart twitchy newsbusters cover it ,because your statement is wrong Liberal and Conservative media which should be called WSM wouldn’t pass that up.

          • GaryTheBrave

            Twitchy is a Twitter aggregator and they did cover any tweets from protests.

          • ObamaFail

            You don’t even actually pay attention to the news, do you? Maybe you should watch a little less Al Sharpton and MSNBC and watch something that doesn’t pander to the mouthbreathers, like yourself.

          • Thomas, Snarkmaster General

            Ummmm…Twitchy DID cover it.

      • MarcusFenix

        They did. Because Google is a thing:

        http://twitchy.com/2013/07/14/kill-pigs-anti-cop-vandals-in-oakland-riot-smash-windows-burn-flags-over-zimmerman-verdict-photosvideo/

        Even a cursory Google image search of “Oakland riot 2013 & Trayvon Martin” immediately shows you don’t know what you’re talking about. Did you even think about what was being typed before you hit post? Somehow, I doubt it.

        Some of the pictures in Oakland were predominantly black…others had a decent mix, but there’s no random roaming crowds of white people doing things…and I’d imagine something like that would have been newsworthy.

        Just a little fact checking, ya know?

        • alanstorm

          Don’t you know that using facts on a liberal is considered disproportionate force? After all, they rarely have any to use themselves…and don’t know how to use them, either.

          • MarcusFenix

            I never said I was interested in a fair fight, or against using overwhelming/disproportionate force. 😉

            I think there are a few smart liberals out there…but like the mythical unicorn, its trying to find one that is the challenge.

            Maybe they -do- exist somewhere, and just need the right prodding?

        • mike_in_kosovo

          “Just a little fact checking”

          Facts have no meaning to michael s…

      • Noah

        WHAT?!?

        i dont think even you phucking believe that one.

    • michael s

      The only people that rioted in 2013 were whites in Oakland after the Zimmerman acquittal.

  • ToyZebra

    1960s: march peacefully for civil rights

    2013: riot, wear hoodies, and try to repeal a law that helps blacks

  • ObamaFail

    Here’s a statistic that race-baiters don’t care about. Mostly because they can’t use it for their own gain.

  • ObamaFail

    Here’s a statistic that race-baiters don’t care about. Mostly because they can’t use it for their own gain.

  • Steve_J

    That will mean more black people will be going to prison in Florida if SYG is repealed.

    • ObamaFail

      Yep. Because if they successfully rape, murder, or rob someone, they will go to prison for the crime. Although, then people like Spike Lee would pretend they only got arrested for being black.

      • Steve_J

        No, because if they defend themselves they wouldn’t be able to use the SYG law.

    • ObamaFail

      Yep. Because if they successfully rape, murder, or rob someone, they will go to prison for the crime. Although, then people like Spike Lee would pretend they only got arrested for being black.

  • Steve_J

    That will mean more black people will be going to prison in Florida if SYG is repealed.

  • The Masked Avatar

    Guns and Ammo should do four versions of a Zimmerman cover.

  • The Masked Avatar

    Guns and Ammo should do four versions of a Zimmerman cover.

  • Clete Torres

    If you ‘are’ Trayvon, don’t be surprised if you meet the same fate.
    He could have prevented his young death, but picked the wrong guy to go thug on.

    • ObamaFail

      They all say, “We are all Trayvon.” So they’re all a dead 17 year old who got killed while attempting to beat a man to death?

    • michael s

      If you are a David James supporter dont be surprised if you meet the same fate. David could’ve prevented his death if he had let Trevor Dooley walk home once Trevor had his hands in the air and said I don’t want to fight you, but NOOOO mr.trained killer picked the wrong guy to follow and throw to the ground and choke.

      • MarcusFenix

        Wrong context and facts. First, there has been no tesitmony or description of Dooley trying to leave the park or remove himself from the situation. He in fact walked across the street and inserted himself into the situation.

        Dooley was, at one point, on top of Trevor with him pinned down and attacking him. This was brought into evidence by the daughter. It wasn’t a simple matter of where Dooley was attacked, pinned down, and fired from the ground immediately. This was a back and forth, and as needless as it was. Witnesses claim that Dooley reached for his waist (where the gun was), and that James lunged at him as a result. Guess that would make sense..if you’re trained to know if someone is packing heat, and you see them reach for it and you’re close to them, you’re not going to just let them draw their weapon and fire. Dooley approached James as well, having to cross the street to begin the face to face confrontation. It could just as well have been said that Dooley remaining in his home, and calling the police (like Martin should have done, but never bothered to do) would have effectively derailed the issue from the start.

        Dooley himself even has admitted that James didn’t attack him until he presented the gun first. From the story, link below:

        “Dooley told authorities when he took the gun out of his right front pocket James saw the weapon and knocked him to the ground.”

        James was defending himself against a man who brandished a weapon, with his 8 year old child on hand. Dooley may have felt threatened, but Dooley’s own actions (both coming across the street to start the confrontation, and then pulling a gun out *before* an altercation started) were at fault.

        Zimmerman had no back and forth discussion with Martin. Martin came at him directly, while Zimmerman was following him for acting suspicious, and started an altercation in which he had the upper hand. Martin was pounding Zimmerman’s head into the pavement.

        -Edit- Forgot the link:

        http://www.ksdk.com/news/article/311679/28/Iraq-War-veteran-killed-widow-says-Floridas-Stand-Your-Ground-law-is-free-pass-for-murder

        • michael s

          Danielle James said this during pre trial and during the manslaughter conviction. ” I didn’t see a gun. The man(Trevor) had his hands in the air and said I dont want to fight you” And walked away and that’s when my father followed him
          http://23.23.118.102/newscourts/criminal/girl-set-to-testify-in-trevor-dooley-manslaughter-trial/1260460
          http://www.wtsp.com/news/local/story-aspx?storyid=282865

          • MarcusFenix

            Fair. I’ll give you that one, since i missed it.

            So he walked after him, while they were arguing. Doesn’t change the base fact that Dooley pulled a gun (in a park with kids likely less than 20 yards away and certainly in target range) *before* James put his hands on him.

          • mike_in_kosovo

            And other witnesses *DID* see the gun.

            Planning on coming to a *point*, eventually?

        • Bathing Suit Area

          “Zimmerman had no back and forth discussion with Martin. Martin came at him directly, while Zimmerman was following him for acting suspicious, and started an altercation in which he had the upper hand. Martin was pounding Zimmerman’s head into the pavement.”

          We know this, because George Zimmerman, an impartial observer with no possible incentive to lie, told us so.

          • MarcusFenix

            Or, we know it because of what multiple other people testified to during the trial…but don’t let that fact get in the way there.

            -Edit- We also know that from the damage to Zimmerman’s head as a result of the scuffle, from doctor reports that were entered into testimony, and from the fact that zimmerman was on the phone with police practically the whole time. Sorry, should have added those first, but rushed.

          • Bathing Suit Area

            No witness saw the fight start. When pressed for details, they couldn’t even say they ever saw Martin hit Zimmerman.

          • MarcusFenix

            Start of the fight, no. But the one guy told police he saw the fight in progress. Other testimony indicated that it was Zimmerman on the ground, screaming for help, before the shot. If Zimmerman had the upper hand in the fight, and Martin wasn’t doing that…why call for help? And we already know he didn’t shoot him while Martin was on the ground.

            So, lets extrapolate.

            Man testifies he saw one guy on top of another, fighting. Zimmerman’s face and head have gravel and dirt in it, he’s bloodied and is photographed with his injuries, consistent with the story he provided police

            Travyon suffers a single gunshot wound, which is his only injury mentioned.

            You’re smart enough to where I don’t need to do the math for you on this one.

          • Corey Dennison

            It sounds like you have evidence that Zimmerman lied. You’d better let the State of Florida know!

            Otherwise, help yourself to a nice tall cool glass of “Shut the F*ck Up” brand cola.

          • Bathing Suit Area

            I have exactly as much evidence that he lied as there is that he told the truth.

        • Bathing Suit Area

          “Guess that would make sense…”
          “you see them reach for it and you’re close to them, you’re not going to just let them draw their weapon and fire.”

          Of course, this rationale wouldn’t hold for Martin trying not to get shot because… because, HOODIE WEARING THUG! WEED!

          • MarcusFenix

            But that had nothing to do with the Martin case at all, in that context. When Martin was shot, there was already a struggle, Martin was on top slamming his head on the pavement.

            That strawman argument doesn’t work well.

            Was Martin a thug? Yes. Was he high? His toxicology report shows THC in his system. That didn’t mean he deserved death for those things. He was shot because he attacked someone else, who was armed. End of story.

          • Bathing Suit Area

            Your every argument on this comes back to the same point,

            “He was shot because he attacked someone else”

            For which there is no evidence aside from Zimmerman’s word.

            You have no trouble believing that James lunged at Dooley to protect himself against an armed man, but dismiss outright the possibility that Trayvon could have been doing the same.

          • MarcusFenix

            My argument for it is the same, simply because there’s really nothing else to say about it. There’s no sense in spinning a different tale when the case is already over, all of the testimony is done, and it’s in the history books.

            But you’re trying to justify the Dooley situation with the events from the Martin case. Those two situations, on their face, are not identical. Each one of them is fact dependent. Trying to make one just like the other to justify your position is intellectually weak, if not purposely dishonest.

            Aside from Zimmermans word is the testimony of the neighbor who saw one man on top of another, pounding his head into the pavement. There are other witnesses and testimony to corroborate that story. Look at what prosecutors focused on…they couldn’t disprove a thing Zimmerman said with regards to how events unfolded, and if he were lying or trying to hide something, they very likely would have found it. The police who arrived on the scene believed, without bias, that the account Zimmerman gave lined up with the events, so are you saying it’s a huge conspiracy to cover up the truth? Or do the facts speak for themselves? But there is enough information to justify the account Zimmerman gave, based on the evidence presented at trial.

            We do know that Zimmerman was not the initial aggressor, from the trial. Zimmerman followed Martin, this is not questioned.

            But look at Martin’s actions afterwards. He didn’t go for help, he didn’t go to a house and knock on the door for them to call the police. Neither him, nor his girlfriend, tried to contact help in any way, shape or form. Martin concealed himself and waited for Zimmerman to pass by and attacked him *from behind*. Martin knocks Zimmerman down, and starts “raining down blows MMA style” (per the court transcript), which leads to Martin being shot.

            Dooley, on the other hand, was a completely responsible for his actions. He started in his home, across the street. Before he went to confront James, he *armed* himself with a gun…unless he just keeps it in his waist band at home for grins? He armed himself with a gun, walked across the street, and proceeded to argue (for the second time, the first being the yelling exchange from his home to the park) with James. A scuffle ensued. James didn’t try to retreat or leave the scene immediately. He didn’t call the police from his home, or once he went to the park. Without being in a physical altercation at that moment, he removed the pistol from his waist band…and only later claimed he felt threatened. Why didn’t Dooley do as Martin should have done, and called the police? Why go down to a park, with little children around, with a gun in your waistband when Dooley had no real reason to go there in the first place, much less with a firearm.

            The two cases have some threads which are alike, but at the end of the day, they are different cases with different circumstances. James was shot as a result of defending himself, and his child, from a person who pulled a gun on him when there was no physical altercation before that point. Zimmerman shot a kid who was already attacking him and pounding his head in the ground. Why is it so hard for you to differentiate the two as I have? It’s not complicated.

          • Bathing Suit Area

            The witness saw one man on top of anther.
            The witness did not see any pounding of head into pavement.
            You assert that the police reached their decision without bias.
            We do not know that Zimmerman was not the initial aggressor. Repeating that won’t make it so.
            You assert again, without evidence that Martin hid and attacked Zimmerman.

            What exactly, to your mind makes you so certain that Martin was the aggressor? That he wasn’t defending himself from a threat? I’m aware that there’s insufficient evidence to say with certainty that Zimmerman stated it, hence the not guilty verdict, but the opinion here seems to be absolute certainty that Martin was the villain.

          • MarcusFenix

            Let’s break that down then, point by point.

            If the witness saw one man on top of the other, “raining down MMA style blows”…and Zimmerman is all beat up and Trayvon has no injuries indicating he was struck….who do you think was on top? The witness did not see his head striking the pavement from the distance they were at, as it was dark. However, Dr. Rao (the prosecution’s medical witness) concluded that Zimmerman’s injuries were consistent with his head striking the ground, and that his facial injuries were consistent with punching. She conceeded, under oath, that his injuries could have been the result of multiple blows. That is all on record.

            It is easily concluded, based on the account and injuries, that Martin was not on top of Zimmerman. It was shown, in court, that Zimmerman shot him with the gun less than 4 inches from Martin, while Zimmerman was underneath of him. It doesn’t take a grand amount of reasoning, given the injuries sustained to Zimmerman, the lack of injuries other than the gunshot to Martin, and the outcome of the trial with the evidence and testimony presented, to reach a conclusion about the events. Strawman arguments to bring anything up otherwise.

            If the police acted with bias, why was that not brought into evidence? Why was the case not tossed, redone, etc…based on the police work? When the police interviewed Zimmerman on the scene, his account of the event lined up with the evidence that police saw on the scene. Unless you’re stating they purposely allowed him to walk, or gave him a pass, you’ve got nothing there. Red herring argument.

            We do know that, based on the event, Martin had to be the person who initiated it. Martin, against based on testimony and court record, hid from Zimmerman until he’d gone past. If Zimmerman walked past him and he was hiding….how could Zimmerman have initiated an encounter? The Orlando Sentinel reported directly that Martin approached Zimmerman. From a CNN timeline of the event…link at the bottom:

            “According to an Orlando Sentinel story later confirmed by Sanford police, Zimmerman tells authorities that after Zimmerman briefly lost track of Martin, the teen approached him. After the two exchange words, Zimmerman says, he reaches for his cell phone, and then Martin punches him in the nose. Zimmerman says Martin pins him to the ground and begins slamming his head into the sidewalk.”

            Pretty cut and dry there.

            Repeating what facts are known only reinforces that it were so. You claiming it’s not so, in the face of factual evidence presented in court, repeated ad nauseum by media outlets across the spectrum, and despite any argument to the contrary…doesn’t make your version so.

            So now i’ve directly refuted your claim that I was asserting falsehoods about Martin attacking Zimmerman. A fast Google search for the report of that nights events confirms, over and over and over and over, that Martin was the aggressor. The fact that you choose to ignore/not accept/disregard that because it doesn’t suit your set of facts and arguments is irrellevant. If there is a mistake with my assessment, it is only from the lack of information that is commonly available. I can only repeat or analyze what is on record. And the facts above, much to the contrary of your statements, are what the record says.

            Those facts and statements make me certain he was the aggressor. Was Zimmerman right to follow him around? Not my concern. He did so legally, but if you’re asking about the esoteric right and wrong of it….that’s outside the scope of the discussion.

            With those facts above as part of the public, and permanent, record…it leaves the conclusion that since Martin was the aggressor, that he wasn’t defending himself against anything specific. I’ve said multiple times on these boards that Martin displayed no desire to call for help, to flee from the situation, or do to anything other than exactly what happened. Neither his girlfriend on the phone or Martin attempted to summon help at any point. They did not call the police. Martin did not leave the area. He did not knock on the door of a home and ask them for assistance. He hid, waited for Zimmerman, and confronted him directly after Zimmerman had gone past. That’s fact. Not my interpretation. Not made up. Public fact.

            Martin was a crappy kid doing stupid things. It doesn’t make him a “villain”. His actions, prior to that evening, make him a thief, a drug user, repeat offender with regards to truancy, unlawful possession of a firearm (from pictures on his social media accounts), and so on. He was an unfortunate kid in the wrong place, with the wrong person, acting suspicious (because all indications -could- point to the fact he took part in the series of thefts in the neighborhood, since he already had stolen property found on him prior to his death).

            That’s just the long and short of it. If the public record on the matter doesn’t settle it for you, then nothing said in any other place will do so. Do with those facts what you will.

          • Bathing Suit Area

            Point by point.

            “raining down MMA style blows”

            When pressed for details, the witness who said that admitted he never actually saw Martin hit Zimmerman.

            That Martin was on top of Zimmerman at the time of the shooting is not in contention. That Zimmerman’s injuries could have come from a punch is not in contention. The insistence that Martin must have been the aggressor is. Even if you said there isn’t proof of who started the fight, that would make sense, but you (and many others here) insist with certainty that Martin attached Zimmerman.

            Orlando Sentinel reported (and police confirmed) that Zimmerman *told authorities* that Martin attacked him. They did not report or confirm that his story was necessarily, indisputably true.

            If Martin was hiding from Zimmerman, how could Zimmerman have initiated the fight? Ummm, if he found him? Not that complicated an answer.

            The only fact that you’ve proven here, or that any amount of Google searching will show, is that Zimmerman claims Martin attacked first. CNN’s timeline, the Orlando Sentinel’s reporting and all the Google searches in the world give only Zimmerman’s word that Martin attacked him first. Look at that quote you included from the sentinel, any description of what happened is preceded by “Zimmerman says”. Why you continue to insist that this is proof is utterly beyond me.

          • MarcusFenix

            Returning point by point…
            Point 1:

            http://abcnews.go.com/US/video/george-zimmerman-witness-describes-mma-style-fight-19520711

            If he never saw him hit Zimmerman, then this entire testimony would have been tossed out on its ear. Don’t you think the prosecution would have asked “Did you actually see this, or did you make it up?” The witness, on camera and in court, states specifically he saw it. He describes what Martin was doing Zimmerman, under lengthy and tedious questioning. It doesn’t get anymore specific than that.

            Either you’re straying so far from the realm of being correct that you can’t see your way back, or you’re just being purposely obtuse about the fact that Martin was seen doing it. Martin had no marks on him, and it we know it was Zimmerman on the bottom. It just doesn’t get any easier than this.

            To refute your second point, it’s really not that complicated. Zimmerman is following Martin. On the 911 tape, he clearly states he lost sight of him. Martin comes up from behind him and initiates the attack. That totally destroys the “he found him?” aspect of your discussion, because from all evidence (including the 911 tape among other things) points out that he lost him, and it was Martin who approached *him*. Not complicated, and not the other way around.

            If Zimmerman had attacked Martin first, he could have used at least size to facilitate the attack and Martin would have had injuries as a result of being struck. On the other hand, Martin coming up from behind and initiating the attack makes sense, fits with the narrative that Zimmerman gave, fits the description of his injuries, was vetted by the police and not found to be suspect, was accepted by a jury of his peers as a valid explanation…..

            I mean, at what point do you want to believe that Martin was not the aggressor? Is it because Zimmerman said it, that suddenly it must be a lie? There is more than enough witness, medical, circumstantial and anecdotal information to suggest (and in the first two cases, concretely show) that this sort of behavior would have been par for the course for Martin. Not only would his general mentality account for the attack, but the drugs in his system likely weren’t doing him any cognitive favors.

            You’re right though…the only people who really know would be Zimmerman and Martin. But Zimmerman’s story fits the account and correctly fits the injuries and series of events, including witness testimony and the 911 tapes. I insist it’s proof for two reasons. One, because it was good enough for the police, the jury, and the judge in the case to be credible. It’s unfortunate that there’s not 20 CCTV cameras on his block, but…the account was vetted by 3 specific credible sources and you’re still trying to argue the detail.

            Second, using the fact that it’s credibly been vetted, the account makes sense and fits the facts of the story as told by Zimmerman, witness testimony on the scene, police reports, the medical examiner findings as well as physician results from Zimmerman’s visit to the doctor the morning after, the 911 tapes between Zimmerman and the dispatcher, even Jeantel’s eff’d up testimony. How much more do you need before you’d give up the folly of believing that Martin didn’t start the attack?

            It’s only beyond you, I think, because you’re pushing for an angle that isn’t supported by this entire mountain of publicly known fact. You keep arguing the same point–that you believe Martin could not have been the aggressor. And yet, everything else points to the contrary. Here and elsewhere, you’ve continued to push the liberal agenda of Martin being some angel, or someone who was just a poor kid who didn’t do anything wrong…but it’s already known what kind of kid he was. Again, the entire thing is sad, but you’re just turning a blind eye to a massive amount of facts, evidence, and commentary that flies in the face of your belief. Sorry, that’s just what it is.

          • Bathing Suit Area

            I’m not insisting it’s impossible that Trayvon was the attacker, I’m trying to find why you think it’s impossible that he wasn’t.

            http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-05-22/news/os-george-zimmerman-key-witnesses-20120522_1_witnesses-change-shooting-fdle-agent

            Witness 6 (the one who brought the term mma style into the conversation):

            “But three weeks later, when he was interviewed by an FDLE agent, the man said he was no longer sure which one called for help.

            “I truly can’t tell who, after thinking about it, was yelling for help just because it was so dark out on that sidewalk,” he said.

            He also said he was no longer sure Trayvon was throwing punches. The teenager may have simply been keeping Zimmerman pinned to the ground, he said.”

            End quote.

            The 911 tapes do not cover the time of the actual confrontation, only Zimmerman’s description of it after the event.

            If Zimmerman approached and grabbed Martin, and Martin fearing for his safety threw a punch, it would account for those same injuries just as well as Zimmerman’s story does. Yet you are convinced that this is impossible.

            That Zimmerman claims Martin approached him from behind does not “destroy” the possibility that he found him. Again, the *only* evidence of this is Zimmerman’s word.

            The judge, jury and cops did not determine that Martin had to have been the aggressor, only that he plausibly *might have been*, and therefore did not find GZ guilty. I understand that position, and I do not argue with it. I am arguing with the insistence that Martin being the aggressor is some sort of proven fact, which is not what any of the sources you cite actually said.

          • MarcusFenix

            So, Zimmerman’s head just bashed itself into the pavement, and his facial injuries just got there all on their own? If Martin wasn’t throwing punches, that means that Zimmerman had to beat himself up….so you see where the ridiculousness starts there. From the damage done, it’s obvious (subjectively, but..taught martial arts for 10 years) that 1 punch would not have caused that much damage. 3-5, sure.

            Witness 6 was pretty clear about it at trial…call that what you will.

            The 911 tapes stop short of the confrontation but do include Zimmmerman plainly stating he lost the kid. Zimmerman couldn’t have been attacking someone he couldn’t find. The sources I cited were from the trial..you picked a quote from Witness 6 taken 3 weeks after the fact. As far as I’m concerned, the trial is where it all came out and where it counts. I’m going to have to side with the trial testimony, since it does justify the remainder of evidence as well. so what I posted does, in fact, line up exactly as I put them forward.

            I should clarify: I’m not convinced it’s impossible that Martin wasn’t the aggressor. I find it incredibly unlikely (less than 1 percent that Trayvon didn’t start it).

            But with everything pointing in the opposite direction, there’s nothing to suggest he was, and most everything else pointing to the fact he did. Whether you like Zimmerman or not, just because he was on the other end of the case doesn’t make him a liar. If he had lied or falsified evidence, his statements, etc…that’s something to consider and would have been dealt harshly. Even some of his detractors felt that the jury came to the wrong conclusion with the facts…but didn’t really dispute most of the facts. But the cops didn’t believe he did, and stated they felt his statement was honest and accurate. The judge and jury heard testimony and believed his account was correct. That’s pretty much the end of it.

          • Bathing Suit Area

            One punch could certainly have broken Zimmerman’s nose, and knocked him down so that he hit his head in the fall and cut it open, accounting for all of his injuries. That one punch could also have been thrown in response to Zimmerman grabbing Martin. The *only* evidence that it wasn’t is Zimmerman’s telling of the story.

            Acknowledging the possibility that Trayvon may not have been the aggressor is a start, though how you arrive at only a 1% chance of this being the case I don’t know.

            Personally I consider both scenarios as plausible, and it irks me when people around here keep insisting as proven fact that Trayvon somehow sucker punched Zimmerman in the nose from behind. While I don’t think it’s quite enough to convict, I consider it most likely that Zimmerman confronted Martin first, as parts of his story really don’t ring true.

            The jury did not state that his story was correct. Their verdict only reflected a belief that it *might* have been. This is not the same as it being proven true, or even most likely.

          • MarcusFenix

            One punch can break a nose and account for knocking him down…but not injuries sustained to both sides of his head at the same time. The official pictures show marks on both sides of the back of his head as well as superficial marks on both sides of his face (particularly, the top right part of the forehead). He couldnt have fell backwards and hit his forehead.

            I already refuted why your second scenario, in your other post, didn’t make nearly as much sense. You’re entitled to believe that, but I am equally entitled to believe you’re wrong. I do like that we’re being civil….tough, with this case. So kudos there. :)

            The 1% is based on the facts as presented. I don’t think Martin snuck up for the sucker punch. I think Martin waited for Zimmerman to pass, came up behind him and gave him the “What are you following me for?!?!” line, and then proceeded to strike Zimmerman. The rest is history. Zimmerman certainly followed Martin, and given his altered stated with drugs in his system, Martin isn’t going to be thinking clearly. Zimmerman was following him to ask him what he was doing. I don’t think Zimmerman really wanted a fist fight as a result of it. If he was looking to dispense some “street justice”, he wouldn’t have bothered to call the cops beforehand.

            In court, if they didn’t think his story was correct, their verdict would have relayed that fact, and they did not reasonably believe he was lying. It’s as much of a “correct” as you’re going to get, under the circumstances and the people involved.

            I just see this as how it went down, based on my own opinion and the facts of the case. Unless there is some incredible point I have missed, I’m convinced that everything (as posted earlier) is on point. If there is something I’ve missed, I’m all for it.

          • Bathing Suit Area

            I don’t think Zimmerman was out to start a fight, I think he wanted to grab Martin and hold him until the cops came. “These assh*les always get away” points to this.

            I do think that Martin was within his rights to defend himself.

            Had Martin been out to confront Zimmerman, he hardly would have hidden and waited for ten minutes while talking on the phone. Jeantel’s testimony had their conversation being interrupted by Zimmerman confronting Martin. I think there’s plenty more than a 1% chance that she’s telling the truth, and that Zimmerman is not. Especially when his version included dialog that sounded incredibly made up to me. (The whole “you got a problem, homie” conversation is straight out of a Charles Bronson inspired vigilante fantasy and simply kills Zimmerman’s credibility to me.)

          • Bathing Suit Area

            And yeah, props for keeping this civil.

          • Bathing Suit Area

            Two possible scenarios:

            1) Trayvon Martin runs away, hides from Zimmerman, calls his friend. He waits for Zimmerman to go pay his hiding spot, the approaches him and attacks, knocking GZ down, jumping on top of him and banging his head into the ground. Zimmerman grand his gun and shoots in self defense.

            2) TM runs away, hides and calls his friend. While he’s on the phone, Zimmerman finds him and grabs him. Trayvon, fearing for his safety, truss to escape George’s grip, hitting the man and knocking him to the ground. GZ reaches for his gun, and TM sees this, fears being shot and jumps on top of GZ to try to wrestle the weapon away. GZ shoots him.

            Both of these scenarios fit all of the available evidence. There isn’t enough information to confirm that either of them is actually what happened (hence the “not guilty” verdict). Yet you continue to insist with utter certainty that only the first scenario is true, and the *only* reason you’ve given for this is that Zimmerman said so (and that newspapers and police have confirmed that Zimmerman said so). None of the evidence actually suggests that the second scenario didn’t happen.

          • MarcusFenix

            As I replied in the other post…all of the evidence points directly to that fact. Your second scenario is fallacious all the way around.

            Jeantel testified that she’d been on the phone (texts and/or voice call) with Martin prior to him noticing that Zimmerman was following him. Martin didn’t run and hide and *then* call her. The sequence of events from the prosecution removes this possibility.

            Zimmerman wasn’t the one who found Martin…was the other way around, based on the 911 tape. Sorry.

            Martin doesn’t try to run…there’s zero evidence at the scene, or based on testimony from those at the scene. As I’ve asked dozens of times….if Trayvon feared for his safety, why didn’t he call 911 himself? Why didn’t Jeantel? Why didn’t Martin go to a house and ask for help? why didn’t he take ANY action that would have gotten aid?

            Short answer: He wasn’t looking for help.

            Secondarily to that, if Martin tried to knock Zimmerman down and then run away…he’d have his back to him and wouldnt be able to see the gun. The gun was concealed anyway, and it was dark…Trayvon doesn’t have xray or night vision, so him seeing those things from more than face to face range is unlikely or impossible.

            Ballistics testimony and re-enactment showed that the gun wasn’t “drawn” as much as it was just barely away from the waist when fired…so it wasn’t a case where he drew anything, more than just got it into a position to fire under duress.

            Your scenario doesn’t fit the evidence very well at all, and yet the first set of circumstances does. You say that the evidence doesn’t suggest your scenario didn’t happen, and yet here i am refuting it point by point. The reason your kind of scenario wasn’t brought up was because it isn’t supported by fact.

          • Bathing Suit Area

            Didn’t see this reply earlier.

            From testimony, Trayvon was on the phone before noticing Zimmerman AND after losing him.

            It’s quite possible that Martin wasn’t fearing for his safety because he’d (temporarily) lost Zimmerman, hence not needing to call 911 or run to a house for help. It’s quite possible that Zimmerman then found and grabbed him, at which point Martin would fear for his safety and hit him.

            The only part of the 911 tape indicating that Martin initiated the confrontation is Zimmerman describing the events after shooting him. Not exactly proof. It’s hardly impossible that he’d twist the story to justify his actions.

            The firing position of the gun does fit the scenario of Zimmerman reaching for the gun and Martin jumping on him to try to stop him.

            If Martin was out to confront Zimmerman, why would he have run away and hidden for 10 minutes?

            None of your attempted refutation shows that this scenario couldn’t have happened, or even that it’s less likely than Zimmerman’s version.

          • MarcusFenix
          • Lisa Dean

            Quit trying to retry a case that shouldn’t have even been brought to trial to begin with. Since it was only brought to trial because the DOJ sent in a special prosecutor, it was tried and Zimmerman was found NOT GUILTY. Since you seem to be an arm chair investigative/prosecutor quarterback maybe you should offer your services to maybe the DOJ or the FBI. Who, by the way, found no evidence against Zimmerman either.

          • mike_in_kosovo

            For which there is no evidence aside from Zimmerman’s word.

            You mean OTHER than the eyewitness testimony of Martin on top of Zimmerman, beating him and the injuries to Zimmerman, right?

          • Bathing Suit Area

            How is that evidence that Trayvon was the aggressor and not just defending himself?

          • Lisa Dean

            The case has been tried already and yet you bitterly cling to any post regarding TM so you can still interject your “vast knowledge” of what happened that night. You also make claims of what TM was thinking and doing that night. However, you weren’t presented as a witness for the prosecution, why is that @bathingsuitarea:disqus?

          • mike_in_kosovo

            Defenders, by definition, *DEFEND*, not attack.

            Are you *REALLY* that stupid?

          • Bathing Suit Area

            You’re not exactly explaining how Zimmerman’s injuries prove that Martin was the aggressor.

          • mike_in_kosovo

            Ok, so you really ARE that stupid.

            I guess Zimmerman attacked Martin’s fist with his nose, then.

          • Bathing Suit Area

            Just like Martin was attacking Zimmerman’s bullet with his chest.

          • mike_in_kosovo

            Thanks for proving my point – you really *ARE* that stupid.

          • Bathing Suit Area

            You’re the one saying that Zimmerman being injured proves he wasn’t the aggressor. By the same logic, doesn’t Martin being shot prove that he wasn’t?

          • mike_in_kosovo

            Nope, you’re wrong again (and as usual).

            Of course, realizing that would mean that you could actually *use* logic, and we’ve all seen (over and over and over and over) that you’re incapable of that.

          • Thomas, Snarkmaster General

            Of course, there’s the possibility Zimmerman was driving his own head into the ground…

            Or, there’s the more logical (and factually-based) argument that Martin was driving Zimmerman’s head into the ground.

            I’ll choose the logical and factual argument.

          • Thomas, Snarkmaster General

            Except, of course, for the photographic evidence…and the paramedics who helped Zimmerman…

          • Thomas, Snarkmaster General

            Well, if Martin hadn’t been trying to drive Zimmerman’s head into the ground…maybe he wouldn’t have gotten shot.

      • Joe W.

        Ass clown.

      • mike_in_kosovo

        Dooley could have prevented his fate by not getting his gun and going *BACK* to confront James.

        “Sorry, your Race Card has been declined – please attempt your argument with a VALID form of reasoning.”

  • Clete Torres

    If you ‘are’ Trayvon, don’t be surprised if you meet the same fate.
    He could have prevented his young death, but picked the wrong guy to go thug on.

  • Robert

    Hmmmm Certain ppl want to call for repeal of Stand Your Ground laws in Florida. I wonder how this boy getting the crap beat out of him on his school bus feels about that? http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/national_world&id=9196834

  • teamfrazzled

    Are they suggesting committing felony assault without fear the person whose head you are smashing into the cement can stop you is a civil right?

  • TJ

    So when is or did they already have the a press conference saying Dwayne Wade is quitting his Basketball contract and moving out of Florida to Boycott the state and fans of the Heat. The same people who made it so his kids never have to work a day or leave the house with out armed security entourage.

  • Stephanie Warren

    We are trayvon? They’re all little thieving, smart aleck, drug addicted thugs that attack random people because they might be a “creepy ass cracker”?

    • GaryTheBrave

      Umm…that’s “cracka.”

      • Stephanie Warren

        cracka, cracker. same difference. One is grammatically correct, the other is for illiterate tools.

        • MarcusFenix

          You forget, maam….Martin’s gf made the distinction previously about when to use the A sound. :)

          It is, as you say however, for illiterate fools.

        • GaryTheBrave

          I’m just going by wha Jeantel said.

      • Thomas, Snarkmaster General

        I prefer “Honky-American.”

  • alanstorm

    You are not helping your case. I am well aware that Trayvon was “nothing more than a PUNK ARSE THUG” – that’s what my first comment said.

    “You come on here to comment, on my comment none the less…” Take another look at who started this particular thread.

    “We have our own minds…” assumes facts not in evidence.

    I’m beginning to believe that you’re just a troll posting here to make the rest of us look bad.

  • Frankensteinslawyer

    Supporting Trayvon. We are all Trayvon. Build a better community for all Trayvons. That would be support.

    • QueenB

      They did. It’s called Detroit.

  • Spasmolytic

    I have a better idea for a cover —

    • castingstones2

      You should try truth instead of fiction

      • Jeff Coil

        That IS the truth. Your total ignorance is sad. The autopsy report proves his liver was badly damaged from street drugs, and the messages from his phone (which were mad public but not allowed in court) prove his connections to drugs and crime.

  • Joe W.

    Why do people insist on calling this whole thing a “tragedy”?? It was not a tragedy. It was a victory. A little smart-azz gangster thug got one in the chest and put down like the rabid dog that he was. I have no sympathy for him or his phoney parents who could not wait to capitalize on the situation by copyrighting his name and raking in the cash. Trayvon Martin got all the justice he deserved, compliments of George Zimmerman

    • castingstones2

      “A little smart-azz gangster thug”— and you wonder why we call it a tragedy? He was an honors student that got killed by a racist.

      • Jeff Coil

        He was NOT an “honors student”. That is a total lie. He was a SELF-DESCRIBED “gangsta”. He did have a criminal record, did drugs (that’s what the skittles and watermelon punch was for – look it up), and was caught with stolen items in his locker, which the school system covered up by calling them “found items”.

      • Jeff Coil

        And there is NO evidence that George Zimmerman was a racist. In fact, when a homeless black man was assaulted by the white son of a police officer, it was GZ that fought the police department (which was doing nothing) until he got justice for this man. How man “racist” would even care if a black man got beat up?

      • Joe W.

        Bwahahahahahahahahahaha…snort..snort…Bwahahahahahahahahahahah….Jeesus =, but you liberal dweebs are so full of crap you are trying so hard to lie just like your POS Preezy…..Dumchit.

      • Zach Smith

        He went to a school where you get honors for burglary and being suspended?

      • The Penguin

        Seriously? An honors student? Where the hell are you getting your information…CNN? I don’t know that he “deserved” to die. The fact is he was beating GZ’s head into the pavement and he was killed because GZ feared for his life.

      • Lisa Dean

        He was an honors student? I would think that would have been covered by the prosecutor many, many times. I also don’t recall that being mentioned by Obama or the media.

      • Thomas, Snarkmaster General

        An honors student at what? Being a piece of crap thug wannabe?

  • Laura Jensen

    These 1%’ers all all against racism, and stuff. Statistically most of them will murder each other…

    • castingstones2

      Right back at you!

      • Ronald Green

        Unlikely. If you take the Nation’s crime stats and remove just one factor, the crime in almost all categories would drop by app. 75%. Know which factor that would be? If you said Black on Black crime you’d win a cookie.

        • The Penguin

          Aaahh…Black on Black crime. And I prefer cake please.

  • ee1774

    Good-grief!!
    There’s never any mention of Trayvon beating George’s head into the ground!
    It’s always framed thusly:
    1) Trayvon was walking home.
    2) George attacked Trayvon.
    3) George shot Trayvon.
    4) The Police arrived.
    5) The Police released George.

    5 years from now it’ll be:
    1) Trayvon was walking home after spending his entire day teaching Calculus to orphans.
    2) A drunken George Zimmerman, wearing a white hood and robe (and on horseback), pursued young Trayvon.
    3) The L. A. Police department joined in the pursuit.
    4) They all began pummeling the child (Trayvon) while Zimmerman shouted “SIC SEMPER TYRANNIS!!!”
    5) As he lay dying, child Trayvon called out for his momma, Tawana Brawley.
    6) It all happened on MLK’s birthday, too!!

    • ObamaFail

      And in 10 years it will be:
      1) Trayvon was walking home after rescuing a home full of orphans from a burning building.
      2) George Zimmerman and his KKK buddies were out looking for a black person to victimize
      3) They chase Trayvon when they spot him.
      4) Zimmerman and his KKK buddies take turns stomping him to death.
      5) When they realize he’s still alive, they shoot him, while yelling “White Power.”
      6) A note is left on Trayvon’s body saying that Al Sharpton is next.

    • MarcusFenix

      You forgot where Martin was performing a baptism for quadriplegics while simultaneously serving food to the homeless. I think it was done between Zimmerman starting his chase and the LAPD joining in. 😉

  • Love of Country

    Nine thousand black people will be murdered this year and Ebony Magazine is obsessed with getting rid of Stand Your Ground laws …… who knew Ebony Magazine was owned and operated by the KKK?

    • castingstones2

      And stand your ground laws help pave the way to their death.

      • Jeff Coil

        Do you even understand what “stand your ground” means? I think you have no clue. The fact that you think SYG “laws help pave the way to their death” shows an incredible amount of ignorance. Most of these deaths happen in States and Cities that HAVE NO STG LAWS. In fact, studies have shown that it is blacks that benefit the most from such laws. Stop being a knee-jerk left-wing racist.

        • castingstones2

          “Stop being a knee-jerk left-wing racist”

          …Thy name is projection.

          • Jeff Coil

            “Projection”? Is that all you have? ROTFLMAO.

            Whatever. It is apparent from your post that you have a problem with the truth. I once though as you did about this case, when all I heard from the media was “white man stalks and kills black teen”. Then I started learning the truth. I suggest you do the same.

          • castingstones2

            I don’t need to answer your condescending question. You’ve already met the criteria on racism which means any answer I give you won’t matter because you are wedded to your own reality.

          • Joe W.

            Any answer YOU give won’t matter because it will be ludicrous…..Idiot.

          • The Penguin

            And in the end as usual…the race card. If you had any real knowledge of the case you would know that SYG had nothing to do with it. If you had any valid facts stating SYG contributes to the potential murder of 9000 blacks this year you would present them. Couple questions… a drive by shooting, gang related killings, drug deals gone bad, what does law abiding citizens having the right to SYG laws have to do with any of these oh so common occurrences?

          • Jeff Coil

            And you didn’t answer my question: Do you even know what SYG laws are?

          • Joe W.

            And THY name is azz=hole.

      • Lisa Dean

        And do you know what another term for SYG is? Here’s a hint, it’s used in states that don’t have SYG laws. Give up? What is self defense?

  • Damien Johnson

    Most blacks are killed by other blacks. Black kids are killed DAILY and LEGALLY at 1000 per day, out of 3000 daily legal child murders. Sick of the scaremongering. I’m not scared to walk outside because I’m black. Who really decided black life was worthless, as they keep saying? Not the Zimmerman verdict.

  • KansasGirl

    Kinda looks like Ebony is trying to intimidate “some” people.

  • Nova Giovanni

    This article (if I dare call it that) is horrible. First of all, EVERY race on the face of this earth is more likely to be victims of violent crimes at the hands of someone their own race than of another. Example: 85% of violent crimes against Whites are committed by other Whites. These are just facts that still have nothing to do with the Trimmerman/Martin incident. The comparison is like texting and driving being outlawed and people saying, “but drunk driving kills more people.” … What does that have to do with the price of tea in China?
    Second, the Stand Your Ground Law had nothing to do with the verdict? Are we even talking about the same case? I’m surprised you can read and write.
    -Nova G

    • walterc

      Zimmerman didn’t use the stand your ground law as a defense, therefore it had nothing to do with the case. And the point regarding black on black crime is that if Treyvon had been shot by a black drive by shooter while walking home from the skittles run, we never would have heard of him. And if he had been killed in Afghanistan fighting the Taliban, Obama would have never heard of him.

      Try to keep up.

      • Nova Giovanni

        Your “if” arguments are invalid because it isn’t the case, and I was going to point out the other areas you were wrong in until I saw you spelled “literacy” as “literciness” in your other comment. It looks like you should become literate before you try to speak about serious issues. Peace.

        -Nova G

        • Thomas, Snarkmaster General

          So, I’m curious to know where you got the information the judge instructed the jury to consider SYG. I mean, if you’re as literate as you claim, you should be able to find it rather quickly. I’ll wait…

    • castingstones2

      It did have something to do with the verdict, read the jury instructions.

      • mike_in_kosovo

        Those are standard instructions from the state for ALL juries, not specifically crafted trial-by-trial.

        And they STILL didn’t have anything to do with the verdict, since it was never presented as a defense in the trial.

        Idiot.

    • Zach Smith

      Blacks in the United States are much more likely to commit violent crimes than whites, regardless of the race of their victims.

    • Lisa Dean

      The SYG law wasn’t even used in the trial. Are we even talking about the same case?

  • Popawson

    I wish they were all with Trayvon…

    • Joe W.

      Winner winner….chicken dinner!!!!!

  • AZWarrior

    A good father teaches his sons to dress like prospects, not suspects.

    • KA

      Better not tell that to Mark Zuckerberg.

      • Jeff Coil

        At least Zuckerberg knows how to pull his pants up.

        • KA

          Ted Kaczynski also knew that.

    • Bathing Suit Area

      Of course, only a criminal would try to keep their head warm in such a way.

  • http://keenepointofview.com/ Keene Point of View

    Dwyane*

  • ice9

    The nerve of those people. Next thing you know they will want to vote without proving their literciness or own houses in white neighborhoods.

    I don’t know about you all, but they look kind of scary and aggressive in those hoodies, all scowling and angry. No wonder white people need more guns!

    Ice

  • TheOven

    “remember whites are 18 times more the crime victims at the hands of bIacks, THATS RACISM”

    Actually, I was going to say that making general comments about entire groups of people is what’s racist, but I’m going to try something else. I’m going to try to be rational with you.

    Let’s say you’re right and that (please forgive me if I get this wrong but grammar does matter if you want to be clearly understood), a very small portion of the population is causing a large amount of the crime. And you appear to say that it’s the black minority that are being violently criminal against white majority.

    Do you think black people are all getting together and planning this, or do you think that there’s another reason? Why are they racist, in your opinion, against whites?

    • evianalmighty

      Well I will not speak for anyone else but I will respond with some actual facts. 6% of the population are responsible for 40% of all murders and as much of all violent crime. Everyday in the US 30 to 40 white women are raped by black men and no blacks by whites. 93% of all crime between the races is blacks raping robbing and murdering whites. The figure is most likely higher as they include latinos as white. EVERYDAY throughout the nation gangs of blacks attack lone whites. It is epidemic and no one is talking about it. Actually they try and hide it to prevent a phony backlash. I have a long list of black on white crime. There is NO list of white on black crime.

      • TheOven

        Now I know you’re a troll.

        • evianalmighty

          WOW!!! A troll. What a great rebuttal to actual DOJ stats. Who is the real troll? Black on white crime is epidemic. be back in one second with this past months murders and attacks.

        • evianalmighty

          RECENT RACIAL VIOLENCE VICTIMS
          These are just a few of the black on white crimes. Look into these crimes they happen almost EVERYDAY!!!!

          SCREW trayvon.
          2013-08-06 MURDER Alyssa Oakes

          2013-08-06 BEATING/ROBBERY Gideon Hackett

          2013-08-05 BEATING Unnamed

          2013-08-05 TORTURE,MURDER Gary Nagy

          2013-08-04 CARJACKING 2 women, 1 girl

          2013-08-01 STABBING Natasha Martinez

          2013-07-31 MOB ATTACK unnamed man

          2013-07-30 MOB ATTACK T.C. Maslin

          22013-07-29 SCHOOL BUS ATTACK 13-yr-old boy

          2013-07-29 ASSAULT cab driver

          2013-07-29 ASSAULT young mother

          2013-07-28 MOB ATTACK unnamed man

          2013-07-28 MOB ATTACK 4 victims

          2013-07-27 MOB ATTACK unnamed victim

          2013-07-25 SHOOTING elderly trucker

          2013-07-19 HOMICIDE Stacey Moulton

          2013-07-19 HOMICIDE Terri Moulton

          2013-07-19 ASSAULT Zack Finkelstein

          2013-07-19 RAPE 5-yrold girl

          2013-07-15 ASSAULT Georgia [withheld]

          2013-07-14 MOB ATTACK Christopher (withheld)

          2013-07-14 MURDER Matthew Bohannon

          2013-07-14 MURDER Andrew Bohannon

          2013-07-14 MURDER Joseph Orlando

          2013-07-14 ABDUCTION/MURDER Brenna Machus

          2013-07-12 MURDER Lina Lim

          2013-07-12 MURDER Khin Min

          2013-07-12 MURDER Pat Mahaney

          2013-07-10 SHOT Father, children

          2013-07-10 ASSAULT/THEFT 3 victims

          2013-07-04 ASSAULT/THEFT Joe Stapf

          2013-07-02 MURDER Molly Conley

          2013-07-02 MURDER Kelly L. Hunnewel

          2013-07-02 KNIFE ASSAULT 2-Yr-Old

          2013-07-01 MURDER Joshua Chellew
          Kenn comments…

          2013-07-01 ASSAULT Cassandra Struve

          2013-06-30 MOB ATTACK young woman

          2013-06-27 ASSAULT Hayley Aldridge

          2013-06-26 HOMICIDE Amy Gibbins

          2013-06-26 HOMICIDE Amy Gibbins’5-yr-old son

          2013-06-26 MOB ATTACK Unnamed Family

          2013-06-26 MOB ATTACK unnamed boy

      • IMPEACH_BOBO

        I said the samething yesterday & these TROLLS just don’t listen !!!! They are on here thick today too, they will be booted soon enough, your comment will probably be flagged & then deleted because the TROLLS are coming on here & flagging comments they don’t agree with & you don’t have to sign in to flag a comment on Twitchy !!!!

        I think I will contact Twitchy & tell them that if someone wants to flag a comment they have to sign in first & that should get rid of the TROLLS, since we all know they aren’t registered on this site to begin with !!!!!! Look at some of the ones above they are getting at least 20 likes & they are FLEEBAGGERS, THATS INSANE !!!! You know d@m well it isn’t us giving them the likes its other TROLLS, SOMETHING FISHY IS GOING ON !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      • Man About It

        Most ridiculous “conservative” meme ever: the idea that the Black diaspora is dedicated to this Legion of Doom single objective: hunting, raping, and robbing white people to sullen, ruinous extinction. Such paranoia. Guess that supports the eye-roll-inducing argument that “DA BLAX are the REAL racists!” that these childish, wolf-crying righties keep pushing. No, we don’t want college degrees, honest livings, and the finer things, we just wanna destroy good old “post-racial” America…

    • chicagorefugee

      Because the’ve been carefully indoctrinated to be? What do you think Bill Ayers’s been working on in his university’s Education Department all these years?

      During his testimony Wednesday, Thandiwe suggested that his reason for even purchasing the gun he used in the shootings was to enforce beliefs he’d developed about white people during his later years as an anthropology major at the University of West Georgia.

      “I was trying to prove a point that Europeans had colonized the world, and as a result of that, we see a lot of evil today,” he said. “In terms of slavery, it was something that needed to be answered for. I was trying to spread the message of making white people mend.”

      Unfortunately the Atlanta Journal-Constitution’s taken it’s story down since I read it, but the relevant quotes can be found here: downhttp://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/02/04/convicted-killer-says-he-shot-3-white-women-because-of-ideas-learned-at-university-i-was-trying-to-prove-a-point-that-europeans-had-colonized-the-world/

    • chicagorefugee

      Because the’ve been carefully indoctrinated to be? What do you think Bill Ayers’s been working on in his university’s Education Department all these years?

      During his testimony Wednesday, Thandiwe suggested that his reason for even purchasing the gun he used in the shootings was to enforce beliefs he’d developed about white people during his later years as an anthropology major at the University of West Georgia.

      “I was trying to prove a point that Europeans had colonized the world, and as a result of that, we see a lot of evil today,” he said. “In terms of slavery, it was something that needed to be answered for. I was trying to spread the message of making white people mend.”

      Unfortunately the Atlanta Journal-Constitution’s taken it’s story down since I read it, but the relevant quotes can be found here: downhttp://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/02/04/convicted-killer-says-he-shot-3-white-women-because-of-ideas-learned-at-university-i-was-trying-to-prove-a-point-that-europeans-had-colonized-the-world/

  • Kenya Jordaine

    LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO you made me laugh so hard right now. Why are people so angry about what’s on a cover of a black magazine? You don’t even read it anyway

  • http://twitter.com/JessicaClackum Jessica

    I say more power to them. Nothing wrong with standing up for what you believe in.

    That said, if the purpose is to get rid of Stand Your Ground because it’s racially biased in favor of whites and against blacks, that’s where I’m a bit confused because I did some research based on the Tampa Bay Times database where they pulled all the data on SYG and well….the numbers don’t reflect the hype. According to the official numbers, the percentage of blacks and whites convicted and acquitted is nearly the same. In fact, while the number of whites acquitted is higher, the percentage of blacks acquitted is higher. This means the law is not racially biased.

    In my blog, I propose “Trayvon’s Law” which could be the beginning of maybe working out a solution to this problem. The problem with the Zimmerman murder case is that there’s no way to know exactly what happened and you can’t convict on assumptions, whether that person is black or white. Would welcome comments and feedback. I posted it at my blog:

    http://releasetheclackum.blogspot.com/2013/07/the-problem-with-stand-your-ground-may.html

    Ebony, keep up the good work. You’ve been a groundbreaker for years, don’t ever stop.

    • Joe W.

      They are a racist rag.

      • SgtKardashian

        Contrary to popular belief, pointing out racial inequality is not racism.

        • Joe W.

          Are you attempting to claim that “Ebony” is NOT a racist rag?? The mere TITLE of the magazine is racist.

        • Bathing Suit Area

          Commenters around here don’t actually understand what racism is, they just know that they hate being accused of it, so they constantly try to either delegitimize the term (complaints about “the race card” and their favorite “raaaacist” chant) or they attempt to throw the accusation back at anyone who ever mentions race, in the hopes that it’ll stick.

          • mike_in_kosovo

            Commenters around here don’t actually understand what racism is

            Absolutely true. You and michael s are prime examples.

          • Thomas, Snarkmaster General

            I know what racism is. I experienced it first hand at a job I held many years ago.

            Have you?

    • mike_in_kosovo

      Jessica – I read your blog post. It was a refreshing change of pace from the usual “SYG is a racist law” posts so often seen these last few weeks. Kudos to you for taking the time to actually read the relevant sections of the statute.

      I *do* wish to address one thing, however – when speaking about ‘duty to retreat’, you seem to operate under the assumption that gun owners are ignoring any opportunity to retreat due to the existence of a “stand your ground” law. This, in my opinion, is incorrect.

      While I cannot speak for all states, I can tell you that the Texas CHL class *strongly* emphasizes that the best fight is the one that you *don’t* get into, and that you should make all efforts to defuse and/or escape the situation unless *forced* to act due to the actions of another.

      Lethal force is an ABSOLUTE LAST defense, not a first one.

      • http://twitter.com/JessicaClackum Jessica

        Hi Mike, I really appreciate the comments. Actually I didn’t mean to infer that gun owners are ignoring any opportunity to retreat because of the existence of SYG, that wasn’t my intention at all!

        I do think that we have a duty to retreat if we can. Who of us wants to kill someone? I feel like the law shouldn’t have to tell us that, we should WANT to do it! :)

        I feel strongly that all of us should have the right to protect ourselves, but with that right comes a serious responsibility :) I know you’d agree!

  • Shaun Jones

    This is hilarity….Boycotting something you have never purchased or read is a very intelligent move! GO TEA PARTY GO!!!

    • Dirty Harry

      There has been no boycott called for or even suggested by anyone in the Tea Party. This is Ebony trying to gin up a controversy to sell magazines. Read The Atlantic Wire column by Conner Simpson in the “Politics” section. This so-called “boycott” is totally phony.

    • Zach Smith

      I was surprised to find out that Ebony still exists. I think a boycott of Ebony is about as silly as a boycott of Florida.

      • $6871436

        Well, I think most formal boycotts are a bit stupid. If you don’t like something, don’t support it, but IMHO it’s a bit silly to have the need to stand on a big soapbox while you do so.

        That said, I will admit I’m a bit less comfortable with the prospect of going to Florida and other states with similar laws in the wake of this case.

    • Lisa Dean

      What’s even more hilarious is that this rumor was started by a white guy, who for whatever reason, can’t remember where he heard/read the statement. Another point of hilarity is all the people who believe it’s true….

  • Jack

    Yes, because heaven forbid a magazine with a largely African-American readership would have anything at all to say about a racially polarizing killing and trial.

    PS: The judge made it very clear in her jury instructions that they had to consider the Stand Your Ground law: “If George Zimmerman was not engaged in an unlawful activity and was attacked in any place where he had a right to be, he had no duty to retreat and had the right to stand his ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he reasonably believed that it was necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.” (http://media.cmgdigital.com/shared/news/documents/2013/07/12/Zimmerman_Final_Jury_Instructions.pdf)

    Guess you didn’t bother looking that part up. But we all know critical thinking isn’t your strong suit.

    • Jeff Coil

      No, the SYG law had NOTHING to do with it, because Zimmerman had NO ABILITY TO RETREAT with Martin on top of him pounding his head into the pavement. And the only reason this case was “racially polarizing” was because left-wing race-baiters with an agenda made it so.

    • Lisa Dean

      Guess you don’t understand the difference between the directions which are given to a jury by a judge and what wasn’t used by the defense team.

  • Cory

    If you don’t like it don’t read it lol. You guys are whining like little women over a women’s magazine. Everybody on both sides of the aisle are victims. Maybe Obama was right when he said Americans have gotten soft.

    • Shawn Smith

      I don’t think it’s mostly whining so much as mocking.

      • Vlad99

        You mean like i never take the time to even mock fox news? Exept on election night of course.

    • Dirty Harry

      Sounds like you are soft in the head…

      • Cory

        Actually I am as are most people. If your brain was sclerotic you’d be dead. I figured I’d educate you young man.

        • Dirty Harry

          When has Obama “been right”?

    • Lisa Dean

      It was a rumor…too bad so many believe it’s true

  • castingstones2

    “It’s much easier to slap on a hoodie and pretend to fight for social justice than to recognize a black American is more likely to be murdered by another black American.”

    This is the same for white Americans as well, what’s the point.

    • Shawn Smith

      There’s also the fact that the most dangerous place for a black person in America today is the womb.

      • castingstones2

        Only a fact for racists and those that do their bidding.

        • Vlad99

          So many experts on blackness, we really care about your opinion.

          • $448619

            It isn’t about blackness, it’s about the breakdown of society and it’s causes. 1. Breakdown of the family 2. Loss of fathers and men as role models and caretakers 3. Loss of good education and high expectation 4. Genocide of babies in order number killed: black, Hispanic, white. Other than number 4, all races are affected and all lose. Now, do you know who the purveyor of such nihilism is? Leftists, progressives, socialists, Marxist, and black liberation theologians. Now, can you tell me who typically votes for those people or who follows their line of thinking? Blacks, liberals, women, college “elitists”, leftists: the entire base of the Democratic party. Now, can you tell me who perpetuates this and dependence on government as a way of life? Dem politicians and leaders in every one of those movements. Again I say, check your own culpability before blaming others.

          • SgtKardashian

            Was this before or after the Republican Party created the Phony War on drugs that destroyed the Black Community in the 80’s and created the Prison Industrial Complex to enslave Black Men, all the while cutting social services and government jobs that Blacks are more likely to use.

          • Joe W.

            Blacks are more likely to use government services WHY, racist??

          • $6871436

            Because they’re more likely to fall into the socioeconomic categories that qualify for them. It’s not a race problem, it’s a poverty problem. And unfortunately, once the poverty ball gets rolling it’s very good at self perpetuation.

          • Joe W.

            It’s a LAZINESS problem, pea brain. Nothing more, nothing less. Get off your lazy, parasitical butt and get a job. Government is NOT yo’ daddy. No one really knows WHO your daddy is, but it sure as hell isn’t government..

          • mike_in_kosovo

            Given that the problems she listed started in the 60s/70s, that would be *before* your nonsensical post.

            Unless, of course, you’d care to explain WHY a ‘war on drugs’ would cause the destruction of the Black family?

          • Lisa Dean

            What government jobs have been cut that blacks can’t apply for?

          • $448619

            You mean, was this before or after the CIA created that, not the Republican party. Do you guys ever research anything, or just repeat what you have been told? Prison Industrial Complex….do you even KNOW what that is? Another left wing euphemism that means nothing. Nothing at all. What is irresponsible, what is reckless, what is unforgivable is the enslavement of the black community to the federal government and dependence on IT for jobs, services, money, and food. Poor substitute for a head of the family.

          • MikeyArmstrong

            I didn’t know Marxists and black liberation theologians ran things in states like Mississippi and Alabama. All those ruby red states which suck up more federal money than they put in and lead the nation at being crap? You conservatives built that.

          • Lisa Dean

            Apparently you’re unaware of the DOD jobs that are in Alabama due to BRAC and the money that’s put back into the federal system from said jobs. Yes, conservatives and liberals built that together.

          • $448619

            Don’t know much, then do you? Black liberation theology IS Marxism, and it is all over the US. THAT was built by the DEMOCRATIC party.

          • Vlad99

            So we should follow the line of thinking of those who say it’s ok to shoot our kids in the streets??

          • mike_in_kosovo

            So we should follow the line of thinking of those who say it’s ok to shoot our kids in the streets??

            Only one saying that is… you. Congratulations – can you put the scarecrow back out in the cornfield, now? The birds are coming back.

          • $448619

            Twist what people say much? I don’t believe anyone actively condones or lobbies killing any children in the streets, but people who attack others, that is a different matter. NO one is lobbying for the right to kill children and to state that they are, is irresponsible and reckless.

          • Vlad99

            What was irresponsible and reckless was Zimmerman getting out of his car and following Trayvon (note I did not say illegal). He would have NEVER done it without his gun not because he’s white but because he’s a coward. He was confident enough to pursue and engage but could not take a punch (if you believe his story). So anyone digging in that kid past saying he did this and that and was a thug is condoning killing kids. Anyone who says there is nothing wrong with the laws that allow that man to walk free is lobbying for laws that says it’s ok to kill kids in the streets. Al Sharpton might be a race hustler but so are Sean Hannity, Bill OReilly and Michelle Malkin.

          • http://mattaningram.com/ Mattan Ingram

            And are you going to pay for and feed all those newly unwanted children?

            I love how conservative’s protective attitude towards children stops as soon as they are born.

          • Joe W.

            Why do they make those “unwanted” children, then, Pea Brain?? A little personal responsibility woulds go a long way. But you and your bro’s know nothing of responsibility, do you?? Idiot.

          • $6871436

            If you don’t know how it works by now, I’ll send you a pamphlet.

          • Joe W.

            Reading comprehension is difficult for “African” Americans, isn’t it, Rufus?? Try reading my post REAL slowly. Oh, never mind. Your brain just cannot comprehend English, and I don’t know Ebonics well enough to explain to you.

          • Lisa Dean

            Ah, there’s that pay for all the newly unwanted children argument. That’s why we pay federal and state taxes and adopt children. I love how liberals non protective attitude towards children begins as soon as they are conceived.

          • http://mattaningram.com/ Mattan Ingram

            Right, because adoption in America is such a smooth system and there are so few orphans!

            Do you know a few million families who want to adopt American babies?

            You can argue from ideology, or you can argue with actual evidence and statistics.

          • Lisa Dean

            Since you want to tap your dick on the table and act like your so damn sanctimonious when it comes to unwanted children – let’s play a round of “who’s done what when it comes to put up or STFU” shall we? I’ll go first, here’s what I’ve done to help with unwanted children. 1. I’ve adopted a child that wasn’t wanted 2. I volunteer my time to counsel those facing an adoption or keep an unwanted pregnancy. 3. I donate money to assist with private adoption. 4. I donate money to 3 homes that operate to help teens with unwanted pregnancies 5. I donate money to 2 local orphanages that help hard to place children find forever homes and not foster homes. Now, tell me what you’ve done. And remember, you can argue from ideology or you can argue with actual evidence of what you’ve personally done.

          • http://mattaningram.com/ Mattan Ingram

            1. I don’t have unwanted kids.
            2. I don’t think abstinence only education works, it doesn’t and it’s stupid. I will teach my kids about safe and responsible sex.
            3. I don’t think anecdotes about my life have anything to do with national policy.

            Then again the world is populated with people who think they know what’s right based on their tiny and limited experience regardless of the data.

            Just like environmentalists AND big-businesses get “going green” wrong, people on both sides of the gun-control debate, abortion debate, and gay marriage debate are wrong.

            Now I ask again, where are the 3,999,999 families (I removed you from the total unless you are planning on adopting more, also something that doesn’t match national trends) that will adopt all these new kids?

          • Lisa Dean

            I’m glad you don’t have unwanted children. However, among those of us who bring it when it comes to the “are you going to adopt/pay/feed for those unwanted children”, which you started, those children are wanted and chosen. I don’t care what others do when it comes to sex, I’ve always believed that you either take responsibility for yourself on that end or you don’t. I never said anecdotes about your life would change national policy about anything. However, don’t you dare challenge me when you’ve got no friggin’ idea about what I do and for whom. At this point the option to adopt more is something I would like to do. I don’t do anything in my life to match “national trends”, I do it because it’s what I feel compelled to do and it’s within my means. I will tell you in my experience there aren’t a lot of liberal families who make their way to the adoption centers. I’m not sure why that is considering they are the first to offer the “are you going to adopt/pay/feed for those unwanted children” argument and yet they won’t bother themselves to help those unwanted children themselves.

          • Thomas, Snarkmaster General

            So, if you’re upset about the “unwanted kids” why aren’t YOU stepping up and helping? I mean, don’t you Leftists CARE?

          • Thomas, Snarkmaster General

            Or you can do what you’re doing and being a hysterical Leftist who thinks baby killing is neat!

          • Thomas, Snarkmaster General

            Ah, so you prefer to kill babies. Thanks for clarifying that.

            Oh, by the way, you’ve lost any moral high ground you might have had.

          • http://mattaningram.com/ Mattan Ingram

            I don’t consider a bunch of partially developed cells to be a baby. Not until it has a developed nervous system.

            Oh by the way, you’ve lost any objective evidence based ground you never had.

            Avoiding the problem won’t make it go away.

          • Thomas, Snarkmaster General

            Yeah, except for that little thing we like to call human physiology. Babies develop certain human characteristics, such as fingerprints, within weeks of conception.

            Avoiding the truth doesn’t make you any less of a baby-killer.

          • Thomas, Snarkmaster General

            I thought you Leftists were supposed to be open-minded. Thanks for dispelling THAT myth.

        • Ronald Green

          You should check the numbers from Planned Parenthood who did most of the abortions in black neighborhoods. You should also check out the founder’s background. It’s interesting to me that the percentage of ‘black’ abortions was around 40% while Blacks still only make up about 18% of the population. Unless all you want to do is play victim.

        • Shawn Smith

          Oops, I missed the second part and thought you were a rational person dealing in facts. Now I see you’re a cultural Marxist who has to silence dissent by false shaming.

          Almost 1 in 4 black pregnancies in this country end in abortion. Being an unborn black child is very, very dangerous.

  • Vlad99

    Jesus-Christ these people are so stupid defending SYG and Zimmerman. They don’t realize that the next hero who’s in fear for his life might catch one of THEIR OWN KIDS with a stray bullet. And all those who suddenly noticed black on black violence. No black person in this world cares what your think of it.

    • mike_in_kosovo

      Speaking of stupid… you *do* know that SYG had nothing to do with the shooting or the trial, right?

      • glennisw

        No, it was in the jury instructions. It had a lot to do with the verdict.

        • J. Cox

          No..it didn’t..those instructions are read at EVERY trial,not this one only.The fact that SYG has to be presented as the defense,not a option for the jury to choose.Quit playing dumb lawyer,you failed the bar.

        • J. Cox

          No..it didn’t..those instructions are read at EVERY trial,not this one only.The fact that SYG has to be presented as the defense,not a option for the jury to choose.Quit playing dumb lawyer,you failed the bar.

        • mike_in_kosovo

          NO. Those instructions are a state standard and are given to ALL juries. If SYG *had* been invoked, the trial would have been over right then – it is an *IMMUNITY* to prosecution.

          SYG was NOT brought up as defense, so CANNOT be considered in the verdict as an explicit defense.

          Seriously, the people talking about SYG need to talk to an actual ATTORNEY instead of going with whatever they last heard on MediaMorons or Huffinglue Post.

        • Corey Dennison

          So was ‘accidental deaths’ and ‘attacks on property.’

          You fail.

        • Thomas, Snarkmaster General

          Ummmm…no. It was the case the prosecution put forth.

      • Vlad99

        SYG is the reason police botched the investigation.

        • mike_in_kosovo

          WRONG. Police HAVE to investigate the incident and report the findings to the prosecutor. The prosecutor then looks at the evidence and the statements of all involved and decides whether or not to submit charges to a grand jury. The grand jury then looks at the evidence and decides whether to approve the charges or dismiss them.

          SYG *could* be considered by the prosecutor or grand jury in support of claimed self-defense, and *could* result in a refusal to file charges by the prosecutor or the grand jury, but the police HAVE to investigate regardless.

          Seriously, dude… Talk to a cop. Talk to a lawyer. Get some actual, VALID information about the issues because, honestly? You’re making yourself look like a complete moron when you say stuff like that.

        • Corey Dennison

          Ummm…no. Try again.

        • Thomas, Snarkmaster General

          And….you’d be wrong. Again.

      • $6871436

        It’s indicative of the mentality that says you have the right to aggressive follow someone, pick a fight with them and then shoot when you get the short end of the fight you started. That has nothing to do with self defense. Nothing.

        • mike_in_kosovo

          aggressive follow someone

          Martin had broken contact – this is confirmed both by Zimmerman’s call (I don’t know where he is) and Jenteal’s testimony that Martin was behind Green’s house, over 100 yards away from where the fight ultimately occurred.

          Given that…just *how* do you “aggressive follow someone” that you can’t even see?

          pick a fight with them

          Ok, so you’re talking about Martin and not Zimmerman, then.

          and then shoot them when you get the short end of the fight you started

          Ok, so we’re *NOT* dealing with anything actually rooted in reality, but what you *THINK* happened.

          Well, you go on with your bad self, then.

          • $6871436

            The moment he (as a private citizen with no official power) chose to go skulking after a “suspicious” stranger, he committed an inherently hostile act.

            What gets me is many of the most vociferous Zimmerman defenders I’ve come across are also the most likely people I know to be offended/feel threatened if a stranger took it upon himself to follow THEM. It may be legal, but it is an aggressive course of action in and of itself.

            If he had seen a “suspicious” kid and continued to mind his own business instead of following the entire incident would never have happened. (heck if he was so suspicious he could’ve phoned in a report to the police with Martin’s general whereabouts without having to poke around playing Jr. patrolman)

          • mike_in_kosovo

            The moment he (as a private citizen with no official power) chose to go skulking after a “suspicious” stranger, he committed an inherently hostile act.

            Absolutely incorrect…but feel free to try to use that as a defense if you ever go to trial.

            but it is an aggressive course of action in and of itself

            Nope, sorry – see above. Had Zimmerman kept Martin in sight and followed him down the sidewalk to Green’s house, you *might* have a general point, if not a legal one. It still doesn’t excuse Martin’s actions in *any* way.

            If he had seen a ‘suspicious’ kid and continued to mind his own business instead of following the entire incident wouldn’t have happened.

            And if the ‘suspicious’ kid hadn’t sucker punched him and tried to beat his brains out against the sidewalk, the entire incident wouldn’t have happened.

            If the ‘suspicious’ kid had gone inside the house when he was behind it, instead of backtracking 100 yards up the sidewalk to ambush his follower, the entire incident wouldn’t have happened.

            (heck if he was so suspicious he could’ve phoned in a report to police. . . )

            Oh, you mean like he was doing just TWO MINUTES before ‘suspicious’ kid attacked him? If ‘suspicious’ kid was so freaked over someone following him, why didn’t *HE* call the police to report it?

          • $6871436

            Zimmerman was outside the car. He acted imprudently in this situation, even if the law says he was justified.

          • mike_in_kosovo

            Your opinion and you’re welcome to it – that doesn’t mean it’s correct.

          • $6871436

            I can live with that.

          • Joe W.

            A shame.

          • mike_in_kosovo

            I’m sure you can. Just remember that it’s OPINION and not FACT – you’ll look MUCH less foolish in these types of discussions.

          • Joe W.

            Sop the law is “imprudent”?? Right. Moron.

          • Joe W.

            If the little ghetto gangster had stayed at his daddy’s crib instead of going to the store for his “purple drank” ingredients, and not skulked and snooped around casing homes to burglarized, he’d be around to steal more jewelry and do even more drugs. But he didn’t, and he met his end at the hands of an American Patriot. THAT is called “justice for Trayvon”.

        • Joe W.

          Using “facts” never in evidence. The liberal, race baiter’s way. Good job, troll.

        • Thomas, Snarkmaster General

          Of course, none of that actually HAPPENED between Zimmerman and Martin…

    • Joe W.

      Jesus Christ has nothing to do with this, Zippy….and neither do Stand Your Ground Laws. The more you imbeciles race bait, the more we tend to take you as nothing more than ghetto scum.

      • SgtKardashian

        Ghetto Scum, such racially charged language friend.

        • Joe W.

          I am beyond caring about any accusations of racism or racial insensitivity or anything to do with the issue. I’ll simply speak my mind when and where I wish, and if the race baiters and their white enablers don’t like it…..tough.

          • Vlad99

            No one cares about your racial insensitivity it’s becoming irrelevant and you know it. Your scared and little scared people makes heros of little cowards.

          • Joe W.

            Your post makes no sense, Vladimir. Learn to convert Russian to English before you comment on an American web site, commie loon.

      • Vlad99

        Your stupidity is of biblical proportions.

        • Joe W.

          What would YOU know of the Bible, douche nozzle?

    • Thomas, Snarkmaster General

      And, of course, SYG had nothing to do with the Zimmerman case.

      Now, what were you saying about people being stupid before I pointed out your ignorance?

  • Zach Smith

    Repealing “stand your ground” laws would have virtually no effect on black deaths, white deaths, or any other. If someone is in mortal danger, they are going to protect themselves. It doesn’t really matter what the law is, and in most cases of self-defense, a jury would acquit them. This is all about political victimhood.

    • $6871436

      I hesitate to believe most jurors would vote to acquit someone in blatant violation of the law. The problem with stand your ground and like laws is that it removes the incentive for prudent coincidence by all means possible of dangerous situations.

      • Zach Smith

        Self defense is well established in common law, as well as memorialized into code in most jurisdictions, with, or without stand-your-ground laws.

        I don’t even know if my state has a stand-your-ground law, but it doesn’t matter. If someone suspicious is walking through my neighborhood, I am going to keep an eye on him. If someone attacks me, I am going to do what it takes to defend myself.

      • Joe W.

        What in the hell is “prudent coincidence”??? Really. We’d like to know. And if some black gangster is squattin’ on my chest, beating my head into the concrete, and I am carrying….you can bet that I would cap the sumbitch forthwith.

        • $6871436

          Auto correct got me. Should read “prudent avoidance” Meaning Zimmerman probably wouldn’t have started the chain of events that night without the gun to back up his bravado.

          • Joe W.

            English got you, you blithering idiot.

  • VerminMcCann

    Congratulations,

    You’re the Rachael Jeantal of Twitchy.

  • Estella Stel’lar Smith

    Speaking of pretenses, you can’t address the white on white crime epidemic or the prescription drug epidemic if you keep sweeping it under a rug like it doesn’t exist. The snappy comeback with the Black on Black crime comment is getting very … stale. A very stale and irrelevant response to the push for social justice and support for causes relevant to the Trayvon Martin case. The outrage isn’t going anywhere. Hoodies UP!

  • Estella Stel’lar Smith

    Speaking of pretenses, you can’t address the white on white crime epidemic or the prescription drug epidemic if you keep sweeping it under a rug like it doesn’t exist. The snappy comeback with the Black on Black crime comment is getting very … stale. A very stale and irrelevant response to the push for social justice and support for causes relevant to the Trayvon Martin case. The outrage isn’t going anywhere. Hoodies UP!

  • Pharylon

    Fact: 87% of white murders are committed by whites. When will white leaders step up and denounce this epidemic of white-on-white violence? Oh, wait, maybe it’s just because white people tend to hang out with white people and black people tend to hang out with black people, so when a murder happens… ohhhhh… so the whole “black violence thing” is just the modern version of racists calling black people less civilized? Who would have guessed that based on the rhetoric and the people saying it???

    • Joe W.

      Let’s see your statistics………

    • Corey Dennison

      Fact: 93% of all black murders are committed by blacks.

    • Bathing Suit Area

      I think the real problem is the way that white culture glorifies gun violence. Movie stars like John Wayne and Clint Eastwood are to blame.

      • Lisa Dean

        Have you not seen DJango Unchained? Or New Jack City or Clockers? Need I go on? Give it a rest already @bathingsuitarea:disqus

      • Thomas, Snarkmaster General

        Funny, but I’ve watched westerns, crime dramas, and other forms of entertainment that use guns and…I’ve never shot anyone WITH a gun.

  • blder

    I’m tired of seeing “white hispanic” in scare quotes. I am a white hispanic. One is a race, the other is a ethnicity. On practically every form I have ever filled out that asks questions about heritage there is always a section for race, where I tick “white”, and then a section for hispanic heritage, where I tick “hispanic”.

    • Skeptimist

      I write in “human” and move on. The color options are lies.

      • Joe W.

        Not if you’re black. Those folk get special treatment, don’t you know?

        • Skeptimist

          Charcoal is black. Chalk is white. Melanin (skin pigment) is neither.

          • Joe W.

            Tell that to “Vlad” & “Sgt Konus”….

          • Vlad99

            If you went to anthropology class you would know that I white Spaniard is as hispanic as a black Dominican. Hispanic is not race, “white hispanic” is put in quotation to make fun of ignoramuses who says he’s not white he’s hispanic. You can look up hispanic in the dictionary and you’re welcome.

          • Thomas, Snarkmaster General

            No. They’re put in quotation marks because that’s what the Leftists in the media called Zimmerman. Maybe you missed the memo on this, but people who do that are either a) quoting the media, and/or b) mocking the stupidity of it.

  • MARK-CHRISTIAN SORRELL

    One comment regarding Stand Your Ground mentioned something about “safety”. I am sure what that person meant to say was, “The Stand Your Ground law allows our African brothers to have a Stationary Target to shoot at.” I could be wrong. Carrying a gun sounds welcomed news if it weren’t for the disconcerting fact that all gun carriers are not white.

    • SgtKardashian

      Most Gun owners in the USA are White Males. Most members of the NRA are White males. Part of the reason the gun control debate is so hard is because a good portion of White Males, who have a good chunk of the nation’s political power, don’t want them to change.

      I call it White Inconvenience Syndrome, where something will or will not change until Whites feel inconvenienced by it.

      • Joe W.

        Most LEGAL gun owners are white males. You and your ghetto gangster buddies have all the illegal guns and would not think of becoming a responsible owner with membership in such a fine organization as the NRA. Just look at the hell hole of your President’s “home town” of Chicago.

        • http://mattaningram.com/ Mattan Ingram

          Of course your investigation stops there because you don’t like reading about the systematic oppression of an entire group of people, or what that does to crime rates, education, and access to resources to escape poverty.

          But I forgot that everyone has bootstraps which is all you need to become rich right!?

          • Christian

            systematic oppression? how so? Obama is 50% black and he has a whole host of other blacks helping him like Holder.

            How are blacks being oppressed? Vietnamese came to the US in the late 60s and have done far better than blacks who are born in the US. It is not oppression it is natural selection.

            If it were oppression you would not be able to explain Obama, Holder, West or Cain to name a few. People choose to be where they are.

          • Bathing Suit Area

            So your answer is that there’s no racism, black people are just inferior. Great job.

          • Joe W.

            Yep. Inferior as well as stupid. Just look into the mirror, Bikini Hair Line.

          • Joe W.

            Yep. Inferior as well as stupid. Just look into the mirror, Bikini Hair Line.

          • Thomas, Snarkmaster General

            Let’s see…wasn’t it Hank Johnson who said Guam was going to tip over?

            Didn’t Sheila Jackson Lee want to see the flag we planted on Mars?

            Didn’t Maxine Waters try to justify the LA Riots?

            That’s 3 dumb people who just happen to be black. Your turn, Scooter.

          • Bathing Suit Area

            Oop, you got me! I can’t possibly counter these examples as there have never been any smart black people, or dumb white people. You’ve won the argument with your superior knowledge of statistics.

          • Thomas, Snarkmaster General

            No. I won it by being smarter than you.

          • Thomas, Snarkmaster General

            You’re saying the examples I cited were NOT from inferior people?

          • Thomas, Snarkmaster General

            Maybe you think there really ARE 57 states?

            Maybe you “resist we much” too much?

          • Joe W.

            Listen, peas brain…we ALL have the same opportunity in this country. And for your information, I am hardly “rich” I live quite modestly on my $1320 monthly retirement pension. ALL paid for during my working years. Can YOU say the same thing, you freeloading scavenger??? Oppression, my azz. Affirmative Action gave you rce baiters MORE of an opportunity than the rest of us, yet you STILL whine and complain. You don’t like it?? Go back to Africa.

          • ratnok

            “Go back to Africa.”

            Now I see why your pension is only $1320 a month.

          • RushLimba

            Wait, the people on Fox News tells us that pensions are stealing from businesses…so I guess we’ll have to call you a thief since FoxNews tells us that.

          • Joe W.

            Like all liberal idiots, reading comprehension is one of many deficiencies in your “skill set”. My “pension” was funded by ME. My pension is Social Security, into which a paid for the entire 45 years of my working career. If I live to be 100, I will never recoup close to the amount of money that I paid into the system. You ass clowns just do not understand such things. And FOX News has nothing to do with it. Thanks for playing, Junior. We have lovely parting gifts for you.

          • RushLimba

            Oh, you don’t have a pension, you have a “government entitlement” that the Republican Party has been attempting to kill since it was enacted. The right wing you so trumpet is trying to take away what you’ve earned and you still get on line and parrot what they tell you.

            Who’s the idiot? The guy voting for people who want to take away what little he has and makes him blame black people.

          • Joe W.

            I wasn’t going to waste any more time with you ass clowns on this thread, but your drivel just BEGS a response. The empty space where your brain should be must really hurt, dude. No one is trying to take away anyone’s PAID FOR Social Security. NO ONE. It is called an “entitlement” because I am entitled to it, since I paid well over $100,000 into it, you idiot. At $1320/mo, I will NEVER recoup my investment, especially when you consider the interest I could have made on that money over the 45 years I paid into the system. You libiots are just too stupid to waste anymore time on. Go ‘F” yourself, and anyone esle who ‘thinks” with their azz like you do. Got it? If not…tough.

          • $6871436

            By my calculations, someone who put in $100,000 stands to recoup their investment (at the rate of payment you state) at around 6 and 1/3 years. That’s not long at all.

            Of course, you can goose the numbers with phony baloney hypothetical but still, unless someone drops dead in their 60’s (unlikely in this day and age) they’re going to outlast what they put in.

          • Joe W.

            Your calculations suck…just like everything else you post. I gave you accurate numbers, Pea Brain. AT $1320/mo benefit, it will take me 10 full years to bring home $150,000. This number is NOT adjusted for inflation, nor does it include any sort of interest or investment income I could have earned had I been allowed to keep my money in the first place. In short, you blithering idiot, it is NOT an entitlement, but a piss poor return on a forced investment. And then there was my father, who worked all of his life and payed the maximum into Social Security, only to die at the age of 60, without receiving one dime. My prospects for living past the age of 72 are not good, either, fool. Again, you know nothing of what you are talking about. Just like your President. Go to hell.

          • $6871436

            Doesn’t change the fact that it’s an entitlement that pays the majority of people more than they put in.

            As for it being a “poor return”, tell it to people who actually have privately funded non entitlement retirement accounts that have seen the value dwindle below the value of the principle in recent years.

            And I highly doubt your father could’ve paid THE maximum into SS as that would require an income virtually no one has for the entirety of their career, considering people have to work up to a salary that approaches the contribution cap. He may well have paid more than he got back, but that makes him an outlier.

          • Joe W.

            When my father was killed in an airplane crash along with my mother in 1985, he was a vice president with Pacific Bell Telephone in San Francisco, with an annual salary of $300,000. For well over 40 years, he was an executive within the telephone system, with Pacific Telephone and a stint with the parent company, AT&T…all prior to the divestiture of the Bell System in 1984. EVERY year, he paid the maximum into Social Security. Again, you make assumptions based on nothing but what you WANT to be true, without knowing the reality of any situation. But that’s how liberal idiots are. And you, my friend, are a liberal idiot. Go troll someone else for a while. I am not buying your bull crap, and I am finished responding to your pompous, bellicose, know-it-all blather. Have a great week-end in Chitcago, but watch out for all those stray bullets flying around.

          • $6871436

            So, he made a salary at or in excess of the cap EVERY year of his working life? That’s what it takes to pay in the statistical maximum.

          • RushLimba

            So, you are saying the George Bush didn’t wander the country pushing to privatize it? That Rick Perry called it a Ponzi Scheme and unconstitutional? That Paul Ryan hasn’t called to phase it out?

            I guess it’s nice to live in the bubble, but hey, keep voting for the people who want to make your life worse.

          • Joe W.

            You really ARE a special kind of stupid, aren’t you?? Where in the hell did I say anything of the sort?? Both Bush and Perry happen to be correct, pal. But neither one of them, nor any other right leaning person, believes in taking away or otherwise denying folks who are already receiving their benefits and relying on them access to them. We believe in changing Social Security and privatizing it for future generations. But you are just too damned biased, stupid, AND liberal to bother to listen to anyone other than your own screeching hacks that y’all call “leaders”…People who have paid into the system all of their lives will not be penalized, ass breath. Hence, Paul Ryan’s use of the term “phasing it out”….look up the definition, if you can use a dictionary…although that is doubtful. You and people like you are the reason that I abhor liberals, and will no longer even attempt a modicum of civility with you tit-turds. I loathe each and every one of you and wish you nothing but the worst of what your miserable little lives will give you. Go to hell.

          • Thomas, Snarkmaster General

            Why not privatize it? Even with the most conservative investing possible, you get DOUBLE the return you get from Social Security.

            So, why should I be forced to settle for half?

          • Thomas, Snarkmaster General

            Survey SAYS…you’re still the idiot.

          • $6871436

            Actually, the vast majority of Social Security recipients recoup their contribution at somewhere between the 5 and 10 year mark, and these days it’s not at all uncommon for people to collect for 2, or even 3 times that long. It’s an entitlement, just like any other government program. The amount you pay in will almost certainly not cover what you get back.

          • Joe W.

            $1320 X 12 = $15,840/yr X 10 years, (age 72 = $158,400. In the 45 years that I worked, I paid in considerably more than this amount. If you add the compound interest that I lost by being FORCED into your “entitlement”, my “investment” would be substantially more. So don’t go getting on your pompous, liberal high horse and try to tell me that I am sponging off of the system, when the opposite is true. You do not know what you are talking about, Needle nose. Just enjoy the squalor of your Chitcago ghetto, sonny, and leave me alone. I have no more time for your nonsense.

          • $6871436

            Aside from the fact that you’re bumping up your amount half again from the $100,000 you originally stated, my point still stands. Most retirees collect SS for 20, 30, or even more years. Most people collect more than they put in, period. The absolute statistical maximum you could pay into SS over 45 years is $317,223 which at the rate of payment you state would be recouped in 20 years and some change which is not at all unfeasible of a collection period. And to achieve that rate of contribution you would have had to earn a minimum of $113,700 every single year you paid in (note that earning more some years has absolutely no bearing on the math here as that number represents the hard cap for SS contribution)

            As for your phantom interest, you are correct that you could’ve potentially earned far more IF you invested wisely and luck was on your side, but you could just as easily lose your a** in the market as has happened to many people who have 401k accounts and other private, non entitlement pensions.

            In short, you’ve committed an epic fail here and are as much on the government teat as those you love to deride. Thanks for playing try again.

          • Joe W.

            Again, you know nothing of what you are speaking about. The value of a dollar when I began contributing to the system was a great deal more than today. And passbook interest rates alone were as hig as 6% back then and CD rates were much higher. Prudent, conservative investments, with interest compounded would far surpass your numbers. Thanks for playing, dickwad…We have lovely parting gifts for you.

          • $6871436

            You are armchair quarterbacking and giving yourself the benefit of every doubt in an attempt to avoid the plain fact that SS is a government handout, like any other, funded by a token contribution from recipients that in no way makes up for the overall payout.

          • Joe W.

            Like all liberal idiots, reading comprehension is one of many deficiencies in your “skill set”. My “pension” was funded by ME. My pension is Social Security, into which a paid for the entire 45 years of my working career. If I live to be 100, I will never recoup close to the amount of money that I paid into the system. You ass clowns just do not understand such things. And FOX News has nothing to do with it. Thanks for playing, Junior. We have lovely parting gifts for you.

          • Thomas, Snarkmaster General

            And you can prove that how, exactly?

          • Thomas, Snarkmaster General

            Systematic oppression of an entire group of people? These days in America, oppression exists only if you ALLOW it to exist.

            Care to examine the anti-intellectual bent of the African-American community because, to many blacks, being educated is “acting white”?

          • http://mattaningram.com/ Mattan Ingram

            Care to examine the identical levels of average intelligence in equally poor white or ANY race neighborhoods?

            Your thoughts go only as far as letting you confirm what you want to be true. You believe changing your mind is wrong, is flip-flopping.

            I believe in pursuing evidence and using objective to logic to reach the best policy.

          • Thomas, Snarkmaster General

            I believe changing your mind should be based on facts. Flip-flopping on the basis of expediency is not okay in my book.

            As far as your claim to be in favor of pursuing evidence and using objective logic, I don’t think you’ve proven that. However, you HAVE proved you’d rather kill babies and not think about it.

        • Vlad99

          Lot of NRA members taking it to each other. How many school shooters are NRA members?

          • Joe W.

            How many murderers in inner city Chitcago are NRA Members, Rastus??

          • Corey Dennison

            Let us know when you can come up with a real, verifiable number. M’kay?

          • Thomas, Snarkmaster General

            Not too many. However, there are a lot of school shooters who turn out to be Leftists pieces of monkey crap.

  • $448619

    Way to go race baiters, now the 41% unemployment in the black community and the dying of black cities and the Detroit-Philly-Chicago-Atlanta-Dallas black on black crime will get much worse while you try to remove the only resource some of them have to defend themselves. The blood is on the black community, not the white, the off-white, the light skinned, the Latino community. You are killing your own through crime, violence, drugs and abortion and yet you still blame others. It is high time you took stock of your own culpability.

    • SgtKardashian

      Race-baiting = Term used by racists when people catch them saying something racist and calling them out on it.

      Chicago and Atlanta are prosperous Black cities. Also, you’re ignoring the years of poverty and institutionalized racism thrown onto the Black Community by the US Government. The creation of Ghettos in inner cities to hold Blacks, where there is no healthy food to eat and lack of jobs. One cannot be made free 60 years ago and then be expected to do as well as other communities.

      • Joe W.

        Chicago is “prosperous” at killing black people….other than that, not so much….

        • $6871436

          I live there. It’s actually a vibrant, (mostly) thriving city. Yes it has it’s problems (like any major city), but most of the worst stuff in it’s reputation is nonsense trumped up by people who don’t even live here and likely have never so much as visited.

          • Joe W.

            People who are in Cuba think things are grand, you moron. Y’all are just too stupid to realize that you are living in a cess pool. I wouldn’t visit that hell on earth if y’all paid me to.

          • $6871436

            Well, I hear you can get a most excellent Mojito in Cuba.

            As for visiting my city, I think it’s safe to say we won’t be missing you.

          • Joe W.

            People who are in Cuba think things are grand, you moron. Y’all are just too stupid to realize that you are living in a cess pool. I wouldn’t visit that hell on earth if y’all paid me to.

      • Christian

        Explain every single immigrant who arrives in America and prospers. Blacks are where they want to be.

        Chicago is the murder capitol and not a good example neither is Atlanta. Government racism? Have you looked at the majority of government workers? MOST are black.

        • http://ifthethunderdontgetya.blogspot.com/ ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®©

          =>The Federal workforce is 17.8 percent Black, 8.1 percent Hispanic, 5.6 percent Asian/Pacific Islander, 1.7 percent Native American, 0.8 percent non-Hispanic/Multi-racial, and 66.0 percent White. <=

          http://www.fedweek.com/item-view.php?tbl=9&ID=810
          ~

          • ratnok

            Shhh… don’t feed the racists information and facts. That just angers them further! It’s like giving garlic to a vampire!

          • Joe W.

            Giving facts to a liberal is just as hard as giving them a job.

          • Joe W.

            Giving facts to a liberal is just as hard as giving them a job.

          • Joe W.

            More proof that blacks are too lazy to work. Even in federal jobs. Y’all would rather feed off the system rather than contribute to it. Thanks for providing these revealing stats.

          • Joe W.

            More proof that blacks are too lazy to work. Even in federal jobs. Y’all would rather feed off the system rather than contribute to it. Thanks for providing these revealing stats.

        • $24674488

          “every single immigrant who arrives in America and prospers.”Seriously? have some more Kool Aid

          • Joe W.

            Selective quoting, I see. That’s what y’all do. The poster did NOT say that “every single immigrant prospers”…He asked y’all to “explain every immigrant who prospers….”……Reading comprehension simply eludes you ass maggots, doesn’t it??

          • $24674488

            i don’t have to quote either of you to prove your racism, you do it yourselves.

          • Joe W.

            Selective quoting, I see. That’s what y’all do. The poster did NOT say that “every single immigrant prospers”…He asked y’all to “explain every immigrant who prospers….”……Reading comprehension simply eludes you ass maggots, doesn’t it??

        • SecludedCompound

          Por ejemplo, all of the successful Irish-Scots in the south (snicker).

        • ratnok

          You’re not a Christian. Why lie?

          • Joe W.

            You are not intelligent. Why lie? Oh…I know…You are a liberal ass maggot. That’s what you loons do….

          • Joe W.

            You are not intelligent. Why lie? Oh…I know…You are a liberal ass maggot. That’s what you loons do….

      • $448619

        Free 60 years ago? They have been free a long, long time, they have been enslaved to the Democratic party and the mentality of the liberal mindset for the last 60….why don’t you ask THEM about it?

        • Rick Bowser

          They could do that, But you know they wouldn’t get an honest answer.

      • $448619

        Those who deny race baiting, practice it.

        • Thomas, Snarkmaster General

          I usually try race baiting when I go fishing. Sometimes, it’s better than using worms.

          Thank you. I’ll be here all week. Try the veal.

    • $448619

      ….and way to not respond to the question of genocidal tendencies in the black community. Red herring much?

  • Orpheus75

    facts?! Why bother with facts when emotion works so much better?

  • Christian

    I want the laws repealed that protect black thugs when they shoot, beat, intimidate, rape or murder whites.. Do I need a hoodie to get my point across?

    • http://ifthethunderdontgetya.blogspot.com/ ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®©

      No, that white pointy hat on your head works nicely.
      ~

      • Joe W.

        The better to hang you with, Rastus.

      • Joe W.

        The better to hang you with, Rastus.

  • Vlad99

    When a white kid shoots up a school I don’t see the white trash come out of woodwork to call him a thug. It’s hollywood fault, violent video games music videos maybe he had mental illness all kind of excuses etc. But never a word about their beautyfull two parents homes and their priviledged neighborhoods. But Trayvon was a thug because he was suspended from school and deserved to get shot. We are the racists.

    • mike_in_kosovo

      But Trayvon was a thug because he was suspended from school and deserved to get shot.

      No, Trayvon was a thug because he was in fight gangs, a user/possible dealer of drugs/guns and a thief. He was shot because he violently assaulted another person, not because he ‘deserved it’.

      Quit trying to play the innocent victim / victim of racism game – he wasn’t.

    • Joe W.

      The little bass turd deserved to get shot because he was beating the dog snot out of a man who was LEGALLY carrying a firearm. No matter how many times you idiots try to pretend otherwise, you will never alter the truth of that.

      • ratnok

        Let’s all remember that when an armed stalker attacks your son.

        • mike_in_kosovo

          Like stalker Martin attacked Zimmerman? It may likely have the same outcome.

        • Joe W.

          1.) Zimmerman was NOT stalking the little gangster
          2.) Zimmerman did NOT attack the little thief…the drug dealer attacked Zimmerman.
          3.) I have no son.
          4.) If I had a son, I would teach him not to prowl the neighborhood in the dead of night and to not attack a man.
          5.) If you had any brain activity at all, you would see the idiocy of your post.

    • Corey Dennison

      Wow…it’s nice when you can make up your own reality, huh?

    • Thomas, Snarkmaster General

      No. I see the Leftist trash coming out of the woodwork to blame Republicans, the NRA, whites, and so on….

    • SgtKardashian

      Media is a powerful tool controlled primarily by White Americans. Don’t crap where you eat.

    • LegalizeShemp

      No, Trayvon was a thug because he assaulted a man. Adama Lanza was not a thug, he was mentally ill, and he spent hours playing violent video games such as “Kindergarten Killer”. Funny how your liberal tripe always falls apart under closer scrutiny.

  • Scooter Livingston

    And like a boycott by you teatards is going to affect sales *lol*

    • Joe W.

      Sales?? You mean “thefts”, don’t you? And there was never a boycott, you blithering idiot. You are simply another 3rd grade dropout with no job, no prospects for a job, and no ability to do a job. The trifecta of dependence. Congratulations, loser.

    • Joe W.

      Sales?? You mean “thefts”, don’t you? And there was never a boycott, you blithering idiot. You are simply another 3rd grade dropout with no job, no prospects for a job, and no ability to do a job. The trifecta of dependence. Congratulations, loser.

  • Audrey Horne

    Let’s be honest for a moment, the people who frequent this site are not likely to read or support a magazine like Ebony. They’re the type of rant about Black History Month, BET and the NAACP. Incendiary BS, that’s what this is.

    • Joe W.

      “Let’s be honest”……Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha…snort..snort……..you ass clowns don’t know the meaning of the word, Sapphire.

    • Thomas, Snarkmaster General

      I prefer to support a magazine like Black Enterprise.

  • CherDash

    Spike Lee? The Spike Lee who re-tweeted the wrong address for the Zimmermans and forced an elderly couple to leave their own home?

    • Rick Bowser

      I hope that elderly couple plan to sue Spike’s pants ( all the way ) off!

  • Don Alexander

    I’m not Trevon. I wasn’t expelled from school for constantly fighting, I wasn’t so out of control that my own mother couldn’t control me, I wasn’t constantly high on drugs, I wasn’t out late and night under peoples windows, I never tried to be a hard ass and show off for my girlfriend when someone followed me.

  • Kawaii Dawson

    Did you know that the average white american is more likely to be killed by a white american than a black man?! the white community does not speak at all about their self hatred!! Perhaps if white people stopped wearing polo shorts and salmon shorts they would be respected by the community!

    • Rick Bowser

      Did you know the average White American Is a lot less likely to raise their kid to be dumb enough to attack a potentially armed man, and then have the audacity to believe he won’t get shot as a result?

      • SgtKardashian

        Did you know the Average White American is dumb enough to raise their kid to believe that they can follow Black children around based on offensive stereotypes despite being warned by the police not to do so and then complain about “race-baiting” when they are caught and tried?

        • Rick Bowser

          And found “NOT GUILTY” by reason of self-defense. Even for third grade dropouts, you guys are incredibly dense. what Trayvon Martin did, in the very least was “ASSAULT” which is illegal, “EVEN” if you’re “ONLY” 17, and regardless of whether you think the guy you’re trying to pulp, is a “CREEPY ASS CRACKER” or not!

        • Thomas, Snarkmaster General

          Did you know you’re a jackass?

    • LegalizeShemp

      Did you know the Average White Band had a couple Top 40 hits back in the 70s?

  • Man About It

    Seems Twitchy is mad that a longtime Black-oriented publication would dare to call its readership to action and get them on the same page politically, instead of hoping they just go away and stick to killing each other (so the “Blacks ain’t sh!t!” narrative continues unchallenged!)

    • Thomas, Snarkmaster General

      What exactly did Stand Your Ground have to do with the Zimmerman trial?

      • Rick Bowser

        Absolutely nothing. But the Libbys like to go back to their trusted playbook of, tell a lie long enough and people will believe it as the Gospel truth.

        • Thomas, Snarkmaster General

          Exactly. That’s why it’s important to call out the Leftists when they push a lie like that. Even if you can’t convert them, you may be able to convert someone who is more open-minded and logically based.

  • Man About It

    To anyone that tries to debunk the claims made on the right-wing internet: remember, right-wing fecal matter never stinks! Right-wingers are all innocent little flowers who are defenders of truth and freedom from the clueless, leprous, lascivious liberals! They clink their beer steins together in solidarity, this great band of brothers who hope to restore America to the clean-shaven 1950s, when we swept all our problems (and especially opposition to groupthink) under the rug.

  • The Jackal

    I guess they don’t like it when Whitey fights back. If you think
    I’m gonna stand around and do
    nothing while my family or I are
    assaulted or murdered you have
    another thing coming. Law or no Law I will defend myself against
    Thugs and Criminals. I have every
    right to stand my ground and defend myself or my family. And I will. I will shoot down anyone who
    tries to harm me or my family. Black or White. Period.

  • TYPE O NEGATIVE

    Only reason to be scared of it is you’re the one doing the crime

  • LegalizeShemp

    Yes the libbies want the right to assault people with no chance of deadly force being used in return. They want to deal out union thug style street justice without any guns being pointed at them in return. In essence, they want one-sided confrontations with the right. Thank God nobody’s falling for this one-sided disarmament trick.

  • ObamaFail

    Give me a break. Look at the statistics. Blacks are far more likely to commit crimes against whites than vice versa. You are grasping at straws to try to help defend a common thug who got himself shot. And talking about supporting actors in violent movies? Give me a break. Spike Lee glorifies the gang lifestyle, which many impressionable teens see and then try to emulate.

  • ObamaFail

    Give me a break. Look at the statistics. Blacks are far more likely to commit crimes against whites than vice versa. You are grasping at straws to try to help defend a common thug who got himself shot. And talking about supporting actors in violent movies? Give me a break. Spike Lee glorifies the gang lifestyle, which many impressionable teens see and then try to emulate.

  • Clete Torres

    Really, smegman? Explain Shitcago’s black-on-black crime rate.

    The Klan and Weather Underground were Democrat constructs, just like the History books show. Rockne Newell was an anti-social putz that refused to clean his property, and reaped the consequence – probably a hippie Democrat.

  • GaryTheBrave

    I agree with you on number 5. I have stated before that the first gun ban should be in Hollywood.

  • alanstorm

    It’s very brave of you to publicly proclaim that you’re an idiot. Bravo!

  • alanstorm

    Take your meds and relax. Punctuation, spelling and grammar are your friends.

  • alanstorm

    Take your meds and relax. Punctuation, spelling and grammar are your friends.

  • BeautifulAmerica

    “Relax?” Nitpicking over grammar & spelling?
    That’s a defense against the truth of the matter which is out of synch with your opinions.
    When families and individuals are threatened by gangsters, as they are in LA, Chicago, Florida, adrenalin is nature’s response to avoid death. Anger is the body’s response to being forced into a fight/flight situation by criminals.
    Knowledge and preparation save lives.
    But keep on focusing on the minutia and ignoring the situation so you can feel good.

  • BeautifulAmerica

    “Relax?” Nitpicking over grammar & spelling?
    That’s a defense against the truth of the matter which is out of synch with your opinions.
    When families and individuals are threatened by gangsters, as they are in LA, Chicago, Florida, adrenalin is nature’s response to avoid death. Anger is the body’s response to being forced into a fight/flight situation by criminals.
    Knowledge and preparation save lives.
    But keep on focusing on the minutia and ignoring the situation so you can feel good.

  • alanstorm

    Take your meds and relax. You have no idea what you’re talking about.

    IMPEACH_BOBO’s misspellings, bad grammar and extra exclamation points!!!!!, along with his indictment of black people as a whole rather than the victims of liberalism’s war on the black family make all conservatives look bad, since tiny-minded liberals will take something like that and and say “See! This is how ALL conservatives think!”. Don’t give them ammunition, they will make up crap all by themselves.

    BTW, I AM prepared and trained. What’s your point?

  • IMPEACH_BOBO

    What is going on with this site now, did it get invaded by TROLLS or something, look at all the likes to the ones who are not of the same opinion !!!!!! I think it is time to contact Twitchy & found out who is moderating this site, something has gone awry here !!!!!!

  • mike_in_kosovo

    “Oh! you’re a racist”

    Well, that’s certainly easier than providing a counter-argument.

  • alanstorm

    I’m pretty sure TheOven was tounge-in-cheek, but it’s increasingly hard to tell…

  • IMPEACH_BOBO

    There is no counter argument for these RACIST TROLLS, if you noticed we have a lot of RACIST TROLLS on this article !!!!!! These RACIST tools just can’t accept that Zimmerman was ACQUITTED & they just can’t deal with it !!!!!! It was proven trayvon was the RACIST that night, plain & simple & I didn’t see that mentioned once in the ebony article, that RACISM from bIacks right there !!!!!! But in 1994 whites were suppose to accept the ACQUITTAL of O.J. sounds like a double standard if you ask me !!!!!!

  • TheOven

    What counter argument could there possibly be to the name “Impeach_Bobo”?

  • Spiny Norman

    Trolls? You might like to look up the term “moby”.

  • WilliamAmos

    The site is moderated. If comments go over the line we will delete them. It is OK to state an opinion but another thing to attack or make hateful comments. Right now too many people are accusing each other of racism. It has gotten out of hand.

  • Spiny Norman

    That’s “IMPEACH_BOBO”. It’s the SHOUTING that gives him “credibility”.

  • mike_in_kosovo

    For libs? None – ANY dissatisfaction with Zero *must* be due to racism.

    Pardon me for thinking that you might be just barely a cut above the norm in that regard.

  • evianalmighty

    You do know that blacks owned white slaves for 800yrs before the US was even settled. You do know this right. millions of white Europeans were enslaved by Africans. You do know this right. You are just a loser that is afraid of the facts. By the way 9 blacks jumped two white off duty cops in green bay just this week. The cops fought back.

  • Joe W.

    I wouldn’t get wihin 20 feet of you and your ghetto gangster buddies, Rastus. The stench would knock me out before you ass clowns ever could.

  • Joe W.

    A room full of black people?? You are, of course, referring to a jail, correct??

  • Vlad99

    Not even with a gun? Like your hero who would have stayed in his car otherwise.

  • Vlad99

    Your breed is dying granpa. People like you wont be an issue soon enough.

  • Joe W.

    Then who is going to finance your EBT card and welfare check, bro??

  • Vlad99

    Don’t know what that is I’m Canadian, thank god. And yes I do have a job.

  • Joe W.

    B.S. You lie…But that’s cool, bro. We know that’s how y’all roll….

  • Vlad99

    The Canadian part or the job part? And I have government health care too. Et je parle français aussi.

  • TheOven

    Okay buddy, I hear you talking lots but I don’t see a point.

    What do you think is going on and what’s the solution?

    Why, in your estimation, is there such a disparity between white on black violence (0% according to you) to that of black on white violence? (93%)

  • mike_in_kosovo

    He didn’t say that there was *no* white-on-black crime. Do you *always* have to misrepresent the other side of the argument?

    As for why? Ask Bill Cosby, Larry Elder, Thomas Sowell or Don Lemon – they might have some clues for you.

  • chicagorefugee

    Innumerate much? Black on white violence (93%); white on black violence(7%). More black on white killings every two years that there were lynchings over the course of 150 years.

  • chicagorefugee

    Innumerate much? Black on white violence (93%); white on black violence(7%). More black on white killings every two years that there were lynchings over the course of 150 years.

  • TheOven

    Oh boy, you caught me! Do I ever feel stupid that I got those numbers wrong. How could I have been so ignorant about crime statistics?

    However, none of your incredibly helpful response answers my question in any way.

    Also, I am unable to ask those prominent black men you suggested. But I am able to ask evianalmighty – and you. You seem to have some ideas. I’m all ears.

  • TheOven

    I’m sorry but I don’t understand your response.

  • mike_in_kosovo

    That doesn’t surprise me in the least.

  • mike_in_kosovo

    Oh boy, you caught me!

    Strawmen arguments tend to be pretty obvious to those who actually know the subject they’re speaking of.

    How could I have been so ignorant about crime statistics?

    Look in your mirror for that one. You’d rather call people racist for disagreeing with you than take the time to actually research the issue.

    Also, I am unable to ask those prominent black men you suggested.

    I’m very sorry to hear that you’re unable to figure out Google. Allow me to help you:

    http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=bill+cosby+pound+cake+speech&l=1

  • mike_in_kosovo

    Mods? Is there a specific reason why all my comments are going to moderation?

  • chicagorefugee

    I’ll repeat my post from up the thread. In case you missed it:

    Because the’ve been carefully indoctrinated to be? What do you think Bill Ayers’s been working on in his university’s Education Department all these years? He teaches the teachers. And then they teach what he taught them.

    During his testimony Wednesday, Thandiwe suggested that his reason for even purchasing the gun he used in the shootings was to enforce beliefs he’d developed about white people during his later years as an anthropology major at the University of West Georgia.

    “I was trying to prove a point that Europeans had colonized the world, and as a result of that, we see a lot of evil today,” he said. “In terms of slavery, it was something that needed to be answered for. I was trying to spread the message of making white people mend.”

    Unfortunately the Atlanta Journal-Constitution’s taken it’s story down since I read it, but the relevant quotes can be found here: downhttp://www.theblaze.com/st…

  • chicagorefugee

    I’ll repeat my post from up the thread. In case you missed it:

    Because the’ve been carefully indoctrinated to be? What do you think Bill Ayers’s been working on in his university’s Education Department all these years? He teaches the teachers. And then they teach what he taught them.

    During his testimony Wednesday, Thandiwe suggested that his reason for even purchasing the gun he used in the shootings was to enforce beliefs he’d developed about white people during his later years as an anthropology major at the University of West Georgia.

    “I was trying to prove a point that Europeans had colonized the world, and as a result of that, we see a lot of evil today,” he said. “In terms of slavery, it was something that needed to be answered for. I was trying to spread the message of making white people mend.”

    Unfortunately the Atlanta Journal-Constitution’s taken it’s story down since I read it, but the relevant quotes can be found here: downhttp://www.theblaze.com/st…

  • Joe W.

    Anything that comes out of that stupid head of yours is not to be believed or taken seriously.

  • mike_in_kosovo

    I think it may be use of the word ‘racist’ – a bit of filter tweaking may be in order?

  • TheOven

    I can’t imagine why. What possible reason?

  • IMPEACH_BOBO

    The TROLLS are doing it, they probably flagged you like crazy & the computer software at Disqus automatically started sending your comments to moderation on this article !!!! Then you can’t get any comments on that particular article as soon as you are done typing & hit post it goes right to moderation !!!!! You don’t have to sign in to flag someone on Twitchy so all the TROLLS who aren’t registered on Twitchy still get to flag your comments !!! I know because I had over a 100 likes on my comment & all of a sudden I started to see dislikes going up & then boom my comment was deleted !!!!! I tried that night to add a comment to this article & it went right to moderation !!!!!

  • TheOven

    Please just answer the question:

    Why, in your estimation, is there such a disparity between white on black violence vs. black on white violence?

  • mike_in_kosovo

    If you’d actually *read* the “pound cake” speech by Cosby, you’d already know the answer.

    Why don’t you go ahead and correct that error, now?

  • chicagorefugee

    Here’s my third reply to your question: because our schools are deliberately teaching racism. Read this article then see if your question is answered (and ask yourself why no mainstream source could be bothered to do these interviews): http://www.conservativecrusader.com/articles/was-boy-in-k-c-fire-attack-burned-by-his-school-s-racist-teaching

  • TheOven

    Yeah, I listened to it. 1) I asked for your opinion, not Bill Cosby’s. 2) The pound cake story doesn’t answer my question – he’s just saying that you should raise your kids right. That’s not black or white, that’s just smart – and I know you’re not saying that black people are not raising their children right – because that would be racist.

    So instead of just sending me to study some other person’s thoughts on the issue, share your own personal beliefs.

    Once again:

    In your estimation (Or evianalmighty’s), why is there such a disparity between white on black violence vs. black on white violence?

    (I have a bet running here that says you won’t be able to give a straight answer and will instead redirect and obfuscate.)

  • mike_in_kosovo

    That’s not black or white, that’s just smart – and I know you’re not saying that black people are not raising their children right – because that would be racist.

    That’s *exactly* what Cosby is saying, so I guess that makes him a racist by Oven (lack of) logic.

    (I have a bet running here that says you won’t be able to give a straight answer and will instead redirect and obfuscate.)

    Funny, that – I had a bet running here that you’d try to get me to make an answer so you could do your sole trick – playing the race card.

    Given your bit above about “that would be racist”, looks like I won the bet. Thanks for proving my point.

    http://twitter.com/Thumbelina80/status/365306628544802818/photo/1

  • chicagorefugee

    And one more answer for you: Fathers are important. But 70+% of black children are being raised by a single mother. Adjust for a two married parent family and the racial crime differential all but disappears. Adjusting for income doesn’t do it, but adjusting for two married parents does.

  • TheOven

    Cosby’s talking about his community. It’s racist for you to apply that logic to the whole black population of America. I’m sorry you feel I’m only waving one argument around but that’s the the part of your arguments I can’t understand.

  • TheOven

    Vitriol aside, there’s a lot to think about here. These two things seem to be at the crux of this whole thread.

    If you’re correct and schools are teaching racism, then the question has to be asked: Who is making/approving that curriculum? Who’s saying it’s okay to deliberately teach racism? (Black or white, racism is wrong, I think we can all agree.)

    Fathers are important. No argument there. And this raises another important question: why are so many black families missing their father?

    And most importantly; Each of us, personally – are we all helping make things better or are we adding to the problem? Are we helping someone with racist views change those views – or are we reinforcing racial stereotypes?

    One last thing; with all seriousness to the people I’ve been in conversation with on here, thank you. I can’t say I agree with many of your views but it’s very interesting to hear them.

  • Joe W.

    Reading comprehension is tough for you ghetto gangsters, right Rastus? Why don’t you go suck Obama’s nose until his head caves in?

  • mike_in_kosovo

    No. Flagging a post happens after the fact and would result in deletion. This is a moderation alert and happens as soon as the post is made and only appears to be triggered by certain words.

    In your case, you probably had enough reports that all posts are being moderated.

  • Scooter Livingston

    How little you know about me……

    FYI, I’m white and most likely old enough to be your father.

  • Joe W.

    I don’t care if you are green, son. I don’t care about you at all. And unless you are well into your 80s, I don’t think you could possibly be the father of a 64 year old son. Most elderly men have matured enough to realize the immaturity and foolishness of liberal positions. You may very well be the exception, and if that’s the case, I really do pity you.

  • IMPEACH_BOBO

    Then why are they deleting your comments, you are very careful, but are still being moderated !!! I also commented on a Ebony article after this one on Twitchy & it is fine & have made 30 comments since then on Twitchy all with no problems & all together have gotten 100 likes & 5 dislkes, its the TROLLS I TELL YOU !!! I think something fishy is going on with the TROLLS overrunning the site !!!!! The problem is anyone can flag without having to sign in & then the sites software kicks in & sends it for a person to read, we are being censored by a minimum wage flunky, that is what is happening !!!!!! You can tell it has something to do with TROLLS because their RAClST & STUPID comments are getting a lot of likes, it is other TROLLS giving them those likes not us !!!!

    I made the same exact comments on News Busters & Daily Caller & my comment have gone over 300 likes !!!! Remember too, that if you type comment that won’t pass the filters on this site it tells you it won’t pass right there, you can go back into the comment & fix anything that could cause the computer software to boot the comment !!!! Now you can tell there are no TROLLS on the News Busters or Daily Caller article because the ones who disagree with me have over 50 dislikes !!!! The ones who agree with me have only 1 or 2 dislikes, that means very few TROLLS on the site causing problems !!!!! Remember TROLLS can flag you & if you get 15 flags you will see this message ‘comment has gone to moderator message’, thats the TROLLS at work !!!!! These TROLLS are paid to invade these sites so we can’t talk amongst ourselves & get the FACTS out that the LAME STREAM MEDIA doesn’t want us to know !!!!

    This article isn’t even the worst one on Twitchy go to the Ebony article before this one & you can see the TROLLS invasion in action !!! They are smart too, they let people comment on the article all day & when I went to bed that night one of my 4 comments had 50 likes, I woke up the next day & 2 comments were deleted & the disagreeing TROLLS ( about 20 to 30 ) had invaded the article while we slepted & all the TROLLS had at least 20 to 30 likes a piece, thats how you know how many there are on the site by how many likes the TROLLS get !!!!!!!

    I have no problem with people having their own opinions but I don’t like that they can flag comments & not have to sign in to do it & then your comments are moderated because of TROLLS just causing problems !!! There are plenty of sites for these TROLLS to go on to spew their BS but they come on a site that doesn’t agree with them, are they being paid by Soros or something !!!!! If these sites made it so you had to sign in first to flag a comment I bet this problem would be gone !!!!! We know FLEEBAGGERS don’t have an account at Twitchy unless they like dislikes like you have never seen !!!!

  • Raydonn

    ‘As a whole’ is closer to the truth than many are prepared to believe……

  • Rick Bowser

    There was no Boycott, Genius! But you’d know that if you could pull your head out of your A$$ for 2 minutes!

  • james_from_cambridge

    How does one insert one’s head in one’s ass to begin with? Since you’re clearly an expert, please explain.

  • Rick Bowser

    Apparently, you were Born that way.

  • Thomas, Snarkmaster General

    First, you become a Leftist. Then, it just happens over time.

  • james_from_cambridge

    Oooh…good one ‘bagger!

  • james_from_cambridge

    Oooh…good one!

  • Vlad99

    Well there’s a big world beyong the trailor park.