Tampa Bay Times’ Zimmerman tweet asks ‘whether the dead boy deserved it’

Quotation marks or not, more than a few followers of the Tampa Bay Times found the paper’s tweet promoting its article wrapping up the George Zimmerman trial unnecessarily provocative. Did the dead boy “deserve it”? We can only hope that’s not at all what the jury is currently deliberating, or there really is no justice.

The article itself helpfully differentiates between the charges of second-degree murder and manslaughter that Zimmerman faces, and conviction on either charge (or acquittal) certainly won’t prove that Trayvon Martin “deserved” to be fatally shot. The Times defended its tweet, describing the quotation as “powerful.”

It’s powerful, all right. But accurate?

  • The Penguin

    That’s it media…light that fuse.

  • Jennifer

    It’s a tragedy that our media outlets have become not only willfully, but practically gleefully, irresponsible.

    • Finrod Felagund

      No kidding. And here I thought that the media couldn’t get any more obviously biased than they already were.

    • LegalizeShemp

      True, gleefully inflammatory, inaccurate and reckless also

  • Cae

    TB Times Editors blame rogue employees in Ohio for the headline.

    • Clayton B

      . . . intern . . .

  • IBXNJ

    So, is this what passes for “objective”???

  • TJ

    They are just covering so that the mob does not torch their offices when they go by with the TVs and shoes. They still would put up the plywood so they don’t have to buy new glass but then also put a #justicefortrayvon poster up to show solidarity.

  • http://extremesplash.wordpress.com/ Ben Bollman

    Just more proof that the media actually WANT to start riots.

    • austin_millbarge

      serves a two (2) fold purpose: 1. riots make sensational news; 2. allows for more human interest stories (from a black perspective).

    • Tom Chipp

      Riots give us news, news sells papers. Nuff said.

  • Republicanvet

    When will that rag run a story with the opposite…did GZ deserve to die by getting his head smashed against a sidewalk? At what point would Martin have stopped?

  • Marvin Nelson

    I would not wrap my fish in the Tampa Bay Times nor use it to line a bird cage. What an insult to “real journalism,” if such a thing even exists any more.

  • CatHerder

    Does the term ‘loaded phrase’ ring a bell at all?

    • $30423294

      It’s not so much a loaded phrase, as it is an…

      Assault Headline

  • Frank Drebin

    “Powerful” sensationalism. In the lurid style of supermarket tabloids.

  • Frank Drebin

    “Powerful” sensationalism. In the lurid style of supermarket tabloids.

  • IBXNJ

    Objectivity from the Tampa Bay Times is damn near non existent….

    • objectivefactsmatter

      They admit that it’s about power to them. No pretense of objectivity.

  • IBXNJ

    Objectivity from the Tampa Bay Times is damn near non existent….

  • Tim jones
    • http://discus.com yourmamatoo

      Shame on Obama for posting that.

  • LegalizeShemp

    When will it get thru liberals’s thick skulls that deadly force can be used against assaults that could lead to death or great bodily harm?

    • Brad Donald

      And the BODILY harm part threshold was already passed.

  • objectivefactsmatter

    It was not an execution. No, the jury is not supposed to be deciding what Martin “deserved.”

    “Social justice” ideology has nearly destroyed the brains of so many people.

    • $30423294

      In the educated days, justice meant that a person was entitled to their due.

      Today it means give me free sh*t or I’ll mess you up.

      History will condemn this generation. It will be brutal.

      Be sure to thank a baby boomer, won’t you?

      • objectivefactsmatter

        “Social justice” is an emotional appeal to strive for “class equality” and it’s obviously based on collectivism. It’s totally in conflict with everything that made America unique successful.

        The hippies were and are just a bunch of Soviet dupes. They still haven’t figured it out.

      • R0nin

        Can’t really blame the “boomers”. Not all of them are Leftists, which is where the blame actually belongs.

      • R0nin

        Can’t really blame the “boomers”. Not all of them are Leftists, which is where the blame actually belongs.

    • AceTrace

      “Social justice” ideology has nearly destroyed the brains of so many people.

      Marxism. It’s rotten to the core and deadly.

    • Seerak

      “When the Left seeks to obliterate the meaning of a term, they append the adjective “social” to it.”

      Thomas Sowell (I think)

  • Guest

    Innocent “child” waylaid and shot indiscriminately, without any provocation.
    THAT is the allegation of the State (Obama)…and Zimmerman’s injuries were self-inflicted, presumably.

  • Kevin

    Did he DESERVE to die? No. Does that automatically make Zimmerman guilty of 2nd degree? No.

  • DefCon99

    Maybe it was an intern

  • Lady 12

    Zimmerman found NOT GUILTY! Praise The Lord!

  • Lady 12

    Zimmerman found NOT GUILTY! Praise The Lord!

  • porgiefirefighter

    Pure irresponsible bias. Yet another flaming editorial staff that needs to be taken out behind the barn and put out of their misery.

  • tessaprn

    We possess the most irresponsible media and press in the entire world!! Such a sorry bunch of so called journalists and newscasters that have ever spoke or wrote a single word.

  • http://discus.com yourmamatoo

    That paper , soon to go in the trash bin , where it belongs.

  • Seerak

    “The Times defended its tweet, describing the quotation as “powerful.””

    Rather like a sucker punch to the nose.

  • rickg62

    The Tampa Bay Times was formerly the St. Pete Times. We lived in the area for over sixteen years and from around the time of the first Gulf war it was known as “Pravda on the Gulf”. Great sports section, but one of the farthest left papers in the country.

  • Mack

    I think what OBAMA is trying to get across to everyone is that they were both wrong. Violence is wrong and so is guns. And until you guys see that they both were wrong, ill sit here and watch you guys bicker and bash each other all night and laugh while you guys waste your time and make your selves look like clowns. LOL.. THEY BOTH WERE WRONG. VILOENCE IS NOT GOOD AND THEY BOTH USED VIOLENCE!!!!!!

  • Johnny Banco

    I see that you are a moron who likes blaming the victim (in this particular instance, Zimmerman) w/o even being aware of the facts of the case.

    Trayvon, a thug, did deserve to die for the actions he undertook that night…

  • Marvin Nelson

    That’s easy for you to say, sitting in front of your computer as you write this nonsense. I hope that you never have to face the same situation and, that, if you do, you will be able to defend yourself. Wait, you are a liberal, therefore I suggest that you pee on the thug, throw up on him, or pass out and “let him have his way” with you. Moron.

  • Republicanvet

    So you can point to the exact time Martin would have stopped smashing GZ’s head into the sidewalk? You know, just prior to severe injury or death?

  • wwbdinct

    Random “old” guy? Zimmerman was, I think, 28 at the time. That’s old??

  • INEEDACOUNTRY

    Lib, you clearly put the NIT in nitwit.

  • INEEDACOUNTRY

    Lib, you clearly put the NIT in nitwit.

  • William Kent Jenkins

    you sir are a complete f’n moron

  • Brad Donald

    If shooting the person sitting on your chest beating you is not reason
    enough to shoot them to save yourself then nothing is. And we should be
    very afraid of this.

  • Maxx

    Ah, another moron who apparently thinks it’s illegal to walk in the same direction as a black “child.” I see you’re among those who continue to nurture the “Skittles” and “ice tea” narrative which attempts to paint Martin as a 12-year-old who ran to the convenience store during recess.

    Continuing…let’s get to the dispatcher (the person you incorrectly ID as real professional police). The PCO replied “we don’t need you to do that” when in fact, a dispatcher, under this kind of environment, has no legal authority to tell a citizen which direction to walk. In fact, in follow up interaction between the police communications center and Zimmerman, George was asked for continuing information as to the DOT (direction of travel) of Martin, which of course, would necessitate eye to subject contact. Difficult to do when you’re not following at a safe distance from someone.

    You ended with “Trayvon decided to confront him and that should be applauded” and yet your entire opinion seems to be fueled by the annoyance that Zimmerman followed Martin. You’re all over the place.

    You also make the mistake of assuming just because YOU know Zimmerman had a gun, that Martin did. You have the luxury of watching a trial and seeing these facts play out. Martin did not. He was annoyed he was being followed by the “cracker” and decided to take matters into his own hands, only to tragically discover the man whose head was being pounded into the concrete had a concealed carry permit. The smart thing to do would have been to continue walking back to the home, which could have been completed in what….two to three minutes? At worst, the police would have arrived to knock on the door of the residence Martin had all the right in the world to be in. Result? Inconvenience but no shooting. The media, who are always only too happy to bait race wars, continue to paint Martin as a “child” but no child that I know, if being followed by a stranger at night, is going to turn around and walk TOWARDS the stranger.

    Prejudice is easy to dissect. Facts? Even more so.

  • Random_Failures

    @LIBRAWL: Face it: Martin should have just walked home instead of turning around to confront Zimmerman. That decision to get in some licks on the guy behind him cost him his life. He was a young, inexperienced kid who hadn’t yet figured out that he wasn’t the baddest ass on the block.

    Your statement that Martin should be applauded for confronting Zimmerman is one of the dumbest things I have ever read and reflects some of that moronic culture that ‘dissing someone deserves retaliation no matter what. If you think that Martin’s confronting of Zimmerman should be applauded, then you should have no problem with Martin getting himself shot. That’s what happens when you bring MMA fists to a gunfight.

  • objectivefactsmatter

    “Hard to believe a man who was a training to be in the MMA felt he had no other way to restrain a teenager who had skittles and a tea besides shoot him.”

    Hard to believe for a “librawl” that ignores available facts.

    “Trayvon decided to confront him and that should be applauded.”

    You’re insane. If Trayvon was justified in confronting Zimmerman, then Zimmerman was justified in confronting Trayvon. Then what?

    I’m not even sure it’s wise to try to have a rational conversation with you.

  • Seerak

    “no other way to restrain a teenager who had skittles and a tea besides shoot him.”

    “So some random old guy is following you with a gun, are you just going to let him?”

    Do you think that life is a video game where people’s possessions are visible over people’s heads as pretty colored icons?

    It’s bad enough that you are speculating about the state of mind of either man, but doing it with this preposterous notion that they knew what the other had on hand is abject fantasy.

    You are retro-justifying support for whom we now know, based on evidence in court, was the actual aggressor in terms of physical force.

  • Johnny Banco

    He deserved it for unjustifiably attacking Zimmerman, and then threatening to kill him with George’s own gun.

    As I said, you don’t care about the facts of the case as we know them, so until I see that you are interested in presenting them, I shan’t waste any time arguing with a biased, abusive dope like you…

  • Tim jones

    I don’t have to identify myself to ask someone what they’re doing in my neighborhood and Lil skittles’ response to being asked who he was, was to attack like a rabid dog.

    Violent people should be put down just like a dangerous animal is put down.

    We’re you aware Lil skittles is a suspect in numerous robberies?

    Here’s some info on his interaction with police when he was found in possession of a backpack full of watches, women’s jewelry, and a screw driver.

    http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2013/05/01/m-dspd-cover-up-the-curious-case-of-trayvon-martins-backpack-with-stolen-jewelry-and-burglary-tool/

  • iconoclast33

    He didn’t know GZ had a gun. I doubt he would have attacked GZ if he did. Despite all attempts to hide it, Trayvon’s online presence heavily suggests he was proudly living the “thug life”. He was no innocent (nor little) kid. And I would say until you have been in GZ’s position, getting your head slammed on the cement, you are in no way qualified to say what he could have or should have done. No one can know for sure how they would react in that position.

  • iconoclast33

    He didn’t know GZ had a gun. I doubt he would have attacked GZ if he did. Despite all attempts to hide it, Trayvon’s online presence heavily suggests he was proudly living the “thug life”. He was no innocent (nor little) kid. And I would say until you have been in GZ’s position, getting your head slammed on the cement, you are in no way qualified to say what he could have or should have done. No one can know for sure how they would react in that position.

  • Brad Donald

    If shooting the person sitting on your chest beating you is not reason
    enough to shoot them to save yourself then nothing is. And we should be
    very afraid of this. Cant say this enough.

  • objectivefactsmatter

    The trial is not to determine what Martin deserved. He was already served. The trial is about what Zimmerman deserves for defending himself.

    It’s amazing to me that adults can remain so clueless.

  • Ken Alan Draper

    had he just went on his way he would be alive today. how many people who are being followed by a strange person turn on the stranger & try to beat them? what was the self-defense? did zimmerman assault martin? watching a person is not assault. being neighborhood watch it was his responsibility to watch people who coome into the area & peek in people’s windows. come peeking in people’s windows where I live & the homeowner would shoot you.

  • Seerak

    Explain how Martin would know about the gun.

    Explain why Martin would proceed to move towards and attack a man that he knew had a loaded gun.

    You were aware that Florida is not an open carry state, yes? If Martin saw the gun before engaging and this had come out in court, they’d have hit Zimmerman with brandishing.

    If you are going to concoct arbitrary theories and speculations, at least make some effort to intersperse an actual fact here or there. Just pretend you’re Bernie de la Rionda.

  • Tim jones

    It’s a testament to his character, he was a criminal and criminals often get killed because of their decisions.

    Also Lil skittles was involved in illegal firearms trafficking with his father.

    Additionally the skittles and watermelon tea were Lil skittles preferred concoction to mix with stolen perscription cough syrup.

    He died the way he lived like a lowlife petty criminal and I hope those who live like that get the same fate.

  • The Penguin

    You also fail to see the facts of the case. Did you even watch any of the trial? Or are you just basing your opinion on the MSM’s slant that Trayvon was a 12 year old boy just goin’ to the store for some skittles? Why not just let the grown-ups in the jury decide whether or not GZ was defending himself or if he committed a crime.

  • The Penguin

    You also fail to see the facts of the case. Did you even watch any of the trial? Or are you just basing your opinion on the MSM’s slant that Trayvon was a 12 year old boy just goin’ to the store for some skittles? Why not just let the grown-ups in the jury decide whether or not GZ was defending himself or if he committed a crime.

  • Tim jones

    How come you didn’t mention the blunts he asked someone to buy him?

  • Tim jones

    How come you didn’t mention the blunts he asked someone to buy him?

  • William Kent Jenkins

    You forgot to add he had his thumb in his mouth …geeze admit you are wrong dildo

  • Ken Alan Draper

    oh no! and he was peeking in windows why? was the trip for skittles & tea an excuse for being in the neighborhood to case it if the cops showed up? if he was just going about his business why beat up the neighborhood watch?

  • Calcat36

    Weed has a habit of making punks likemartin paranoid right?

  • MrApple

    1: If you had a stake in the neighborhood and owned property then you might have a desire to assist in any way that you could to keep the thugs and crooks from damaging and stealing your stuff.
    2: The Police dispatcher told Zimmerman that they (the Police) didn’t need Zimmerman to follow the shadowy figure and not to outright stop following him. There is a difference.
    3: Would you identify yourself as a member of neighborhood watch and calmly explain your concerns before or after the shadowy figure you called the Police about jumped you, punched you in the face, and then proceeded to beat your head into the street?

  • objectivefactsmatter

    And where do you live?

  • Seerak

    1. Because of course, refusing to be a victim is “power thirst”. (I always thought it was an energy drink.)

    2. Pity that didn’t happen. (Dispatcher did not “issue orders” they are specifically trained not to do that.)

    3. You can make up what-ifs all day about how that might have played out, but they are irrelevant. (You’d have been a great addition to the State legal team.)

  • Tim jones

    Lil skittles attacked someone and got shot for it. That’s what happens when you try to hurt people, they might kill you.

  • Tim jones

    Lil skittles attacked someone and got shot for it. That’s what happens when you try to hurt people, they might kill you.

  • objectivefactsmatter

    “The whole tea and cough syrup thing is just slander targeted at Martin but even if it were true it has no bearing whatsoever on the murder.”

    It is relevant to the discussion because the tea and Skittles are supposed to be icons indicating the innocence of the “little angel.” The “cough syrup thing” is a rebuttal to the attempted whitewashing.

  • The Penguin

    He could have just stopped, turned around, and asked GZ why he was following him, instead of circling back around and jumping him. That’s assault. Again, you are completely ignorant of the facts in this case. Admit it…and go back to playing Call of Duty on your XBox.

  • The Penguin

    He could have just stopped, turned around, and asked GZ why he was following him, instead of circling back around and jumping him. That’s assault. Again, you are completely ignorant of the facts in this case. Admit it…and go back to playing Call of Duty on your XBox.

  • wwbdinct

    Not what I said. Just asking why you’re using the term “old guy”? So why?

  • wwbdinct

    Not what I said. Just asking why you’re using the term “old guy”? So why?

  • Seerak

    Explain how Martin could know that Zimmerman had a CONCEALED gun PRIOR to the fight.

  • Tim jones

    Following suspicious criminals in the neighborhood is the purpose of the neighborhood watch. Lil skittles very likely would have attacked someone else had he not run into “Dead Eye Zimmerman”. Me personally I like the idea of armed neighborhood watch confronting suspicious hoodlums.

    Hoodlums don’t own the street. Hoodlums die in the street.

  • Tim jones

    Following suspicious criminals in the neighborhood is the purpose of the neighborhood watch. Lil skittles very likely would have attacked someone else had he not run into “Dead Eye Zimmerman”. Me personally I like the idea of armed neighborhood watch confronting suspicious hoodlums.

    Hoodlums don’t own the street. Hoodlums die in the street.

  • Johnny Banco

    It was “justifiable enough” for Trayvon to attack GZ because of nothing other than his own suspicion (which is legal behavior where, praytell?), but it was wrong for GZ to defend himself with lethal force against Trayvon’s potentially (and probably) deadly assault?

    You show that you are a stupid jerk, a loser, and a partisan hack who’s quite likely a racist…

  • Seerak

    Explain how Martin knew Zimmerman had the gun.

    Explain why Martin, knowing that Zimmerman had a gun, would proceed to move towards and attack him while unarmed.

    Anybody can say “neighborhood watch”. I doubt saying that would have stopped Martin if he were really as on edge/suspicious as you’re trying to say he was.

  • Tim jones

    librawl would have been beaten to death and the world would continue to turn.

    I for one will put a bullet into anyone who threatens my life. I’d rather be judged by 12 then carried by 6.

    No sir, the hoodlum can take a dirt nap and the world can know who’ll snatch your life for acting like a rabid dog.

    Next case!

  • Tim jones

    librawl would have been beaten to death and the world would continue to turn.

    I for one will put a bullet into anyone who threatens my life. I’d rather be judged by 12 then carried by 6.

    No sir, the hoodlum can take a dirt nap and the world can know who’ll snatch your life for acting like a rabid dog.

    Next case!

  • objectivefactsmatter

    And we know that the police were already under reporting crime in the area.

    So even if the police had ordered him to stop following a suspicious character, that alone is not enough to indict Zimmerman. Unless the police were actually on the scene.

    This is not yet a “police state.”

  • The Penguin

    He circled back around just to talk to him? Really? Not to assault him? And “alleged struggle”? You did see the wounds GZ sustained. And I wouldn’t consider having your head pounded off the pavement a “struggle”. Your argument is weak.

  • The Penguin

    He circled back around just to talk to him? Really? Not to assault him? And “alleged struggle”? You did see the wounds GZ sustained. And I wouldn’t consider having your head pounded off the pavement a “struggle”. Your argument is weak.

  • Tim jones

    And marijuana blunts, you don’t seem to want to acknowledge that.

    And 17 years old is old enough to be responsible ones own actions.

    Attacking folks can get ya killed.

  • Tim jones

    And marijuana blunts, you don’t seem to want to acknowledge that.

    And 17 years old is old enough to be responsible ones own actions.

    Attacking folks can get ya killed.

  • wwbdinct

    Do they die that way on the streets of Chicago too? Oh and btw – unarmed mothers die while innocently working at their job: http://www.thestate.com/2013/07/08/2852751/columbia-police-make-arrests-in.html
    I haven’t heard word one from the national media about this case. Not a peep. Disgusting!

  • wwbdinct

    Do they die that way on the streets of Chicago too? Oh and btw – unarmed mothers die while innocently working at their job: http://www.thestate.com/2013/07/08/2852751/columbia-police-make-arrests-in.html
    I haven’t heard word one from the national media about this case. Not a peep. Disgusting!

  • Tim jones
  • Tim jones
  • objectivefactsmatter

    Some times they do when they act so stupidly.

    Why don’t you go live with them and teach them about law and order? Or do you even believe in that yourself?

  • wwbdinct

    Not really. You can’t tell much of a difference between 18 and 28 years old for the most part. Very curious why you would frame it as on “old guy vs. teenager” type of scenario. Change your name to LIBIAS – which is more suited for your kind.

  • wwbdinct

    Not really. You can’t tell much of a difference between 18 and 28 years old for the most part. Very curious why you would frame it as on “old guy vs. teenager” type of scenario. Change your name to LIBIAS – which is more suited for your kind.

  • Seerak

    Is age part of those video game tags over people’s heads that you keep fantasizing about? Is it next to the “gun” and “loaded” symbols?

  • The Penguin

    Yup, that and the drink went well with the cough syrup he himself admitted to using to get high…cute.

  • The Penguin

    Yup, that and the drink went well with the cough syrup he himself admitted to using to get high…cute.

  • objectivefactsmatter

    “I liked the part where they showed the bag of skittles Trayvon was holding…”

    You’re the guy who just said that the Skittles are not relevant. Wait. You say the rebuttal is slander but you’re OK with the whitewashing.

    Obviously you have an agenda, and pursuit of individual justice is not on your list of priorities.

    I’m guessing you’re a cryto-communist judging by what you write.

  • The Penguin

    You say this with conviction like you were there. I doubt very much that Trayvon new GZ had a gun until he was on top of him, or he would never have confronted him.

  • Seerak

    I have legally carried concealed many times, and you know what people did when I happened to be following them down the sidewalk? NOTHING. Is that “strange”?

    Concealed means concealed.

  • wwbdinct

    “Ms. Hunnewell, I’ll tell you, she put up a fight,” he said. “She stood her ground.”

    Hunnewell worked an early morning shift baking bagels and other breads. She was a single mother of four children.

    “This senseless act took their mother away from them,” Santiag o s aid. “Now they are orphans. “

    Read more here: http://www.thestate.com/2013/07/08/2852751/columbia-police-make-arrests-in.html##storylink=cpy

  • The Penguin

    Slander? This was on his facebook page. And the relevance was already addressed when you asked another poster the same question. Let me ask you, since the skittles were your favorite part of the trial, what relevance do they have regarding the case?

  • objectivefactsmatter

    “Please explain the relevance of this…”

    His rebutting your reference to the Skittles. You made it relevant.

  • Seerak

    It’s not a “murder”. The slander’s yours.

  • Tim jones

    I think if one wants to be killed all they have to do is go attack the wrong person.

  • Guest

    Yes, because no self-respecting criminal would ever be caught dead eating skittles…apparently, they would.

  • The Penguin

    Yes, because no self-respecting criminal would ever be caught “dead” eating skittles…apparently, they would.

  • Ken Alan Draper

    you really are an idiot, If I see someone peeking in my neighbor’s window, & there has been breakin’s in the area I don’t care what he’s carrying, I’m going to be suspicious. as if candy is an indicator of guilt.

  • Seerak

    Because of course there’s these bright neon video game indicators…. oh hell, this horse is just a pink stain now, fuckit.

  • wwbdinct

    Truth hurts, doesn’t it? Why does the cold blooded murder of a white mother of four by 3 teenage African-Americans not get the same national media attention that the Martin/Zimmerman case has received? Oh, it’s very relevant to the case at hand. This was a gruesome, horrific crime – more so than the M/Z case. What have you heard from the media regarding this case? Crickets.

  • Seerak

    It’s not a murder. Screeching it louder doesn’t make it true.

  • Finrod Felagund

    And how would have Martin known Zimmerman was carrying? If he had known, and he still jumped him, then he’s even dumber than I had originally thought.

    Tell you what, let me get you down on the ground and pound your head into the sidewalk a few times and let me see how you feel about it. In that position if you had a gun you’d shoot me, too.

  • objectivefactsmatter

    “Once again, GZ was following Martin with a GUN.”

    Your point is what? How does that justify Martin’s actions?

    “And once again he failed to identify himself as a wannabe cop.You have a right to have fear and suspicion when a complete stranger is following you with a deadly weapon.”

    We’re not questioning anyone’s rights to their feelings. It’s how you behave that matters and that is why Martin is dead. Because of his actions.

  • Seerak

    And once again, you postulate without evidence that Zimmerman was illegally open carrying while Martin had laser vision attuned to detecting the pretty video-game symbols hovering over Zimmerman’s head that said “gun”.

  • wwbdinct

    Deliberately deflecting the issue. You and your sort have pegged this as a racial incident from the beginning thus the reason for the worldwide attention on a local crime story. Why wouldn’t you think the case of Mrs. Hunnewell would be every bit as deserving of the national media attention that the M/Z case has received? I’ll expect no real answer from you except more deflection because this is not the type of story that you want to hear about, is it? To your kind, this is a form of poetic justice, isn’t it?

  • $30423294

    You seem to count the morality of an act by the body count.

    Do you feel dirty defining the morality of an act by the body count?

    Want to go there? Stalin murdered millions. Mao murdered millions. Pol Pot murdered millions.

    Psst. These are friends of the democrat party.

    You are confused but fortunately it is never too late to turn your life around.

  • objectivefactsmatter

    And the media ignored it because he’s white. And he’ll never get arrested either. Plus all of the whites threatening to riot probably explains why he hasn’t been arrested yet.

    There is no justice here.

    Plus he’s a member of the tea party.

  • Finrod Felagund

    Swing and a miss. I was referring to before the fight started. And if I’m a criminal, then beating the crap out of the neighborhood watchman that I now know is trying to catch me in a crime is even more likely. You lose.

  • objectivefactsmatter

    “Martin knew he had a gun because, according to Zimmerman, he lunged at it once the fight started.”

    A more rational reading would be that Martin started the fight and then saw the gun after the jacket started to flail around. The most likely sequence is that it happened after Martin was on top of Zimmerman.

    In other words, Martin attacked Zimmerman because he didn’t know about the gun. Not because of it.

  • Seerak

    All along you’ve been arguing that Martin was justified in starting the fight because he’s being followed by a man with a gun.

    Now you say he only knew *after* the fight started? Oops! Shouldn’t have started that fight then, hey?

    Some of us are paying attention here.

  • wwbdinct

    The basic elements have everything to do with this case. To sum it up – LIBERAL HYPOCRISY!

  • objectivefactsmatter

    You deleted a comment that claimed (I’ll paraphrase) carrying Skittles should have informed Zimmerman that Martin was harmless.

    What’s the matter with you?

  • Random_Failures

    Nice post. Well done.

  • MrApple

    If someone was beating my skull into the road I would shoot them as well. It’s not like Zimmerman sprayed the young man with a machine gun; he shot him once in the chest. Sounds like simple self-defense to me.

  • objectivefactsmatter

    “Obviously he did know that he had a gun because, if Zimmerman is telling the truth, at some point in the alleged struggle Martin lunged for it.”

    Timelines are linear. Go think about that and try to revise your propaganda efforts.

    “But on the night of the murder he had done absolutely nothing. Save for buying skittles and tea.”

    Leftist clairvoyance. How convenient.

  • Seerak

    AFTER Martin approached and started the fight. Oops!

  • Seerak

    He thinks Zimmerman ignored the pretty video game indicators over Martin’s head that read “Skittles” and “tea”.

  • Damien Johnson

    whoa, with his dad? firearms trading? you gotta source for this? I still feel both Trayvon and Zimmerman were in the wrong. Jeez, there’s absolutely nobody to root for here.

    found the gun story. but I also found this http://politicalblindspot.org/george-zimmermans-old-myspace-surfaces-full-of-racist-statements-and-admissions-of-criminal-activity/ not to mention an accusation of Zimmerman being a molester earlier. Still say there’s absolutely nobody to root for. I also found out a 71 year old black man was jailed for claiming stand your ground when he shot a white man while being choked by him. I recognize that was a different juror, but I still feel that’s wrong. That should’ve gotten national attention, not Trayvon Martin.

  • Tim jones

    Yep Tracy Martin was using his son to run guns, and probably drugs, Tracy’s “gangster name” is “Fruit”, here’s a blogger who was close to the case and has all kinds of info that wasn’t allowed in the trial:
    http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2013/07/10/trayvon-martins-own-father-was-one-of-the-people-texting-trayvon-about-buying-and-selling-guns-researching-the-names-from-don-west-delivered-proffer-hearing-multiple-francining-moments/

  • Damien Johnson

    Every time new information comes out about either party, I just have no words. And yet, I agree that this particular jury only decided based on those final seconds of Trayvon’s life. Especially since it’s unclear whether the version that would incriminate Zimmerman or the version that would exonerate him was true.