‘Bingo’: Iowahawk sums up the jobs report in one tweet about Taco Bell

If you like your job, you can keep it … as long as you don’t mind working less than 30 hours a week. As Twitchy noted earlier, the number of involuntary part-timers rose 322,000 to 8.2 million in June. It’s a part-time nation, courtesy of Obamacare.

Related:

Bam! Iowahawk points out ‘Schadenfreudentastic’ part of Obamacare delay

Reality Bites Back: ‘Dudes of Juicy Couture,’ Left shocked Obamacare is costing them work hours

Still more employers cut workers’ hours to sidestep Obamacare

Death spiral: Hours cut, workers pushed to part-time due to Obamacare; ‘They keep cutting my hours’

  • Foxxman

    The stupid in you must really burn.

  • Stephen L. Hall

    Typical socialist economy . . . everyone has a job . . . it doesn’t pay the bills . . . there is no profit left over to grow the economy . . . government regulations stifle all innovation . . . but everyone has a job . . . a part time menial job.

  • tops116

    Gee, in light of this “wonderful” news, you think Team Obama will reverse themselves on putting off the business mandate in Obamacare and take their chances in 2014?

    Yeah, I didn’t think so.

  • therantinggeek

    I’d LOVE to see people like Ryan spin this…

    I ran an analysis on the U-6 averages a while back. U-6 is defined by the Bureau of Labor Statistics as: “Total unemployed, plus all persons marginally attached to the labor force, plus total employed part time for economic reasons, as a percent of the civilian labor force plus all persons marginally attached to the labor force”. Using the information available on the BLS site, I was able to crunch the numbers accordingly to compare the U-6 averages under Bush’s watch versus Obama’s.

    Now that I found the original comment where I posted them; I’ll re-post the numbers here. I haven’t had a chance to work on this year’s average so far.

    Bush Administration:

    2001: 8.2%
    2002: 9.6%
    2003: 10.1%
    2004: 9.3%
    2005: 8.9%
    2006: 8.2%
    2007: 8.3%
    2008: 10.8% (Yes, I’m including Jan 2009 here)

    Average: 9.2%

    Obama Administration:

    2009: 16.4% (nope, not including Jan 2009 here.)
    2010: 16.7%
    2011: 15.9%
    2012: 14.7% (Yes, I’m including Jan 2013 here.)

    Average: 15.6%

    • Joe W.

      Ryan & Ronald cannot comprehend these numbers, Geek, but thanks for posting them and winning the argument. Great job…..

      • therantinggeek

        I even went out of my way to ask Ryan to double-check the math, and provided the series ID report from the BLS site as a reference. But do I get any thanks for it? Nope.

        Ah well. :)

        • Joe W.

          Ryan and the Ronald troll just want to come here and argue and troll. They are just liberal drones, and it’s pointless to even engage them. Sometimes I let them suck me in, but I try to ignore them. Not easy sometimes, but it’s pointless to argue with an idiot.

          • Stephen L. Hall

            Joe, I see a distinction between Ryan and Ronald. Ryan is unreasoning, hence foolish. Ronald is reasoning, but I believe wrong. An important distinction, or in the words of Thomas Paine:

            “To argue with a person who renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead.”

          • Joe W.

            I do not know if you have engaged Ronald before, Stephen, but I have and I have found him to be an insufferable boor. Just my opinion, though. I enjoy watching you own him, though. Keep it up, sir!!

          • John Thomas “Jack” Ward III

            It’s like trying to show RMFitz what a great place South Carolina is… SERIOUSLY! Jawamax 8<{D}

    • The Penguin

      Ah, REAL numbers… Thank you!

    • KhadijahMuhammad

      It gets worse, if you add in the long term discouraged workers that were defined out of existence under Clinton.

      http://www.shadowstats.com

      The average of this metric was around 14% during Bush’s tenure. Under Obama, it has averaged 23%, and is still RISING.

  • therantinggeek

    You’re welcome to double-check those numbers yourself if you want.

    http://www.bls.gov/

    • therantinggeek

      Ryan, just to make it fair, use series ID LNS13327709 when running your query. It will give you the seasonally-adjusted U-6 numbers on a month-to-month basis. Run your query from 2001 to 2013.

  • Ironhawk86

    The scary thing is that the left will view this as some kind of an accomplishment on their part

    • ObamaFail

      Exactly. Like in May when the jobs report came out and showed that the unemployment rose that month, a member of the lib media tweeted “that’s gr8 news!”

    • in_awe

      How can you deny that!? Clearly 10 more people are employed after the change than before: 40 needy people instead of 30 greedy people. “Arithmetic isn’t hard”

      Isn’t it better that there are more people earning less and sharing more misery than fewer people earning a “living wage” in order to make it possible for everyone to have more expensive health care coverage (except for that inconvenient 30MM who will still be uncovered after Obamacare is in full effect)?

      Wait! You mean Obama has created chaos in 1/6th of the US economy and will double, triple, quadruple health insurance premiums for 330MM and incented thousands of medical providers to retire early to provide just 5MM more people with insurance coverage for things that would have been treated under existing federal law? Seriously?

    • MyrmidoNOT

      Sorta like that free insurance-thingee
      known as ‘obamaDON’Tcare’… 😉

  • http://www.vatican.va/ Rulz

    You want to know what the difference between liberals and conservatives is?

    Liberals run around and circle the wagons around their favorite politicians—even some rinos—to try and make government look good. Just look on this thread at the left is desperately trying to split hairs and use linear talking points to defend the democrats.

    Conservatives are unafraid to call out their own when they screw up.

    • ClinkinKY

      My favorite (and I don’t know who coined it but I had a t-shirt made up with the quote on it )
      “Conservatives believe it when they see it”
      “Liberals see it when they believe it”

      • Just Another Guy

        I call that “Red Pill vs Blue Pill” Reality vs Fantasy.
        But I love your take on it ! Probably going to steal it and not cite you after I do it 5 or so times 😉

  • RedSoloCup

    But if you get a cushy Government or Union job you are safe.

  • neoface

    No worries, the government will be hiring thousands of Obamacare navigators in the coming years, and I’m certain they will be just as incompetent as the TSA agents. Working for the government is like winning a lottery, cushy job with a guaranteed pension. I could be wrong.

    • TocksNedlog

      Didn’t they already put the TSA in charge of prostate exams?

      • neoface

        No, I think they are to give prostate cancer with doses of radiation. Again I could be wrong.

  • Dr Why

    Well, it spreads that minimum-wage wealth, doesn’t it?

    • Stephen L. Hall

      Well, that would explain liberalism: Misery loves company.

  • michael s

    The pettiness continues. People here are so against this president(and we know why that is) that a jobs growth has to be attacked

    • Ronald Green

      Sure if it’s not Boosh, it’s Raaaacism. Grow up .

    • GMMI

      So you are happy of the new 2-20 (2 jobs 20 hours/week each) rule that many Americans must follow. BTW why are we against this alleged President?

    • KhadijahMuhammad

      When the jobs report shows that the only progress we are making on unemployment is a gain in part time employment, it is not “petty” to ask for the reason why.

    • dogwonder

      Job growth, liberal math millions lose their full times jobs and those jobs are replaced by part time jobs staffed by non-Americans.

    • Cruz2016!!!

      Yep, seems you’re still sucking up the kool aid through a straw…lay off a bit…you might just get your mind back

    • Just Another Guy

      Math (and Economics) is Hard for Liberals, isn’t it?
      I’m guessing you preferred classes that were “feelings” based instead of fact and reason based. Recess, was it?

    • graz

      because he’s a ……

  • Scott Snoopy

    this is the health care mandate at its finest and screwing workers ….yeah its a great plan Pelosi/Reid gave us sold by The White House occupant

  • dogwonder

    Yep, and it’s going to get much worse under Obamacare mandates. Demorats must be so proud that they murdered the middle class without firing a single weapon.

    • louisiana_mom

      Murdering the middle class was the goal… they want us to be serfs while they lord over us from their ivory towers. Shanty towns here we come. Thanks all you Low-Info Voters who couldn’t pay for your own birth control… this is ALL on you!

  • Zathras11 @B5

    I see the first comment was to blame Bush and has been deleted.

    Obama has been President(sic) for 5 years now. When he is responsible for ANYTHING? I’m serious, when?

  • graz

    makers vs takers 2014

  • http://atlantarofters.blogspot.com/ The Sanity Inspector

    I’d laugh if only I wasn’t fearing the same development for me!

  • Keith S.

    Bush Bush Bush….this had nothing to do with jobs….but paycheck hours Einstein.

  • grais

    And Obama was going to remedy all that, he said. He knew how to do that, he said. He had sure-fire plans, he said.
    And here we are.

  • alanstorm

    So you want to compare a few months of GWB’s term to the whole of Obama’s? Nice try.

    Why are unemployment and under-employment so high? Could it be that Obama’s plans are full of used food, along with the man himself, or IS this his plan? Pick one – neither is a good choice, but you don’t have a third alternative.

  • V the K

    Next you’ll be saying part-time jobs at low wages are teh Awesome!

    Just keep shilling…

  • R.C.

    you are delusional to believe were are in a slow recovery.

  • alanstorm

    The slowest ever recorded, if you can call it a “recovery” at all. Why are you defending this?

    I thought Obama was the smartest person EVER! to occupy the Oval Office. How come he can’t think his way out of a paper bag?

  • Jack Deth

    Yeah.

    Like an airliner crashing into the ground at 400 miles per hour, instead of 410 miles per hour.

  • grais

    So, this was all part of Obama’s plan? Is that what you’re saying?
    The poor get poorer. Yep, that’ll do it.

  • Joe W.

    Actually, loser, we are NOT “recovering”. things are getting worse for the average American. Including YOU, I would wager.

  • tops116

    And the “recovery” has been ongoing since Obama’s first day on the job. Funny, I seem to recall Obama and the faithful declaring that he could fix all of the nation’s woes with a snap of his fingers. Who would’ve thought it would take five years and counting to snap his fingers?

    Ryan, you’re full of it. You’re making excuses you wouldn’t tolerate when Bush was president or if Romney had won.

  • Marcy Cook

    What’s your idea of recovery? The body is still dead but the corpse hasn’t rotted all the way yet…so we’re good?

  • http://www.vatican.va/ Rulz

    Where was that logic under Bush?

  • ObamaFail

    0.4% recovery. That’s nothing to be proud of. That’s some half-assed gutter trash attempt to defend the awful job Obama is doing as President.

  • Red Eye Pit Crew

    Not if you can’t see any movement. We’re not moving “forward!”

  • jetch

    and a “C-” is still a passing grade in your eyes. under Obama mediocrity is the new normal and you’re fine with it.
    I can tell you’re really gonna excel in life…

  • Cajun

    …and five years deep you still running your mouth,,,,,all in the name of dark meat. Good. Stay where you are. They need libs like you to help throw off the scent.

  • WutDixLibsR

    There is no recovery taking place. Full time jobs are disappearing and everyone’s working 2 or 3 part time jobs for low wages.
    This country is falling apart, and there is no way to recover.
    Part time workers can’t afford houses, only apartments. The American dream is DEAD!
    We’re losing what once made this country great. And as long as the liberals remain blind and stupid, and the conservatives keep watching out only for themselves and big government, we will never recover.
    Greed caused all this, and that will never go away, it will only get worse, so this will never get better.

  • DrEvil007

    This is no recovery; this is slowly bleeding to death.

  • Nicholas Haley

    Except that it isn’t. Calculating for population growth and inflation and per-capita GDP is falling.

  • lainer51

    OMG – how pathetic.

  • Beth Rose-Acor

    slow recovery? He lied to you and you bought it, hook line and sinker! There is NO recovery. Look around you! Unemployment is at an all time high, fuel at an all time high, welfare at an all time high……… yep, have fun with that “slow recovery”

  • V the K

    Delusional? Yeah, but aren’t all cultists delusional?

  • The Penguin

    More like a “slow death” of the economy.

  • V the K

    Or the analogy that our economy is pretty much a whale carcass bumping along the bottom of the ocean.

  • V the K

    Actually, the regime “recalibrated” the numbers a few years ago to hide the decline. If unemployment were measured today using the same criteria as the Bush Era, it would be above 10%.

  • Joe W.

    The unemployment rate is the same as when Barky took office. The U6 rate, (actual unemployment) is higher than at any point since the Great Depression. And it is worse now than when Barky took office. Much worse. Why must you continue to run cover for this miserable failure? Really. I think we would really like a serious answer. WHY??

  • Ronald

    The numbers are only real if they uphold the tea party narrative… otherwise they are false.

  • nickdqwk

    I wouldn’t swear to it but I believe that the improving housing market is not coming from the common or middle class folks, it may be from rich investors, even foreign concerns like maybe China. Just a suspicion mind you.

  • http://www.vatican.va/ Rulz

    (laughs)

    Ever heard of a bubble?

    Your analysis is too linear. Eventually, interest rates will start going up again and the value of the dollar is ready to plummet at any time.

    Real unemployment is well over 10% and has been for sometime, with an even higher number of under-employed.

  • TocksNedlog

    “Trade deficit widens sharply as imports rise”
    “Service sector growth slows to three-year low in June”
    “Money market assets decreased in latest week”
    “Rise in mortgage rates cuts into home buyer demand”
    “Small business hiring falls again in June”
    “U.S. economic growth gauge falls to lowest since January”
    — Those are this week’s economic news headlines from Reuters. Remember what conservative (gasp!) radio host Dennis Prager always says:
    First, tell the truth, THEN give your opinion.

  • The Penguin

    Less collecting unemployment because it ran out and now on some other assistance. The unemployment rate you speak of consists of people collecting, not how many people are out of work, a more important number I think. Hours cut and benefits gone or almost gone. And the abortion that is Obamacare will only affect hard working people and small businesses that are already struggling. Real life scenarios.Knowing and dealing with a lot of small business’ that are barely keeping their heads above it is where I get my info. The stats don’t reflect what’s really happening.

  • mike_in_kosovo

    Worst ‘recovery’ since the Great Depression..and you think it’s ‘going well’…. I’d say that pretty well answers the question of who’s delusional and who isn’t.

    From Forbes:
    “The right measure and comparison for Obama’s record is not to compare the recovery to the recession, but to compare Obama’s recovery with other recoveries from other recessions since the Great Depression. By that measure, what is clear is that Obamanomics has produced the worst recovery from a recession since the Great Depression, worse than what every other President who has faced a recession has achieved since the Great Depression.

    In the 10 previous recessions since the Great Depression, prior to this last recession, the economy recovered all jobs lost during the recession after an average of 25 months after the prior jobs peak (when the recession began), according to the records kept by the Federal Reserve Bank of Minneapolis. So the job effects of prior post Depression recessions have lasted an average of about 2 years. But under President Obama, by April, 2013, 64 months after the prior jobs peak, almost 5½ years, we still have not recovered all of the recession’s job losses.”

  • jetch

    numbers and indicators??? what non-numeric indicators are you looking at? or are you being redundant?
    after every deep recession we’ve had our economy bounced back strong. this is the weakest, most tepid rebound from a recession we’ve ever had.
    regarding the housing market, it’s been “improving” because of low interest rates. rates that were kept artificially low for a very long time and will result in staggering inflation in the near future. the key word there is “artificial” which is what the recovery has been as well. in fact, every solution Obama has provided has been artificial.
    I say this because i’m trying to help you: you are a moron.

  • R.C.

    If I worked just 1/2 of the hours I was working just 5 short years ago I would not have the time to post on Twitchy mid afternoon. As it is, I am working less than 1/4 of the hours I was when GWB was in office. (I work residential and commercial carpentry and travel for it when able)

    My grocery bill has almost doubled in the last 4 years.
    GWB was demonized for crony-oil ties when gas reached 2.25 a gallon. Where does that leave your boy on current prices?
    So, yes, you are the delusional one to even entertain the idea that things are “looking up, however meager”
    You have fallen for another lib lie to make you believe this is the new normal, this is how it is, how its going to be so just accept it.
    ah, I can keep rambling since I dont have much else to do……

  • WutDixLibsR

    Just because people are going back to work don’t mean the economy is improving. When someone trades a $20 an hour job for a $10 an hour job it shows the jobless rate going down, but it doesn’t mean it’s getting better you dumb sheep.

  • lainer51

    Disability claims are up and welfare claims are up….yup, the recovery is awesome!!!

  • Klawnet

    Dude–they don’t even calculate inflation the same way they did in the 70s. Your numbers are crap.

  • Jack Deth

    Poor Ryan.

    Striving so very hard to be intelligible and relevant. Yet failing so miserably at every turn.

  • Joe W.

    Who’s “us”, Zippy? You got a mouse in yer pocket??

  • http://www.vatican.va/ Rulz

    Conservatism = facts and common sense.

    That’s why liberals need emotions as well as the race and gender card.

  • http://www.black-and-right.com/ IceColdTroll

    Hee hee. They’re so cute when they’re self-righteously delusional.

    Actually . . . not.

  • ObamaFail

    Common sense? On a liberal? You guys are the ones who are too stupid to actually see how bad the Obamacare garbage is going to be to our economy. Jobs are already being effected by it, and the employer mandate doesn’t even take place until 2015. And verified facts? You guys keep parroting white house talking points that don’t even look remotely similar to the true statistics.

  • mike_in_kosovo

    The Cult of Common Sense and Sound Logic Based On Verified Facts. You should join us.

    Join you in *not* displaying common sense (or any *other* kind), not displaying *ANY* logic and *IGNORING* verified fact, you mean?

    Obama has presided over more months of unemployment over 8% than *every* President, *combined*, since *WWII*.

  • jetch

    you sound delusional. your faith in your government to only give you “verified facts” is really disturbing. you’re in for a very hard fall when you realize they were lying to you.

  • therealobladioblada

    Here’s some “verified” facts for you.

    Teen unemployment rate: 24.0%

    Black unemployment rate: 13.7%

    Hispanic unemployment rate: 9.1%

    36.7% of the unemployed out of work for 27 weeks or more

    Civilian labor force participation rate: 63.5% ( lowest since 1979)

    8.2 million involuntary part-time workers (those who want full time work), an increase of 322,000 this quarter

    Pure bliss!

    http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.nr0.htm

  • Ronald Green

    Hahahaha, that was a good one.

  • WutDixLibsR

    The only facts are that the average wage of Americans is getting lower every year, yet the cost of everything is going up. You explain to me how that is any good..

  • Adela Wagner

    Continuing to way overspend money we do NOT HAVE. Yep, how could we think that’s not common sense.

    Giving amnesty to MILLIONS when they are breaking federal law and we are letting them come from a country that is NOT even persecuting them. WoW, we need to wake up to that common sense.

    Putting ILLEGAL ALIENS in front of Americans for jobs, batting a thousand in the common sense game there buddy.

    Pushing through a 2700 page piece of crap bill that is putting people out of work, along with 20,000 pages of regulations added, measuring 7.5 feet high…MUST BE TONS of Sound Logic in there we are ALL GONNA LOVE.

    Supporting a wishy washy screw America, support the Muslim Brotherhood, Anti-Pres of the USA…Well, I guess thats where the cult crap rolls in.

    Yep, we need to join up…go read the Cloward-Piven strategy (they were waiting for those like yourself), YOU are being SO USED and you are too in love and ignorant to see it.

  • Stephen L. Hall

    I think the engine of your economic rocket recovery is just a balloon powered by hot air. Drifting ever so slowly and without direction.

  • http://www.vatican.va/ Rulz

    LOL!

    That rocket is traveling the wrong direction, that’s for sure!

  • TocksNedlog

    You’re exactly right.

    One of them escapes earth’s gravitational pull and achieves orbit, while the other one plunges to the ground in a fiery crash.

    Good analogy!

  • Ronald Green

    Hahahaha, that’s another good one, keep it up. I need some more good jokes to cheer me up right now.

  • therantinggeek

    *watches as a few birds poke holes in said balloon* 😛

  • DefCon99

    but it can flame out.

  • http://www.black-and-right.com/ IceColdTroll

    What’s holding YOU down?

  • Joe W.

    Maybe so, Dipshlt, but who in the hell owns stock anymore?? Certainly not the 20% unemployed or underemployed.

  • Stephen L. Hall

    1) One socialist can not change our country into a socialist state.

    2) The stock market is measured in nominal, not real dollars. Print enough money and the nominal value (price) will increase even as the real value decreases.

  • therantinggeek

    Good grief. We’re not playing this “Well, if the stock market has reached an all-time high, then SURELY the economy is back on track” bit again, are we?

  • Karl H

    If the stock market were growing because US jobs and manufacturing were growing it would be a very good thing. However the stock market is growing because the fed is pumping it with $40B per month.That is US tax payer money being sent to To wall street (you know the money behind the Obama campaign)

    What public schools failed to teach you about Math, Science History and Critical thinking is what democrats like Obama count on to keep them in office.

    The logic your are using goes something like this: Horses run really fast therefore if I drag this dead horse around by its head with a bus eventually it will start running really fast.

    Unfortunately that is the same economic wisdom Obama is using. The only problem is he should know better while you are just a useful idiot. So applying logic to that would allow only one of two possibilities.

    a) Obama is quite possibly the stupidest human being to ever stand upright.

    or

    b) Obama knows exactly what he is doing and he is intentionally doing irreparable harm to the US.

  • http://www.vatican.va/ Rulz

    It’s called crony capitalism.

    I thought Obama and the democrats were going to stop the rich and give to the poor.

    So much for # occupy.

    More left-wing hypocrites.

  • TocksNedlog

    “terrible Socialist” is kind of redundant, don’t ya think?

  • rambler

    The stock market rose and shows an increase in dollars because those dollars aren’t worth as much. The gov can’t print money and have the value of that money go up.

  • KhadijahMuhammad

    The stock market rises with corporate earnings. Corporate earnings rise when you do more business but don’t hire anybody. or hire them overseas.

    The stock market is rising because businesses are finding ways to make money without hiring anybody.

    Hope that helps.

  • WutDixLibsR

    damn! you liberals are just so stupid!! Just because the rich made money you think that helps the rest of us?? in fact the money they make is from us. The stocks went up because big business is making more money by paying us less, wages are going down, not up. They profit by getting rid of full time workers and replacing with part time workers and not having to pay for full time benefits!! They also make more money by outsourcing work overseas, taking away jobs from us.

    You stupid damn sheep!! Quit following blindly, try to think for yourself for once.

  • http://pamphlet-news.com Mojeaux

    He is. He and Ben printed $5T to make it go from $6600 to $15000. But the moment he threatens to take the trough away it drops 5%.

    You don’t find it funny that all these socialists say how they’re for the poor and sharing the wealth and they themselves are worth millions? So people like you ignore unemployment, 50M on food stamps and increasing poverty but point to the rich man’s playground to say how good things are.

  • Joe W.

    What in the hell are we “winning”, pal??

  • http://www.black-and-right.com/ IceColdTroll

    It’s a “recovery” the way a terminal patient is “surviving” on feeding tubes and a heart/lung machine. It’s a farce, half of which is crooked accounting and the other half of which is the lies of the Collaborationist Media.

  • Derek

    Dude, say that crap to the people who have struggling to find and keep jobs. Tell that garbage to the factory worker or manufacturer that was working 40 hours a week and now struggles to get 30. This isn’t a Tea Party narrative; it’s what’s really happened. Wake up. The economy is cyclical; it always has been. The difference is this recovery is something we haven’t experienced before, and the reason why is because Obama and his administration know nothing about business, which is why it sucks right now. But try explaining this to an Obama shill like you, and you say garbage like you said above.

  • http://www.vatican.va/ Rulz

    First of all, in sports if you care at all about succeeding, you should CARE about how you win because some of the time it’s a bad call or just pure dumb luck.

    Secondly, this means your linear analogy is off. Even under someone like Obama/Joe Biden, the economy will have ups and downs. It did even during the Great Depression.

    But overall we are in serious trouble and really, because of foreign banks holding US dollars and IOUs, we don’t completely control out destiny anymore.

  • Stephen L. Hall

    Improving . . . slightly . . . but not really enough to keep up with a modest population growth. More like the economy is just treading water.

  • tops116

    Looks like Twitchy hit a nerve. You’re gonna get carpal tunnel syndrome at this rate. That’s make it really hard to jam your fingers in your ears and shout “Obama is super-awesome cause I say so!”

    By the by, what do you have to say about a certain Illinois Senate candidate in 2004 dismissing 310,000 jobs under Bush as not good enough? Well, that must be different… in a way I’m sure you won’t actually will explain, but will instead post some mindless, deflecting rhetoric in a desperate attempt to try to both save face and convince yourself that you’re actually clever.

  • http://www.black-and-right.com/ IceColdTroll

    The economy would be collapsing completely if it wasn’t for you pimping out your little sister. But even that’s gonna dry up when you gotta start paying for her health benefits.

  • http://www.vatican.va/ Rulz

    Sorry, but if you want to be scientifically sound (you were bleating about common sense and facts in an earlier post) then you have to be able to ANALYZE the numbers and not take them at face value especially when politics are involved.

    You see, that is what those of us in higher academia do, but if that is “standing your on your head wearing sunglasses” or tinfoil or whatever, then this discussion is fruitless.

    As far as Battle Hymn of the Republic goes…Got Benghazi?

  • therantinggeek

    Thank you for that astute observation, Captain Obvious. 😛 #sarcasm

  • RememberSekhmet

    Sure it could, if Bernanke is handing out freshly-printed dollars to investors.

  • Ronald

    It’s therefore obvious that Obama is not a socialist in the pejorative sense of the word. Not sure if the average Twitchy user will appreciate that.

  • TocksNedlog

    You’re right. He’s a crony-capitalist Socialist hybrid.
    Feel better now?

  • ObamaFail

    The stock market is thriving only because Obama is printing money almost as fast as he can spend it. THe more money printed, the higher stocks go up. But it also eventually decreases the value of the dollar.

  • http://helpfulsolutions.org TheDoctorWhoCuresCancer

    Based on the tripled money supply, the DOW should be 22,000+ just to stay even. There is additional pent up inflation in those extra dollars which means when it hits fully, holy cr*p it’ll be bad.

  • http://www.vatican.va/ Rulz

    Probably, but then again, even Cuba and the USSR didn’t have REAL socialism.

    No way the night janitor at Moscow and Havanna high made the same as the KGB or the Castro boys.

    Crony capitalism and some really ignorant investors.

    Man, you can see why they call it other people’s money.

  • Stephen L. Hall

    But a far different, and more accurate, analogy than a rocket going into space at 1900 km per hour.

  • therantinggeek

    Nice try, but thanks for playing :)

  • ObamaFail

    Actually, it’s the Democrats, spending trillions a year and preventing every attempt to balance the budget, something that has been proven to be leading us to future economic disaster. If you are going to blame Republicans, at least make sure that you aren’t blaming them for what the Democrats are doing.

  • Joe W.

    Hogwash. The average American owns NO stock. Or a house. And the unemployed far outnumber the number of unemployed when your boy took over. You fail, Peabrain. Just like your boy has failed America. Wise up. If it’s possible.

  • therantinggeek

    “Shrinking” unemployment rate? Surely you’re not referring to the U-3 numbers, are you?

  • http://www.vatican.va/ Rulz

    The stock market is basically a bubble, the housing market isn’t something I’d invest in and unemployment will go back up once ObamaCare kicks in if not before.

    Success in this country is being done “in spite of, not because of Obama” to quote Gingrich.

  • TocksNedlog

    Gee, just think about how low the unemployment rate will be when Obamacare kicks in and we’re ALL working!

    Part-time.

    AND we somehow have to find the money to purchase health insurance with our part-time wages.

    Whoo-hoo!

  • Joe W.

    Don’t forget your parting gifts and the home version of Twitchy as you exit, stage right, Ryan.

  • therantinggeek

    +1

  • Joe W.

    That’s too deep for Ryan’s feeble mind to comprehend, Stephen. He is, after all, an Obamanomics believer.

  • Ronald

    Are you suggesting that those holding stocks, like me, are not benefiting in real dollars? I beg to differ.

  • Joe W.

    Nailed it.

  • Ronald

    I don’t particularly like Obama, but it’s hard to deny that things have improved a bit. You can blame him, or you can praise him, or you can accept that POTUS is not omnipotent, and focus on fixing the problems of the system itself.

  • Ronald

    You like to call people names, but if you’re so smart, why aren’t you proposing any solutions? What is your magic solution to solve the challenges of globalization? You think America can solve a problem that plagues the entire globe? Use your head.

  • http://www.vatican.va/ Rulz

    I just think it’s funny how the left is using a metric that evil Wall Street lives and breathes by to justify Obama is helping.

  • http://youhavetobethistalltogoonthisride.blogspot.com/ keyboard jockey

    Well you know when the US Senate get’s through passing Obama’s amnesty agenda, and we add 11 million illegals, and their chain migration close relatives and neighbors to the economy, we will see an improvement in unemployment/

    McCain and Graham said so, it’s in our best interest, really !!eleventy!!.

  • Stephen L. Hall

    Why yes, yes I can . . . but you wouldn’t like the solution.

  • Joe W.

    Up yours, Ronnie. I have no time for your drivel today or any other day. Go troll someone else, shiltforbrains.

  • Marcy Cook

    But…but…we have a Messiah. He can do all things.

  • http://www.vatican.va/ Rulz

    We propose solutions all the time, but the media doesn’t cover that.

    Paul Ryan has a health care alternative to ObamaCare, and we’ve been saying for years now (even under Bush) that the government needs to stay OUT of the private sector aside from some very generic refereeing and let it work!

    Stop the war on coal

    Build the Keystone Pipeline

    Repeal Dodd/Frank and ObamaCare!

  • The Penguin

    To be more self-sustaining, instead of importing everything we need from other countries. Make something here besides cars. Support and promote the farmers in THIS country. I think it would help. What’s the gross national product these days? Information?

  • mike_in_kosovo

    For a *supposed* business owner, you’re pretty clueless, aren’t you?

  • Ronald

    Things are getting better for the wealthy day by day. And the multinationals are sitting on record profits! Just wait a while, I’m sure it will trickle down to you.

  • Ronald

    Citation needed. Please show where anyone expected an instant recovery.

  • Joe W.

    True. Barky promised 6% or lower unemployment after 1 year. It has only got worse. MUCH worse. And moon bats like Ryan and Ronald McDonald STILL worship his azz. Idiots.

  • Stephen L. Hall

    You didn’t read me state that he was a socialist, though I believe he is. I referred to a socialist economy, that is centrally controlled and government manipulated. We are trending towards that type of nonsense, but we are still far from it. I’m sure you would not appreciate the difference.

  • http://www.black-and-right.com/ IceColdTroll

    “In the pejorative sense”? Nice finesse. In other words, you stipulate he may be a socialist in the complimentary sense of the word.

  • Karl H

    No I do not Believe Obama is stupid, so his economic policy is not made because he fails to understand capitalism. But He is a socialist and as a socialist he understands the Frankfurt school and knows the only thing keeping socialism at bay is the free market. If you can rapidly inflate the free market then crash it the people will naturally clamor for the government to take over.

    In the US it is Auto manufacturing, Oil and Healthcare. Destroy these markets and you can have a turn key Socialist Government. Now it does mean that during the transition no one will get shot, but rising energy costs and food cost will likely kill tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands because there will be utter chaos and a Government that lacks the resources but you have to break some eggs to make an omelette.

    So yes he is a socialist but unlike many of his socialist predecessors he is too cowardly to do the wet work. Hence his fondness for drones and being unavailable when Americans are being killed.

  • TocksNedlog

    You’re right. He’s a crony-capitalist Socialist hybrid.
    Feel better now?
    :=)

  • Stephen L. Hall

    Beg all you want, but if prices increase faster than the price of the stocks, you are not benefiting. Unfortunately, commodity inflation lags the excessive printing of money and is currently being held in check by the unwillingness of banks to lend.

  • Karl H

    No what he is pointing out is that stock holders are not earning money in the stock market. Stock holders are benefiting from the new wall street welfare system.

    So you are not investing you are paying a welfare club membership. Think of welfare as walmart, you are just going to sams club.It is the same Government entitlement program just on a bulk scale.

  • http://www.vatican.va/ Rulz

    The fact that you own stocks doesn’t mean that you understand what’s going on.

    And if you REALLY do own them—you might want to take a look at what Soros is doing in recent months….

  • TocksNedlog

    How’s the purchasing power of those “real dollars” working out for ya?

  • http://helpfulsolutions.org TheDoctorWhoCuresCancer

    When the money supply triples while the DOW doubles, it means there is a 50% loss in real value. IOW, the DOW should be at 22,000+ based on the money supply.

  • Ronald

    So you didn’t say he was a socialist, but you believe he is? Ok. I understand.

  • Joe W.

    Of course he wouldn’t He’s a liberal.

  • John Thomas “Jack” Ward III

    ANd, Socialists deserve more insults than Complements. Hence… Jawamax 8<{D}

  • Ronald

    You’ve just added in another factor: inflation. That’s a different argument.

  • Stephen L. Hall

    That’s not a different or added factor, that is what the distinction of nominal vs. real dollars means.

  • http://www.vatican.va/ Rulz

    Yeah, because it busts up every point the left has made on this thread.

    Don’t worry, it’s coming, so you better have those “It’s all Bush’s fault” and “Bush’s wars” excuses handy.

  • therantinggeek

    I’ll take what’s behind Door #3, Monty. :)

  • TocksNedlog

    He IS “the system”. That’s the problem!

  • Ronald

    Sorry, you’re correct. I see you’ve got nominal in your first post.

  • Stephen L. Hall

    You do realize that the first amendment refers only to government action, do you not? Apparently not.

  • therantinggeek

    I was about to say, “freedom of speech” doesn’t apply when you’re purposefully violating the Terms of Service on Twitchy.

    Swing-and-a-miss, strike two.

  • Joe W.

    Oh, quit bellyaching, Sparky. Twitchy deletes a lot of my comments, too. They don’t like it when a poster uses a derogatory name for folks. Since I love to use those names, I get a lot of comments censored. It’s THEIR site, Cupcake. They can allow whatever they want. Get over it.

  • http://www.nleomf.org/officers/ FlatFoot

     
    What are you pissin’ and moanin’ about like a Woman scorned?

    Real men Swagger — Girly men who get all verklempt over ill perceived wrongs Swish. Now put down your crying towel and get a grip on yourself, Ryan Swisher. And I don’t mean literally… put the Jerkens lotion away, slapdick.

    I count at least 19 posts made by you in this Twitchy thread alone. And, naturally, most of them are clearly Troll posts.
     

  • TocksNedlog

    Seriously, just pick up a copy of the Constitution some day and READ it!

    Who knows? You might (*might*) learn something.

  • ObamaFail

    If your comment got deleted, it is because you put something against community guidelines. Obviously using language that you shouldn’t be using. You have the right to an opinion, but the admins also have the right to decide what kind of language is allowed

  • Stephen L. Hall

    That’s okay, it’s easy to overlook things in the heat of a discussion.

  • Ronald

    I like the capital H, but really, it’s not necessary. 😉

  • therantinggeek

    Then try refuting fact with fact, rather than relying on emotional-based arguments. :)

    Swing-and-a-miss, Strike three. :)

  • http://www.black-and-right.com/ IceColdTroll

    Go pout on the Kos about the all the big meanies.

  • Marcy Cook

    Awwww poor little sensitive baby….are you taking your ball and going home to mommy now? I feel so bad.

  • John Thomas “Jack” Ward III

    FACTS ARE FACTS! STRIKE THREE, YOU’RE OUT! Jawamax 8<{D}

  • RedSoloCup

  • Hiraghm

    “ridiculous conservative” is an oxymoron.

  • Ronald

    Typical Joe. W. response. Why come here unless you want to debate? Or would you rather just continue on with your circle jerk uninterrupted?

  • Ronald

    I wish that were true.

  • Ronald

    Pretty much. You forgot the part where he says, “I’m a God-fearing Christain sh#tforbrains.”

  • http://www.black-and-right.com/ IceColdTroll

    Yes, liberty, both political and economic is generally a good solution to most political and economic problems.

    I don’t know where your obsession with gay sex is coming from though, but I guess we can consign that to our unwilling imaginations.

  • http://www.vatican.va/ Rulz

    The solution is to get government out of people’s lives, not to agree with it when it takes from others and gives to your friends for their demented sex lives so that you get your straight white male guilt on.

  • Ronald

    Now I’m curious!

  • therantinggeek

    If you want to call out the Bureau of Labor Statistics for their data, you’re welcome to it. I don’t rely on the stock market as an indicator of the economy because of its volatility. Two, it relies HEAVILY on speculation.

    Seeing how this continuing this conversation is completely pointless – not to mention you seem to be wearing a shirt that reads, “I reject your reality and substitute my own” – I bid you good day, sir :)

  • Joe W.

    In other words, when YOU examine the numbers, YOU can deny them and draw a different picture. One that makes absolutely no sense. What, specifically is misleading about his numbers, Mr. Wizard??

  • Joe W.

    Ronald misses a lot in the “heat” of a discussion.

  • Ronald

    Certainly. Some are benefiting while others are not.

  • OldmanRick

    And the brat is knowledgeable in the areas of accounting, economics and general business practices?
    Math and common sense are not part of the brat’s skill set. His only claim to fame is when he was a small Marxist community agitator.

  • Ronald

    Maybe. I try to admit it when I do. That’s only fair.

  • jb

    Well, it’s like any addict that’s given up: they are ALWAYS in recovery.

  • Joe W.

    Bwahahahahahahahahhahahahahahha…snort..snort..bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahha

  • John Thomas “Jack” Ward III

    Ha. I’m laughing… Ha. Jawamax 8<{D}

  • http://www.nleomf.org/officers/ FlatFoot

     
    Unwad your panties — Officer Doofy.

  • ObamaFail

    Except you aren’t actually doing anything but parroting the discredited nonsense fed to you by the liberal media.

  • TocksNedlog

    Just because your Messiah laid hands upon you does not mean that your dooty is “sacred”.

  • KhadijahMuhammad

    And yet…….your facts are incorrect.

  • jb

    October 2012 unemployment rate: 7.7 or 7.8?
    8 months later: 7.6%.
    WOWW!!!!!!!! AWESOME!!!!!!! right track! summer recovery! Yea!

  • Guest

    They’re real because that is what they are, regardless of what the TEA PARTY does.

  • mike_in_kosovo

    Living in bizarro world, are you?

  • lainer51

    as Billary would say
    “what difference does it make?”

  • http://www.black-and-right.com/ IceColdTroll

    Stupid di(k, you can’t even spell “Christian,” why should we think you have any mental competence beyond that of a fourth grader?

  • http://www.vatican.va/ Rulz

    There’s a lot of God-fearing African-Americans.

    Does that name-calling pertain to them, too?

    I think you’re getting close to being a racist.

  • Ronald

    The word socialist can certainly be used in a complimentary way. One must look at the history of the word and how it has been used. The Soviets used the word to lend credibility to their cause, however it’s clear that the U.S.S.R, was by no means socialist in the true sense of the word. The real meaning is: social ownership of the means of production and co-operative management of the economy.
    The Soviets certainly did not share the means of production, nor were the people involved in managing the economy. Meanwhile, the US, during the cold war, tended to demonize the word, and it took on a different meaning within the West.

  • http://www.black-and-right.com/ IceColdTroll

    Actually, “real” unemployment takes into account those who have been on UE benefits so long they have exhausted them, no longer receive them, and so do not appear in the official numbers. Good work though. In another few years, California, New York, New Jersey, and possibly Illinois will all be utterly bankrupt, there will bo NO money to dispense, there will be NOBODY on their welfare or unemployment enrollment, and how good the numbers will look then!

  • http://www.vatican.va/ Rulz

    There is no “fake” economy. What’s fake is how the fed and its liberal allies in the mainstream media cook the books on stats to help democrats win re-election.

  • mike_in_kosovo

    That’s correct, there is a “real unemployment” – it’s the U6 number which the press was only too willing to speak of during the Bush administration, but somehow can’t seem to find during the Obama admin.

  • http://www.black-and-right.com/ IceColdTroll

    Another thing to keep in mind is that government jobs — which I suspect is where most of the “growth” is coming from (the growth on paper), although they may be vital, are not direct positive contributers to the economy the way private sector jobs are.

  • http://disqussucks.com/ richardcranium

    So youre blaming bush? That’s real original!

  • Michael Anderson (WB)

    They’re not real because every time this administration releases new jobs numbers with great fanfare they quietly issue a correction that bumps the numbers up. It’s a scam perpetrated by the administration.

  • Ronald

    Fine. If you want to judge mental competence on the frequency of typos in our respective posts, I suggest you’ll lose.

  • Karl H

    Yes but benefiting how? It is one thing if Wall Street is posting profits from bringing goods and services to the market which translate into real jobs in the market. It is quite another thing if the Profits are gained from sacking the tax payers with the debt from their failed investments so they can still post a bottom line in black rather than red ink.

    It is a welfare scheme. Sure people are making money now but ultimately unless the dead horse actually gets up and runs then end result is the head will pop off of the body and the entire corpse will be sent flinging wildly into the crowd.

    It would be best not to be standing in the front row when this happens. Unfortunately most people understand very little about how Wall street and the fed works. If they did, as Henry Ford said:

    It is well that the people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning.”
    -Henry Ford

  • John Thomas “Jack” Ward III

    Yeah, but…WHERE’S MY JOB MR. MARX-er, OBAMA?!? Jawamax 8<{D}

  • http://www.vatican.va/ Rulz

    He did debate. Problem is you think you’re right no matter what.

  • V the K

    Except for the lack of jobs or real economic growth, and the stagnating wages, and the massive injections of printed/borrowed money to keep the stock market inflated, and the massive unemployment among youth and minorities … leave out all of that, and it’s a pretty good recovery.

  • Ronald

    What have you been wrong about lately? Looking forward to the details.

  • http://www.vatican.va/ Rulz

    Really? I thought democrats were supposed to punish those evil rich people for “stealing” stuff from the poor, foreign nations, other cultures and for using slave labour 300 years ago.

    Joe W lives in Texas, and yes it is trickling down. Their GDP just went up almost 5%.

    And actually, it’ll come to you faster from a rich person who gives you a job as opposed to government which has no market discipline and wastes money.

    But just keep telling yourself that those democrats “care”.

    When stuff hits the fan sooner than later, give the White House and Harry Reid a call and see if they’ll help you and your family.

    Because they “care”.

    GOP 2014

  • Ronald

    How did you find out about these solutions if the media didn’t cover them? Maybe one of those chain letter things? Oh, I know! Two cans with string between them!

    Furthermore, I was talking about him specifically. Not ‘we’.

  • http://www.vatican.va/ Rulz

    How about all these media headlines that say the number of unemployment claims kept “unexpectedly” rising?

  • grais

    Peggy Joseph : “I won’t have to worry about putting gas in my car; I won’t have to worry about my mortgage…”

    Millions of similarly low-info, dumb voters put Obama in the WH.
    smh

  • http://www.vatican.va/ Rulz

    It’s a “recovery” to the them because Obama is in office and you can put a plus sign in front a number here or there.

    It’s more about mathematical probability and what some would primitively call “the ebb and flow” as opposed to any Obama policies, which are giant job killers.

    Remember when the media nearly had a stroke when unemployment ticked over 5% under Bush?

    That sums up this discussion.

  • John Thomas “Jack” Ward III

    Because, of course, it’s “The Wrong Way” #Sublime #BradleyNowell #MusicTriviaTime Jawamax 8<{D}

  • http://www.vatican.va/ Rulz

    It’s a bubble.

  • Ronald

    Do you consider the taxes you pay be punishments for your success? I don’t. I feel proud to pay my taxes. America has provided me with everything I need to become moderately wealthy and I feel like paying taxes is fair. To do anything else is the definition of freeloading.

  • Ronald

    You sound like someone from Occupy.

  • Ronald

    What the heck are you talking about?

  • Ronald

    You’re way off topic. Please read the thread before you interject nonsense.

  • Ronald

    Do you have any education? Just curious. Did you graduate from high school? Do you have any post secondary?

  • Ronald

    You don’t get a job. That’s the beauty of the system. You get screwed while I get rich.

  • TocksNedlog

    Crony capitalism cheered on by the proletariat. “Useful idiots” indeed.

  • John Thomas “Jack” Ward III

    Thank you for proving our point. Jawamax 8<{D}

  • ObamaFail

    And that is the problem with the Obama economy. The people Obama claimed to hate are thriving, while the little man Obama claimed to care about is being choked to death by regulations and the inability to find decent work so they can earn enough money to keep their family fed, clothed, and in a home.

  • The Penguin

    Wow! The narcissism. Your disdain for your fellow Americans, human beings actually, is unfathomable. How and when did this happen? Just curious.

  • John Thomas “Jack” Ward III

    Something you LibTrolls have no problem accusing Conservatives and Republicans of… ‘Nuff said! Jawamax 8<{D}

  • http://www.nleomf.org/officers/ FlatFoot

    “I’m not trolling, I am doing a sacred duty.”

  • TocksNedlog

    Aren’t those goal posts starting to get heavy?

  • http://www.vatican.va/ Rulz

    I have to get that from either the radio or FOX NEWS because the the mainstream media is too busy trying to cover for Obama and Biden, convince people the GOP has to be progressive or die out and coronate Hilary as the next president.

    But you just go ahead and believe the source is the problem. It’s one of the caves liberals retreat to when they lose an argument.

  • TocksNedlog

    Yes, you really do wish that you could worship him as God-on-Earth, don’t you.

  • V the K

    Actually, the real growth industry under Obama is people on disability. It’s a two-fer for the left. They get another Government dependent and, once someone is “disabled,” they drop off the unemployment numbers.

  • TocksNedlog

    “Look, Nanny McPhail, I brought you a present — money!”

  • The Penguin

    So then you base your opinion on your own position as opposed to the country as a whole? Not everyone is reaping any benefits from this economic toilet flushing. Just trying to hold on to what they have, and maybe have something for the future.

  • http://www.vatican.va/ Rulz

    It’s not what a person “considers”, it’s what the market can handle.

    Sure, you can be proud all you want to pay taxes, but if you are taxed to a certain point, you can’t hire more people because you’re giving all your extra money to the government, which wastes it on wars and paying people to sit on their butts at home so they can watch cable TV.

    I’ll let you in a little secret—-99.99% of Americans don’t mind paying the tax. It’s just how much they pay that is the problem.

    But you can’t accept that because the left lives and breathes on having villians (to quote Rush) and your side has to invent the idea that the rich would NEVER help anyone without taxes and the Democratic Party.

    Speaking of freeloading—-what’s with all the rich democrats who don’t pay their taxes? And how about that left-wing search engine Google funneling its money through the Caymans and Ireland to lower its US tax obligation by over 20%?

  • TocksNedlog

    Why? It’s never stopped YOU before.

  • http://www.vatican.va/ Rulz

    Nonsense?!?!

    Michelle Malkin has been tracking that same headline for YEARS!

    “Oh, well, gee, we here at TV station XYZ and paper ABC are stymied that Obama’s polices are not working.”

  • The Penguin

    Correct. Except if the amount of people not working and collecting unemployment were to be considered., it would be much much higher. This being the number that matters most. How many people are out of work, not how many are on unemployment.

  • Zane Henry

    the U6 is somewhere near 16%. Shocking. the u6 under Bush was 8.5% in 06.

    When we create only 50% of the jobs necessary to keep up with simple population churn, we’re still nowhere close to recovery. And the sugar rush for Wall Street is going to end abruptly in the near future. it’s going to be carnage. All done 100% with malice aforethought

  • ObamaFail

    Except things have gotten far worse under Obama. THe only difference is that the liberal media constantly tweaks the numbers to make Obama look good. The fact is, you have people getting cut from full-time to part-time. That’s not being counted. That’s called underemployed. The people on welfare are not counted. If everyone was counted, the underemployed as well, the true unemployment rate would be over 10%. But you libs don’t use facts. You use MSNBC and CNN talking points. The two networks who have numerous times in the past helped cover up how bad things are under Obama.

  • mike_in_kosovo

    The trend that ACCELERATED under Obama, then flatlined since? Or a different one?

  • http://www.vatican.va/ Rulz

    Too bad they weren’t tracking “saved or created” jobs under Bush or cutting the real unemployment by 33%.

  • ObamaFail

    Ryan and his other liberal buddies watch too much MSNBC. They hear the talking lapdogs there say that everything is awesome. And those welfare leeches lap it up. The facts are things are getting harder and harder for the average American. The liberals are too blinded by Obama’s skin color to admit anything. That, or they are too scared to admit how bad things are, because the race-baiting liberals have them convinced that if they complain, that it means they are racist.

  • ObamaFail

    Except the wars have continued all the way into Obama’s second term. And more troops have been killed under Obama then what was killed under Bush. So Obama failed to keep that promise too.

  • TocksNedlog

    And now let’s have a graph comparing it to the workforce participation rate.

  • $3842491

    Not as inconvenient for you as this:

  • Misanthrope

    Why don’t you put up a graph comparing job creation for the past 5 recessions?
    Or is that inconvenient, too?

  • KhadijahMuhammad

    Nothing inconvenient about it. You still have the impossible task of linking that very natural reversion to mean to any Obama policy.

    Good luck. Correlation is not causation.

  • ObamaFail

    That’s the problem. All swag, no brains or substance.

  • Stephen L. Hall

    Isn’t swag just another name used by pirates for ill-gotten loot?

  • V the K

    Yes, because as the way the Obamunist Government reckons unemployment, if your benefits run out, you are no longer considered unemployed.

  • squeeze127

    Could this be termed “American Summer???”

  • mike_in_kosovo

    Friday night doc dumps!

  • mike_in_kosovo

    With a *bad* leak.

  • DirtyDave

    Evidence, please, of your claims.

  • TocksNedlog

    Talking points meme-o.

  • journogal

    How did Bush destroy anyone’s lives? Are you so incapable of controlling the destiny of your own life that you blame the government for your actions?

  • neoface

    When all fails just refer back to Bush. Did Obama give you a script, more teens have a job? You need to get out of your delusional world, I know the real one aren’t pretty, but you probably can’t go on your yacht like Kerry or travel the world like Obama.

  • mike_in_kosovo

    in order to make Big Oil and Halliburton rich

    Except that American companies weren’t bidding for Iraqi oil.

    Bush’s illegal wars

    You mean the ones that he got approval from Congress for, unlike Zero’s Middle-Eastern Adventure?

    Gotta love idiots whose only arguments come from so-often disproved #LowInfoLib memes.

  • KhadijahMuhammad

    “It’s pretty funny how everyone wants to disparage the nearest black man instead of talking about how Bush destroyed the lives of millions of women, children, minorities, and gays in order to make Big Oil and Halliburton rich.”

    Franklin Pierce was a crappy president. I can’t figure out why nobody wants to talk about him.

  • dogwonder

    Yea unlike Bush Obama spies on Americans not Islamofascists, unlike Bush Obama has spent more money than all of our presidents combined. As for your illegal wars, your side is arming the very organization that murdered nearly 3000 Americans on 911.

  • Stephen L. Hall

    Neo, you forgot to mention the baseless accusation of racism, which comes as standard fare when liberals have no argument.

  • neoface

    I know the race card is getting old, people might be ignoring it.

  • http://chicagoboyz.net/ TMLutas

    2016, the disability insurance trust fund goes broke and payments get reduced absent a legal change. We’re going to have an amazing number of miraculous recoveries right about that point.

  • AD_Rtr_OS

    “on disability”
    It’s a Government Non-Job.

  • therantinggeek

    *gigglesnort*

  • neoface

    The good selling point about reading the constitution is its only 6 pages(foundation that build this nation), unlike Obamacare 2,700 pages mess, smoke and mirror for biggest tax increase on the working class.

  • V the K

    Props to you for trying to talk sense into Obama Cultists; but I hope you’re doing to amuse yourself. You’d have better luck talking Tom Cruise out of Scientology than convincing an Obamunist that their Cult Leader isn’t as awesome as they seem to think.

  • Armando

    Just ask the fox news watchers that were assured that Romney was going to win the election… Actually they avoided the hard fall and became more delusional

  • http://amandakmelson.wordpress.com/ GreenEyedGal

    He’s just doing what his public school education has taught him. He doesn’t know how to dig for facts. He doesn’t understand he hasn’t been taught logic or how to think, so that he’s able to know when he’s being lied to. I would feel pity for him if he and all the rest of his classmates weren’t responsible for the mess we’re in. They scare the hell out of me.

  • R.C.

    Not THOSE facts.
    He means the facts 0bama told him; he is laser like focused on jobs and the economy and fixing the middle class, and Joe Biden said we were in Recovery summer, you know, back in 09?
    Its those facts of which he speaks, you silly conservatives keep using real facts, logic and common sense combined with reality.

  • mike_in_kosovo

    No doubt!

  • Ronald Green

    It’s actually around 14% but don’t tell Ryan or Ronald, their heads might explode.

  • Ronald Green

    No, this was a caustic reply to one of our resident liberal trolls, the “this comment was deleted” should be on your feed as well.

  • WutDixLibsR

    And what does that have to do with what we’re talking about. You liberals are just so lost.

    Lost little sheep.

    I would feel sorry for you libs, but your views are so damaging to society and this country that I just feel anger instead.

    What’s sad is that you liberals will win in the end, then all hell will break lose and we’ll all be screwed. Once you stupid libs see what a hell you’re creating it will be too late, We’ll be living in a society much worse that any this world has ever seen.

    You dumb sheep follow obama blindly, what a shame, and you think us conservatives do the same, well, we don’t. I didn’t vote for Mitt because I thought he was going to save the world like you think obama will, I voted for mitt because he was the lesser of 2 evils.

    Until you stupid people realize that NO politician cares about you, we’ll all be F’d.

    Do you really think that someone who has millions/billions of dollars cares about some poor scum like you and me? The elite only see us as toys, and while we’re free and have a vote, they see us as a threat.

    The most ignorant part of this is calling yourself a liberal, or a democrat, or a republican or a conservative. Me, I’m a person, and I don’t make my decisions on what others do or say, I judge each decision on it’s own, sometimes I might vote republican, the next, democrat.

  • Adela Wagner

    And that is why many of us are not enamored with the republican party. They are shooting themselves in the foot. We are FOR AMERICA. Not some political party “gotta go along to get along” crappola. We are focused on doing what is right to keep our Sovereign Nation the place that people have died to protect and many have sacrificed to come in the front door, making it a better place than when they first arrived.
    This two party system that makes back room deals and threats is NO LONGER putting The Peoples interests first. And yes, we are willing to fight FOR you. And all the others who are too ignorant to see what is coming our way.

    If it all goes down, we will all be sitting in the dirt with flies up our noses, the only difference will be, you will be on the side that helped put us there.

  • KhadijahMuhammad

    Slam dunk.

  • WutDixLibsR

    What everyone replying to you didn’t mention/say/ask you, what the hell makes you think we liked everything Bush did? I hate obama, but that don’t mean I liked Bush you stupid dumb liberal.

    We hated some things Bush did and liked other thing, the main thing is we made a separate decision for each incident. If Bush screwed up we got pissed, not you stupid liberals though, to you anything the holy obams does is perfect and right. As soon as you hear obama did something you agree with it, even if you have no idea what it was he did.

  • jtak101

    You can throw around worthless stats all day..but all you have to do is take a look around to know that obamas economy is an utter failure.

  • mike_in_kosovo

    And goodness knows we’ve seen plenty of worthless stats being thrown around by Obama supporters.

  • Wow_Who_Would_Think

    And allowing million of low skills people to become residents of the USA is going to be more competition for all those low skilled jobs.

  • http://helpfulsolutions.org TheDoctorWhoCuresCancer

    Except for the 130,000,000 who were killed last century under socialism…well it still sucked.

  • Karl H

    No Occupy is just the poorer version of Wall Street as it stands today. Wall Street used to represent wealth and industry which was good, now it represents crony capitalism which is just a nice way of saying beggars and thieves in expensive suits.

    There is no difference between Wall Street and they guy who claims his knee injury from high school football has left him so incapacitated that he can not work and needs social security for the rest of his days.

    Both are just riding off the backs of what is left of the industrial Americans. Lazy good for nothing bums.

  • BayushiZero

    “amazing number of miraculous recoveries”, sure. And a ton of people with real disabilities who will be up a creek…

    I, for instance, cannot work. So what the hell am I supposed to do in 2016?

    Thanks, Obama.

  • http://chicagoboyz.net/ TMLutas

    You’re up the creek already. The truly disabled should be spitting mad at the present political class. We are not making proper provision for the disabled at present and it’s likely to get much worse.

  • BayushiZero

    Yeah, I figured that much already.

    I doubt I can survive on my own, though I can give it a try if and when that comes about. It’s all of those who don’t have a chance in hell that I’m concerned about.

    My ex’s oldest kid is almost 30 now, and can’t walk, talk, feed himself, or do much of anything except lay there. What will happen to people like him?

  • http://chicagoboyz.net/ TMLutas

    The worst thing about the current system is its failure to prioritize. If the person under discussion is already in the system, it won’t be that bad right away. It would be worse for somebody like that trying to enter the system.

  • http://www.vatican.va/ Rulz

    Graduate school and published. Routinely outscore liberals in the classroom and beat Ivy League students for internships and jobs.

    So the brainwashing didn’t work here.

    I’m the Jason Lewis kind of Constitutionalist that the big government types loathe out of fear of losing their entitlements.

  • http://www.vatican.va/ Rulz

    It doesn’t matter to him—he thinks he’s got all his bases covered.

    We just need to get the word out to the 20-25% of the electorate that’s apt to swing.

    Anything else is a waste.