Liberals blame Ariz. firefighters’ deaths on global warming

Today at least 18 firefighters — members of the Granite Mountain Hotshot Crew — were killed while fighting the Yarnell Hill Fire near Prescott, Ariz.

Twitter liberals wasted no time blaming the fires — and the firefighters’ deaths — on global warming:

We figured Twitter’s jackasses would politicize this disaster, but credit the above tweeters for being first out of the gate.

Update:

The fire was caused by lightning, according to local media reports.

Update:

Whom will the liberals blame next?

Related:

Horrible: Report of 18-19 Ariz. firefighters killed fighting #YarnellFire; ‘Everyone is leaving town’ [photos]

Tributes to fallen Arizona’s Granite Mountain Hotshot Crew flood Twitter

  • crosspatch

    Former member of this team said on Prescott TV that the CAUSE of this fire was poor forest management practices over the past 100 years. He said there are MANY more trees now than there would be naturally due to years of fire suppression and lack of thinning.

    • Cyrena

      BAM….there it is.

    • bluewaternavy

      We had the same problem in Montana-especially at Glacier National Park. The fools of the NPS suppressed everything for years-it finally caught up with them with them in 2001-

    • EastValleyConservative

      I had also heard about this practice in years past. Environmental restrictions have kept them from doing anything preventive. No, this doesn’t prevent fires from ever taking place, but it does ensure when one occurs, it has plenty of more “fuel” to feed off of.

    • Penmar

      We can thank our local environmentalists in that case.

    • jimdep

      So the tree huggers are to blame?

      • http://pistolpackingsanta.com/Home.html Santa Chuck

        Yes they are. If the idiot Liberals would shut up and allow for adequate forest
        management practices, then the trees wouldn’t burn out of control like
        this. Every tree huger who has ever protested the properly managed thinning of
        these trees is directly responsible for the deaths of these brave
        firefighters.

        • BruceDeBrat

          And don’t ever forget that the tree huggers are of the same clan – the “global warming” / “climate change” useful idiots! LIBERALISM KILLS! No surprise, since it is actually Marxism.

        • patricody

          The thick forests and the none management has been my theory for some time just using logic and common sense. Wish they would prove it and put a practice into effect to handle the problem, it would create needed jobs and save lives and countless properties.

    • Elaine

      The Republicans aren’t to blame this time? Thank God.

      • http://www.black-and-right.com/ IceColdTroll

        Oh don’t worry, we’ll take the heat for it anyway, pardon the pun.

        • Skyhawk175

          Yeah, George Bush will get blamed for it.

  • DV S1EOG

    Yes, it is global warming that has caused this fire because there were NEVER any fires before man started using fossil fuels………..

    • Joe

      I heard lightening didn’t exist until Al Gore invented the internet. Is that true?

      • GaryTheBrave

        Yes, Algore invented both the internet and lightning. He thought lightning could be an alternative source of electricity.

        • Joe

          thank God you got my sarcasm! 😀

          • Kenneth Kirkham

            We should, not everyone here is a lib.

        • chewydog

          Maybe we should just call him AlThor.

        • BruceDeBrat

          The only lightning Al Gore has had anything to do with is the bolts ejecting from his pompous lard ass … Everytime he attempts a thought – KERPOW! A methane cloud “bolts” out his butthole and ignites – Now, liberal knot heads … THAT should be considered as THE cause for global warming – if it ever existed! Perhaps all the libtards should just stop with their hysterical screaming rants about “climate change – and thus they would significantly reduce CO2 emissions!

      • Marjorie

        I needed a chuckle today…thanks!

    • Shawn E Dietz

      your an idiot we had hundreds of fires like this before you liberal clowns came up with this global warming hoax

      • Aitch748

        Again — Anthony Caranci was being sarcastic.

      • DV S1EOG

        If you really think, for one minute, that I was being serious, then you need help. When you read these comments, take a second or two to absorb what you have read and ask yourself, Are they serious or just being a smart a**? I am not a moron. I know that long before man ever even walked on this planet that the climate constantly fluctuated and that there were major weather events, fires, earthquakes, etc. I was making fun of those morons who have to blame every event on global warming.

        • http://www.black-and-right.com/ IceColdTroll

          Maybe that “E Dietz” in his name is a sort of clue, and it’s all pronounced a bit more phonetically . . .

        • V8RX

          Ok.Well there are some pretty stupid people in the World.So,Sorry.

        • chamuiel

          But you are a smart ass, right.

      • DV S1EOG

        Oh, and it’s “you’re”……

      • 1CatEye

        You are the idiot. First, it’s you’re not your. Second, learn to capitalize and use correct punctuation. Third, he was using sarcasm.

        • chamuiel

          even without capitalization and correct punctuation you understood him.

          Amazing!

      • BruceDeBrat

        Yes, and that was back when the same fools were screaming about “global cooling” – and a man made ice age! It’s all about their rabid desire to control and enslave others whom they deem “inferior.”

    • grais

      Evidently, the fire is also the fault of the pathologically affluent.

      that leaves me out.
      *whew*

      • http://www.black-and-right.com/ IceColdTroll

        *sniff*
        If you participate in the culture of privilege you are one of the patholigically affluent.

        (Wow, that’s scary. That really sounds like something one of those idiots would say!)

        • chamuiel

          icecoldtroll is even sniffing grais, so i think it is safe to say grais suffers from frequent farts.

      • chamuiel

        you mean gaseous affluent?

    • catman

      Oh really ?? Just how in hell do you think early man cooked his food after finally discovering fire ??? There have been fires since the beginning of time.
      The biggest one is what warms you during the day. Lightning has started fires for hundreds if not thousands of years. It’s natures way. If you damned tree huggers would let agriculture experts thin out the underbrush, there wouldn’ be fires of this catastophic and epic sizes.

      • catman

        Sorry Anthony. I didn’t catch the sarcasm at first. Been a hot day here in Tucson and I guess I’m not thinking too straight.

      • DV S1EOG

        I was just typing my nasty reply to your message. I was about one more sentence before posting when I saw your second reply.

        • catman

          Thanks. Next time I’ll start my brain before engaging my hands.

        • chamuiel

          If you had not posted as a smart ass, all of us would not have jumped you.

          See what happens when you want to act the class clown?

    • V8RX

      You are STUPID!!! THERE HAVE ALWAYS…SINCE THE BEGINNING OF THE PLANET,FIRES FROM LIGHTNING!!! GLOBAL WARMING IS A NATURAL ACCURANCE AND HAPPENS OVER TIME! BUT,YES MAN HAS CAUSED IT TO BECOME WORSE. BUT NOT FROM FOSSIL FUELS,BUT FROM BUILDING CITIES AND ROADS. CITIES TRAP IN HEAT AS WELL DOES THE ROADS.

      • DV S1EOG

        I see that you apologized and I agree that there are some stupid people in the world. I would hope, however, that anyone that would truly believe that there was never fire before man started using fossil fuels, would not have any access to the internet. Or other people, out of fear that their stupidity was contagious.

        FYI, settle down on the all caps comments. Makes you look like a crazy person.

    • snowmaggedoned

      I hope you are kidding. Fires have always destroyed forests through lightning strikes for millions of years. Try reading about archeological digs where fire remnants have been unearthed.

    • chamuiel

      Lie much, and often?

      • DV S1EOG

        Ok chamuiel, I guess that I will just respond to all of your comments here instead of picking each one and replying.

        First, “Lie much and often?”: What do you mean by this? One single sentence like this really does not make any sense.

        “But you are a smart ass, right.”

        I stated that I was being a smart ass, in reference to my original post. That does not mean that every other post was sarcastic. And, is there really an issue about me posting a sarcastic statement? Or did it personally hurt you because you actually believe that man is the cause of all natural disasters?

        “f you had not posted as a smart ass, all of us would not have jumped you.

        See what happens when you want to act the class clown?”

        I have posted many times on Discqus, especially on this site and this is the first time that I had a few people post that were unable to grasp the concept of sarcasm. I am sorry that a few of you (I am not including the poster that apologized quickly) did not understand what I was doing. Of course, it is also not my issue that you didn’t understand what was going on. You would think that anybody, like yourself, who was able to skillfully dodge a coat hanger numerous times as a fetus, would be more mentally adept at distinguishing a sarcastic comment from a sincere comment. I guess that I was wrong. And “class clown?” This is the internet, you moron, not a school, not a class. If you are going to participate in online discussions here, you will most likely run into sarcastic comments. Some, just to be a troll and some, like mine, that use sarcasm to make a point. If you don’t understand the point that I was making, then you are just a waste of a sexual encounter.

        It is obvious that you, out of everyone else here, were hurt most of all because I posted a sarcastic comment. I even see that you used my name in a reply to someone else’s comment as well. I really don’t know why you seemed so hurt by what I said, or even how I said it and honestly, I could care less. If my sarcasm is what upsets you to the point of having to bring it up, over and over again, then you may need to go talk to someone because it is blatantly obvious that you lead a very unfulfilling and sad life.

    • Gary Persons

      How do you figure that one? Never any fire before man started using fossil fuels? OK my impression is that fire has been a way of life on the earth for millions of years. And what do a fire started by lightning have to do with global warming or man using fossil fuels?

      • DV S1EOG

        How I figure it is that my statement was sarcastic because only a moron would actually believe that.

      • DV S1EOG

        How I figure it is that my statement was sarcastic because only a moron would actually believe that.

  • Tugger – not quite dead yet

    Just ignore these people. This is not the time for their stupid fight.

  • Raj Arjan

    Leave it to the moronic libs to exploit EVERY tragic event in the name of the global warming hoax!

    • 1CatEye

      If it really existed, they wouldn’t have to work so hard to try to prove it with every change in the WEATHER.

      • Raj Arjan

        True!

  • https://twitter.com/Captain_Cy_kun Cy

    My hot water ran out in the shower a bit faster than it did yesterday, must be global warming!

    Can I have my liberal card now? I’d like to be able to use racial slurs and distort science and religion at will please.

    • OzzWorx

      Where can I get a job as a corrupt government official?

    • chamuiel

      Or maybe to even be a smart ass like anthony?

  • John Alvarado

    Wow, I guess some liberals like to exploit the deaths of other for their own gain.

    • trixiewoobeans

      Imagine that. Who’d of thunk it?

      • trixiewoobeans

        I’d like to add I have relatives who DO fight forest fires. They are an annual occurrence and have nothing to do with global warming, as any firefighter could tell them. It sucks that Libs are using these heroic people’s deaths for their gain, AGAIN. It’s always about the “Cause” with them.

        • Icarus62

          Evidence suggests that we’re seeing the first signs of increasingly severe drought in the western US as a result of anthropogenic global warming. That would tend to increase the risk and severity of wildfires. The sad part about it is that we will only know for sure in hindsight, and then of course it’s too late.

          • NRPax

            So far, I’ve lived through global cooling, overpopulation, total depletion of the seas, global warming and climate change. Quite frankly, the batting average for the climate evangelists is as good as the preacher who mathematically calculated the Day of Rapture.

          • GaryTheBrave

            You forgot about the deforestation of the Amazon.

            Edit: And holes in the Ozone.

          • Clete Torres

            Not to mention the Amazon dot com.

          • 1CatEye

            Don’t forget smog and acid rain.

          • NRPax

            Well, I was going for the global problems that “OMG! ARE GOING TO KILL US ALL!”

          • Paula Noakes

            Heck, when I was in junior high way back when (early 1970s), we were headed for an ice age. Somehow I missed that.

          • chamuiel

            don’t forget the gulf, and all life in it being killed after the bp oil spill.

          • Michael Anderson (WB)

            Global warming, if it were real, would increase humidity due to more rapid evaporation. While increased humidity would increase undergrowth it would not promote wildfires. Drought is due to minimal humidity and has been happening for millennia.

          • GaryTheBrave

            Minimal humidity in a desert. Who’d of thunk it?

          • Michael Anderson (WB)

            Yeah, no kidding.

            My point was that global warming of any kind will make the desert humid which will tend to reduce the chances for wildfires. If global warming were actually happening we would experience:

            1. An increased evaporation of the oceans making the planet more humid overall.

            2. The incidence of large destructive storms and other related disasters will reduce since there will be a closer equilibrium of temperature at the poles and equator resulting in less energy for those storms.

            3. Plant life will explode as more of the planet comes to ideal conditions for growing.

            4. When only 0.013% of the ocean has evaporated the atmosphere will be super saturated meaning no more of the ocean can evaporate.

            5. As the atmosphere becomes more humid, more of the sun’s energy will be reflected off the atmosphere into outer space.

            Basically without a massive change in energy input from the sun, global warming is scientifically impossible.

          • Icarus62

            My understanding is that it’s a complex issue, with localised effects. Globally the RH should remain approximately constant, but the increased evaporation will make some regions drier – particularly the American southwest. Other regions are predicted to become wetter (e.g. the Sahel), so it may be a benefit for them. For one thing it depends on where an area is in relation to the Hadley cells, which are expanding and moving polewards.

          • 1CatEye

            So, every change in the weather is due to “global warming”? Even colder weather is due to global warming? Wow. Way to cover all the bases and skip actual science.
            Actual science says there is no global warming. Please familiarize yourself with actual temperature records for the past 20 years. You people are the flat earthers. Like when Zero tells us carbon is bad. It’s only the basis of all life on the planet, so of course it’s bad!

          • http://www.black-and-right.com/ IceColdTroll

            So — our children will still see snow? *sniff sniff* Ten years ago, snow was a thing of the past.

            Really, Captain Planet, what is a dispositive set for the “Anthropogenic Global Warming Hypothesis”? What defined conditions must obtain for the “AGWH” to be considered as “disproven. Any? I’ve never seen any. All I’ve ever seen are an endless string of prophecies, each one wrong, and a handful of excuses. Honest to God, you guys are better at this stuff than the TV preachers who tell us that The Lord is going to be coming back on Flag Day, 2015.

          • Clete Torres

            Got incontrovertible proof on that AGW nonsense, skippy?

            Didn’t think so. Particularly since it’s easily provable that it was quite a bit warmer in the Middle Ages than it is now (example: Greenland was – green – and farmed).

            In the 1970s, it was the “coming ice age.” When that was laughed off as environmentalist/liberal propaganda by intelligent people, you green weenies came up with AGW – which has been laughed off as environmentalist/liberal propaganda. Only problem is that now we have an absolute fool in a position of power, with the ability to destroy the American energy industry in the name of your easily disproved, now androgynously named “climate change.’

          • Icarus62

            There is masses of evidence in the scientific literature but you don’t need to be a scientist to understand the causal connection between our greenhouse gas emissions and global warming.

          • GaryTheBrave

            Are those graphs the already disproved hocky stick graphs? Why yes, yes they are.

            Thanks for playing.

          • Icarus62

            Classic copout – standard behaviour for AGW denial scammers.

          • Michael Anderson (WB)

            So the data you are using to present your case has been disproved…that is proven to be false and @garythebrave:disqus is the scammer?

          • 1CatEye

            That’s how the dim mind works. Or doesn’t, as the case may be.

          • Gary Mathis

            Graphs are based on computer models which real world data have shown to be in error.

          • http://www.black-and-right.com/ IceColdTroll

            No copout. The algorithms that went into those graphs were so fudged, forged, and ffkdd up you could have put practically any random number set into tghem and gotten that result.

            And no copout either here: have carbon emissions leveled, or dropped? Because there has been NO recordable warming for the last 15 years.

            Watch guys, see my comments above, he’s gonna pull a rabbit out of his hat to explain why in one place he says “CO2 = HOT” and here it will be completely irrelevant.

          • Clete Torres

            Standard behaior for AGW fanatics: denial of solid proof.

          • Mark Stewart

            Marcott 2013 was so riddled with errors that it was withdrawn

          • 1CatEye

            OMG, you’re using the hockey stick graphs. Total baloney and proven so. Try to keep up, you’re about 6 years out of date.

          • Jim_L

            The Hockey Sticks were PROVEN to be intentionally deceptive. They left out huge segments of data. Don’t try your phony data here. There are really people who have studied this and know what they are talking about.

          • Lisa Dean

            Really? Because even NASA can’t agree that we’re experiencing GW.

          • DV S1EOG

            Did you ever consider that climate change is a natural event on this planet? It has been happening since the beginning. People want to say that it is speeding up because of fossil fuels, etc, yet they fail to realize that nature is going to do what it wants.

            Maybe you need to first consider what causes weather in the first place. Maybe that cause, which is out of our hands, is the true cause of droughts, wildfires, hurricanes, tornados, etc.

          • AdoEdem

            Nope, and I’ve noticed the stunning lack of geologists who believe in the AGW myth. Might have something to do with directly observing the cycles of drastic climate changes over the course of millions of years in rock samples. So while your average schlub who doesn’t actually work in science (or plastic surgeon, or purported OB/GYN Internet doctor) assumes a shifting of the gulf stream is somehow the fault of Big Oil and people who drive SUVs, on the other hand the geologist understands this shift has already been occurring for millions of years, caused by changes in the magnetic field and the shifting of the sea floor via plate tectonics.

            I think my first wake-up call that the actual science wasn’t matching up to the doom and gloom hand-wringing was the guest lecturer in the geology class I took in college admitting, while citing that one particular even was sometimes blamed on global warming, that “he didn’t really believe in it.” He was an actual, working scientist who conducted multiple research trips into the Carlsbad caves each year, but somehow the University of California is Big Oil. Like magic.

          • 1CatEye

            You do realize its summer, right? And that temperatures get warm in the summer, right? And that this fire was caused by a lightening strike, right? And that if brush and debris were removed from these areas (which the NPS won’t let people do), there wouldn’t be as many fires and they wouldn’t be as severe, right?
            We had a drought here in MN last summer. This winter, we had snow in late May. But it is all due to global warming, and not just weather. BTW, please show your evidence of AGW, and please make sure it isn’t something falsified by AGW propagandists disguised as scientists.

          • GaryTheBrave

            It’s Summer yet it’s cooler in Australia than it was six months ago. Must be AGW. SARC.

          • Pam Dunn

            Well, we KNOW for sure that you aren’t very bright. The problem has been made MUCh more severe by the stupid eco-freaks that have prevented ANY forest management and Insisted that EVERY little fire be doused. Net result a HUGE stockpile of fuel for a MEGA fire. It has Nothing, zero, nada zilch to do with the so-called global warming which is nothing more than a giant scam moving money into some politician’s and :scientist’s pockets.

          • trixiewoobeans

            “Evidence ‘suggests'”. I can “suggest” I’m a brain surgeon…that doesn’t make me one. Not trying to be snotty, but generations of my family have been doing forestry and firefighting work since the 1930’s. It ebbs and flows. We MUST be good stewards of the land, but “Climate” issues are more a political ploy now.

          • Marjorie

            Your wings are going to melt!

          • http://www.black-and-right.com/ IceColdTroll

            Yeah. Except in another couple months when it rains, and the rain will be recorded as 2mm above average for that day over two decades, and THAT will be evidence suggesting we’re seeing the first signs of increasingly severe flooding. GTFO with your “Heads I win/Tails you lose” weather forecasts.

          • Jim_L

            Try reading this. It is from one of your own “scientists”‘

            Alarmists Alarmed That Their Alarmist Models Might Be Wrong

            By Greg Pollowitz

            June 22, 2013 10:14 AM

            Meteorologist Hans von Storch was interviewed by Der Spiegel where he acknowledges the obvious: the computer models that predict global warming might be wrong. Some excerpts:

            SPIEGEL: Will the greenhouse effect be an issue in the upcoming German parliamentary elections? Singer Marius Müller-Westernhagen is leading a celebrity initiative calling for the addition of climate protection as a national policy objective in the German constitution.

            Storch: It’s a strange idea. What state of the Earth’s atmosphere do we want to protect, and in what way? And what might happen as a result? Are we going to declare war on China if the country emits too much CO2 into the air and thereby violates our constitution?

            SPIEGEL: Yet it was climate researchers, with their apocalyptic warnings, who gave people these ideas in the first place.

            Storch: Unfortunately, some scientists behave like preachers, delivering sermons to people. What this approach ignores is the fact that there are many threats in our world that must be weighed against one another. If I’m driving my car and find myself speeding toward an obstacle, I can’t simple yank the wheel to the side without first checking to see if I’ll instead be driving straight into a crowd of people. Climate researchers cannot and should not take this process of weighing different factors out of the hands of politics and society.

            Some act like “preachers?” I wonder what the high-priest himself — Al Gore — has to say about that one.

            And on the 15-year pause in global warming:

            SPIEGEL: Do the computer models with which physicists simulate the future climate ever show the sort of long standstill in temperature change that we’re observing right now?

            Storch: Yes, but only extremely rarely. At my institute, we analyzed how often such a 15-year stagnation in global warming occurred in the simulations. The answer was: in under 2 percent of all the times we ran the simulation. In other words, over 98 percent of forecasts show CO2 emissions as high as we have had in recent years leading to more of a temperature increase.

            SPIEGEL: How long will it still be possible to reconcile such a pause in global warming with established climate forecasts?

            Storch: If things continue as they have been, in five years, at the latest, we will need to acknowledge that something is fundamentally wrong with our climate models. A 20-year pause in global warming does not occur in a single modeled scenario. But even today, we are finding it very difficult to reconcile actual temperature trends with our expectations.

            SPIEGEL: What could be wrong with the models?

            Storch: There are two conceivable explanations — and neither is very pleasant for us. The first possibility is that less global warming is occurring than expected because greenhouse gases, especially CO2, have less of an effect than we have assumed. This wouldn’t mean that there is no man-made greenhouse effect, but simply that our effect on climate events is not as great as we have believed. The other possibility is that, in our simulations, we have underestimated how much the climate fluctuates owing to natural causes.

            “Not pleasant for us?” Yes, but not bad for us earthlings. But it gets better. . .

            SPIEGEL: That sounds quite embarrassing for your profession, if you have to go back and adjust your models to fit with reality…

            Storch: Why? That’s how the process of scientific discovery works. There is no last word in research, and that includes climate research. It’s never the truth that we offer, but only our best possible approximation of reality. But that often gets forgotten in the way the public perceives and describes our work.

            No. No. No. We’ve been told, ad nauseam, that the science is settled. And politicians are asking taxpayers to fund billions of dollars of projects based on that science. No way the entire alarmist community can get away with an “Oops, our bad.”

            http://www.nationalreview.com/

    • http://happymasksalesmen.wordpress.com/ Happy Mask Salesman

      It’s like Newtown all over again.

      Libs will be referring back to this incident for months to “prove” global warming is real just like they referred to Newtown to “prove” guns kill people.

      Exploiting deaths is a thing that liberals do.

      • John Alvarado

        Oh, liberals are so much like vultures. Finding dead people no matter what they died of and thriving off them,

      • Clete Torres

        Dancing on the graves of the dead in the name of ideology is all part of the day’s work for liberals.

        Disgusting vermin, all.

    • disqus_e2F2oUH6C7

      You think????

    • 1CatEye

      They don’t mind killing off babies, why would they shy away from exploiting others’ deaths and injuries. Sandy Hook, Gabby Giffords, etc. What a sick bunch of morons.

  • http://drawandstrike.blogspot.com/ Brian Cates

    Somebody should inform these benighted fools even the NEW YORK TIMES has finally gotten around to admitting there’s been no Global Warming for 15 years.

    Read a f**king newspaper some time, you Leftard lunatics.

    • trixiewoobeans

      Honestly, they truly cannot handle being “wrong.” It doesn’t matter how much proof anybody has, their pride will not allow them to admit it. They’ll keep on hammering away at this, along with O.

    • Icarus62

      Don’t believe everything you read in the papers.

      “If you don’t read the newspaper, you’re uninformed. If you read the newspaper, you’re mis-informed.” – Mark Twain.

      • NRPax

        So the papers that were claiming the End Was Nigh because of global warming have just admitted that there has been no global warming and you respond with “don’t believe everything you read in the papers.”

        • Clete Torres

          Irony is lost on the unthinking, Pax. They just don’t get it.

        • Icarus62

          Science is done in academic journals, not newspaper articles. You did know this, right?

          • ObamaFail

            Those newspaper articles reported what scientific research had proven. You libs just don’t want to except it.

          • http://www.black-and-right.com/ IceColdTroll

            And simple facts are simple facts. Despite the dire doomsayers prophecies of more frequent and more intense hurricanes for example, hurricanes are declining both ways. In fact, the peak of hurricane activitiy in both frequency and intensity was across the decades of the 40s and 50s.

            http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/pastdec.shtml

            Please note, this is straight from NOAA, not some “rightwinger nutjob” source.

            Although it should be noted that the most destructive hurricane in history was the 1901 storm that decimated Galveston, and the deadliest one was in the 18th century, killing some 20,000 people in the Carribean/West Indies.

          • NRPax

            “Global warming can mean colder, it can mean drier, it can mean wetter; that’s what we’re dealing with.”-Steve Guilbeault of Green Peace

          • NRPax

            So when the same papers report that global warming is real, we have to believe them until they report that it’s not real and we shouldn’t believe what we read in the papers.

            You’re so adorable, I can see you in chibi form.

      • Stephen L. Hall

        “Between true science and false doctrine, ignorance is in the middle” — Leviathan, Thomas Hobbes

      • Joe

        How does it feel to be you? To know everything about every subject known to mankind, and then some… I know I feel smarter just having read some of your condescending bullshit comments.

        Thanks!

  • CasualMeyhem

    The science was fake. Detailed extensively in Green Hell By Steve Milloy

  • TJ

    Spontaneous Combustion due the the temperature of the air or something.

    • Stephen L. Hall

      The Ghosts of the Founding Fathers are mad at us for ignoring the Constitution. That’s as good of a scientific theory as anthropomorphic climate change.

  • Waldo

    STATE OF FEAR!!

  • MKFenris

    I move we blame the liberal environmentalists who don’t want to deal with dead flora and prevent these fires.

  • LegalizeShemp

    And once again, like Sandy Hook, the liberal stooges get down in the gutter and politicize deaths like the opportunistic propagandists they are.

  • Spike Bement

    Once again, using a tragedy to push a political agenda.

  • comfypaws

    Poor forest management and lightening. Same as the cause of the Show Low a few years ago … and all of those fires in AZ in the ’60s and ’70s when I lived there.

  • lesley

    odd that they didn’t apparently give a shit about our Colorado fires last year and this. man caused/arson… lightning… global warming my ass. dumb fu^&*s.

  • Finrod Felagund

    Liberals confuse weather and climate again, film at 11.

    Oh, but the Medieval Warm Period was a ‘local’ phenomenon, despite evidence of it all over the globe, but a lightning strike causing a fire in one state is evidence of global warming.

    It takes some serious room-temperature IQ to believe that.

  • John W.

    The next crackpot theory from the loony lefties will be that lightning strikes are caused by global warming.

    • Finrod Felagund

      Why not, some of them think asteroid strikes are caused by global warming.

  • TocksNedlog

    TeapartyCrasher @VegasJessie
    “A fire that kills 18 firefighters in Arizona in JUNE. Fires get worse in July etc. this is #globalwarming friends.”

    — I know it’s going to surprise a lot of people to learn that this guy is lying out his ass on this one. June IS the worst month for fires here in AZ; always has been.

    • Stephen L. Hall

      I thought that the #globalwarming which occurred in June and July was traditionally called “Summer.”

      • Clete Torres

        That was my understanding as well. However, I’ll be investigating this phenomenon in person, in July, in Phoenix Arizona.

        I know, good plan, right?

  • TocksNedlog

    Next comes the totally unsubstantiated claim that lightning strikes are on the rise due to AGW or ‘climate change’ or whatever they’re calling it this week.

    • Michael Anderson (WB)

      Storms which create lightening require energy that comes from a cold north or south pole. AGW will reduce the frequency of those storms, the current cooling trend is increasing the occurrence.

  • HARP2

    I blame the left.
    There has been a massive build up of unicorn farts in the last 4 years, which ignite at the slightest provocation.

  • Markward

    Obviously they were no records of forest fires before the invention of the Model T.

  • Icarus62

    The Western US has long been expected to suffer from increasingly severe drought as a result of our massive global warming impact on the planet, but it appears to be happening decades earlier than predicted – just like the collapse of Arctic sea ice and the melting of Antarctica and Greenland. Sadly all the evidence is that we’ve already lost the relatively stable 20th-Century climate to which global human civilisation is best adapted. We’re going to see rapidly increasing chaos and suffering in coming years and decades, and it’s too late to avoid that now.

    • conservative hispanic

      Well, dimwit, then humans will either adapt or die. This IS a dynamic planet, you know. It has warmed up and cooled off countless times through the eons, well before we came along. Better forestry management, for example, can limit the impact of fires. Just look at the Yellowstone fire in the late 80s. Decades of mismanagement resulted in a gigantic fire. Now the just monitor the fires, instead of jumping in at the first sign of fire. And the wildlife is doing just fine, thank you very much.

      • Icarus62

        “… humans will either adapt or die.”

        True… but I was rather hoping that if we stop pretending the problem doesn’t exist, someone might actually find a way to solve it.

        • conservative hispanic

          If there’s a problem, it’s liberal stupidity. And you can’t fix stupid. Liberalism IS a mental disorder, after all. The planet will continue to go on, well after we’re gone. It’ll continue to cool and warm, like it has done since its beginning.

          • Bizness22

            Meh, don’t even bother with that guy. I’ve had some professors that could really sell you this whole global warming charade. He’s just essentially quoting The Day After Tomorrow. Greatest movie ever made, didn’t you know?

            Incidentally though, I love how no one wants to do anything about volcanoes. Those jerks really screw up the atmosphere when they erupt, and here we are just letting them do whatever they want, pretending the problem doesn’t exist. What the hell, humanity?

          • conservative hispanic

            Thanks for letting me know.

        • NRPax

          OK, I’ll play.
          Problem #1: What is the worldwide temperature supposed to be at all times?
          Problem #2: Even if we got rid of every trace of carbon dioxide in the U.S., thereby stopping the problem, how do you propose to keep us safe from the CO2 in other countries?
          Problem #3: How do you stop the volcanoes in the ocean that are constantly erupting and spewing out more pollutants than L.A. on a bad day?

          • Icarus62

            #1: From our point of view, global human civilisation is best adapted to a 20th Century climate. We’re rapidly moving away from that now.

            #2: Hansen’s ‘Tax and 100% Dividend’ might work, to some extent. Look it up.

            #3: Volcanoes are pretty insignificant compared to the anthropogenic forcing.

          • NRPax

            So you refuse to answer question #1, you avoid question #2, and throw up a graph for #3. I’m seeing a pattern here.

          • Icarus62

            I’m seeing that you can’t handle the truth.

          • NRPax

            So far the only truths I’m seeing from you is that you refuse to directly answer any questions, you rely on graphs as if they were a security blanket and you still can’t explain how a lightning strike was caused by global warming.

            You’re adorable but I’m bored with you. In ten years, you’ll have a new crisis that is going to kill us all if we don’t act right now and you probably won’t understand why we aren’t taking you seriously.

    • Stephen L. Hall

      Would it just be rude to point out to Icarus62 that the Antarctic glaciers are expanding, not melting, or that the Arctic ice melts have been shown to be related to wind patterns not temperature? Or that predictions of future cataclysms like the “rapidly increasing chaos” have never came true from these doomsayers despite decades of predicting the end of the world?

      • Icarus62

        Antarctica is actually losing mass, not gaining. It’s contributing to global sea level rise –

        • Stephen L. Hall

          “The NSIDC has had a busy summer: in August, the all-time record for minimum Arctic sea ice extent was set with weeks remaining in the melting season. By the time the ice stopped melting on Sept. 16, another chunk of ice the size of Texas had melted away, and the final sea ice tally was only about half that of the 1979-2000 average.

          But while that extent was making headlines, on the other side of the world, a different story altogether was playing out. On Sept. 26, Antarctic ice broke a record of its own. On that day, it covered 7.51 million square miles, beating the 2006 record for largest extent ever.” — Alaska Dispatch

          • Icarus62

            “Despite the fact that the southern ice pack is larger overall than the northern, its increases are much smaller than the decreases noted for the northern hemisphere, 1.96 million km^2 in extent and 1.92 million km^2 of area. This puts the lie to claims (oft repeated) that southern gain even “almost” balances northern loss — the northern extent loss is 3.4 times as great as the southern extent gain while northern area loss is 3.8 times as great as southern area gain. When one is nearly 4 times as big as another, they are certainly not “balanced” and anyone who claims so is either a fool or an outright liar.”

            From Tamino’s Open Mind blog.

          • Stephen L. Hall

            But the Arctic Ice, floating as it is on water, can melt in its entirety and not raise the water level a single millimeter. But your citation does nothing to address the evidence that Arctic Sea Ice melt is related to changes in wind patterns, not to temperature warming.

          • Icarus62

            In what way have the wind patterns changed, and how has this caused 80% loss of Arctic sea ice summer volume in the last 30 years?

        • Michelle

          What are your thoughts on the Great Lakes? They were gouged out and left filled by…melting glaciers. How much hairspray caused that? What are your thoughts on Yosemite National Park? Also created by…melting glaciers. Was it too much traffic that created Yosemite thousands and thousands of years ago? This weekend where I live we had a heat wave, but the temps still didn’t beat the record highs from 100 yrs ago – what do you suppose caused the 120+ temps almost a century ago?

          • Icarus62

            What you have to remember is that human activity has only become the dominant influence on global climate within the last few decades. We have turned thousands of years of slow natural cooling into very rapid global warming in less than a century, and the bad news is it’s not going to stop. Not for many thousands of years.

          • Michelle

            And still, record high temps haven’t been reached. We turned slow natural cooling into rapid global warming? Interesting, I just spent 10 yrs living in Boston where there were record low temps for a few winters. Here’s all I have to remember – the Earth has been cooling/heating in cycles since the Earth existed. Variations in the Earth’s orbit, variations in the sun’s energy output and other scientifically proven variations, all natural occurrences, have been warming and cooling the Earth for thousand and thousands of years. All of this aside, shame on you for using this post to convey your quasi-scientific opinion. 19 souls were lost because of a fire. Fires have been around since the Earth existed. The fire was started by a strike of lightning. Lightning has existed since the has. They were trapped on the front line of the fire when the wind changed direction. Wind has been around since the Earth existed, as well as its ability to change direction.

            I feel bad for people like you who seemingly use any situation to spout your opinion (complete with graphs, how cool are you?) when people have died.

        • crosspatch

          No, you are incorrect. Antarctica is gaining net ice mass. Also, winter sea ice around Antarctica has been increasing over the past 5 years.

          http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/20120013495_2012013235.pdf

          • Icarus62

            Actually Antarctica is losing mass at an accelerating rate –

          • Paula Noakes

            Gotta love how Icarus62 throw up his graphs, but never puts a source. Hey, I know how to make graphs! Let’s have a competition! Who can make the most pretty, colorful, proves-my-point-because-I-made-it graph?

          • Icarus62

            Ah right, so if I cite the papers which present this data, will you will have a sudden Road to Damascus moment and accept the reality of AGW?

          • Paula Noakes

            Only if MY graphs give YOU a “Road to Damascus” moment that AGW is a farce.

          • Icarus62

            By all means present something, and we’ll see.

          • Icarus62

            By all means present something, and we’ll see.

          • Bizness22

            And Antarctica is serving what purpose exactly being a giant frozen hunk of lifeless wasteland?

        • Clete Torres

          Chug that kool-aid, skippy.

        • Jim_L

          Except that there has been no appreciable sea level rise in the last 40 years. That is fact.

          • Icarus62

            It’s currently running at over 3mm per year, and cumulative rise is ~80mm in the last 40 years. That’s not disastrous yet but with global warming accelerating, we can expect sea level rise to accelerate as well. That means more flooding and eventually the abandonment of cities and large areas of coastal land around the world.

  • Mr. Shiroi

    I can hear it now “Republicans are to blame for these 18 firefighters deaths because they will not embrace the green movement. They only care about big oil!!!”

    I’d like to know what all these people thought about the ridiculously cold May we had (it’s climate change not global warming!!! *so says the change of rhetoric*) or all of the chaos that ensued years before Al Gore made his documentary.

    What did people blame then?

    God?

  • Grandma HeadInjury

    Time for a hashtag:

    Late for work today #GlobalWarming

  • Grandma HeadInjury

    Wife is kinda cranky this morning. #GlobalWarming

    • ObamaFail

      I’m a little constipated. Must be #GlobalWarming

    • Lisa Dean

      I’m not in the mood #GlobalWarming

  • Grandma HeadInjury

    Forgot to buy coffee! #GlobalWarming

  • docflash9

    Arizona has been a desert for ,well forever.

  • Grandma HeadInjury

    I find it interesting that the Holy Apostolic Church of Global Warming Alarmism™ has its own cute derogatory term for people who don’t follow their junk science: Deniers/Denialists. Same term applied to folks who claim the Holocaust didn’t happen. No accident there.

    Face it, these rubes are a religion, folks. Jews have their Gentiles, Muslims have their infidels, Evangelicals have their “worldly folk”, and Alarmists have their “Deniers.”

    May Gaia bless you!

  • notenoughtime

    Is it a surprise to anyone that the libs blame global warming. My question is how far into the tragedy did they jump on the bandwagon after the brave firefighters news was reported.

  • Dane Gunderson

    AZ Forest Fire already blamed on Global Warming and not negligent Liberal Forestry Practices? So not surprised…

  • Subgeniusguy

    Think of all the CO2 that fire is belching into the atmosphere. Shall we tax the lightning or the fire?

  • Stephen L. Hall

    “When firefighters die fighting wildfires in Arizona, it’s a direct human cost of global warming & pathological affluence.” — @DrJaneChi

    Because we all know that no human ever died fighting a fire before the industrial age. That whole Fire of London, Burning of Rome, et cetera, those are just historical fictions.

    • Clete Torres

      The Shitcago fire. Sadly, they rebuilt and made it even worse.

  • chetnapier

    We won’t mention the lack of controlled burns and brush clearing so that their pointy little heads don’t explode.

  • RushedLimbo

    Another facepalm moment brought to you by the religion of Goreacle.

  • Heather

    I live in the mountains of Arizona, these people are idiots. We’ve had wildfires every year because we are in a dry and hot state. People don’t know how to put out their campfires, dispose of their cigarettes properly or, like the case in Yarnell, dry lightening happened. It has been happening for many years- not because of climate change, it IS the climate here! I wish there was a pill for this kind of stupid. Those of us with an ounce of intelligence would be a lot happier.

    • Lisa Dean

      I had friends who lived in Pine Top while I lived in Tucson. I always prayed that I wouldn’t get stuck up there while visiting them during the summer months. I also remember when a few fires took out parts of Mt. Lemmon because of peoples stupidity.

  • FilleGitane

    Breaking!!! Death Valley is really,really hot. Well they don’t call them libtards for nothing.

  • Lisa Dean

    Forest fires are the direct cause of liberal, tree hugging, pigmy owl loving dumb*sses who don’t realize that trees/forests need to be thinned in order to cut down on the forest fires. God Speed to those firefighters who were lost.

  • traffic_robot

    Libs sure are quick to armchair quarterback root cause analysis when it comes to global warming. Yet when it comes to determining the drivers for anything else, like, oh, I don’t know, rising cost of healthcare, why would we do that before we upend an entire industry?

  • [email protected]

    What complete idiocy! First of all, this fire was started by lightening, like hundreds of other fires. Extremely common. Secondly, mistakes have already been acknowledged in the approach to controlling this fire. Fires don’t start spontaneously and global warming has exactly…..nothing…..to do with this. The kind of ignorance shown by these morons is staggering.

  • ss396

    Fire is a chemical reaction, impervious to ambient temperature. It appears that these folks slept through their high school science classes, and never looked back.

    It’s really hard to argue with someone who stopped learning at about age 12.

  • ObamaFail

    People die, and then liberals get happy. Because it means they can push their agendas by exploiting dead people.

    • Singapore Sling

      And conservatives never exploit dead people. Er, except for Terri Schiavo. Er, except for the Willy Horton ads. Er, except for the Benghazi tragedy.

      By the way, I think tweeting about the cause of the fire, whether CAGW, lightning, or whatever, is in poor taste. Just spare us the rubbish that only liberals do this kind of thing.

    • Singapore Sling

      Which of course conservatives never do, right? Oops. except the Terri Schiavo case, and the Willy Horton ads, and the Benghazi tragedy.

  • Mark Kuykendall

    How about we figure out a way to blame Bush?

  • Peyton

    Ya I remember the good old days before Global Warming when no firefighters died. Come on people. Global warming did not cause this fire.

  • 63Marine

    The librats will try to blame anything and everything on something other than what the REAL cause was. I’m surprised they are not trying to blame Bush for the fire…..

  • Love of Country

    I would suggest to the GOP (half-jokingly) that every time a rape, armed robbery, home invasion or murder occurs that someone goes on TV and points out that the perpetrator had a terminal case of irrefutable liberal DNC values in 99% of all instances. People don’t become criminals because they’re poor or because they’re black. They become criminals because liberalism stole their religion, stole their identity, stole their self respect, stole their integrity and stole their virtue and accountability.

    If the Left is going to continue to make up reasons (like forest fires that they caused) to hate conservatives, the least we can do in return is show the real reasons to hate liberalism ie crime waves and the predictable results of iron-fisted communism.

    It’s so reliable how the Left accuses us of everything they’re doing (projection). But it doesn’t stop at us with our borders. Weren’t they just feigning major indignation that Chinese hackers were spying on us just about the time they caught got spying on every last person in the world? Unbelievable!

    But it would be funny if the Right began politicizing everything we could think of like the Left does every day …… they would become unhinged if we did it too ….. LMAO!

  • crosspatch

    2013 has so far has seen the fewest acres burned and fewest number of wild fires since 2004. The media hype and unfortunate tragedies we have seen this year notwithstanding, this year has been a fairly calm year for forest fires. The area where this particular fire took place had not burned in over 40 years. There was a lot of understory fuel built up. This area had not been “treated” with modern forest management techniques. But to address the notion that AGW is the cause of these fires, one would have to ask why the number of fires is in such decline this year.

    http://www.nifc.gov/fireInfo/nfn.htm

  • Love of Country

    The earth’s carbon footprint has been growing at a good pace every year for decades. If carbon emissions make the earth warmer, then we would be where their hysterical models predicted we would be, right? And the earth would have become much warmer during the last 15 years instead of remaining the same, right? Only a fool thinks any of their models and predictions make any sense and yet Dinglebarry is prepared to destroy our economy and our way of life over this completely made up political debacle.

    And both Al and Barry use over 25x more petro fuels than the average American …. they have never even once tried to live like someone who cares about the environment. Two pathological liars w/ zero credibility …. ouch!

    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-3HOMLiDuAlY/TyN-HBIEsQI/AAAAAAAAAI0/qydgXN9wXiY/s1600/Ice+Age+-+Global+Warming.jpg

    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-fyuLUWtWSlA/ThdI97oSGCI/AAAAAAAAAT8/P5yEdTVH4Lo/s1600/ing112805a.gif

  • nickshaw

    Forest fires have sometimes exacted huge tolls on the lives of firefighters since man began fighting them.

    To link the current ones to gorebull warming (about 1 degree over the last 150 years!) is just…well…stupid.

    Here’s a brief look

    http://seattletimes.com/html/nationworld/2021303366_20130701_apusfirefighterskilledglance.html

  • EastValleyConservative

    What idiots. It’s monsoon season in Arizona, a predictable season that we Arizonans are familiar with. Lightning and storms come every year at this time. This is a tragic loss and I am fed up with global warming alarmists who are too stupid to understand that the agenda has zero to do with protecting the environment and everything to do with controlling more land and impoverishing the American population along with destroying businesses in favor of redistributing the rewards of trading puffs of air to an elite few. (thought they hated those “rich” people)

  • NCRelite

    The politicians are actually pretty effing brilliant. They fabricate this AGW mythology and the LIVs take the ball and run with it. Eventually they’ll demand that the government do something about it

    • blair152

      Al Gore’s outta his cotton-pickin’ mind.

      • neoface

        I like to see that fat pig fight fires!!! Wall-E!!!!

        • blair152

          I’ll bet he’d be squealing. Vladimir Putin said it: “It’s like trying to shear a pig. No hair but a lot of squeal.”

  • grab-yer-guns

    Explain this, my global warming disciples, I work as a land surveyor, average sea level is the base,( zero-point) to determine the elevation of any point on earth,
    that average sea level today is 8″ lower than it was in 1928 when it was
    measured to establish the base point. I thought sea levels are rising?

  • toocoldinwa

    Time to revisit the Yellowstone fires from 20 years ago and blame them on Gorebull Warming, too.

  • greg96brg

    The dumb tree huggers won’t allow the dead trees to be harvested, so the trees stand, drying out and waiting for a fire.

  • neoface

    To all you stupid global warming fanatics, fire air currents are micro-climatic, it has nothing to do with global warming. Please look up the definition of “global”.

  • JEFFCOMO

    This terrible accident is the Global Warming people’s Sandy Hook. Never let a crisis go to waste.

  • AdoEdem

    Pretty much sums AGW cultists in a nutshell…

  • Dave M

    The firefighters were killed by years of wild-lands mismanagement by, who else, the government. By interrupting the natural cycle of having fires that thin out the dead wood in the wild lands they caused the accumulations that have lead to more severe and hotter fires due to the excessive accumulations all over the country. Of course the ‘progressives’ could care less about the facts. They just want to spout more propaganda to support their agenda.

  • docfjs

    When liberals point fingers at global “climate change” for a lightning caused fire, they should be ashamed for using this tragedy to advance a political agenda.
    The reason we are seeing more serious fires and more damage from these fires is due to lack forrest management and the desire of many among us to live in natural forrest envrionments. It’s a documented fact that even the native Americans had enough sense to manage the forrest and even set fires to control the underbrush. So, all you wealthy left wing snobs who build homes right next to forrest areas and oppose the Forrest Service at every turn, don’t come to us when your home burns down just because you wanted to live in the woods with the bears.

    • Sua Sponte

      “When liberals point fingers at global “climate change” for a lightning caused fire, they should be ashamed for using this tragedy to advance a political agenda”……
      Then they would cease to exist, not that it would be a bad thing…Of course, these nutters wouldn’t even think of living the lifestyle they want everyone else to live, progs are nothing more than the snotty limo elite…

      • Don Altman

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  • Maxs Lady

    The problem with forests has existed for many years. They used to be thinned but obviously the powers that be decided it was not a good idea. This has been the result over and over again!!

  • ElizabethAlexander

    Man-made global warming, cuz Al Gore ain’t rich enough.

  • Don Altman
  • jimdep

    childlike emotions to adult like problems. It’s always been hot & dry in the southwest especially in the summer. The last time I checked.

  • James Janda

    Global warming radicals: Wasn’t it just snowing in Colorado a month ago? Didn’t Colorado just have some HUGE fires last month as well? Wouldn’t this indicate, based on your ridiculous logic, that we have witnessed both global warming AND cooling in the same state in the same month?

  • Owen Finn

    You realize, of course, that the lightning started the fire… but the scope of the fire is due to low rainfall and other climate conditions caused by (wait for it) – global warming. I used to be a sceptic, but in the past two years (ever since my house flooded for the first time in 120 years), I believe it is real and this is just one more incident.

    • Secede

      Kindly explain how Greenland was fairly ice free 1000 years ago when Leif Erickson went there, and now it’s mostly covered in ice again.
      You have 30 minutes and must use a #2 pencil

    • suyts

      Because YOUR house flooded you believe in global warming. Because, your house is representative of the globe…. good heavens! There is no relationship between imaginary global warming and forest fires. In fact, US and Canadian forest fires have a decreasing trend over the last 20 years. Try looking up the data before spewing your nonsense.

      Further, you global warming lunatics need to get your story straight. Does warming cause more or less rain?

      • Owen Finn

        It depends on the place in the world – some places will get much more, some not at all. It’s called variation.

    • suyts

      Oh, Owen, I looked it up. Uhmm, no, your assumption is entirely incorrect. Arizona has a nearly zero (but ever so slightly increasing) trend in precipitation going all the way back to 1895. That is according to NOAA http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/

      You can see how it graphically renders here. http://suyts.wordpress.com/2013/07/01/stupid-nutters-think-forest-fires-never-happened-before-dance-on-the-deaths-of-fire-fighters/

      The scope of the fires are caused by poor forestry management.

  • sukietawdry

    “Fires get worse in July etc. this is global warming friends.”

    Because before global warming, it wasn’t hot and dry in Arizona in July. LOL

  • Jim_L

    The entire scam is based not on fact, but on
    estimates of what the temperature was 100 years ago, or two hundred years
    ago.

    Let’s think about this scientifically for a moment.

    If the data from 100 years ago was as exact as it is today, I might begin to believe there is a 0.6 degree Celsius rise in the temperature today. But where were the temperatures recorded 100 years ago? The western part of this country was basically unsettled in 1900. What thermometers were there out west then? Africa, Siberia, China, India, Most of the Pacific Islands? How many?
    Who read them? How often was the data collected? Daily? Weekly? Monthly? Once a year? How accurate were the thermometers, anything like the digital ones we have today reading to hundredths of a degree?
    The “Scientists” at East Anglia, NOAA and the IPCC admit they made an estimate of where the temp was at that time. Some have said it was with ice cores, and some have said it is from tree rings. But it is still an estimate and 0.6 degrees rise is within the margin of error.
    IT IS NOT PRECISE! They all admit that. The “Scientists” admit that it is still hard to get accurate data from many places in the world.

    Let’s just say they picked an estimate that was one degree
    lower than the one they picked. That too would be within the margin of error.
    If they had chosen that temperature, we would be in a COOLING CENTURY. The average would be 0.4 degrees colder than a hundred years ago.
    Imagine that!

    Somehow I find it hard to believe in a THEORY (and it is just that) that cannot explain why the last two decades have really cooled or leveled off except to tell us that it is a result of warming. CO2 levels have NOT been rising, and are a
    fraction of a percent of the atmosphere we live in. East Anglia and the IPCC are scrambling to answer these questions that they have declared “settled.”

    • Icarus62

      Temperature records from 100 years ago have larger error bars than measurements today, but the changes are larger than the error bars. See below, for example.

      • Jim_L

        It’s that phony “Hockey Stick” again Icarus . . . . . I thought Icarus was a man of light. How can you see the light when your head is in the dark???
        There is no meaningful data from 100 years ago. NONE, They had no way to gather the data from those days here in the US or anywhere else in the world they are gathering it today. And if you try and tell me Ice cores and tree rings, it is all relative to a computer model the “scientists” set the basis for.

        • Icarus62

          If you disagree with the error bars then please support your skepticism with empirical evidence.

  • http://www.black-and-right.com/ IceColdTroll

    “a direct human cost of global warming & pathological affluence.”

    Pathological affluence? Sure that’s not supposed to be “flatulence”?

  • Phil Bronner

    Liberalism truly is a mental disorder….global warming has been debunked….if you can’t prove your theory with science…then try moving all temperature gathering sites into major metropolitan areas (which are warmer, than say…oh, where they used to be out at airports), and then if you STILL don’t get the results you want…why then just LOWER the baseline temp you are using…which will ENSURE higher temp readings….IGNORE the fact that the earth has been here 4.6 billion years..and that climate changes are nothing new…and were occurring Loooooonnnngggg before there were humans…..rant about the Arctic melting, but don’t say a word about Antarctica’s ice shield growing….The CAUSE of the fire was a lightening strike….the fact that thinning, removing underbrush, and controlled burns have not been conducted or allowed for decades (thank you environmental whackos!) are what caused the firestorm that too the lives of the fire crew. (Even the Indians in New England, prior to the arrival of the Pilgrims used to burn off the forests every fall…)

  • Spasmolytic

    This is yet another example of the left using a tragedy for political posturing.

  • Ty Mcwilliams

    Lib 101, Never let a good crisis(or natural disaster) go to waste.

  • http://www.davidsmusings.com/ David

    Never let a mass death of firefighters go to waste, right liberals?

  • rmandy

    Maybe its more because the crazy environmentalist refuse to allow the brush to be cleaned from the forest areas? Or maybe we have too many morons roaming the forests with little regard for the dangers of starting fires? But just maybe for now, we should shut-up and let the families of these firefighters have time to mourn their loss.

  • delong003

    I don’t know about anyone else—but I am up to “HERE” with these idiot liberals. Everyday I read about these dumb morons and their amazing idiotic statements, reasoning’s–whatever anyone wants to call them–and it always just simply amazes me. There is no such thing as global warming or even cooling—-. The earth goes in stages all of the time. Back in the early 70’s or so—all of us were suppose to freeze to death because the world was going to be frozen over by an ice age!!! Ok—I’m still kicking and I haven’t frozen over yet…………. And nor will we be ‘cooked’ to death because of global warming! And to think these idiots even vote—. I swear all liberals should take a physic review.

    • Singapore Sling

      Yeah, out of 51 papers published in the 70s that took a position on global cooling or global warming, 44 predicted global warming while only 7 predicted global cooling. So you can stop trotting out that old canard.

      http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/weather/climate/globalwarming/2008-02-20-global-cooling_N.htm

      • delong003

        Sorry–I grew up during that time frame and all through my childhood—that’s all I heard and I kept thinking what’s the sense of growing up if I won’t have an adult life? And this link to the USA today paper—it’s nothing more than another liberal paper and I’m suppose to believe their garbage of what they print?? Not hardly…….. Give me another link with better info on that subject and then we’ll talk more.

        • Singapore Sling

          I grew up then as well. While I remember some stuff about cooling, to my recollection it wasn’t everywhere, not like the cold war stuff. By the way, it’s amusing that you reject anything in USA Today as a liberal rag, but somehow were willing to believe what “liberal rags” like Time and Newsweek said about global cooling in the 70s. Are liberal rags acceptable when they publish articles that support your position? Sounds like a double standard to me…..

          In any case, here is the paper, which lists all the papers published in the 70s. It includes papers that took a cooling position, warming position, and no position. 7 supported cooling, 20 had no position, and 44 supported warming.

          http://aerosol.ucsd.edu/classes/sio217a/sio217afall08-myth1970.pdf

          PS – why not find a paper that supports your position and cite it, rather than just relying on your memory?

          • delong003

            USA is a liberal rag as is most newspapers and even a lot of magazines. And as for me going by Time & Newsweek—nope–I went by a gentleman who was a specialist in that field & I’m going to be honest–I do not recall his name. I never, never read newspapers or mags, which are all mostly liberal–who promote only their agenda. They deliberately distort the truth and I found that one out just by checking from one to the other and different websites. And for the record—how come scientists are now saying that we have been in a ‘cooling’ period for almost 15 years or so?? It’s just like I said earlier—Earth goes through stages. Sometimes the temperatures do rise a little more and then they start to go down again. And as for your snowcap numbers—ditto on my previous statement. Just like the Artic and Antarctic———ice caps were melting on one side like crazy–but on the other side they were building up 2-3 times more. And ended up even thicker than ever. And when people say we must control our CO2—I guess they do not want to live for very long. If we cap or control this gas that we exhale-our vegetation will not survive and if the grasses, trees, etc. are not around–well we sure won’t be either. We have been putting tons & tons of this stuff in the air–gee—the temps haven’t risen to the point of what everyone has been talking about. And now we are in a cooling down period (with all of this that’s been put into our atmosphere). So, you are more than welcome to believe what you would like—-me—I need a hell of a lot more proof. I’m not naïve and have been around the block more times than I can count.

          • Icarus62

            The evidence for AGW is out there – you just need to approach it with an open mind, and not let your preconceptions blind you to the truth.

          • delong003

            Thanks for the advice, but like I said earlier—been there, done that; seen too much and heard way too many lies about this. When Al Gore started his ranting and raving about this–I was already skeptical because once a politician—always a politician. And then when he said (basically….)– “Oh by the way! I happen to be in the market for selling carbon credits and I have two companies who sell these credits for you folks who would like to buy them!!” And then-at one time-he was spending over $10,000 A MONTH on electricity at his mansion. Ok–now do you really think I’m suppose to be believe this garbage? This completely reminded me of the Medicine Man days way back when. Sorry—when the world didn’t freeze over–I knew right and there–there was no such thing as global warming or cooling. There’s just too much BS out there with absolutely nothing concrete to back any of this up. But thanks for getting back to me about this. I really love the guinea pig picture!! I use to have a whole family of them when I was a kid!! Really loved them…….!!

          • Icarus62

            Surely no-one makes up their mind about climate science based on what a politician says, do they? You’d want to read about the science, from scientists, if you were seriously interested in acquiring a justified viewpoint on the matter.

          • delong003

            Of course I didn’t make up my mind by just politicians saying their views, etc. Like I said—unfortunately so many scientists have gotten on the ‘band wagon’ about climate change because they found out about how lucrative it was for their work. Even the gentleman from Australia-who basically started all of this years ago–has said that it’s bogus. Now this is from someone who actually started this whole climate idea!! There has been actual findings that so many of the scientists emails, works have been forged—their stats–according to them–trying to make their findings even worse so they could get more monies for their agendas. So, like I mentioned to the other person earlier–you are more than welcome to believe what you like about this subject—. Me–well, you know how I feel about too many people with agendas crying wolf. You have a great Fourth of July!

          • Singapore Sling

            Ah, yes, the “monies for their agendas” accusation. Somehow, all the climate scientists – around the world, not just in the US – are engaged in a mass conspiracy so they can get grant money. For some strange reason this same behavior doesn’t happen, say, in grant funded cancer research, or diabetes research. Maybe it’s that all people who go into climate research are devious, whereas those that go into cancer research are all honorable!

            But that doesn’t explain why, under a very AGW-skeptical Bush administration, there weren’t a large number of skeptic papers published. Bush didn’t believe in AGW, nor did his science adviser, nor his Dept of Interior Secretary. So clearly “the man in charge” didn’t want to hear about AGW. So why didn’t that result in a number of skeptic papers being published, since clearly that position would be much more in line with the President’s view and that of his appointees?

          • Icarus62

            I think you’ve been had – i.e. you’ve been taken in by the fossil fuel industry’s campaign of deception, constructed to preserve their profits by discouraging any attempts to limit our greenhouse gas pollution.

            Time will tell, eh?

          • delong003

            No I don’t believe I have been ‘taken in’ by the fossil fuel groups. But, like you said–time will only tell and so far the times are on my side. Like I said—the earth goes in stages…..warm/ cool & cool/warm. But we shall see!

          • Singapore Sling

            I’m still waiting for a response from you, delong, to my point below.

          • delong003

            I’m not sure of what kind of a response you would like from me–I’ve told you that when I and the rest of us didn’t freeze our behinds off back in the 70’s with all of the screaming that was being done by all of the supposed ‘specialists’–right then and there–I knew it was all a complete hoax. There has not been ANY CONCRETE proof about all of your so-called papers/theory’s concerning this issue. I don’t care how many papers (esp, newspapers) you throw at me concerning this issue—they all have an agenda and you have fallen for it hook, line, & sinker. I don’t believe in global warming or climate change or whatever you would like to call it. Just like the tremendous heat wave going on now in the west—-. When I was going to California when I was a kid–we wanted to go through death valley—wouldn’t let us. It was just way too hot for our safety. Arizona at the time was a 120 degrees in the shade. But soon after that—the temps moderated……. So, please keep your ‘theories’ to yourself and quit trying to change my mind. I’m not naïve.

          • Singapore Sling

            Correct, you aren’t naive. You display a complete lack of logic and rigorous thought, but I guess I am expecting too much on a comment board such as this.

          • delong003

            First of all—who the hell do you think you are in saying that I have a complete lack of any logic or ‘rigorous’ thought? I’m the one who wants more proof of this stuff…. When some scientist shows the world complete stats from 150 years to the present and then shows the world an actual trend of warming from day one to the present day—–then I WILL GO OVER THIS INFO AND THEN MAKE A DECISION!! I WILL NOT MAKE ANY TYPE OF DECISIONS BASED ON A BUNCH OF LIBERAL NEWSPAPERS WHO HAVE GOTTEN ON THE BANDWAGON FOR A CERTAIN AGENDA! And IF YOU THINK YOU ARE SO MUCH BETTER THAN THE REST OF US—GET THE HELL OFF ON THIS WEBPAGE!!! I do not have to agree with you, nor show you any types of stats period. And because these very brave firefighters passed away–and yes it was very hot temperature wise—DOES NOT MEAN THAT THIS FIRE WAS CAUSED BY GLOBAL WARMING! It’s already been proven that it was a lightening strike that started this blaze. And if the EPA would let the pros take care of all of the underbrush when they are suppose to–this fire probably would not of gotten out of control so fast in the first place. Now let me the hell alone and keep your so called thoughts to yourself.

          • Singapore Sling

            Lack of logic? Let’s go through it, shall we? First, you say, and I quote :”I grew up during that time frame and all through my childhood—that’s all I heard and I kept thinking what’s the sense of growing up if I won’t have an adult life?”

            Note the words “all through my childhood”. I then come back to you with an article, which you decline to believe – fine, no problem. I then cite to you the paper that states that only 7 published papers predicted global cooling, while 44 predicted warming. Your response? There was some guy you talked to – one guy! – and that constitutes “all you heard during your childhood.” Sorry, that’s an incredibly weak argument, completely rubbish for trying to imply that “the impending global cooling” story was everywhere during the 70s.

            Second, you talk over and over about liberal newspapers. I quoted you from scientific journals, so you can lose the righteous indignation about liberal papers. If you don’t want to believe peer reviewed publications, and instead believe ” random guys you talk to”, that’s your prerogative. But it’s logically weak, of that there is no doubt.

            Then you say “When some scientist shows the world complete stats from 150 years to the present and then shows the world an actual trend of warming from day one to the present day—–then I WILL GO OVER THIS INFO AND THEN MAKE A DECISION!” Since there are not complete stats from 150 years ago, you are saying you vote for doing nothing. You’ll wait until the evidence is overwhelming, then agree it’s a problem, by which time of course it will be too late.

            Then you say you don’t need stats – that’s obvious, you haven’t presented any. You tell me to get off this web page, which I didn’t know you owned – my bad.

            Lastly, you say “And because these very brave firefighters passed away–and yes it was very hot temperature wise—DOES NOT MEAN THAT THIS FIRE WAS CAUSED BY GLOBAL WARMING!” Of course, I didn’t way that, so I don’t know who you are making this point to. Nice use of caps though.

          • Singapore Sling

            I gave you a research paper that looked at all 70+ papers published in this area, and your retort is “a guy who was a specialist in this area.” Not a very strong case.

            90%+ of the extra heat entering the earth ends up in the ocean, and the recent slowdown in surface temp is due to more heat being absorbed by the ocean. The Arctic is losing ice at 3X the rate Antarctica is gaining ice, not the other way around.

          • delong003

            Like I mentioned earlier–I do not go by a research paper that complies info from 70+ papers. And I was honest and did say that I did not know this gentleman’s name. And I truly do not remember. And I wasn’t trying to say that this guy made a strong case—that wasn’t my point. But I would much rather believe in ‘someone’ who does not go along with the ‘flow’ like so many others and jump on the bandwagon. And also-you are welcome to believe what you would like about this. I was just saying how I felt about how more liberals believe in climate change than the gop. And it’s also true that newspapers are more liberal than conservative. And also the magazines. There has been just too much stats, etc. that has been published and then later on everyone finds out the info was bogus. But if you want to believe all of this hype–be my guest. You have my blessing……. But I do appreciate all of the stats that you sent me—numbers were very interesting. (And I am not trying to be a wiseaxx about my statement………….) You have a good Fourth of July!

          • Singapore Sling

            I gave you a research paper that looked at all 70+ papers published in this area, and your retort is “a guy who was a specialist in this area.” Not a very strong case.

            90%+ of the extra heat entering the earth ends up in the ocean, and the recent slowdown in surface temp is due to more heat being absorbed by the ocean. The Arctic is losing ice at 3X the rate Antarctica is gaining ice, not the other way around.

  • http://pistolpackingsanta.com/Home.html Santa Chuck

    If the idiot Liberals would shut up and allow for adequate forest management practices, then the trees wouldn’t burn out of control like this. Every tree huger who has ever protested the managed thinning of these trees is directly responsible for the deaths of these brave firefighters.

  • Macranthunter

    It’s not that AGW isn’t plausible. It’s the desperation to peg anything and everything to a .3% shift in global temperature. If they got their stories straight, I’d listen. It sounds like a buffet of reasoning that doesn’t always sit right when combined.

  • suyts

    For those who may be interested, I’ve got a post up which demonstrates a slightly declining trend in forest fires over the last 20 years. And, this year is the lowest in fires and acreage burnt YTD https://suyts.wordpress.com/2013/06/24/climate-change-causing-disturbing-trend-in-forest-fires/

    There’s no relationship of forest fires with our weather trends, except in the delusional minds of the climate nutters.

  • Secede

    Liberals LOVE to use coffins as a soapbox….

  • Bigolfascist

    May we begin the proggie cleansing soon? They need to meet Darwinian justice soon.

  • SailAway

    Eighteen brave people died doing the job they love. It is tragic for their families. Tell me please, how is continuing this nonsensical argument by bringing up environmentalist crap any less disrespectful when the firefighters have not even been buried yet? Their families are suffering. We do not have to participate in the liberals’ continuous politicization of tragedy. Let them run their ignorant, self-centered, and insensitive mouths and instead send your condolences and prayers to the grieving families.

  • MichaelPerkins

    Yep, I am in AZ, been here for 20 Years, We have Fires Every year, Mostly Man caused as in Tossing Cigs out a window, or Heat Lightning. The stupid is strong with the Libtards. To think, They can make sure this never happens again if we give up EVERYTHING.. How bout THEY stop breeding, & Breathing in general. The mass Libratd extinction/suicide would really show us who was right… Wadda you think Proggies? Do it for Gaia… PLEASE?

  • MichaelPerkins

    Replied to all the mouth breathers. Will embarrass mercilessly any of them that reply, One down already….

  • lokiswife

    So what do those idiots think caused the record levels of snow pack in the northern US last winter? A “little twitch” of climate change? Do you ever get the feeling that we are living in a gigantic mental institution and the biggest nuts are running the place?

    • Singapore Sling

      OK, so let’s look at snowpack, shall we? And since this tragedy happened in Arizona – not in the northern US – let’s look at Arizona. I quote from the USDA web site on natural resources, with their latest snowpack report dated April 16: ““This is the third winter in a row of below normal snowpacks in the mountains of northern and eastern Arizona,” said Dino DeSimone, State Water Supply Specialist with the NRCS in Phoenix, Arizona. “As of today, nearly all of our snow measurements sites have melted out, which is about a month earlier than normal. As a result, runoff in the state’s major rivers is again expected to be at extremely low levels.”
      Among the findings in the Basin Outlook Report, the Salt River basin snowpack was measured at 29 percent of the 30-year median; the Verde River basin at 71 percent of median; the San Francisco-Upper Gila basin at 29 percent of median; and the southern headwaters of the Little Colorado River basin had 53 percent of median snowpack. In the Chuska Mountains of northeastern Arizona, snowpack conditions were measured at 73 percent of median. ”

      http://www.az.nrcs.usda.gov/news/releases/Snowsurvey2013-April.html

  • gutz22

    Liberals demorats & Obzotoms are utterly devoid of any ability to acess facts & process this information into logical reasoning they are fed their dogma by leftist agenda which they blindly follow.Not to mention all the free stuff they get by doing so.

  • loran

    I guess the 1988 Yellowstone fire taught these forest managers nothing, nada. And to see and here liberals blaming it on global warming, unbelievable. I’m surprised they didn’t blame the TEA Party. Especially John McCain since it’s his home state.

  • Wapitiman

    Why are these idiots even given a voice? What is the value of a nonsense article like this?

  • GulfPundit

    Lightning during a dry season causes forest fires, which is exacerbated by environmentalists blocking the forest management that would minimize those fires.

  • stombut

    Please understand that these are the agenda pushers As always, anytime there is some kind of a crisis or tragedy that can be tied to a recent Obama speech this is what happens. A few weeks ago Obama gave another of his moronic speeches about green energy and climate change. Now a convenient fire (my guess deliberately set by a Van Jones, Bill Ayers type) and then the tweets by the “useful idiots”.
    We have been fighting these kinds of fires forever and now 19 of the most highly trained end up dead. I’m having an awful hard time making sense of that. One or two, maybe but 19!?!? Just saying.

  • jimdep

    The tree huggers are to blame. Radical green efforts to block logging and timber sales in national forests since the 1990s are the real culprits to the AZ wildfire and NOT GLOBAL WARMING. Wildlife mitigation experts point to incompetent forest management and militant opposition to thinning the timber fuel supply.

  • Can’tTrustEm

    If these were non government, non union firefighters, they would likely still be alive. Unionized, government beaurocrats don’t have the training or skill needed. Let the private sector/market handle the big problems, keep the government out!!!!

  • Frank W Brown

    Man, what a total conglomeration of IDIOTS!

  • OscarDelta5

    Situations like this are the reason that control of all forest and wooded areas should be by local governments and the Fed should keep their wet/slimy noses out of it. When the Federal Government step in everything gets messed up; because, they think in things in political terms and not in the life or death terms of the locals.

  • rangerrebew

    Global warming has fried the brains of liberals, of that there can be no doubt.

  • Mark Kuykendall

    This is a surprise why, exactly?

  • LibsRHaters

    The Arizona fires wasn’t Global Warming… lmao on that one! It wasn’t the normal density of the undergrowth that should be thinned out, but Enviro Wackos keep it from being done. It was Terrorism! The sparsely watched southern border has allowed for Muslims and their ilk to walk right on over into Arizona, and light fires for their imaginary god, Allah! See: http://freedomoutpost.com/2013/07/jihadist-group-we-started-arizona-wildfires/

  • Jay Stevens

    Idiot. That was not so thinly veiled sarcasm. You should have detected it.

  • Joe

    that wasn’t even thinly veiled – that was ‘in your face’ sarcasm.

  • BillinRSDCA

    Thanks for clearing that up! I can only assume that either Florida doesn’t offer creative writing, you didn’t take it, or you flunked it. I’m sure the survivors of the deceased Firefighters and the general grieving population of Prescott were likewise impressed.

  • bobbymike34

    What did pseudo- intellectuals do before the internet? FACT – At this point in time what we know is that the fire was caused by a lightening strike. FACT – At this time we have NO IDEA that global warming or ‘climate change’ had anything to do with this event.
    FACT – To ‘blame’ GW for the deaths of these firemen, which of course is to call those to doubt man-made global warming murderers, is disgusting propaganda out of the mouths of ideologues.

    So what ‘science’ are you basing your pretentious, pompous, asinine post on?

  • Grandma HeadInjury

    Donny’s not making any damn sense. I blame #GlobalWarming #ClimateChange

  • bobbymike34

    Why do you assume I’m upset you have internet psychic abilities now? Must be part of your ‘Conscious aptitude or intuition’ or something?

  • Don Altman

    one thing is denying global warming, Another is denying everything.

  • Michael Anderson (WB)

    Additional fact: if AGW were real the planet would be getting more humid and wild fires would be less frequent.

  • bobbymike34

    Reading your posts you must be upset, obviously your ‘medical marijuana’ went up in the flames as well.

  • Stephen L. Hall

    Why do these posts make me picture Don as a global warming cult follower in long while linen robes with flowers in his hair smelling as if he hasn’t bathed in weeks?

  • NRPax

    And I see that you aren’t even bothered at the people above who are claiming global warming was responsible for the deaths that killed those firefighters.

  • DV S1EOG

    Why did you bring up the survivors of the deceased firefighters in your comment? What was that supposed to do, shield you from criticism?

    I cannot stand those who stand on the bodies of the dead, before they are even buried, to push political agendas. I really cannot stand those who use those bodies as shields. I am sure that those survivors, and the grieving population of Prescott could care less about sarcastic remarks made here to denounce the morons who are blaming these tragedies on global warming. I do have a feeling though, that they would be quite annoyed knowing that people are using those deceased firefighters to score points in a discussion, especially because they have not even had the time to mourn or bury their loved ones.

    If none of this was your intent, then I apologize but, in the context of what you had written, it is fairly obvious that you were wrong in mentioning those men, their families and the population of Prescott in the manner that you did.