MSNBC panelists attacked for being too respectful of pro-life guest

In case you missed it — and it aired on MSNBC on a Saturday morning, so hundreds of millions did — Americans United for Life President Charmaine Yoest appeared on “Up with Steve Kornacki” this morning to join in a panel on “The Return of the War on Women.” Yoest was there to provide balance for the host and the three other panelists, including Ana Marie Cox.

What? Respect for a pro-life guest? Do go on.

Tough crowd? Actually, it wasn’t tough enough for Mediaite’s Tommy Christopher, who called out Cox for letting Yoest get away with loaded and offensive terms like “pro-life.”

Sounds brutal. Let’s watch.

Who else wants to pile on? How about Lizz Winstead, co-founder of A Is For… and co-creator of “The Daily Show.” Here is just a selection of tweets.

What do you say, Ms. Yoest?

On a final note, the same person who suggested putting all the “unwanted” babies on Yoest’s doorstop retweeted this one hour later.

RT-Isays1971

Editor’s note: This post has been updated to include a screen shot of a retweet.

  • Rain

    I really don’t get how these anti-life pro abortionists think that without legal abortion there will be “thousands” of un-wanted babies born…as if there is no way to prevent pregnancy in the first place…sheesh…

    • nc

      Or that there wouldn’t be loving homes for them.

      • Elaine

        ‘STABBING MY EYES?’ Yes, please, you mean, nasty woman. They hate the term “human rights” don’t they?

    • Kim

      “Abstinence” is a foreign, ridiculous concept to them.

      • https://twitter.com/Captain_Cy_kun Cy

        So is birth control if they have to pay for it.

      • Bathing Suit Area

        No, it’s just an unappealing one to 99% of the human race.

        • Kim

          Unappealing or not, it’s a sure thing.

      • Ronald

        Abstinence is not a solution because of the way people really are. You have to account for reality.

        • Kim

          Blah blah blah, abstinence is too hard, and requires personal responsibility, therefore it’s unrealistic. Same tired argument that helps perpetuate “unplanned” pregnancies and STDs.

          Who said abstinence was the only solution? Certainly not I. But the fact that you jumped to that conclusion at the mere mention of it is very telling.

          • Ronald

            Certainly it is not the only solution. Like any problem in life there are often a myriad of ways to address it. Telling people to abstain is fine. Just don’t be surprised if you don’t get the results you desire.

        • AMSilver

          And where else do you apply that logic? Abstaining from murder is not a solution because of the way people really are. You have to account for the fact that people are going to kill people and do what you can to make life easier for murderers. Abstaining from smoking is not a solution because of the way people really are. You have to account for the fact that people will smoke and make laws to enable them to do it as easily as possible. Abstaining from child abuse is not a solution because of the way people really are. You have to account for the fact that lots of people abuse their children both physically and mentally and therefore accept that it’s going to happen. We shouldn’t hold abusers accountable, because that would be denying human nature.
          Reality is that humans have the ability to choose what actions they take. When society embraces personal responsibility and doesn’t enable people who want to throw that responsibility to the wind (or murder the child who results from their lack of responsibility), then you get more responsibility. Our culture currently glorifies a total lack of self-control, and rewards people who fail to exercise any personal accountability. The excuse ‘they’re going to do it anyway’ is pure bunk. Yes, some people are, but the fact that some people are going to make wrong choices is no excuse for society to reward them for those choices.
          Also, abstinence is only required until one is married and in a position where they can care for any possible children that might come along. Anyone is capable of that.

          • Ronald

            “And where else do you apply that logic? Abstaining from murder is not a solution because of the way people really are.”

            Murder is intrinsically bad and harmful. Abstaining from murder is a moral obligation. Sex is not intrinsically bad or harmful, therefore abstaining is optional. Furthermore most people have a sex drive which is driven by basic human biology. As far as I know, having a murder-drive is limited to very disturbed people who are thankfully very rare.

            “You have to account for the fact that people are going to kill people and do what you can to make life easier for murderers.”

            We do not have to make life easier for murders. We send them to jail to protect other innocents.

            “Abstaining from smoking is not a solution because of the way people really are.”

            Telling people not to smoke has not worked. If it was a solution, it would not be so easy to find smokers in the real world. The problem of smoking is a lot harder to solve than just telling people to abstain. Also, smoking is not a basic biological function. It is an addiction.

            “Abstaining from child abuse is not a solution because of the way people really are.”

            Same problem as the murder analogy. Child abuse is harmful and morally forbidden. People that do not abuse their children are not abstaining in the same sense as those who do not engage in sex are abstaining. To illustrate, do you consider yourself to be abstaining from child abuse? Is it something that tempts you?

            “We shouldn’t hold abusers accountable, because that would be denying human nature.”

            Nowhere did I say that people should not be held accountable for actions that harm others.

            Without quoting the rest, your main points hinge on personal responsibility. Personal responsibility is a great concept. It’s easy to tell people to be responsible. You can sing it from the hills and paste it on every billboard, but you will still not change the fact that people are impulsive, subject to making mistakes and fallible. You want to substitute the way things ARE for the way they SHOULD be. Fine. I get that. You think the world will be better if everyone just took responsibility for their actions. That may be, but people have been saying that for centuries and it hasn’t worked. What works is accepting that life is messy. Stuff happens. Then we do our best not to make things worse by making people pay for the rest of their lives for mistakes they have made.

          • AMSilver

            You say ‘people have been saying that for centuries and it hasn’t worked,’ as if the only measure of success is 100% effectiveness. Nothing works at 100% effectiveness, so applying that standard to life is utterly unreasonable. However, it is very clear that people are more than capable of succeeding at abstaining from sex until marriage at a high rate when they are going to be the ones who have to deal with the consequences of their actions. There was no demographic anywhere in the world with an 80% out of wedlock birthrate prior to recent history. Humanity has a long history of having pregnancy out of wedlock be an aberration rather than the norm, and that was before birth control was invented.
            And having sex is not equivalent to murder, but murder is equivalent to murder, and that’s what abortion is. One doesn’t get to murder another person because that person is inconvenient and their existence would make a woman ‘pay for the rest of [her] life for mistakes.’
            And you explicitly said that people should not be held accountable for actions that harm others when you say that a woman should be free to murder the unborn child she created in her womb for the sake of her own convenience. Ripping a baby apart limb by limb is definitely harming that person.

          • AMSilver

            You say ‘people have been saying that for centuries and it hasn’t worked,’ as if the only measure of success is 100% effectiveness. Nothing works at 100% effectiveness, so applying that standard to life is utterly unreasonable. However, it is very clear that people are more than capable of succeeding at abstaining from sex until marriage at a high rate when they are going to be the ones who have to deal with the consequences of their actions. There was no demographic anywhere in the world with an 80% out of wedlock birthrate prior to recent history. Humanity has a long history of having pregnancy out of wedlock be an aberration rather than the norm, and that was before birth control was invented.
            And having sex is not equivalent to murder, but murder is equivalent to murder, and that’s what abortion is. One doesn’t get to murder another person because that person is inconvenient and their existence would make a woman ‘pay for the rest of [her] life for mistakes.’
            And you explicitly said that people should not be held accountable for actions that harm others when you say that a woman should be free to murder the unborn child she created in her womb for the sake of her own convenience. Ripping a baby apart limb by limb is definitely harming that person.

    • Chrissy the Hyphenated

      There are statistics that demonstrate how easy access to abortion merely increases the number of conceptions. The number of babies allowed to come to term stays about the same. IOW, it’s 100% that some women use baby killing as a form of after-the-fact birth control. And they wondery why STDs are rampant. Sheesh.

      • MirrorKrys

        Not only that but there may be a correlation between abortions and breat cancer but the science political mob won’t touch it. I have often wondered about the explosion of autism cases also in relation to birth control and abortions on the womb. Maybe there isn’t but it is a disservice to women not to look into it.

        • Kim

          The entire contraceptive movement has been a disservice to women. First The Pill was popularized and marketed to women, despite having no vigorous research done regarding side effects or long-term complications. The same thing is still happening (see Essure and Gardisil). These chemicals are aiding in the destruction of women, and now young girls, physically AND emotionally. And a lot of women are too ignorant or stupid to care… because they’re “protected” from what their bodies are BUILT to do through artificial, chemical means. The whole thing is just f’d up to me.

          Women need to DIG to find out what these drugs, including abortion, really do to them. And it ain’t pretty.

        • Kim

          The entire contraceptive movement has been a disservice to women. First The Pill was popularized and marketed to women, despite having no vigorous research done regarding side effects or long-term complications. The same thing is still happening (see Essure and Gardisil). These chemicals are aiding in the destruction of women, and now young girls, physically AND emotionally. And a lot of women are too ignorant or stupid to care… because they’re “protected” from what their bodies are BUILT to do through artificial, chemical means. The whole thing is just f’d up to me.

          Women need to DIG to find out what these drugs, including abortion, really do to them. And it ain’t pretty.

    • ThatConfused1

      The idea stems from fear of resources due to population size while recent pop culture idolizes loose behavior and a high encouragement to out of wedlock child births. Self-restraint isn’t an easily understood concept these days, mostly hard for Hollywood to understand given that most of the top rating comedies focuses on sexuality as a joke theme far too much these days.

      • Ronald

        The problem with self-restraint is that people mistakenly believe that what they can do, others can do. It’s then an easy transition between “what I can do, others can to” to “what I can do, everyone can do.”
        But when you look at the real world, you do not see equal abilities of self-restraint. Some people really are wired differently.

    • Ronald
  • waltermitty2012

    It’s sad that the left call would call unborn babies unwanted.

    • LinTaylor

      Apparently the left fails to understand a simple concept: If you don’t want a baby, keep your damn legs closed. Then again, they’re very much the “pleasure now, consequences later – if ever” types.

      • kim

        I thought it was more.. pleasure now, taxpayers get consequences

      • Hiraghm

        Everyone has been taught the inescapable power of drug addiction. No one seems ready to recognize, yet, that sex was the first and strongest addiction, and is why addictions in general, although universally contra-survival, have not yet been bred out of the population.

        • Billie Slash

          You are insane.

        • LinTaylor

          The difference is, drugs are not something that needs to be done to ensure the survival of the species. The left acts like a baby is a million-to-one, freak accident (emphasis on “freak”) resulting from fooling around, and like a wart or a boil it’s something you should be able to get removed over the course of an afternoon with no regrets.

          • AMSilver

            Personally, I think liberals think that babies come from the stork, who dresses in ninja attire and runs around the city, dropping babies in women’s bellies while they sleep. It’s a reasonable assumption based on the fact that they act like the woman played absolutely no role in getting the baby there in the first place.

    • Rain

      it’s even sadder that they would demand prison time for someone who did to a 3 day old baby outside the womb what is legally done to a 26 wk old baby inside the womb.

      • Bathing Suit Area

        It’s sad that you think “the womb” is just a place, not part of a person’s body who might have their own opinions on who gets to stay there.

        • ThatConfused1

          Then you should be thankful this is not People’s Republic of China and their abortion laws or how the USSR or Nazi Germany’s laws. Abortion is a progressive ideology in culling and manipulating Human DNA to perfection, the same core ideals that fueled Nazi party of Germany.

        • Rain

          No I don’t, I think that a person’s opinion as to “who gets to stay there” is a mute point considering pregnancy doesn’t happen in a vacuum.
          Women aren’t unable to prevent it from happening, it’s not like hundreds of women are tripping/falling down accidentally and getting up with skinned knees and OOOPS also pregnant.
          Pregnancy is the natural result of having sex. Short of medical intervention, that is the only way pregnancy occurs. So if you don’t want to deal with being pregnant, if you’re not ready for it, or it’s not convient for you, then don’t engage in behavior that causes it. Simple enough.

          • Ronald

            That’s a fantastic theory. Ask people to be rational, ask them to control their natural impulses and then punish them if they fail to do so.

            The only problem is that people (especially young people) are NOT strictly rational. They DO make poor choices and they DO succumb to hormones and impulses. When this happens, there are unintended consequences which are only made worse by having tyrants step in demanding control over other people’s bodies.

          • Rain

            Pregnancy isn’t punishment, it’s a natural result of certain actions. Making a poor choice or succumbing to hormones/impulses doesn’t justify making another poor choice in ending the life of the unborn child your actions created. It’s called taking responsibility for the consequences of your actions.
            For far too long, more and more of our culture has stressed NOT being responsible, not being held accountable for our own actions and this is what it has led to.

          • Ronald

            It’s punishment when it is not by choice — whether the result of natural actions or not. I’m all for personal responsibility and accountability. But those concepts do not trump the effects that an unwanted pregnancy has on the mother.

          • Rain

            as I told my daughters when we had the “talks” when you make the decision to have sex, you are making the decision to get pregnant. Now I understand that not everyone agrees with that, apparently they think sex and pregnancy are two unrelated things but here in the real world one leads to the other, the choice to be pregnant is made when you choose to have sex period. (of course this doesn’t apply in cases of rape). I’m sure having a baby you didn’t mean to get pregnant with can be devastating at times, but that still doesn’t justify murder of the unborn.

          • AMSilver

            Unless there’s a rape, then it’s always by choice. Everyone is aware that pregnancy is always a possible outcome of sex. A person who engages in sex is taking the risk of getting pregnant each and every time they do so. The fact that they convinced themselves that they wouldn’t be the % of the population who gets pregnant doesn’t relieve them of the responsibility of making that choice. If I choose to buy a product from a door-to-door salesman despite knowing that there is a risk that he’s a fraud, then I don’t get to magically undo whatever unfortunate consequence comes from my choice just because I didn’t want to be in the percentage of people who have unintended consequences. If I choose to put my money in the stock-market and loose it all when the stock price falls, I don’t get to magically have all that money returned to me, even if I can show that the generalized risk of loosing money in the stock market is low and I don’t want the consequences that come from taking that risk. If I choose to smoke and get cancer, then I don’t get to magically make that go away because only a certain percentage of smokers get cancer and therefore I should be able to smoke without consequences. Part of growing up is dealing with the consequences of one’s actions. No one is forcing a woman to have a baby (except in cases of rape) – and she doesn’t have a natural right to escape the consequences of her choices just because she got a consequence she didn’t like.

          • Ronald

            Firstly, I can think of a number of circumstances where women can get pregnant without choosing to do so besides rape.

            Secondly, there are circumstances in life where personal responsibility as a value comes into direct conflict with other values such as personal autonomy and the freedom to decide what happens inside your own body.

            I will never let a government control my body or the bodies of my loved ones. If you value freedom, you must accept that some people will misuse it. But to come along and legislate morality is not only impossible, but immoral.

          • ThatConfused1

            So what you’re saying is its rape when it’s not rape? And what circumstances do you consider when it’s not rape when the woman doesn’t consent? Talk about flawed logic and a broken ego on you.

    • kim

      Please. They’ve managed to murder 55 million babies. They boo GOD.

      • Ronald

        Is life more valuable than freedom?

        • AMSilver

          Freedom by necessity requires the person experiencing freedom to receive the results of their actions. The life vs. freedom argument you’re implying is totally fallacious. True freedom includes experiencing the natural consequences that come from making choices. Allowing one person to kill another because they are unhappy with the results of their choices ends both life and freedom. Freedom does not mean being in a state where one can experience only positive outcomes. It means being able to make a choice and receive the consequences (good or bad) of that choice.

          • Ronald

            You have neatly avoided answering the question. Which is more valuable?

          • AMSilver

            I directly addressed the question by saying the argument is totally fallacious (when applied to this debate). I know you would love to run as far away from the actual subject matter (since your position is indefensible), but that doesn’t mean I have to run along with you. Abortion has nothing to do with a life vs. freedom debate, because no one (except in instances of rape) is forcing women to get pregnant. Refusing to legalize murder to relieve someone of the consequences of their actions is not forcing them to do anything.

          • Ronald

            More avoidance.

            Let me spell it out: Sometimes values come into conflict with each other. For instance, if life was the MOST important value, people would outlaw cars, because millions of people die in car accidents every year. It is possible to imagine a world in which life was so valued that every precaution was made to avoid taking lives. In fact certain religious groups actually take that approach.

            You said you addressed my QUESTION by saying the ARGUMENT was fallacious. But can you tell the DIFFERENCE between a question and an argument? They are in fact different things.

            Let me show you….

            Is chocolate better than vanilla? That is a question.

            Chocolate is better than vanilla because more people like it. That is an argument.

            You have still not answered the QUESTION. Which is more valuable?

          • ThatConfused1

            Ronald’s reaction in summary: head in sand going Lalalalalalala! I can’t hear you, you’re avoiding me!!!!

            Keep doing a fine job of making yourself the twitchy village idiot.

          • AMSilver

            I directly addressed the question by saying the argument is totally fallacious (when applied to this debate). I know you would love to run as far away from the actual subject matter (since your position is indefensible), but that doesn’t mean I have to run along with you. Abortion has nothing to do with a life vs. freedom debate, because no one (except in instances of rape) is forcing women to get pregnant. Refusing to legalize murder to relieve someone of the consequences of their actions is not forcing them to do anything.

  • LinTaylor

    I love the hypocrisy of the woman who treats animals with more care than she does humans – and please bear in mind, I’m definitely an animal person.

    • nc

      I knew a woman a few years back who would carry spiders out of her house rather than kill them, but she had an abortion. She also couldn’t understand why she was so messed up in the head.

      • John Thomas “Jack” Ward III

        I (sometimes) do that with Cockroaches….Lots of Frogs, Lizards and snakes around here… Good luck making it back to the house! And unless it’s a murderer/child molester, I CARE A LOT ABOUT HUMAN LIFE! #RightWard Jawamax 8<{D}

      • Bathing Suit Area

        She probably would have just carried the foetus out of her uterus and let it live elsewhere, too, but it’s not as easy as with spiders.

        • ThatConfused1

          You’re really a moron with the spider analogy that doesn’t work at all.

          • Bathing Suit Area

            I’m not the one who brought up the spider comparison, and I was pointing out why it doesn’t equate.

          • ThatConfused1

            Then who did? You seem to be bringing it up a lot lately and love to be attached to it.

          • Bathing Suit Area

            See the previous comment from “nc” that I was replying to.

  • Grandma HeadInjury

    How’d those unwanted babies get started in the first place?

    I mean really, how stupid do you have to be? What leads to babies at all? If it’s inconvenient to take the delivery then…Stop. Taking. The. Damn. Order. So. Damn. Many. Times!

    Simple really! I dunno, I’ve been married for over 25 years, no kids, and surprise! No kids. Unlike most liberals, mouth breathers, and entitled brats, I paid attention in biology. And in health class.

    Stick your choice up your ass and quit killing children

    *Rant off…

    • 3seven77

      Standing Ovation! :)

    • Ronald

      Did you ever have unprotected sex as a teenager? Probably not. But millions of them do. Teaching them about sex, providing condoms, etc is a good start to preventing unwanted pregnancies; however, teens will invariably make mistakes. Telling a teen girl that she MUST have a baby strips her of her right to decide what happens to her body AND her life. You must decide if the rights of an unborn fetus outranks the rights of the mother.

      • Rain

        teaching them irresponsibility about sex, that it’s not special and is no meaningful that handholding and there is NO good reason to deny your desires/impulses/hormones plus adding in birth control that isn’t 100 % and if you do get pregnant, well it’s not “actually” a baby, you can just get a D&C no muss no fuss after all it’s not like you have any sort of obligation to it after all, is exactly how we’ve wound up with so many unwanted pregnancies in the first place. When a pregnancy comes about because of irresponsibility you’re damn right, the right of the baby to be allowed to develop and be born out-ways the right of the mother to not be bothered by a pregnancy she didn’t want.
        Adoption not abortion.
        and I’m done.

      • Grandma HeadInjury

        Decision made. Thanks. Forgive me for thinking that cold-blooded murder in the name of helping some girl whose parents didn’t teach her how to keep her knees together outweighs some kind of feel-good legislation about a non-adult’s “right to decide” anything.

        If the parents failed at raising their teenage daughter, then let’s give them a chance to redeem themselves. Without all this convenience-killing as an option, everyone now has skin in the game.

        But I appreciate your “easy way out” approach. Even if it’s morally reprehensible….

        • Ronald

          We disagree. Simple as that.

      • Grandma HeadInjury

        Meanwhile, speaking of the “rights of the mother” google “Dr. Rodney Stephens and Itai Gravely” and tell me how those ‘mother’s rights’ worked out….

        • Ronald

          That was a horrible situation. Totally disgusting. But that in no way undermines a person’s right to control THEIR OWN BODY.

          • Grandma HeadInjury

            By dismembering someone else’s “OWN BODY” in the process? Yeah, sorry. Again, your “feel good” stance does little to overshadow the murder by mutilation required to make you feel good….

          • Grandma HeadInjury

            By dismembering someone else’s “OWN BODY” in the process? Yeah, sorry. Again, your “feel good” stance does little to overshadow the murder by mutilation required to make you feel good….

  • Daniel Gilfillan

    Sounds like death rattles to me. The pro-abortion crowd is losing ground quick.

    • poh

      They’re killing themselves off.

      • Spatial Awareness

        YEA! >:^D

      • Ronald

        Yeah, because all the unborn babies would have been genetically predisposed to supporting abortion? That’s wacky.

      • Ronald

        No. They are killing fetuses. They are not killing people that believe in freedom and autonomy.

        • poh

          Question, do you know any freedom loving people with autonomy that weren’t fetuses?

          • Ronald

            Do you know any people who are pro-choice that were not once a fetus?

          • poh

            So we can agree that “people”, pro-abortion or anti-abortion, were once fetuses. Thus proving the point that a fetus is essential in becoming a person, and the collective. people.

          • Ronald

            Obviously. Do you want a junior Mensa badge for that?

          • poh

            So when does a fetus become a person in your judgment, when? It’s must be obvious to you. It would help in getting my junior mensa badge..

          • Ronald

            When does a pebble become a stone? These are questions that depend entirely on our own subjectivity.

  • Mandy in SC

    Am I the only one that feels as though a little personal responsibility BEFORE conception would end a lot of this? You know, keeping your pants on if you can’t afford a pack of condoms…. or the FREE ones they hand out at Planned Parenthood… Or all that free birth control that Obama fought for? Most of this talk of abortion, or Plan B, wouldn’t be necessary. Instead of shoving abortion in kids’ faces as the most logical choice, “here’s what you do if you sleep around and end up having a mistake you might have to deal with that you can’t cure with antibiotics…” Why don’t we teach responsibility, preventative measures, and that abstaining from sex is not the end of the world? We are not slaves to our hormones, and asking folks to be responsible with their babymakers is not opression! It drives me nuts that we are turning into a society where personal responsibility is disappearing because the libs want to turn us into a government-funded, consequence-free society. Ugh.

    • Raye09

      Bottom line is if you do not have the means or common sense to get a free pack of condoms or a $15 pack of birth control pills then you are clearly not mature enough to have a sexual relationship with anyone. Also, if you think it is “embarassing” to get an std test twice a year(which is offered at most free clinics and planned parenthood), then you are not mature enough to have a sexual relationship.
      We also need to put more emphasis on teaching people to screen who they choose to sleep with. If you can’t see yourself possibly having a child with this person then do not have sex with them. It’s really pathetic that we have to have this conversation with adults.

      • Mandy in SC

        Here’s what gets me… this is available: http://www.amazon.com/Durex-Performax-100-Pack-of-Condoms/dp/B0007W2DYM/ref=sr_1_10?s=hpc&ie=UTF8&qid=1371345539&sr=1-10&keywords=condoms

        The link is to a 100 pack of Durex condoms for 20 bucks on Amazon. 100. for 20 bucks. It took me less than 10 seconds to find it. But somehow it’s a financial burden to ask people to be responsible with sex? I am generally in agreement with being more selective when it comes to having sex, because actions have consequences, and part of being an adult is having to take responsibility for those actions, and that includes dealing with a pregnancy. Maybe if it wasn’t so easy for people to just erase their mistakes, abortion wouldn’t be so prevalent.

        • Raye09

          I don’t get it either, birth control is more affordable and accessible than ever, yet people still cannot bring themselves to pay 20 bucks for a huge pack of condoms. I truly think that these people just do not care. They fail to see the problem is their own lack of common sense.

    • trixiewoobeans

      This is the Liberal Democrat tangle. Their loosey-goosey, “no consequences” policies led to a HUGE explosion in teen and single-mother pregnancies. A large proportion of them have to go on government assistance, causing massive strain and resentment on taxpayers. If this keeps happening, the people will revolt and kick the Democrats out for good. What to do to stay in power? A war! An imaginary “War on Women”, with babies as the “enemy!” Along comes Planned Parenthood on their big white hearse…I mean, horse…ready to save the day with abortions for all! Wrap it up as a gift to women, with a big Pro-Choice bow, and Voila! No more tax burdens! No more responsibility for your actions! And Dems get to claim they are the saviors of women, and most importantly, stay in power, cause that’s what it’s ALL ABOUT!

    • Mr. Saturn

      Pfft. Personal responsibility? What kind of antiquated notion is that? Why should you be responsible for yourself when you can just ask the Nanny State to make everything better?

      • Ronald

        The old way was better right? Girl gets pregnant, then decides to take personal responsibility by using a coat hanger. Fetus dies, but so does the mother. Personal responsibility is grand.

        • Mr. Saturn

          How about not getting pregnant in the first place? I know you believe girls just spontaneously get pregnant but it anyone with a basic understanding of biology knows you have to work at it. The bonus is that no one dies, the girl isn’t thrust into a role she isn’t ready for and everyone is happy. Well except for you since apparently personal responsibility is something that causes you fear and trepidation.

          • Ronald

            It’s true. Some women just spontaneously get pregnant! Mary, the mother of Christ, was one of them.

            btw. I love how you have special knowledge about my beliefs, fears and trepidations. Are you some kind of god?

    • b_truit

      You know if the process the bible calls for; sex only within the confines marriage would be followed, there would be none of this. Oh but that’s right, I’m old fashioned and out of style.

      • Mandy in SC

        As a (soon to be) pastor’s wife (hubby will be ordained soon), I’m not overly inclined to disagree with you. I have long believed that sex should be an expression of love reserved for committed, monogamous relationships… not anonymous one-time encounters to ‘scratch an itch.’ Guess that makes me a prude.

        • b_truit

          I agree, I would just replace monogamous with marriage. Bible doesn’t mention monogamous.

          • Mandy in SC

            True enough, but not everyone uses the Bible as life’s instruction manual, particularly younger folks. It’s a sad thing, but it’s true. And I was raised in the PC well of DC for 20+ years growing up, so I tend to feel that my religious beliefs shouldn’t be pushed on those who don’t follow them. So, I compromise with “long term, monogamous relationships” because not everyone wants a relationship blessed by the church.

          • AMSilver

            The problem with equating long term, monogamous relationships with marriage is that they are not the same thing, not in principle and not in application. Long term, monogamous relationships are much more tenuous and likely to fail than marriage. There is a different mind-set one enters into when engaging in a LTMR instead of a marriage, and that mind-set leads to a different – much lower – level of commitment. Treating the two different things as perfectly interchangeable does a huge disservice to people who are considering which to enter into. Telling a woman (and women generally want the security of a relationship that will last a life-time) that ‘living together’ is the equivalent of getting married hurts her because she doesn’t have the accurate information she needs to get the outcome she wants. Being a (soon to be) pastor’s wife, I would imagine you ought to feel the same obligation to be honest and loving that Christ displayed. He told people the truth about sin and its consequences – not because he wanted to tear people down, but because he loved them so much that he wanted them to be able to make the right choices. A huge part of being able to make the right choices is knowing the truth. I think it’s more kind and loving to be honest with someone about the consequences of their choices than it is to lie to them in order to keep them from getting angry at you. The first is self-less, the second is selfish because you are more concerned about what consequences you will face (someone disliking you and possibly getting angry) than you are about the consequences the other person will face.

          • Michael Anderson

            Perhaps, but be careful about the use of the word “marriage”. If you are talking about “what God has joined together” fine, but what we too often call marriage is just the government intruding into religion. Because of that we say living together before a legal marriage is sin. But from what I can tell living together is marriage in God’s eyes. “A man will leave his father and mother and cleave to his wife.”

      • Glen Hull

        To be fair, even married folks have unexpected pregnancies.

      • Glen Hull

        To be fair, even married folks have unexpected pregnancies.

    • kim

      Because that requires each person to accept responsibility for themselves and that is the LAST thing the left wants.
      But for people who pride themselves on their belief in science, you’d think they’d have learned that science knows what makes babies

    • grais

      You are not the only one. It’s the most frustrating part of this entire ‘debate’ for me. It’s 2013. There is no earthly reason (apart from rape) for a woman who doesn’t want to become pregnant, to become pregnant. NONE!

      Easy access to abortion has removed the moral stigma, which has removed the personal responsibility. I’ve been watching it happen over the last 40-something years.

    • Bathing Suit Area

      Should we also shut down the fire brigade and just teach people to be responsible about fire? I’m sure that’ll work out just great.

      • ThatConfused1

        Given that fire brigades are volunteer work forces that existed before Planned Parenthood was brought forth in an attempt to purge unwanted human genes I don’t see your logic. Did someone drop you head first as a baby?

      • Mandy in SC

        Obviously your skills in reading comprehension need work. Should we just ignore any kind of fire safety because there are fire departments to put out the fire, and insurance companies to pay for the damage? Or, should we.. you know, JUST MAYBE, be responsible with those matches and lighters? An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure, stop being an idiot.

        • Bathing Suit Area

          Nobody is suggesting the prevention is not better than cure, but that prevention doesn’t always work and you need to have the cure on hand. Unless you think that teaching everyone about fire safety means that there’s no need for the fire brigade any more?

          • Mandy in SC

            Again, you show your lack of reading comprehension skills. Kindly point out where I said anything about ‘getting rid of’ anything?

  • Raye09

    The morning after pill and abortion were originally intended as last ditch efforts, not first line defense. I know women my age(21-25) who don’t bother with condoms or birth control pills(most of which are cheap, you can easily get both for less than $30/month), and instead use the morning after pill quite frequently(that can’t be good for your health).

    Abortion as a “end all logical choice” clearly does not work. I am black, black women have the highest abortion rate AND the highest out of wedlock birth rate(about 80%). All this tells me is that there is a behavioral personal responsibility issue and that getting abortions is not the answer.

    I got into an argument with another woman online a while back whose answer to this wa s”get more abortions then”, not a more comprehensive sex ed program that actually shows that condoms and birth control are not inaccessible, teaching people personal responsibility and consequences, and telling people abstaining from sex is a viable option.

    • dba_vagabond_trader

      If you really want to stir it up tell your pro choice friends Margaret Sanger, founder of pp, was a virulent racist and fully supported the genocide of black babies. And yes, frequently popping powerful hormone disrupting pharmaceuticals will eventually lead to infertility and other “lady parts” maladies. Which basically goes along with the agenda of abortion zealots, culling the human population of those deemed as undesirables.

      • Raye09

        They know about Margaret Sanger, they just do not care. Most of my stringent pro-abortion acquaintances feel that although she was a racist comparable to Josef Mengele in ideology, she did “a ton” to move women’s rights forward, that or they flat out deny it and say it was “all a lie to discredit her”(these are black, white and latina women that feel this way, I live in a pretty diverse area).

        • Bathing Suit Area

          Who wasn’t a big old racist back then? The important thing is what the organisation is doing now.

          Or do you think America is evil because its founders had slaves?

          • Raye09

            The organization doesn’t really do much to curb unwanted pregnancy. Sure some people might benefit, but the majority does not. The out of wedlock rate in the inner city is still high. All the free condoms in the world won’t help someone who doesn’t use them, unlimited abortions won’t help someone who refuses to responsibly use birth control. Planned parenthood’s methods fail because they do not teach behavior reform.

            Two- most people were racist back then, but Margaret Sanger went above and beyond what was normal, she actually encouraged wiping out “undesireables”.

            “Or do you think America is evil because its founders had slaves?”

            Your delrailment tactics are cute, but this is totally off-topic and has nothing to do with the present conversation. Please come up with a different argument. If planned parenthood and abortion works can you please explain to me why black women have the highest abortion rate, yet still have the highest out of wedlock rate?

        • ThatConfused1

          Raye09 you should ask if they are familiar with Susan B. Anthony and her memoirs/speeches on such rights or if they are aware that Nazi Germany used United States Progressive ideals to reinforce their own views on humanity. Margaret marched women’s rights backwards, not forwards at all so why they’d think a woman that would have seen them sterilized is an advocate of women’s rights is disturbing.

          • Ronald

            “Hardly two different things especially when memes of a culture can cultivate genetic outcomes and how genetic desired traits dictate cultural memes. A Progressive take on why humanity should be culled as you’re the useful idiot dancin along to such a plan ignorant of what would be in store for you. My family’s survived Stalin, Hitler and Mao, it’ll survive you morons.”

            You’ve simply shown that memes and genes might affect each other. That does not prove they are the same thing. Nice try though.

    • Jay Stevens

      An unwanted pregnancy is not the only problem with unprotected sex. There are just too many STD’s floating around that once you have them, you just cannot get rid of.

      • AMSilver

        That’s a huge problem with today’s sex ‘education’ curriculum in public schools. They equate using a condom with abstinence as far as a safe way to avoid pregnancy and STDs, but adults with average usage for a condom only have an 80% success rate with avoiding pregnancy (teens are less likely to use it correctly, and therefore will have a lower success rate), and there are plenty of STDs that one can get even if they do use the condom 100% correctly, such as HPV, herpes and crabs. Current sex-ed classes focus on things like gender identity and how to tell if you are emotionally ready for sex, rather than providing the cold, hard science about the risks of engaging in sex. The information that they don’t provide in these classes is so glaring that it almost comes across as an attempt to get our youth knocked-up and infected. (http://www.miriamgrossmanmd.com/ – Dr. Grossman has posted the New York State sex-ed curriculum, which wouldn’t be subject to all those ‘conservative sex-ed deficiencies that exist due to conservative’s prudish inability to think about anything other than abstinence’ due to the fact that NY isn’t known for it’s conservatives, and goes over all the scientific inaccuracies that exist in it. It’s very informative.)

  • TJ

    If you can get free condoms everywhere would they still want abortion everywhere.

  • NRPax

    I pointed this out once before but it bears repeating: Every time Planned Parenthood makes the claim that they are going to lose government money, they are overwhelmed with private dollars the next day. So what do they need tax dollars for?

  • [email protected]

    Pro-abortion folks should not be called pro-choice. They don’t want a woman considering an abortion to have a waiting period, counseling, or see the ultrasound as that might make that woman choose to not abort.

    • trixiewoobeans

      Good point. Maybe “No-Choice” is more fitting.

    • Bathing Suit Area

      Those waiting periods, “counseling” and mandatory ultrasounds aren’t about informed choice, they’re about adding obstacles to try to discourage those who’ve already made up their minds.

      • ThatConfused1

        Who gave you an MD? I suspect you don’t know what you’re mumbling about with medical information on the health of the fetus.

      • NRPax

        Given the numerous cases that have come up where a woman regretted having an abortion as well as the fact that you’re discussing a major medical procedure with a risk of complications, I don’t see what’s so bad about giving people information before they agree to it.

        • Bathing Suit Area

          Mandatory trans-vaginal ultrasounds are not for giving people information. It’s not like women don’t know there’s a foetus in there. And if they don’t know what one looks like, show them an existing picture instead of making them get probed.

          • NRPax

            So “informed consent” is a silly notion.

          • Bathing Suit Area

            It’s quite a serious notion, and should not be used as a justification for needlessly jerking people around because you don’t like the decision they’ve made.

          • NRPax

            So the liberal argument to curtail rights of “If it saves the life of even one child”! doesn’t exactly apply in this instance?

          • Bathing Suit Area

            Mandatory organ donation would save lots of lives, but we believe that bodily autonomy is more important. This is the same as that.

          • NRPax

            Apple, meet orange. When it’s your body, that’s one thing. When you have a second individual involved, it’s another.

          • Ronald

            Or vis-a-versa. Since you are pointing to the argument, you must also note the defence.

          • NRPax

            I just find it highly amusing that liberal types use the “Think of the children!” argument when they want to curtail a right in the Constitution (in this case, the right to keep and bear arms) but don’t apply it to rights that don’t exist in the Constitution (such as abortion).

          • Ronald

            So what answer does the right give when the left says to think of the children? They posit that personal rights trump life. With abortion they say that life trumps rights. So all you’ve shown is that the arguments are flipped, and so are the rebuttals!

  • Spasmolytic

    Help me understand this: Democrats claim there’s a war on women yet republican women don’t agree. Why do liberal women get to decide the gender narrative?

    • ThatConfused1

      Because it’s the process of forcing a One Party solution onto the Nation to create an Oligarchy. And it’s also to seek revenge on Republicans for their victory over the Confederacy, Democrat leadership have not forgotten they lost the Civil War and saw all their agendas long delayed.

  • http://tumblr.indyskye.net/ IndySkye

    “Pro-choice” is a problematic term for those who are pro-abortion. A
    large part of their argument in the moral context is that women who have
    a doctor perform an abortion have no choice. Their circumstances and/or
    health require the abortion. Once you get into it being a choice then
    there can be discussion and promotion of alternatives and education for
    making an informed choice.

  • Squirrel!

    Why is abortion their Plan A? Shouldn’t abstinence or even birth control be Plan A? That’s where it should start, right?

  • TocksNedlog

    Xtopher, the king of new-tone.

  • http://www.amazon.com/Devon-Dibley-His-Golden-Key/dp/1484181557/ M F Scotto

    “We should gather up all of these unwanted children and put them on her doorstep?”

    So the Leftists want us to gather up unwanted children and murder them? Do they hear themselves? The justification for murder is whether someone is “wanted”?

    • Bathing Suit Area

      That’s some top quality misreading you’re doing there.

      • http://www.amazon.com/Devon-Dibley-His-Golden-Key/dp/1484181557/ M F Scotto

        That’s some inability to follow a logical conclusion you’ve exhibited there.

  • Mat

    I tweeted this to Lizz, but was blocked before she would answer. Maybe someone else will have better luck?

    —-

    Guess “pro-life” is an evil phrase. Maybe if women keep penis out of them, there wouldn’t be unwanted children. Am I wrong, @lizzwinstead?

    1/2 Pro-killing children is not killing, it’s “pro-choice.” I’d argue to @lizzwinstead what the left always argues to anti-big govt people…

    2/2 Maybe the government should “regulate choice” (make it illegal) b/c you can’t make the right choice. @lizzwinstead

    Isn’t that how the left (i.e. Bloomberg, Obama) operate, @lizzwinstead? The govt is only doing it to “nudge” you into the right direction.

  • seek456

    Yes indeedy, they’re all “pro-some life” – we choose, we decide.

  • kim

    Straw argument. Why should there be unwanted babies to kill or abandon on doorstep. Try this…. CLOSE YOUR LEGS. TAKE BIRTH CONTROL. GET A SHOT. ETC. PREVENT A BABY TO BEGIN WITH AND THERE WOULDN’T BE UNWANTED BABIES OR MURDERED BABIES

    • John Thomas “Jack” Ward III

      Or, as #RushLimbaugh and #GlennBeck say, “Abstinence is the only 100 percent effective form of Birth control!” #RightWard Jawamax 8<{D}

    • Bathing Suit Area

      The anti choice movement would have better luck convincing people out wasn’t all about punishing sexual women if you could hold off from screaming “CLOSE YOUR LEGS” all the time.

      • ThatConfused1

        We have chosen life over death. You are arguing for people to be butchered like they’re spiders. You are the mad man.

  • CasualMeyhem

    Let me see. Before plan B there’s going to be a baby. After plan B there is not going to be a baby. Because that’s what plan B does. Am I missing something?

    • Bathing Suit Area

      EDIT: Yeah, I misread this and responded to the message I was expecting to see, not the one that was actually there. My bad.

      False! That’s the very low that people are complaining about them getting away with on the show.

      Plan B prevents fertilisation.

      • ThatConfused1

        Plan B is a morning after pill system, so CasualMeyhem’s statement is correct. Now I see what your problem is:

        You lack reading comprehension skills and logic skills.

        • Bathing Suit Area

          Whoops.

      • AMSilver

        Plan B cannot possibly prevent fertilization since fertilizations has already happened by the time it is taken. It prevents *implantation*, which is where the fertilized egg, now a zygote, attaches to the lining of the uterus. You have no idea what you’re talking about.

        • Bathing Suit Area

          Ah, THIS is the sort of message I’ve been expecting to see and prematurely replied to.

          And what you’re saying is false, fertilization frequently does not occur until long after the sexual act in question, leaving plenty of time for Plan B to stop it.

    • Bathing Suit Area

      EDIT: Yeah, I misread this and responded to the message I was expecting to see, not the one that was actually there. My bad.

      False! That’s the very low that people are complaining about them getting away with on the show.

      Plan B prevents fertilisation.

  • Bristel

    To leftists, animals are more important than people. Good to know. Now I know ever to let my potential children in the hands of them. (if I ever have kids, that is)

    • Hiraghm

      To be fair, to me animals are more important than leftists…

  • Peter885

    Um… the account that tweeted about putting unwanted babies on the doorstep was @Isays1971. The account that tweeted about adopting animals is @ISF_KY.

    @Isays1971 may have retweeted it, but why are you posting pictures from @ISF_KY’s account? She had nothing to do with this. All you’re doing is sending people to harrass her on twitter for comments about babies on doorsteps that she never said.

    And check her feed, that’s exactly what happened.

    • ogama843

      Agreed,think an apology is warranted for @ISF_KY. If @Isays1971 retweeted that, pour it on her.

  • John Thomas “Jack” Ward III

    I think Tommy Christopher and Lizz Winstead take too many #Uppers….They’re trying to make their opinion the only one that sounds “Viable” (pardon the term), after the debate with Ms. Yoest….But lest they forget, EVERYBODY (Including the latter) has the right to an opinion (FIRST AMENDMENT, U.S. CONSTITUTION), no matter how ridiculous the other person sees it.
    BTW, I don’t watch MSM-LSD, so I didn’t see the show; if I had, I would have valued Ms. Yoest’s opinion over the “Pro-Choice” panelists. #RightWard Jawamax 8<{D}

  • sickofitall1096

    I love how the libs were screaming about all the “misinformation” give out by Charmaine Yoest. The bottom line is the MURDER is committed on a daily basis in the name of “choice” and women’s rights. That is not misinformation, it is a fact. There is no other explanation, statistics, etc needed.
    Also check out the slob next to Ms. Yoest in the screen shot of the video. Funny, I didn’t know Jaba the Hut also worked as a democratic pollster…

  • Janice LEE

    The intellectual dishonesty of the abortion crowd continues to amaze me.
    Pregnancy is not something caught like the flu. A woman has choices BEFORE she has unprotected sex.
    That choice should not be to kill the baby if she happens to get pregnant.

    • Bathing Suit Area

      You make choices before you get the flu, too. You could lock yourself in a hermetically sealed chamber amd never get within breathing distance of another human, but instead you choose to kill of those innocent viruses out of selfishness.

      • ThatConfused1

        Where the blazing blues did you come up with such a wild and nutcase analogy? The Immune system is honed to aggressive attack any foreign viral and bacterial material entering the body. A fetus is not a virus, so I have no idea how you made such an idiotic leap of logic.

        • Bathing Suit Area

          This was someone else’s comparison. Just as most of us aren’t willing to swear off all human contact to avoid the flu, must of us also don’t want to swear off all sex for life to avoid unwanted pregnancies.

          • AMSilver

            A virus is not a human being. Are you really this morally bankrupt? Or is it a complete inability to use logic?

          • Ronald

            Actually what he said was logical. You disagree with the logic, but there was no internal contradiction. The argument was valid, even if you disagree with the premises.

          • AMSilver

            It is entirely illogical. A baby is not a disease, and infection, or an aberration of the human body’s functioning. It is not an invader, a parasite, or a cancer. A human body naturally kills viruses through it’s immune system, whereas a human body naturally supports and nurtures a baby. A virus left unchecked will eventually kill it’s host. A baby left unchecked will eventually leave the mother’s system with no negative outcomes (and generally very positive outcomes for the mental and physical state of the mother). A virus occurs when a foreign entity invades a human host. A baby occurs through the natural fulfillment of a body’s reproductive processes. There is absolutely no comparison between a virus and a baby that stands up to even the most basic scrutiny.

          • Bathing Suit Area

            That’s not what illogical means.

          • AMSilver

            It is entirely illogical. A baby is not a disease, and infection, or an aberration of the human body’s functioning. It is not an invader, a parasite, or a cancer. A human body naturally kills viruses through it’s immune system, whereas a human body naturally supports and nurtures a baby. A virus left unchecked will eventually kill it’s host. A baby left unchecked will eventually leave the mother’s system with no negative outcomes (and generally very positive outcomes for the mental and physical state of the mother). A virus occurs when a foreign entity invades a human host. A baby occurs through the natural fulfillment of a body’s reproductive processes. There is absolutely no comparison between a virus and a baby that stands up to even the most basic scrutiny.

          • Bathing Suit Area

            Again, not my analogy.

          • AMSilver

            Not your analogy, but you’re happy to twist it to try and support your end of the debate. The analogy was that a baby is not equivalent to a virus and should not be treated like one, and your response was to equate the two in order to use the perfectly reasonable justification for killing viruses to legitimize the morally reprehensible justifications for killing babies.

          • Bathing Suit Area

            I’m just trying to work with the analogies that people bring me, or show why they don’t work.

          • AMSilver

            Not your analogy, but you’re happy to twist it to try and support your end of the debate. The analogy was that a baby is not equivalent to a virus and should not be treated like one, and your response was to equate the two in order to use the perfectly reasonable justification for killing viruses to legitimize the morally reprehensible justifications for killing babies.

    • Bathing Suit Area

      You make choices before you get the flu, too. You could lock yourself in a hermetically sealed chamber amd never get within breathing distance of another human, but instead you choose to kill of those innocent viruses out of selfishness.

  • Elaine

    Just a little FYI for all you pro abortion haters. There are no unwanted CHILDREN. Just unwanted pregnancies. Give us the children. There are a lot of people who will adopt! Even more, now that gay marriage is the law of the land. We’ll care for them. Don’t use the “burden” of raising a child as an excuse to just KILL that child. You yourself were once a “burden.”

    • Hiraghm

      I’m opposed to them giving up their “unwanted” children for adoption. If I don’t want a chocolate cake, I don’t perform the acts necessary to make one. If I don’t want a child, I don’t… have… sex! That is the function of sex organs, just as the function of the stomach and hunger is to feed ourselves.

      They created the life, it’s just an immature, cowardly, selfish avoidance of responsibility for their actions .

      • Elaine

        You are out of your mind. Unexpected pregnancies have been happening for generations. No one is perfect, especially not you.

    • Bathing Suit Area

      Are you offering to take over the unwanted pregnancy and give birth at the end of it too?

      • ThatConfused1

        There are a lot of women that would seek to be surrogate mothers so don’t know where you’re going with that brain dead thought.

    • Bathing Suit Area

      Are you offering to take over the unwanted pregnancy and give birth at the end of it too?

  • OurLivesMatterToo

    Hate that Twitchy gives that little fat troll Tommy Christopher the time of day, let alone all the coverage he’s received in this thread. Christopher is without a doubt, the biggest boot licking Obama-sycophant out there in the so-called media today. He’s a total turd, a coward, and pretty much the most worthless blogger/journalist in America today.

  • Joe W.

    If these “ladies” had the morals above those of an alley cat, there would be no need for any of this nonsense.

  • terrisarten

    So the pro-choice wants everyone to believe they are pro-life? HA HA.

  • Guest

    I am 22 years old. Because I am not yet married I am still a virgin. Magically I have not gotten a girl pregnant, caught an STD, ruined a girl’s life, or woken up in bed with someone I barely know. I am happily awaiting the day I can start a family of my own. My wife will have the knowledge that I am hers, only ever been hers and only ever will be hers as a sign of my total respect and devoted love for her. That in the end Is what makes a relationship worth while. Commitment, understanding, self-control, selflessness and love. I am proud of the fact that I am waiting until marriage to have sex, and I encourage anyone and everyone who reads this to do the same.

  • http://www.nleomf.org/officers/ FlatFoot

     
    “We’re not the place for breaking news.”

    We’re the place for

    M oonbats
    S pouting
    N othing
    B ut
    C rap

    So, c’mon sheople! Tune In and Veg’ Out — right here on MSNnNnNnNBC!

    –MSNBC President Phil Griffin [June 02, 2013]
     

  • TruDat

    The pro-abortionists make me wretch.

  • bicentennialguy

    That last tweet – are you f’ing kidding me? Did this braindead idiot murderess really tweet that? Shows what value they put on human life – oh, but they are the first ones to scream bloody murder when a soldier gets killed in Afghanistan. Spare me the faux concern, stacy rogers.