Dana Delany discovers ‘gay lobby’ inside Vatican

A Chilean website this week reported that Pope Francis admitted in a meeting with religious leaders Sunday that a “gay lobby” exists within the Vatican bureaucracy. CNN called the Pope’s comment “enigmatic,” and a Vatican spokesman told CNN the Church had no official comment on the Pope’s remarks, which were made in a private meeting.

Actress Dana Delany, on vacation in Italy, thinks she’s found the gay lobby in the form of the famous spiral stairs at the Vatican Museums. Get it? Gay lobby?

Delany’s timeline is full of shots of Vatican masterpieces, but we’re not sure what to make of this.

  • CatHerder

    Okay, I used to like her.

  • Jeremy

    What is she on?

    • John (it true me am)

      Most recently the shows Body of Proof and Desperate Housewives, though for me the only thing I’ve ever cared about she’s done is the voice of Lois Lane in the Superman animated series and broader DC Animated Universe.

  • http://extremesplash.wordpress.com/ Ben Bollman

    I’m sorry, but this Pope is nothing but a progressive nightmare and everything he has done pretty much tells me he was put there to appease the liberals of the world.

    • camnpat

      What has he done differently than past Popes exactly other than giving his security detail a lot of work? He is a traditionalist who has continued with all the pillars of the Catholic doctrine just as a Pope is supposed to.

      • $2346491

        For normal people yes.. Papa Bergoglio is a traditional Catholic. But for the extreme fringe who really want to bring back the 1950s Francis is a nightmare. He likes Jewish people, cares more about the poor than how Communion is administered, and has modern liturgy sensibilities. Apparently, this is a horror to them.

        • http://extremesplash.wordpress.com/ Ben Bollman

          Hey genius, we care about Jewish and poor people and don’t care how Communion is administered. What we do care about is a Pope using the pulpit to spread a progressive agenda that harms everyone and leaves the world in a perpetual state of poverty, if he actually cared about poor people(and Jewish people for that matter) he wouldn’t have anything to do with it.

          • $2346491

            I know… How dare the Pope reiterate Catholic social justice teachings.

          • http://extremesplash.wordpress.com/ Ben Bollman

            Except social justice is a purely Catholic construct, not something other Christians believe. It has also been adopted and corrupted by progressives to help justify their intentions of spreading socialism by making it a moral imperative to get the government to provide for poor people even though capitalism has proven to be the most effective way to end poverty.

          • $2346491

            Protestants don’t believe in helping poor people? Because that is sort of a big deal in the Gospels.

          • http://extremesplash.wordpress.com/ Ben Bollman

            Christians believe(Catholics included) as stated in the Bible in giving of ourselves and of our own free will and not the government forcing us to do it and deciding how that money gets spent. That is nothing but false Christianity. Social Justice is an ideology constructed by the Catholic Church in the late 19th Century that was in itself influenced by Marxism and that progressives adopted in order to push their Marxist agenda. People falsely believe that just because it comes from the Catholic Church that it promotes Christian beliefs and it does not.

          • $2346491

            JPII was a huge fan of Marxism?? Last time I checked he was pretty instrumental in toppling the Soviet Union.

          • http://extremesplash.wordpress.com/ Ben Bollman

            He wasn’t perfect either but he also promoted capitalism and personal responsibility and the interpretation of social justice and the way it was used then is not the same as it is today. It has morphed into a way for progressives to push Marxism and sway Christians into believing in Marxism without them knowing it is Marxism. They are pushing collective salvation and good works through government which goes against Bible teachings of individual responsibility.

          • $2346491

            JPII’s view on capitalism was mighty similar to Francis’ view of capitalism. That doesn’t mean that the Church supports Marxism (or even that the current Pope does.) Exploitation of people for profit, excessive personal greed, etc. are all sins. Francis is just pointing this out. And his homilies are very individual centric and personal responsibility based.

          • http://extremesplash.wordpress.com/ Ben Bollman

            You are missing my point, distributism is a Marxist idea and is at the core of social justice. It has been morphed into meaning that Christians have a moral obligation to give their money to the government in order to help poor people instead of giving of themselves and doing good works themselves. It has come to mean that Christians need to pass their responsibilities onto the government to basically be Christians for them. It also takes responsibility away from poor people to try to pull themselves out of poverty and instead passes blame and responsibility for their troubles to someone else more successful and personally responsible. That is against God’s Will. People need to be charitable and giving but they need to do it themselves as individuals because they want to of their own free will, not because the government makes them. Pope Francis is not promoting personal responsibility at all, he is putting responsibility squarely onto people who are successful and responsible with no responsibility given to the poor for their own situation.

          • Kevin McAuley

            Are you intentionaly stupid or just very poorly informed? Distributism is antithetical to Marxism. You obviously understand neither.

          • http://extremesplash.wordpress.com/ Ben Bollman

            Distributism is based on Marxist theory, that is a fact.

          • BeautifulAmerica

            Distributism means Marxist/socialist/Communist/Big Gov Power, no power to people.

          • $2346491

            Francis is definitely preaching personal responsibility. His whole lecture about waste was preaching personal responsibility to the middle class pilgrims in Rome. However, he definitely is focused more on the “haves” in the developed world. But he isn’t demanding forced government redistribution. He is pointing out that excessive greed is a sin. Or people were created in God’s image, not “money.”

            As for personal responsibility, I think that there is a difference between the poverty that Francis is talking about in the developing world and Occupy Wall Street. People living in true Third World poverty aren’t slacking off. They probably work very hard just to keep from starving. That is different from an over-educated brat whining about his or her student loans.

          • http://extremesplash.wordpress.com/ Ben Bollman

            Third World poverty is caused by tyrannical regimes that suppress personal freedoms, not the lack of wealthy people giving more. A lot of these tyrants like Chavez and Castro were put there by people who believed in this mentality that wealthy people were excessively greedy and unfair and believed that these guys would fairly distribute this money made on greed back to the people. In the end it led to their ruin.

            And the Pope may not be outright demanding government redistribution but the kind of thinking he is espousing will lead to it and only encourages progressives to keep pushing for it. Asking one class of people to give a higher percentage than another is pure socialism and does not follow any Biblical principles. In fact, the tithe is the perfect antithesis of this kind of thinking. Social justice is a doctrine built on good intentions but poor results and it will only lead to the kind of poverty I just talked about.

          • $2346491

            The main issue with the developing world is corruption. Yes, Chavez and Castro are corrupt. But there is also lots of corruption going on in capitalist systems. This is wrong and evil. Francis isn’t a fan of Chavez. None of them are. But he doesn’t like South American imperialism either.

          • http://extremesplash.wordpress.com/ Ben Bollman

            But you are not getting it, the difference between us and socialist regimes is free will. Sure corruption happens in capitalism but we don’t have to do business with or vote for those who are corrupt, people in socialist regimes get no such option. Francis is promoting an ideology that sees having over a certain amount of money as ‘greed’ when that money goes into providing jobs and therefore pulling people out of poverty as a by-product of our ‘selfish’ need to achieve and innovate. Socialism takes all will to achieve by keeping everyone at a certain level and along with that misery comes poverty because the ruling class always skims off the top. Capitalism has proven time and again that it is the most effective way to end poverty and socialism is the best way to spread it.

          • BeautifulAmerica

            Absolutely! Well-said.

          • BeautifulAmerica

            BRAVO, Ben. Your answer is classic! And classy.

          • camnpat

            You and Ben are correct and it all comes down to semantics and the confusion caused by political and economic movements in monopolizing certain words for their own agenda.

            You are saying the same thing I was trying to point out which is “what Pope before Francis hasn’t talked about helping the poor and those in need?”. Ben, for his part, is correct to say that while the Bible mentions this on numerous verses it never imposes it. The Bible makes it clear it is all about individual choice and the major tenant is to be good to your fellow men which, unlike what some political groups would have you believe, doesn’t mean giving away your possessions.

            But talking about this is par for the course coming from the Vatican. The difference is that they will not impose political might to get their will done like a government imposes a tax. The Pope will convey ideals based on Biblical teachings translated and won’t go beyond that. Whether you choose to act on it or not is up to each member of the Church. The bigger point is that all previous Popes have done this as well (talk about poverty, family, kids, etc).

            And that is the difference and why I think we are all discussing this with the right idea but from different angles and why we are not fully grasping what we are talking about. Sadly the Marxist/ Progressive movement has been successful in making certain religious precepts seem in sync with their political and social ideologies even if they couldn’t be further apart. This causes that someone talking about Biblical tenants sounds like a proponent of the “Social Justice” label even when it is not the case leading to these discussions we are having.

            This is not to say that some individual priests have not been corrupted and use the pulpit to promote political ideologies disguised as Biblical teachings. But that’s a priest who does not have full faith in God over faith in a person such as a politician.

            Going back to the original idea that started this discussion to suggest that Pope Francis is intended in changing the historical stance on homosexuality for a random comment (on something that is pretty certainly true- groups that would love to push the gay agenda onto the Catholic church) is a bit of a stretch. Specially considering how he has opposed gay marriage in his home country over the years in a very outspoken way. And to suggest that he is all about (the label) social justice because he talks about poverty (thing that Popes before him have done in similar fashion) is also a stretch specially for what that means coming from the Vatican (and to whom).

            More than arguing with each other or getting reactive (not saying this specifically about you Ben and Illinidiva) about every little word someone says (outside of the White House and DoJ when it comes to scandals) we need to start drawing the line clearly between the trappings established by movements who have used words to push political ideologies and actual Biblical teachings with the goal being to make it clear that there are quite marked differences.

          • http://extremesplash.wordpress.com/ Ben Bollman

            You are right in that it is not necessarily a new thing, which is why I believe the Vatican to be corrupted and why they appointed a Jesuit(often considered to be the most liberal sect) to the Papacy. What concerns me though is that even though the Vatican cannot impose any legislation is that they are probably the most influential organization on the planet and can influence the hearts and minds of their followers and leaders with this rhetoric and that leads to legislation. I’m sorry but I don’t care for social justice in any of it’s forms because although well-intentioned it is easily corruptible and often used as tool to attack conservatism and America specifically. I believe it to be one of the main reasons Europe is the way it is today. And as I have stated I am not a Catholic and don’t believe that 19th Century Vatican doctrine determines how I should interpret God’s Will, only the Bible does that.

          • BeautifulAmerica

            the meaning of the word “Justice” includes people already. We don’t get “justice” for dogs, for example. By adding “social,” redundantly, Marxist political activists were able to use it to cover for their Big Gov/Low Individual responsibility, destructive philosophy.

          • BeautifulAmerica

            So right. I was inundated with this tripe by nuns who taught Civics, etc., in Catholic high school. And they used Alinsky tactics against students who might object, even then.

          • Mark81150

            You don’t get it at all, or are deliberately baiting people.. Christians believe in helping the poor, all of us, but the difference is in teaching them, not wrapping the perpetual poverty machine arms of government around them. You personally.. not the government.. you get that part?

            I took in 4 nieces and nephews, and two of my wife’s sisters, because they were single mom’s, and lost their homes.. That is Christian charity.. Liberal charity is pointing to the homeless shelter.. PERSONAL responsibility, not screaming that people who work harder than you pay for everything you want. You liberals have no grace at all, you tell us since we reject your progressive philosophy, we hate the poor, which is the most uninformed hateful prejudice of all.. the truth is just to painful for you.. Christians routinely give more to charity/ not political parties.. than the left does by a factor of 4…

            and still you smear us..

            The faces of my nieces and nephews are the reflection of Jesus’s love.. They know that as long as I and my wife live, they will not be abandoned.. and every liberal I know, calls us crazy for putting ourselves out,.. yes, it’s hard sometimes… but doing right has never been about demanding higher taxes and turning your back.. as the left wing churches do..

          • $2346491

            First, I am not a liberal. I voted for Romney in the last election. Second, I was just pointing out the obvious. Of course, all Christians believe in social justice and helping poor people. The poster I was responding to apparently believes that this is just a Catholic thing. I was just pointing out the obvious; the Pope is big on stuff in the Gospels, like helping poor people. This doesn’t make him a closet Communist to point out that perhaps the developed world should be more aware of and concerned with the lives of people in the Global South.

          • BeautifulAmerica

            I’m Christian and I DO NOT support the lie of “social justice.” I support individual responsibility.
            That politically motivated BS is just a slogan for the NWO/Big Government agenda.

          • BeautifulAmerica

            What a great example for all of us to remember. Excellent points.

          • BeautifulAmerica

            Way to go, Ben. That is absolutely right.

        • HWarrior13

          Whenever you hear/read the words “social justice” and/or “progressive”, that’s just code for bend over, because you’re about to have your backside violated and your wallet stolen and given to someone else “less fortunate” (aka, lazy bums, social justice “students”, etc. )

          • $2346491

            He is talking about people in the developing world. He could care less about spoiled brats whining about student loans.

        • Justin Jurek

          Can you please refer to him by his regnal name?

          • $2346491

            Who cares? He isn’t a medieval monarch and the entire institution needs to be demystified. They should do away with the ridiculous ring kissing as well.

          • BeautifulAmerica

            As a Christian, would you kneel before Jesus and kiss his hand?

      • http://extremesplash.wordpress.com/ Ben Bollman

        He is an outspoken proponent of social justice and progressive ideology, he is by no means a traditionalist: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/mar/15/pope-francis-book-radical-progressive

        • Sons Thunder

          Are you suggesting papal fallibility?

          • http://extremesplash.wordpress.com/ Ben Bollman

            You can be a Christian and not like what the Catholic Church is doing.

          • Sons Thunder

            Agreed. You are criticizing the pope. Are you Catholic?

          • http://extremesplash.wordpress.com/ Ben Bollman

            Nope, I am Christian.

          • Chrissy the Hyphenated

            Make that “Non-Catholic Christian” or “Protestant” or whatever denomination you prefer. “I’m not Catholic, I’m Christian” suggests Catholics are not Christians, which is no more true than any other denominational slur you care to throw around.

          • http://extremesplash.wordpress.com/ Ben Bollman

            No, it suggests that you read too much into my comment. Please inform me of the slur I used. I have nothing against Catholics but I don’t think your church leaders have your best interests especially as a conservative and the sooner you realize it the more of a chance that you and others like you can try to change it. Being purposefully ignorant of it does nobody any good.

          • Catholic Commenter

            “The Pope has the duty, in Christ’s name, to remind the rich to help the poor, to respect them, to promote them,” Pope Francis said in a May 16 speech to a group of ambassadors. “The Pope appeals for disinterested solidarity and for a return to person-centred ethics in the world of finance and economics.”

            What is wrong with this? Jesus loved the rich the exact. same. way. (Mark 10: 21)

            -Catholic Commenter

          • http://extremesplash.wordpress.com/ Ben Bollman

            My problem is that his version of ‘helping people’ is socialism. He is specifically targeting the wealthy for not doing enough(although the wealthy are the largest givers to charity and largest creators of jobs) instead of laying any responsibility whatsoever on the poor for their own situation. Also talk of ‘solidarity’ smacks of socialism.

          • Catholic Commenter

            He is not a socialist. Socialists put the community before the individual. The Pope appeals for a return to person-centered ethics.
            Each person is called to live an ethical life, giving from his abundance to the poor. The poor widow was not told to put her pennies back. She was commended for giving more than required. That is what Christ taught.
            The rich man had only one more thing to do to live as he was called to do: sell everything and give it to the poor and follow Christ.
            It is a TOUGH message from Jesus. The Pope is sharing it, as is his mission as a Christian! The rich have a right to hear the Gospel. All of it! The Pope is preaching to a world of individuals and reminding us that we must not forget our poor brothers, we must put human dignity before profits. That means individuals who make business decisions must do so with respect for the dignity of their workers…often in developing countries.
            That isn’t a socialist message. It is a Christian message.

          • BeautifulAmerica

            Having lived thru it, I know that’s all BS and being used by unethical people to push the One-World agenda.

          • Catholic Commenter

            Well, that may be. Not his fault at all. He may also be able to share the Good News with faithless people because he appeals to them. Trust God.

            Whose idea is this: “From each according to his ability, to each according to his need?”
            It is a corruption of what is found in Acts 11:29. Should that be taken out of the Bible because Marx used it as a slogan? No! It is exactly what we are called to do of our own free will as Christians. That is the Pope’s message: give to the poor, conduct your business with the betterment of people in mind.
            There are wonderful wealthy people who give and give. There are many who do not. The Pope is trying to reach those who do not. He is urging us to remain Christians in our labors, in our business decisions. He is not saying we should have a socialist economy!

          • BeautifulAmerica

            Would Jesus dither over the words? You are either For him or Against him. His statement.

          • Catholic Commenter

            Good point. The Pope is for Jesus. (Me too!)

          • BeautifulAmerica

            I am, absolutely! The church has long since been corrupted.

    • stuckinIL4now

      What do non-believing atheist libturds who have no god (except maybe Obamuh) need a pope for?

      • http://extremesplash.wordpress.com/ Ben Bollman

        Well unfortunately there are some Christians that have deluded themselves into thinking that Jesus was a liberal and blatantly ignore the fact Jesus believed in personal responsibility and free will and not collective salvation and good works through government. It isn’t as bad here(although it is getting worse) as it is in Europe where a lot of people even in the Vatican believe this stuff. These are the people who caved to criticism by the liberal press and made a progressive into the Pope.

        • BeautifulAmerica

          Wow, Ben. When are you going to get your own column somewhere? Erudite and informed.

    • Stone Bryson

      I hate to agree with you because… well, it’s you. 😀 Just kidding, of course.

      Seriously though, you are 100% correct. I noted it in my Twitter feed around the time of his coronation, warned my fellow libertarians and my conservative friends… I’ve seen nothing since then that suggests we are wrong.

      • http://extremesplash.wordpress.com/ Ben Bollman

        I don’t get the denial by Catholic conservatives either, he is out there proudly proclaiming he is a progressive. It isn’t stuff being whispered in the dark corners of the Vatican, he is saying this stuff in interviews and there are tons of articles written about his progressivism that tell his story in his own words even. To deny that he is progressive is pure ignorance.

        • BeautifulAmerica

          Denial is the middle name of Dimnocrat non-thinkers. One must be in denial, and uneducated about the true meaning of words, in order to accept that tyrranous philosophy, based on shallow thinking and deceit.

  • http://www.vatican.va/ Rulz

    Before anyone gets too excited, it could be an effort to reach out more to GLBTQ folks in ministry.

    • HWarrior13

      You wrote that like it’s a good thing?
      Please advise.

      Thanks

    • BeautifulAmerica

      That is being used to further the one-world agenda.

  • Chrissy the Hyphenated

    Well, Body of Proof is off my Netflix queue.

  • Bathing Suit Area

    You want people kissing your butthole? That sounds kinda gay to me.