Horrific machete attack in #Woolwich: British officials call it terrorism; bloodied man swears by Allah, ‘we will never stop fighting you’ [pics, audio, video]

A nightmarish scene in southeast London today. A soldier was beheaded in broad daylight by men wielding swords and knives. Two other men were hurt.

Yes, it’s jihad.

Local MP Nick Raynsford said he had been told the man attacked in the street was a soldier serving at the Royal Artillery Barracks near the attack.

Mr Raynsford said the soldier had been returning to the barracks after a day out when he was attacked.

London Ambulance Service said one man, believed to be the victim of the machete attack, had died in the incident and two others were injured, one seriously.

The BBC reported sources had told them the men were shouting “Allahu Akbar” as they carried out the attack and had filmed carrying it out.

One witness, called James, told LBC radio: “We saw clearly two knives, meat cleavers, they were big kitchen knives like you would use in a butcher’s, they were hacking at this poor guy, we thought they were trying to remove organs from him.”

Bone-chilling photos, video, and audio are streaming in through social media:

Brits are shocked and outraged.

Twitchy will continue to monitor and update.

Update: Good heavens.

Update: Here’s the ITV video clip.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=EROXP8JDG9M

Editor’s note: The title has been edited to correct the spelling of “Woolwich.” (Thanks to reader @einfal)

  • Devon Dibley

    German tanks roll across border with Poland… but let’s not jump to any conclusions.

    • detroit19

      Apologies…

      • TocksNedlog

        Perhaps you need to appreciate sarcasm.

        • detroit19

          I get fired up over the political correctness that ‘blinds’ so many .

  • Lexikin

    “We swear by almighty Allah we will never stop fighting you”

    Remember folks, don’t jump to any conclusions! This very well could be a white republican! lol #LiberalLogic

    • TocksNedlog

      Bush made him say that.

    • tjp77

      He probably saw a really offensive YouTube video and couldn’t control himself.

  • http://twitter.com/thetugboatphil TugboatPhil

    Can we stop pretending that such a thing exists as a “moderate” Muslim.

    • MurphTacular

      And ignore the more than one billion peace-loving Muslims who live in the world? Why would we ignore THAT reality? B/c blind hatred of a foreign religion is more tempting?

      • sigh

        Either you believe in the literal Koran or you are an apostate according to Islamic scholars. Which side do you think the 1 billion will be on when their heads are on the line? Study the actual religious texts, fool.

        • Clayton B

          . . . I believe your statement should read . . . “Which side do you think the 1 billion will be on when -your- heads are on the line?” . . .

          • MurphTacular

            Take this quote for example, something that twitchy.com somehow hasn’t found room for yet.
            20.20 The Muslim Council of Britain have released a statement which said it understood the victim was a member of the Armed Forces, and calling for communities to come together.
            The statement said: “This is a truly barbaric act that has no basis in Islam and we condemn this unreservedly.
            “Our thoughts are with the victim and his family.
            “We understand the victim is a serving member of the Armed Forces. Muslims have long served in this country’s Armed Forces, proudly and with honour.
            “This attack on a member of the Armed Forces is dishonourable, and no cause justifies this murder. This action will no doubt heighten tensions on the streets of the United Kingdom.
            “We call on all our communities, Muslim and non-Muslim, to come together in solidarity to ensure the forces of hatred do not prevail.” – from the Telegraph.

          • grais

            They need to get out in the streets with bullhorns, all of them, every day, if they want to change minds. They have to start policing themselves, and turning the nutjobs in. It’s not fair, I guess, but it’s what they’ll have to do if they hope to convince people.

          • http://twitter.com/thetugboatphil TugboatPhil

            “Taqiyya” encourages Muslims to lie to infidels in order to deceive them in the furtherance of their goals.

            And the only true goal of a Muslim is to kill Infidels and Apostates.

          • MurphTacular

            “only true goal”?? LOL. Where’d you get that fiction?

          • sigh

            Because there can be no peace until the entire world is under Dar al Islam. You wouldn’t be asking these silly questions if you read the source material. You’re either in Dar al Islam or Dar al Harb.

          • IBelieveMyEyes

            Oh yes, members of the “Religion of Peace” are at it again, slaughtering innocent people. But idiots like MurphTacular rush in to implore us to believe what they SAY instead of what they DO.
            Just like Obama “believes in” an impartial IRS and “believes in” freedom of the press, while his IR SS persecutes Conservatives, and his DOJ wiretaps the press.
            Hey MurphTacular, take a Bible into a Mosque and start reading it some day. Let me know how those millions of peaceful Muslims react.

          • MurphTacular

            That would have to be a big Mosque for “millions of peaceful Muslims” to be in there.

          • IBelieveMyEyes

            Ouch, you really got me there Murph!
            Let us know when you try my experiment so you can prove your theory about the peacefulness and reasonableness of the Muslims. Or you can just shut up.

          • MurphTacular

            Or I can choose to not disrespect a religion for no good reason and keep making my point. Hmm … I’ll choose THAT option.

          • Ronald Green

            Chicken.

          • John (it true me am)

            People disrespect Christianity for things that happened centuries ago all the time, how is calling out Islam on things happening today “no good reason” exactly?

            I hold no man or woman accountable for the actions of others, religion or not, however they are most certainly responsible for their own actions in not standing up against it more forcefully in their communities(see: recent history of Malmo in Sweden, election of Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, etc.). Standing by and doing nothing or offering a token condemnation without attempt at real change are themselves choices that the “moderate Muslims” have to take responsibility for. Just as Christians had to shun and overcome those who committed atrocities such as, say, witch hunts.

            “Moderate Muslims” are no different than the “Good Germans” who stood by while their neighbors were forced onto trains.

          • CBMcI

            He didn’t say that the millions were IN the Mosque. He asked you to let him know “how those millions of peaceful Muslims react” to a hypothetical future event. Word travels fast these days, Murph. You know, like how an obscure video that had hardly been viewed caused the Benghazi “violent protest”. You no doubt believed that nonsense, yet you couldn’t grasp how someone without firsthand knowledge might hear about another incident?

          • CBMcI

            He didn’t say that the millions were IN the Mosque. He asked you to let him know “how those millions of peaceful Muslims react” to a hypothetical future event. Word travels fast these days, Murph. You know, like how an obscure video that had hardly been viewed caused the Benghazi “violent protest”. You no doubt believed that nonsense, yet you couldn’t grasp how someone without firsthand knowledge might hear about another incident?

          • tjp77

            Words. Just words. What do they actually do IN PRACTICE to control and eliminate the radical elements within their faith, and support their country? What do they do to help assimilate the Islamic population into mainstream British society?

            Nothing. They fight for speech codes, blasphemy laws and religious courts. We’re supposed to forget that just because they release what is probably the easiest PR statement anyone has ever had to write?

          • MurphTacular

            Then take into consideration the daily, peaceful non-aggressive actions of millions of Muslims every day, not just the outrageous, violent acts by a few. And count how many people have been killed by terrorists since 9/11. Then notice the vast majority – regardless of their religion – did so to advance nationality issues, not their religious beliefs.

          • Frustrated Teacher

            How about over 20,000 terrorist attacks just since 9/11. Over 1000 people killed in 200 Jihad attacks world-wide just in the month of April. If I conceded that the majority of Muslims are not violent, would you at least concede that this is a religion that has has MAJOR problems and causes most if not all of the terrorism in the world? When you talk about nationality issues you are splitting hairs since many Muslims associate their nationality with their religion and use that as an excuse for violence against others. You could spend your whole life respecting Islam and their radicals would STILL want to kill you for not converting.

          • Wootsauce

            You do know it’s ok for a Muslim to lie to further the cause right? It’s in the Koran.

      • Saar

        Is it lonely up there on your blissfully ignorant high horse?

        • MurphTacular

          I read a constant stream of books about Islam lately. I may be blissful and would love to be on horseback, but I deny the ignorance claim, thank you very much.

          • TocksNedlog

            Once gravity takes hold, your constant stream will land in the toilet bowl of reality.

          • MurphTacular

            That barely makes sense. But thanks for proving yet again how difficult it can be to write humor.

          • TocksNedlog

            I’m slamming you for your implied assertion that textbook-like study dismisses real-world observations.

          • MurphTacular

            Actually, I pay attention to both things: studied analysis and events on the ground. Thanks for giving me the chance to clarify that.

          • Saar

            By your logic (ignorant as it may be) – when i studied criminal law and statistic’s i noticed that the majority of crimes are committed on people of the same color as the perpetrator, and murder’s are most likely to be of the same race. But the new’s and you sheeple to the left would like me and others to believe that there is massive racism and if given the chance we love to lynch one another. Right? Your book’s are skewed, so is your bias,- wake up and smell the impending war. On second thought- stay knelt and await your judgement by sharia, (beheading most likely).

          • MurphTacular

            But, at least I can correctly use an apostrophe.

          • mike_in_kosovo

            When you can’t rebut the argument, try to poke holes in the spelling or grammar.

          • MurphTacular

            LOL. I DID rebut the argument – in about 10 other places. And when someone uses an apostrophe to spell the word ‘news,’ that’s hard to overlook. Yikes!

          • mike_in_kosovo

            LOL. I DID rebut the argument – in about 10 other places.

            Sorry to burst your bubble, but saying “that’s not real Islam” isn’t a rebuttal, Murph.

          • mike_in_kosovo

            When you can’t rebut the argument, try to poke holes in the spelling or grammar.

      • Clayton Grant

        They are none so blind as those who will not see.

        • MurphTacular

          So, let’s “see” then the ongoing tensions that create this vacuum that insanity finds its way into. It’s not true Islam that causes this.

          • TocksNedlog

            Congratulations! You have successfully coined a new term:
            Spontaneous Muslim Combustion.

          • http://twitter.com/thetugboatphil TugboatPhil

            I encourage SMC!

          • Clayton Grant

            That’s brilliant, because factions of all the other world’s religions are chopping people’s heads or blowing off limbs in the name of their God!
            .
            You have it all figured out!

          • MurphTacular

            That’s maybe not true of ALL religions. I can’t even name every religion, but that’s OK I doubt anyone here can either. But yes, Christians, Buddhists and Hindus are all engaged in horrific acts in the name of God. Sad, but true.

          • truckee22

            “Are” engaged in horrific acts? I think “were” would be more appropriate.
            I cant remember the last Christian, Buddhist or Hindu terrorist, who killed in the name of their religion. Perhaps you can enlighten us?

          • MurphTacular

            Again, READ the other posts: Short version: Buddhists in Burma, Christians in West Africa AND East Africa.

          • Wakeupudoofus

            Muslims are ordered by allah through muhammed to kill. It is an important part of their religion. A muslim might decide not to kill (and muhammed concedes that muslims may not want to), but not killing makes them “bad muslims”. If you kill as a buddhist or christian, other than self-defense, you are a “bad” buddhist or christian, who are both ordered by their religions NOT to kill unbelievers or apostates. Islam commands the killing of both unbelievers and apostates.

          • Wakeupudoofus

            Murph, the problem is, it IS *true* Islam that causes this. As a muslim, either you believe in the literal koran or you are an apostate. Muslims are ordered by allah through muhammed to kill non muslims esp those who reject islam (even though ole moe concedes muslims may not want to do it). You aren’t a “good” muslim unless you are willing to do this. It is the main reason why islam is completely different from every other “religion” on earth.

          • MurphTacular

            Most religions are ‘completely different’ from one another. LOL. Or do you often mistake Buddhists for Mormons or Episcopalians for Animists?

          • Wakeupudoofus

            No other religion commands its believers to kill unbelievers as part of being a good believer, only islam.

      • robcrawford2

        Those peace-loving Muslims have had 1300 years to reign in their more intemperate fellows.

        I, for one, have run out of patience.

        • MurphTacular

          Let’s look at what Christianity was doing when it was 1,300 years old for comparison’s sake: Oh yeah, fighting the Crusades, teaching no one but Church officials how to read and denying women the priesthood. Feel better, now?

          • grais

            You think Catholics would get away with the Inquisition nowadays?

          • MurphTacular

            One would hope not.

          • TocksNedlog

            You should title your memoir,
            “The Irony and the Ignorance”.

          • MurphTacular

            Ignorant of what? Blind hatred of different religions?

          • NRPax

            Small difference: Christianity went through its enlightenment. Get back to me when Presbyterians are hacking the heads off of soldiers or Baptists are engaging in suicide bombings.

          • MurphTacular

            Those sects all come much later after the Reformation. It’s not an apt comparison.

          • NRPax

            Fire up the goal posts and go another ten yards. So noted.

          • Clayton Grant

            Yet you are citing the Crusades for comparison. This isn’t 700 years ago. Quit moving the goal post.

          • MurphTacular

            The only reason I mention the Crusades at all – which everyone here LOATHES being reminded of for some reason – is that they transpired at roughly the same point on the timeline that Islam is in its development. But, look elsewhere in this thread for CURRENT examples of Christian and Buddhist atrocities being committed against Muslims, FYI.

          • truckee22

            So we should just be patient with young Islam and wait for it to grow out of its “wild days”?

          • MurphTacular

            Or not condemn another religion’s turmoil … You know that whole “glass house/throwing stones” argument …

          • truckee22

            When the Muslims stop killing non Muslims, I think the world will stop caring about their turmoil.

          • Clayton Grant

            Or Muslim attrocities in Kashmir, the Taliban, Hamas, Sunnis hate Shi’ites, Shi’ites hate Sunnies, and they all shuffle in euphoria around a meteorite in Mecca.
            FACT: The Quran does say: “fight and slay the pagans (or infidels or unbelievers) wherever you find them” (9:5)
            FACT: Too many Imams teach this in their version of Islam.
            FACT: Too few Muslims speak out against this version of their religion.
            FACT: Not all Muslims are terrorists, but the vast majority of terrorists are Muslim.
            .
            We’re done here.

          • MurphTacular

            LOL. Take your ball and go home, much?

          • mike_in_kosovo

            LOL. Take your ball and go home, much?

            No need – that was the sound of your argument not only being shredded, but incinerated.

          • MurphTacular

            And now, you’re the ‘scorekeeper’ in these parts? Oh boy … :>

          • mike_in_kosovo

            No need to keep score…that evisceration was obvious to EVERYONE.

          • detroit19

            Or the current examples of Muslim atrocities being committed against Coptic Christians in Egypt.

            http://articles.latimes.com/2013/apr/12/world/la-fg-egypt-worried-copts-20130413

          • detroit19

            Or the current examples of Muslim atrocities being committed against Coptic Christians in Egypt.

            http://articles.latimes.com/2013/apr/12/world/la-fg-egypt-worried-copts-20130413

          • mike_in_kosovo

            But, look elsewhere in this thread for CURRENT examples of Christian and
            Buddhist atrocities being committed against Muslims, FYI.

            So, you’ve got examples of the Christians and Buddhists beheading Muslims and forcing them to convert or die?

          • MurphTacular

            Not beheading specifically, but I’ve got indiscriminate stadium shootings from 2009. (Not very Christian, I would have thought) and random house-burnings to boot. Thanks Burma!

          • mike_in_kosovo

            Not beheading specifically, but I’ve got indiscriminate stadium shootings from 2009.

            Got a link for that? Googling “Burma stadium shooting 2009” doesn’t bring anything up except in Guinea.

            (Not very Christian, I would have thought)

            You don’t think – that’s why your mention “not very Christian” when talking about Buddhists.

            and random house-burnings to boot. Thanks Burma!

            Numbers? And how many atrocities on the flip side from the Muslims?

            Tra-la-la-la-la-laaaaaa….Murph’s Muslim Apology Tour…

          • MurphTacular

            The stadium incident was in Guinea – for some reason the book I’m reading describes this country as “The Gambia,” but … anyway, here you go. Back with the Buddhists in a bit:
            http://www.hrw.org/news/2009/10/27/guinea-september-28-massacre-was-premeditated

          • mike_in_kosovo

            The stadium incident was in Guinea

            Well, you were only off by 7000 miles, and the fact that the Guinea protest was about the junta gov’t that had just taken over and not about religion.

            Back to you for the next attempt to obfuscate.

          • MurphTacular

            Nope. I just need to find an article that more clearly explains it. Here’s the short version: Everyone in the stadium was Muslim. The soldiers or ‘junta’ as you call them? Christians – and they make up 10 percent of that country’s population, while Muslims compose the other 90 percent.

          • mike_in_kosovo

            Everyone in the stadium was Muslim

            Yeah, I’m gonna need you to supply some proof of that.

            The soldiers or ‘junta’ as you call them? Christians – and they make up 10 percent of that country’s population, while Muslims compose the other 90 percent.

            Gonna need proof of that, as well…and you believe this is relevant, or proof of religious persecution by the soldiers, how?

            From Wiki: “The opponents had decided to stage a demonstration on 28 September against the likely participation of Camara in the next presidential election, and despite the government’s ban on protests, they decided to carry on with their scheduled protest”

          • MurphTacular

            And I never confused Guinea/Gambia with Burma, it’s just weird how I wrote that: Here’s the Burma story:

            http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/burmas-monks-call-for-muslim-community-to-be-shunned-7973317.html

          • mike_in_kosovo

            And I never confused Guinea/Gambia with Burma

            Guinea was never mentioned, only Burma. Maybe you should be more clear in your postings.

            Here’s the Burma story

            Hmmm….nothing about shootings or ‘random burnings’ in that story, either… and how *terrible* of the Burmese to shun the Muslims. That’s *certainly* worse than killing them like the Religion of Peace® does.

          • John (it true me am)

            You’re right. Shootings aren’t very Christian. … The thing is that beheading ARE very Muslim. That’s the point.

          • mike_in_kosovo

            But, look elsewhere in this thread for CURRENT examples of Christian and
            Buddhist atrocities being committed against Muslims, FYI.

            So, you’ve got examples of the Christians and Buddhists beheading Muslims and forcing them to convert or die?

          • John (it true me am)

            Big difference you neglect. The crusades and institutional corruption(Roman > Byzantine > HRE > etc. political machine) ran counter to the very core of Jesus’s teaching. Wicked men twisted words and offered salvation where there was none. No one is twisting the words of Mohammed, they are taking them quite literally.

          • MurphTacular

            Except for where the Quran expressly forbids terrorism and Muhammed says education is more valuable than revenge. Many seem to not be getting those points. And keep in mind, the “Osama view” of Islam has been rebuked repeatedly by many as a misinterpretation.

          • John (it true me am)

            See, this is the problem with the apologist lines. You talk about how it forbids “terrorism”, but ignore the qualifying factors it puts upon it. You cherry pick the “forgive” line while ignoring the “except for” line right next to it. Most importantly that all the rules go out the window when certain “conditions” are met, and virtually the entire world meets those criteria! We are infidels and aggressors no matter what we do, often simply for existing, by the definition of the Quran which in turn allows them to wage every act of Jihad they feel like against the rest of the world.

            [17:16] If we are to annihilate any community, we let the leaders commit vast corruption therein. Once they deserve retribution, we annihilate it completely.

            You can’t read from the set of “rules” they put forth for themselves and apply it to the rest of the world in their defense when they clearly have proven they don’t thsemselves.

          • CBMcI

            Oh, MurphTacular, you’re saying that given enough time, these Muslims who NOW behead people and encourage suicide bombings will have descendants who will have phased those parts out? You act as if we are currently living in two alternate realities – one for whacked out Islamists, and the one in which the rest of us live. THESE PEOPLE ARE LIVING AMONGST US HERE AND NOW and you think that being patient and waiting on them to evolve into more peaceful “sects” makes sense? Wouldn’t you think it was ridiculous if they lived as if they had never heard about cars, cell phones, etc.? What excuse do they have for not joining the rest of us and living as non-barbarians? Oh, wait. They DO live as non-barbarians — right up to the point that they fly planes into buildings, bomb trains, bomb stores, shoot fellow soldiers on military bases, bomb marathons, behead people in the street… and keep people like you fooled.

          • CBMcI

            Oh, MurphTacular, you’re saying that given enough time, these Muslims who NOW behead people and encourage suicide bombings will have descendants who will have phased those parts out? You act as if we are currently living in two alternate realities – one for whacked out Islamists, and the one in which the rest of us live. THESE PEOPLE ARE LIVING AMONGST US HERE AND NOW and you think that being patient and waiting on them to evolve into more peaceful “sects” makes sense? Wouldn’t you think it was ridiculous if they lived as if they had never heard about cars, cell phones, etc.? What excuse do they have for not joining the rest of us and living as non-barbarians? Oh, wait. They DO live as non-barbarians — right up to the point that they fly planes into buildings, bomb trains, bomb stores, shoot fellow soldiers on military bases, bomb marathons, behead people in the street… and keep people like you fooled.

          • detroit19

            The Crusades were “conducted between the 11th and 16th centuries predominantly, but not exclusively against Muslims in the near east but also against pagans, heretics, and peoples under the ban of excommunication for a mixture of religious, economic, and political reasons.” 313-813 years ago is pertinent today because? Most of the world, and its religions, have been/become civilized with the progression of humanity, and as for the Catholic Church denying women the priesthood, priests are the representatives of Jesus Christ, they act ‘in persona Christi Capitis’, in the person of Christ, the Head of His Body, the Church. His…not his or hers.

          • truckee22

            The difference between Islam and the other major religions is that Islam is the only one that hasn’t stopped killing in the name of advancing their religion. Trying to equate the past abuses with ones happening today ignores that fact.

          • mike_in_kosovo

            Makes a *great* excuse for apologists, though, just like a battered wife.

            “Look what Christians made the Muslims do!”

          • mike_in_kosovo

            Makes a *great* excuse for apologists, though, just like a battered wife.

            “Look what Christians made the Muslims do!”

          • MurphTacular

            But again, Christians are STILL persecuting Muslims and just b/c you guys think it’s a fine idea, a lot of Muslims don’t like the random bombings of tribal leaders in Waziristan that target “Terrorists.”

          • truckee22

            On what planet are Christian’s persecuting Muslims?

          • MurphTacular

            Why this one, of course. Guinea, Kenya and Somalia and formerly in Serbia/Kosovo.

          • truckee22

            Serbia would be the only example I would agree with you on, the rest are more tribal based than religious based. Poor examples that you are using to try and equate the violence of Islam with the supposed violence of the other major religions.

          • mike_in_kosovo

            And 1300 years later, ISLAM is *STILL* acting the same way as they did then.

            Planning on coming off the apology tour anytime soon?

          • mike_in_kosovo

            And 1300 years later, ISLAM is *STILL* acting the same way as they did then.

            Planning on coming off the apology tour anytime soon?

          • Wakeupudoofus

            You know the crusades were fought to drive out the murderous hordes of invading muslims, right?

          • MurphTacular

            The Muslims invaded their own homeland? That’s rich. Why do you think Jerusalem is the third holiest site in Islam?

          • Spinmamma

            You do know that Islam is hundreds of years younger than Christianity, right? The Christians and Jews were in Palestine long before the invading Muslims, and the invading Arab Muslims destroyed or took over many of the Christians’ most holy places. Taking back those places was the original impetus for the Crusades. In Egypt today, the Arab descendants of the invaders are destroying the Egyptian Coptic Christians, whose ancestors were in Egypt long before the Muslims. And before you imagine I am something I am not, I have read several different translations of the Quran, and at one time had a great deal to do with a sect of Islam that is truly peaceful–the Ahmadis, who are now ruthlessly hunted down and murdered by their fellow “peaceful” Muslims. Since the Wahhabi philosophy has taken hold, it has become the dominant force in Islam by virtue of its very ruthlessness.

      • ceemack

        What if they don’t all LOVE peace? What if many of them just sort of like it?

        • MurphTacular

          Worth noting: This comment is actually quite humorous. :>

      • grais

        They’d do a lot of good for themselves if they’d make very loud and very frequent denunciations, worldwide, of these atrocities. If there are in fact, more than a billion of them, why do we hear so little from them?

        • MurphTacular

          See this quote: 20.20 The Muslim Council of Britain have released a statement which said it understood the victim was a member of the Armed Forces, and calling for communities to come together.
          The statement said: “This is a truly barbaric act that has no basis in Islam and we condemn this unreservedly.
          “Our thoughts are with the victim and his family.
          “We understand the victim is a serving member of the Armed Forces. Muslims have long served in this country’s Armed Forces, proudly and with honour.
          “This attack on a member of the Armed Forces is dishonourable, and no cause justifies this murder. This action will no doubt heighten tensions on the streets of the United Kingdom.
          “We call on all our communities, Muslim and non-Muslim, to come together in solidarity to ensure the forces of hatred do not prevail.”

          • grais

            I already did, and I commented.

          • Ronald Green

            As they should and there needs to be a lot more of this and all of it much louder.

      • TocksNedlog

        ‘foreign’ to whom?

        • MurphTacular

          Come to think of it, all religions practiced in North America are “foreign” save for the faiths being practiced here by the Native Americans in the 15th century. Good point!

          • NRPax

            And said Native Americans came here from Siberia.

          • http://twitter.com/thetugboatphil TugboatPhil

            An even better point!!

          • MurphTacular

            So, OK, ALL religions in North American were foreign at one point. Happy, now?

          • TocksNedlog

            Not really, since you’re still trying to make the point that American whitey hates Muslims for the same reason that he hates blacks and Hispanics and everybody else —
            cuz they’re different; cuz they’re ‘the other’.

          • MurphTacular

            Not once did I bring blacks or Hispanics into this. Nor have I inferred Americans hate Muslims b/c they’re the ‘other.’ I believe many people ‘hate’ Muslims b/c they’re continually misinformed about the religion and its true followers.

          • redheadgrl

            Just as the Muslims hate non-Muslims – they are continually misinformed intentionally by their imams about the “Great Satan”. And have been for generations.

          • MurphTacular

            Muslims do not hate non-Muslims. Where’s you get that laughable idea?

          • redheadgrl

            Yeah, it’s laughable when muslims fly airplanes into buildings, kill americans, and then muslims around the world celebrate and dance in the streets.
            Actually, you are the one that is laughable, muslims hate other muslims from other sects of their own religion – ie. suni vs shi’a

          • MurphTacular

            No one laughs about any of the atrocities you listed, but focus on the facts. Islam expressly forbids terrorism. You have to study the tribal cultures of societies that accepted Islam later. The 9-11 attacks were largely perpetrated by Azirs, a Yemeni tribe. And some of the hijackers weren’t even very religious.

          • redheadgrl

            Too bad they commit terrorist acts in the name of Allah. Kinda gives the impression they are doing it for their religion, and that they hate those that do not believe the same as they do (or follow the same sect of islam). Oh – and doing it in the name of Allah, while shouting allah hu ackbar (sp) kinda lends to the thinking that they were taught that their religion DOES condone terrorism.

          • MurphTacular

            Except for the huge, massive majority of Muslims who aren’t committing atrocities, but you don’t seem to consider them as Muslims, for some reason.

          • redheadgrl

            Too bad they commit terrorist acts in the name of Allah. Kinda gives the impression they are doing it for their religion, and that they hate those that do not believe the same as they do (or follow the same sect of islam). Oh – and doing it in the name of Allah, while shouting allah hu ackbar (sp) kinda lends to the thinking that they were taught that their religion DOES condone terrorism.

          • MurphTacular

            No one laughs about any of the atrocities you listed, but focus on the facts. Islam expressly forbids terrorism. You have to study the tribal cultures of societies that accepted Islam later. The 9-11 attacks were largely perpetrated by Azirs, a Yemeni tribe. And some of the hijackers weren’t even very religious.

          • redheadgrl

            Just as the Muslims hate non-Muslims – they are continually misinformed intentionally by their imams about the “Great Satan”. And have been for generations.

          • Ronald Green

            So are theirs, the term ‘native’ is used loosely as they originated in Siberia and migrated here during the last ice age.

      • http://twitter.com/thetugboatphil TugboatPhil

        I didn’t mention hate at all. You don’t have to be “blinded by hatred” to SEE that Muslims are savage people who are told in the Koran to lie if it furthers their goals, and to kill infidels and apostates.

        http://thereligionofpeace.com/

        • MurphTacular

          I maintain these guys aren’t true Muslims. They’re misinformed. Find out for yourself. Talk to a muslim sometime instead of going to a website about Islam written by Christians.

          • TocksNedlog

            How many hate-preaching Imams are ‘not true Muslims’? Whether they adhere to the true faith or not, what is undeniable is that there are a lot of them out there.

          • NRPax

            You point out that Islam doesn’t have one unifying voice, so how can you claim that these terrorists aren’t true Muslims? After all, they are practicing their beliefs the way they see fit.

          • MurphTacular

            The lack of agreement on what the religion says and what the Prophet is indeed a long-running. But of course, Christians NEVER had that problem. LOL. They just banned an armload of books circa 300 A.D. and said forget about ’em. Durn those troublesome Gnostic Gospels …

          • NRPax

            How cute. Your justification for a Muslim committing murder is “Christians did the exact same thing centuries ago!”

            I break out two specific branches of Christianity as comparison and your argument is “but those sects are recently introduced!’

            Make sure you use 10W40 on the goal posts. Works better in the long run.

          • Wakeupudoofus

            How about you talking to a muslim who left islam? Incidently, doing that is a good way to get your head chopped off. It is a good reason to use an assumed name on line and not let people know that you left Islam. I’m talking educated, westernized 2nd and 3rd generation here in the western world, professionals. I’m talking personal knowledge here, Murph, from the *inside* of Islam. You need to broaden your reading base and make some new acquaintances.

    • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeBeq0i03bg Booker

      Why aren’t there moderate Buddhists? Moderate Hindus? Or Moderate Bahai? We now know the reason. I hope the West wakes up before it is too late. Freedom is not free. It needs to be maintained and fought for.

      • ceemack

        You know, you hardly ever see Ba’hais carrying out machete attacks.

        • NRPax

          I remember some Methodists that were about to but they realized that there wasn’t going to be a potluck afterwards. The Mormons were going to do suicide bombings, but balancing explosives on bicycles turned out to be tricky.

          And the Unitarians? They just burn questions marks on your front lawn.

      • detroit19

        I pray to a Christian God that you are right without asking Him for the annihilation of anyone who doesn’t believe what I believe.

        • MurphTacular

          Can you retype this sentence? It makes no sense as currently constructed.

    • angelaisms

      Dr. Zuhdi Jasser would disagree with you. Stop giving the Left ammo.

      • Ronald Green

        First tweet? What closet did you jump out of and why, I wonder?

        • angelaisms

          My tweets have been featured in articles on this site, Captain Observant. Take off your damn tin foil hat.

          • Ronald Green

            Don’t have one to take off, so get off your high horse.

          • angelaisms

            I suggest the OP’s absolutism harms more than helps; you in turn insinuate I’m some sort of plant or spy, and when I defend myself by calling out your paranoia, I’m on a “high horse.” This is why we can’t have nice things.

          • Ronald Green

            Nope, not a plant or a spy, just a troll.

  • MurphTacular

    Ah, the Muslim-haters will love this development and (naturally) sensationalized coverage. Sigh. I’d like some context for this story. Who are these suspects? Regardless, there is no global jihad, folks. But, I’m sure many will take exception.

    • RblDiver

      He just murdered someone, what more context do you need?

    • Lexikin

      Only a liberal moron would come here to defend the very people who want to kill the world. You sir, are a special kind of moron.

      • MurphTacular

        What’s moronic about not judging 1.2 billion people who would condemn this outrage, just like you guys are? I don’t condone violence, regardless of who perpetrates it.

        • aegean1

          Where are their condemnations?

          • Ronald Green

            Yeah, all I hear is thunderous silence.

          • MurphTacular

            Condemning who by whom? Do you mean this quote from today’s Telegraph?
            20.20 The Muslim Council of Britain have released a statement which said it understood the victim was a member of the Armed Forces, and calling for communities to come together.
            The statement said: “This is a truly barbaric act that has no basis in Islam and we condemn this unreservedly.
            “Our thoughts are with the victim and his family.
            “We understand the victim is a serving member of the Armed Forces. Muslims have long served in this country’s Armed Forces, proudly and with honour.
            “This attack on a member of the Armed Forces is dishonourable, and no cause justifies this murder. This action will no doubt heighten tensions on the streets of the United Kingdom.
            “We call on all our communities, Muslim and non-Muslim, to come together in solidarity to ensure the forces of hatred do not prevail.”

          • aegean1

            Don’t play dumb. Let’s hear those 1.2 billion people condemn these murderers. Anyone who is silent on this may as well be applauding the act. All those people that stood by and let this man be murdered are complicit in the act.

          • MurphTacular

            Last time I checked, it’s pretty hard to get 1.2 billion people on the record, simultaneously, so I’ll just repost this quote from today’s Telegraph.
            20.20 The Muslim Council of Britain have released a statement which said it understood the victim was a member of the Armed Forces, and calling for communities to come together.
            The statement said: “This is a truly barbaric act that has no basis in Islam and we condemn this unreservedly.
            “Our thoughts are with the victim and his family.
            “We understand the victim is a serving member of the Armed Forces. Muslims have long served in this country’s Armed Forces, proudly and with honour.
            “This attack on a member of the Armed Forces is dishonourable, and no cause justifies this murder. This action will no doubt heighten tensions on the streets of the United Kingdom.
            “We call on all our communities, Muslim and non-Muslim, to come together in solidarity to ensure the forces of hatred do not prevail.”

          • TocksNedlog

            Give MuffTickler this much, an army of straw men 1.2 billion strong IS kinda impressive.

        • TocksNedlog

          Be sure to update us with figures on what percentage of those 1.2 billion actually do condemn it.

          • MurphTacular

            You’ve seen THIS quote, right?
            20.20 The Muslim Council of Britain have released a statement which said it understood the victim was a member of the Armed Forces, and calling for communities to come together.
            The statement said: “This is a truly barbaric act that has no basis in Islam and we condemn this unreservedly.
            “Our thoughts are with the victim and his family.
            “We understand the victim is a serving member of the Armed Forces. Muslims have long served in this country’s Armed Forces, proudly and with honour.
            “This attack on a member of the Armed Forces is dishonourable, and no cause justifies this murder. This action will no doubt heighten tensions on the streets of the United Kingdom.
            “We call on all our communities, Muslim and non-Muslim, to come together in solidarity to ensure the forces of hatred do not prevail.”

          • TocksNedlog

            You know exactly what I am saying. Show evidence that millions of ‘rank and file’ Muslims are condemning this attack.

          • MurphTacular

            Well, I assume the spokesmen are speaking for their fellow Muslims, otherwise, I highly doubt they’d be “spokesmen,” – hence, the name.

          • Spinmamma

            If they are anything like CAIR, most of the peaceful Muslims are afraid of them.

          • TocksNedlog

            Just like G. W. Bush was your spokesman from 2001 to 2008; right?

          • truckee22

            How many times are you going to post that statement?

          • MurphTacular

            Until people in this thread stop asking for evidence of Muslims condemning this attack without having read that quote – you know the one that features Muslims condemning this attack. How come you guys don’t read each other’s posts?? Holy Shee-Bus. You guys all sound about the same anyway, it’s not like you have much to fear. LOL.

          • Spinmamma

            You might want to check this out: MEMRI-TV

    • colchak

      You should really get your facts straight before you comment, re: “there is no global jihad.” It is the stated goal of Islamic extremists (one author I read called them Islamic revolutionaries in the vein that they are waging a religious war), such as al-Qaeda, to wage a global jihad to bring about a worldwide Caliphate. If you’re going to make senseless comments and take exception to people who view this as jihad, then at least don’t be ignorant.

      • MurphTacular

        Islamic extremists are different than rank-and-file Muslims. I’m well aware of the flaws in al-Qaeda’s understanding of the Prophet and his teachings.

        • http://twitter.com/thetugboatphil TugboatPhil

          “Rank and file?” There’s a Muslim Union?

          • TocksNedlog

            In Libby Land there’s ALWAYS a union.

        • colchak

          Than why say there is no global jihad when that’s what these extremists want? I wasn’t lumping in the rank-and-file Muslims with them.

    • SettingAside

      Ah, the Muslim-defenders love defending the murderous Islamic terrorists, pretending there’s no “Global Jihad,” wink wink. . Won’t work anymore. We’re on to you and your ilk.

      • MurphTacular

        I don’t know about having an ‘ilk,’ but anyone who refrains from implicating a worldwide religion based on the actions of a deranged few will receive support from me.

        • TocksNedlog

          You should start an Ilk’s Club.

    • grais

      Prove that “there is no global jihad.”

      • MurphTacular

        Islam has no worldwide leader (no one like a Pope, for example), so it’s pretty hard to imagine a religion that has always quarreled with itself about issues of succession (resulting in Shi’ia vs. Sunni tensions, fivers, 12’ers, etc.) as well as the intent of the Prophet’s teaching to agree on anything completely – much less something as intense as ‘global jihad. Hell, Muslims don’t even agree on what ‘jihad’ means …

        • grais

          Then it would be appropriate to say there are multiple Muslim extremist groups declaring and waging jihad across the globe.
          Don’t get caught up in the words…they’re killing people. period.

          • MurphTacular

            And Christians are killing Muslims in Africa. (See Kenya and Ethiopia) Russians are oppressing Muslims in Chechnya and Dagestan (Before these guys were called terrorists, Americans considered them revolutionaries seeking autonomy) and don’t forget China where the govt. is basically trying to wipe the Uyghurs off the map. And Burman/Myannmar is openly persecuting Muslims. So, there’s that.

          • Ronald Green

            You’re reaching pretty far to justify your silly opinions.

          • MurphTacular

            Just b/c you don’t see these atrocities on FOX News doesn’t mean they’re not happening.

          • http://twitter.com/thetugboatphil TugboatPhil

            You forgot the biggest killers of Muslims…Muslims.

          • TocksNedlog

            And yet ANOTHER strawman is born!
            NOBODY here claimed that these acts which have been reported by reputable news sources have not taken place.

          • grais

            So, then Christians should speak up to denounce it.

          • http://twitter.com/thetugboatphil TugboatPhil

            That’s called “fighting back.”

          • MurphTacular

            Or rather “Muslim oppression.” Read up a bit about this, please. Ninety percent of Guinea’s population is Muslim, 10 percent are Christian, guess who led a military coup to take over and then shot up a stadium full of Muslims?
            http://www.makeeverywomancount.org/index.php?option=com_content&id=2134:the-story-of-fatoumata-barry-the-forgotten-rape-victim-of-the-september-2009-stadium-massacre-in-guinea&Itemid=187

          • truckee22

            “Christians” aren’t killing Muslims in Africa anymore than Muslims are killing Christians in Africa. ANd a lot, if not most, of the violence in Africa is tribal based more than religion based. Russia oppressing Muslims in Chechnya has nothing to do with religion, they’ve been doing for a long time, including when Russia was the USSR and religion had nothing to do with anything. And the Chinese aren’t a bunch Christian supporters so again, your examples don’t prove any equivalency between Islamic terrorism and any other religion.

    • angelaisms

      “Regardless, there is no global jihad, folks.”

      Thank you, Captain Ostrich, for your live update from Head-In-The-Sand. It’s cute how you afford so much more consideration to the animals who beheaded a man this morning than to those who are disgusted and alarmed by it.

      • MurphTacular

        I said nothing about the “animals” (better known as criminal suspects) except I’d like to know more about them. The victims are briefly described, but naturally, I’d like to learn more about them, too.

        • Ronald Green

          No, they’re dead guys now. As they should be.

          • Ronald Green

            Well maybe they aren’t dead guys after all. Seems they were arrested. Too bad.

          • Ronald Green

            Well maybe they aren’t dead guys after all. Seems they were arrested. Too bad.

    • robcrawford2

      “Regardless, there is no global jihad, folks.”

      Tell the Muslims. Heck, tell the Koran.

    • Steve_J

      It’s very difficult to over sensationalize a beheading on a public street.

      • MurphTacular

        But somehow this country’s right-wing media will find a way to do just that. Gotta have faith, bro.

    • 2ifbyT

      I’m sure you’d think differently if it was one of your family members.

      • MurphTacular

        And which victim are you related to?

        • Ronald Green

          That’s not his point moron.

        • 2ifbyT

          None. But I recognize the evil of Islam. Perhaps if you spent time in an Arab country, you might understand. However, that would require you to get out of your ivory tower.

        • 2ifbyT

          None. But I recognize the evil of Islam. Perhaps if you spent time in an Arab country, you might understand. However, that would require you to get out of your ivory tower.

    • VL123

      You are an idiot. It’s useless fools like u that get their heads cut off…b/c you “tolerate” them. WAKE THE F UP!

      • MurphTacular

        Wake up, to what? Blind hatred of a peace-loving religion that people want to define by non-followers who distort its true meaning? I am awake. That’s why I’m here, trying to combat ignorance with facts.

        • VL123

          Blind hatred? No..there’s precedence for Islamic terrorism. And for Islam wanting to rid the world of the infidels dating back to Mohammed himself. You are like a Jim Jones cult member. Go drink that kool aid.. it’s good for u..LOL

          • MurphTacular

            Who said there’s no Islamic terrorism? That’s not my argument. And no, I belong to no cult. And I don’t even like Kool-Aid, FYI.

          • Ronald Green

            And that one went right over your head.

    • TocksNedlog

      And there’s no such thing as voter fraud either.

      • MurphTacular

        Gotta go to work, no time for a radical change of topic at the moment …. Later, folks.

        • TocksNedlog

          Wasn’t radically changing anything.
          Just pointing out the liberal need to declare absolutes in human behavior.

        • TocksNedlog

          Wasn’t radically changing anything.
          Just pointing out the liberal need to declare absolutes in human behavior.

  • RblDiver

    The vid linked in the Twitter feed didn’t work for me, but just going to http://www.itv.com/news/ had it on the page working at the moment.

  • Joel A. Edge

    Nothing to see here. Keep moving.

  • MarcusFenix

    Religion of Peace strikes again.

  • FilleGitane

    More hijinks from the “Religion of Peace.”

    • MurphTacular

      Obviously, these guys are deranged. The Prophet would never condone this, especially if it’s as random as it appears.

      • digitalPimple

        Well then that settles it. MurphTesticle here read some books. Did they have pop outs and connect the dots too or are they just too advanced for your learning level?

        • MurphTacular

          It was written by a Pakistani, so I was just thankful for the translation.

      • Ronald Green

        Random? Who runs around with meat cleavers in their car? This wasn’t random you pin head. The victim may have been chosen randomly but this murder was preplanned and prepared for. Why are you defending this act? And don’t try to claim you’re not. You’re just lying to us as your religion tells you to.

        • MurphTacular

          I’ll have to ask my minister where Methodists are instructed to lie … Thanks for the tip.

          • Ronald Green

            Lying some more? You just said you were non-religious. What’s it gonna be, Non-religious, Methodist, or Muslim?

          • Ronald Green

            Excuse me, I briefly confused you with another. Please go on and continue excusing the barbaric act.

          • MurphTacular

            Where did I say I was non-religious or Muslim? You must have me mixed up some with someone else who’s shredding your arguments.

          • Ronald Green

            Hahahaha… do you really think you’re ‘shredding’ anything?

          • mike_in_kosovo

            You have YOURSELF mixed up with someone who’s shredding arguments.

        • MurphTacular

          I meant ‘random’ in the sense that it seems to have been sparked out of the blue. I’m not defending the act. I’d never defend murder. It’s horrible. The only thing I’m defending is Islam and its true followers who are condemning this attack, just as I am.

      • TocksNedlog

        Yes. By definition, SOLDIERS are targeted at ‘random’.

  • ceemack

    “We swear by almighty Allah we will never stop fighting you.”

    It seems to me that these cowards depend on the decency and forbearance of the very people they wish to destroy.

    If the non-Muslims in Western countries started to fight back in kind, it wouldn’t go so well for the Muslims.

  • Guest

    My condolences to the family of the soldier, but Obama’s DOJ would have labeled this a simple larceny. They were trying to steal his head.

  • Star Gal Shelly Jefcoate

    This is

  • Star Gal Shelly Jefcoate

    This is crazy right on our door step were we work that poor man

  • Bemani Dog

    Uhh… did that one picture show the body of the guy whose head was cut off?

  • Joe W.

    Ever since 9/11/01, I have claimed that there is no such thing as a “peaceful” or “moderate” Muslim. Today’s brutality in Britain further solidifies my position on the matter. If we had any rational thought for our nation’s safety and sovereignty, we would deport each and every Muslim, without regard to their race, OR their claims of a “moderate, peaceful” nature. A snake is a snake, a shark is a shark, and a Muslim is a sick and twisted cult member, bent on global domination and the eradication of us “infidels”. Call me a bigot if you will, but Islam is NOT a religion, it is a cult. An evil cult at that.

    • Adrian Forrest

      I understand your pleas but lets not forget that Christianity has had its fair share of brutality in the past. Lets not pigeon hole every Muslim as a cult member. I am non religious before you flame at me. Please note the attackers today were British! (or at least the one on video that we have all seen and heard from).

      Banning all religion however is probably the way forward.

      • MurphTacular

        Look at Gambia in 2009 for an example of Christians doing things – unprovoked – to Muslims that makes today’s events look mild by comparison.

        • Joe W.

          Look at what, pal?? Killing Muslims? Those folks got it right if that’s what they did in Gambia in 2009. We should do the same.

          • MurphTacular

            Somehow I knew you were unfamiliar with this incident. Muslims were in a stadium calling for elections. (They’re about 90 percent of the country’s population, which is controlled by a Christian military dictatorship.) They locked the gates, fired randomly into the stadium and gang-raped dozens of women. That’s what you want to see here? If so, you’re more hateful than I thought.

          • Joe W.

            In all honesty, I could care less what happens to Muslims. Like cockroaches, as long as they are eradicated, the means is irrelevant. Nor do I care how “hateful” YOU think I am. I didn’t get up this morning worried about what YOU or any other bleeding heart Muzzie lover thinks of me. Are we clear??

          • MurphTacular

            It’s clear you don’t proof read your posts and that you have a heart filled with misguided hate. “Love Thy Neighbor.”

          • Joe W.

            So I made a typo. Big deal, loser. And don’t give me this “love thy neighbor”, crap either. When at war, Christians are allowed to slay the enemy. You are hopeless, Sparky. If you want to stay here and argue all day, do so without me. I’ve said my piece, and you have said yours. You defend the murdering ragheads, and I condemn them. Simple as that. Have a nice day, Habib.

          • MurphTacular

            “murdering ragheads”??? And people wonder why some claim conservatives are hate-filled bigots. I suspect Christ would not look for a reason to “slay” anyone.

          • Joe W.

            Yeah?? Well I am NOT Christ, Zippy. As my avatar says, I am “Joe W.”, and I never looked for a reason to slay Muzzies. They gave me all the reason I needed on 9/11/01. And, as I said in my initial post, y’all can call me a “bigot” all you wish. I don’t give a flying leap at a rolling doughnut. Get off of your moral high-horse, you liberal ass hat. It’s quite unbecoming. And tiresome. As I said, have a nice day, Habib. I’m tiered of toying with you.

        • TocksNedlog

          The ONLY thing you need to compare this incident with is your own sense of morality. It doesn’t matter what someone else did at a different time and place.
          This is, unfortunately, all too typical for someone that lives in that Bob Beckel “you say Obama, I say ‘What about Booooosh?'” world.

      • Ronald Green

        Typical liberal crap. You’ve got to go back a lonnng time to find a time and place where killing in the name of Christianity was thought to be justified. But yeah, we’ll solve the world’s problems by ‘banning’ ideas and beliefs. That’s gonna work real good. I thought you liberals claimed to be tolerant and accepting. These people are willing to kill idiots like you for their religion, how are you going to ‘ban’ that ? Without killing them that is. Mmmmm?

        • MurphTacular

          2009’s a long time ago? (I know it is to Jay Carney, but …) OK, how about Burma and China as we speak? How about Kenya and Ethiopia? (all current situations, FYI)

          • LJB_65

            What are you talking about????? It’s the friggin reverse in Africa. Are you delusional?

            Just enter “Ethiopia Christians murdering Muslims’ into google and what pops up, the exact opposite bozo! Ethiopian Muslims killing Christians. Came with Kenya, Same with Nigeria, Same in Egypt. Same in Mali.

            China does not have the patience for any of their crap and good for them!

          • MurphTacular

            Do some research: In both Ethiopia and Kenya, the Somali tribe is in a country dominated by Christians. They’ve been herded into refugee camps in Kenya and Ethiopia invaded Somalia back in ’06.

          • LJB_65

            Please provide some links to this. What Somali tribe?

            It does, however remind me of Al-Shabab denying famine relief and aid to fellow Muslim Somalians in 2011. Nice bunch
            you support.

            http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-14246764

          • Ronald Green

            Most of the conflicts you mention are ethnic and not religious. Is China Christian, I think not. You want to make excuses for this and piss and moan over unrelated events. Tell me, how was this off duty British soldier involved in any of these conflicts you mention?

          • MurphTacular

            Most Han Chinese are Buddhist and/or Communist. I’m not making excuses for anything. The off-duty British soldier in question wasn’t “involved” in any of these conflicts, obviously. But the UK supported the senseless invasion of Iraq, and the U.S.’s ill-advised drone strikes in Waziristan and Yemen. Not that those actions would justify wanton murder, but if a Muslim wants to be upset with a British soldier, it’s not like he has to invent an affront. The Durand Line leaps to mind.

          • Ronald Green

            Ill advised? Both nation’s governments invited such intervention. Why? Because your much vaunted Muslim extremists are threatening them. You can make up all sorts of irrelevant excuses for them if you wish, but it won’t change what we are up against with them. If you had been there at the wrong movement, it would be you laying on the ground with your head off. They don’t care who you are. You remind me of that American professor who was stabbed in Egypt a couple weeks ago. He hated America and was teaching in one of the local Universities, but he got stabbed buy a Muslim extremist anyway. Why? Because he was an infidel American and for no other reason.

        • Adrian Forrest

          banning religion was said in jest, i just personally believe religion is the cause of all wars, my god is better than your god…its all a joke. Religion is a passed way of life in this modern science world,

          These acts today are disgusting there is no denying that and the murderers should be hung but we scrapped capital punishment along with many other things in favour of human rights!!

          • Joe W.

            Yes, Winston, we are aware that most of you limeys are atheists now. Nor do we really care, either. Fully 70% of Americans claim to be Christians, so take your BS to some place where your views will be more appreciated.

          • Ronald Green

            Wonder how ‘religion played into starting WWI? The American Civil War? just thought I’d throw those two out there as proof you don’t know much about it.

          • TocksNedlog

            Most of history’s wars can be traced to economics, NOT religion, as their primary cause.

          • John Galt

            My God is better than all other gods because He is the only god there is, but he also loves all men and would never ask me to kill one of his children to make him look better.

          • Spinmamma

            You might want to check out MEMRI-TV if you want to know what the British Jihadists think of human rights.

      • Joe W.

        I don’t care WHAT nationality they are. they are Muslims and they are
        all about global dominance. Christian “violence” was centuries ago.
        I’ll not “flame” you over religion, but I will over your naivety. Watch your throat, pal.

        • Adrian Forrest

          Very sad, very very sad. Your naivety has led you to be yet another sheep to the media tools. I’m British, I vote BNP, I treat everyone as individuals not as the same, I have many muslim friends as i do black friends. Pigeon holing people is so easy to do and it seems you have followed the simple route. Keep the conversation sensible, no need for threats.

          • Joe W.

            Who did I threaten, Sir Winston? Certainly not you. When I admonished you to watch your throat, it was because all of those Muslim “friends” of yours will likely one day slit it from ear to ear.

          • Adrian Forrest

            I’ll take that risk but i’ll, touch wood, have more chance of winning the lottery and being hit by a meteor at the same time.

          • Joe W.

            We’ll see, pal. we’ll see…..

          • John Galt

            If you live anywhere in Europe, I would keep looking up while you’re buying those scratch offs.

      • TocksNedlog

        And being British(!) means WHAT?
        Is it like how an Irishman can be a gangster but can never become a ‘made man’?

      • John Galt

        Good tactic…bring up 11-16th century history to condone killing in the name of religion today.

    • MurphTacular

      How many Muslims have you met? Your “viewpoint is” comparable to pretending that every Christian shares the same views as the Rev. Fred Phelps of Westboro Baptist. Islam is every bit the religion that Judaism, Hinduism, Christianity or Buddhism. Just b/c you don’t appreciate the misguided antics of its fringe elements doesn’t make it a cult.

      • Joe W.

        B.S., pal. Read the Koran, you liberal twit. It is a hate filled rag, that teaches the believers to slaughter infidels and deceive people into thinking they are a “religion of peace”. As for meeting Muslims?? No thanks. I wouldn’t get within 10 feet of one without my .357 Mag. You go ahead a cozy up to the vermin. I’ll pass.

        • MurphTacular

          Ever notice the part where the Prophet preaches that education is more valuable than revenge? You must have skipped that page. It’s a shame to see that you’ve got such a closed mind, unlike Jefferson who defined that whole ‘freedom of religion’ concept. Muslims are only 1.2 billion people, getting along with them is a better idea than trying to fight them, one would think.

          • Joe W.

            Be my guest, and YOU try to get along with the vermin maggots. I’ll pass. 1.2 billion you say?? I don’t care if there are 10 billion of them. Like cockroaches, they require extermination. We are at war with these creatures, and we should never forget that. YOU may choose to forgive, forget, and try to make nice, but I never will. I made that pledge on 9/11/01, and nothing has transpired in the elapsed time to give me any reason to change my position. Quite the opposite, son.

          • LJB_65

            Seems like a lot of Mullahs and Imams missed that part too.

          • John Galt

            We tried that. They didn’t want any part of it. On to plan B.

          • Spinmamma

            You are right–there are definitely passages in the Koran that advise peace and other good things. However, there are an equal or greater number of verses that teach the opposite. I recently read an analysis that pointed out that there are essentially two Korans–and they are very different. One is the part that was revealed in Medina, the other was revealed in Mecca. The part from Mecca is kinder, more philosophic, and more peaceful. The part from Medina is more warlike, cruel and hardened. Muslims that emphasize the Meccan part are more peaceful: Muslims that emphasize the Medina part are more violent and cruel. Until the peaceful Muslims loudly and repeatedly denounce the violence and cruelty, the Western mind will perceive them all as complicit, which in fact they are if they remain silent.

      • Ronald Green

        I have met many and they have made themselves irrelevant by their silence. I lived in Kuwait for two years and got to know Saudis, Kuwaitis, Pakistanis, Egyptians, Palestinians… quite a few. The few who do protest are careful not to do so in a way as to make the extremists angry with them. There should be thousands speaking out but only a handful dare to do so.

        • LJB_65

          Absolutely true. Islam intimidates and silences, just like it has the Western leaders.

        • Evil Otto

          Murph is battling against himself. He’s swallowed so much politically-correct Kool-Aid that he can’t mentally process the idea that maybe, just maybe, there’s something wrong with Islam as a faith.

          The vast majority of wars currently going on in the world involve Muslims. Random terrorist attacks such as this one, the Boston bombings, or countless others occur around the globe, and the vast majority are committed by Muslims. And those non-fringe Muslims? You’re right. They’re silent.

          Murph isn’t trying to convince anyone but himself.

          • John Galt

            Muslim people aren’t the problem. The Qur’an is the problem. It is a hate filled book written by a pedophile jacked up on drugs demanding that his lemmings do his dirty work, period.

      • kenai

        Ten percent of all the Christians in the world are not followers of Fred Phelps.

      • JamesMc

        As an agnostic, I find that a silly comparison. Do Christians in any country, particularly our own, have a ‘morality police’ that are condoned to operate by their government to persecute offenders like in Saudi Arabia and other Islamic countries? Are there any civil authorities in non-muslim lands that cede their authority to a council of clerics with a harsh interpretation of their religion, as in Iran and other Islamic countries? Are there any non-muslim faiths in western countries that incite their followers to commit honor killings or the butchery of heretics? Did the Pope, or Billy Graham, put out a fatwa for the death of Dan Brown for writing “The Da Vinci Code?”
        Loathsome as the Westboro Baptist church is, they haven’t killed anyone in their nuttiness. They are also almost universally scorned by most in our society. In many Islamic cultures, the religious nuts are the ones given authority, while the ‘moderates’ skulk in the shadows or acquiesce to their actions. Groups like the Taliban shoot young women in the head for the innocuous act of attending school. Non-muslims are frequently persecuted and prosecuted for simply having a faith different than their own. Your comparison is ludicrous.

      • JamesMc

        As an agnostic, I find that a silly comparison. Do Christians in any country, particularly our own, have a ‘morality police’ that are condoned to operate by their government to persecute offenders like in Saudi Arabia and other Islamic countries? Are there any civil authorities in non-muslim lands that cede their authority to a council of clerics with a harsh interpretation of their religion, as in Iran and other Islamic countries? Are there any non-muslim faiths in western countries that incite their followers to commit honor killings or the butchery of heretics? Did the Pope, or Billy Graham, put out a fatwa for the death of Dan Brown for writing “The Da Vinci Code?”
        Loathsome as the Westboro Baptist church is, they haven’t killed anyone in their nuttiness. They are also almost universally scorned by most in our society. In many Islamic cultures, the religious nuts are the ones given authority, while the ‘moderates’ skulk in the shadows or acquiesce to their actions. Groups like the Taliban shoot young women in the head for the innocuous act of attending school. Non-muslims are frequently persecuted and prosecuted for simply having a faith different than their own. Your comparison is ludicrous.

  • $29561723

    Knowing the British politicians, I’m sure they’ll address this issue posthaste. By banning kitchen knives and meat cleavers.

    Speaking out against Islam though will get you a hate-speech charge.

  • likeablaze

    Everyone just…stood there and did nothing.

    • aegean1

      Pathetic. No one willing to risk their own skin to save an innocent man.

      • Ronald Green

        See above.

    • Ronald Green

      It’s England, the sheep have little to defend themselves with and they have been trained and conditioned to not interfere. It’s what the left wants and in Europe, that’s what they’ve got.

    • kenai

      Well, probably quite a few of them peed their pants.

    • Spinmamma

      In all fairness, there was one woman who distracted them by talking to them–she said she did it because better her be killed than some of the children who gathered in the crowd with their parents. There were also several women who tried to comfort the dying soldier and even tried to shield his body from the attackers. All impotent, but at least they did something.

  • Liberty

    What takes the police so long to get there? For heaven’s sake! It’s not like they have to get their handguns in order. :/ How is this man walking around with his murderous weapons?

    • Ronald Green

      Like I said earlier, it’s England. The wonderful ‘utopia’ of the American left. But in truth, it takes time for the police to arrive anywhere and nowhere are they required to even show up. I’m surprised the two murdering scum hung around long enough to get shot. Which also puts the lie to the belief that the British Police are unarmed.

  • http://twitter.com/Marsh626 Mercutio Lives

    Welp. This is pretty much a racist right-wing “Islamophobic” nightmare come to life.

    The far-right has been warning for decades that mass immigration from the
    3rd world was civilizational suicide. It’s gotten so bad that Whites are
    now racial minorities in London (yes, you read that right).

    Right-wing “Islamophobes” have also been sounding the warning bells about the true barbaric, backwards, violent and extremist nature of Islam for the last
    several years; only to be met with foaming rage from the Left and the typical accusations of “ignorance”, “hatred”, “bigotry”, “paranoia”, etc.

    In the back of my mind, I knew it was only a matter of time before Muslim immigrants to the West started to randomly target soldiers as they just walked around town. I’ve studied how radical and fanatical these Muslim immigrants and treasonous converts are in the West. I knew this would happen. And I know it will almost certainly happen again. Damn the libtards – both Left and Right – who have turned random innocent people into sacrificial lambs in their pursuit of upholding their politically correct, multicultural “utopia”. That innocent blood is also on -their- hands as well – including the faux-conservative Bush who also supported mass Muslim immigration to America (like the Boston bombers). I also fear that it’s probably only a matter of time before America starts to look more and more like Mexico with the mass public beheadings as the drug cartels continue to infiltrate this country. But that’s a somewhat different issue…

    And even the proponents of gun rights and the proponents of a return to harsher laws against criminals are vindicated now because the anti-gun Left just loves to bring up the UK’s extremely restrictive gun laws, their much smaller prison population and the abolition of the “savage” death penalty. They especially like to brag that not even most British police carry guns – a source of great pride for the British. It was so outrageous to see these two black Muslim male immigrants actually have the balls to talk to the news cameras after they just beheaded a British soldier right there in the middle of the street as the blood dripped from their hands and as the disarmed and politically correct British citizens just stood around probably thinking “Should I do something? Or would that be racist?” What a horribly perfect testament to the fearlessness of evil in the UK as a result of a neutered and liberalized police force and civilian population. That was probably the most disturbing aspect of this event. Everyone, including unarmed police most likely, just standing around doing practically nothing besides yelling at them as they waited for the -armed- police to finally get alerted and sent to the latest depraved jihadist attack. It pretty much summed up the impotence of modern liberal Western civilization…

    Will this wake enough people up to the grim realities that racist right-wing “Islamophobes” have been trying to warn them about? The depressing truth is that it almost certainly won’t. At least not enough people, especially in the right places (like the media, government and academia), to make a meaningful difference in our increasingly confused and self-destructive civilization…

    • John Galt

      Well, when the smoke clears, at least the right-wingers with enough sense to defend themselves will be the only ones left standing.

  • Random_Failures

    Another atrocity committed by the Amish Liberation Brigades…oh…wait…

  • tjp77

    Time to criminalize Islam. Set up internment camps and throw away the key.

    • Joe W.

      I’ll drink to that!!!

    • kenai

      Forget the keys, throw away the Muslims and don’t allow any more in.

    • Discontentwliars

      I disagree, if only on the grounds that when the government starts interning people, they won’t stop. As the president says, the war on terrorism is coming to an end. When we evacuate from the middle east, all of America will be safe again. Much like it was before 9/11. There are all kinds of people here in the US that aren’t Muslims that hate the US, what we stand for and our success. It becomes a little scary when US citizens become the enemy, and you have the DHS to try to keep them in check. It’s a bigger problem then we know. Like, do we know how the immigration bill will affect the issues?

  • detroit19

    The trap that Britain and much of Europe has been snared by is the same trap the US is stumbling into; though not every Muslim is a terrorist, the majority of terrorists are Muslim, not Christian, Jewish, Methodist, Protestant, atheist, agnostic, white, black, male, female, old, young…Muslim. I pray we wake up before it is too late…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2a45zobzuOo

  • eeddggy

    How long will good men put up with Muslims murdering our family members? Islam is an ideology and not a pure religion. They are quite clear in their message – either your one of them or you are a sworn enemy.

  • eeddggy

    A good guy with a gun would have dropped this Muslim animal in a heart beat.

    • Roto

      Well, we all know the U.K.’s strict machete laws….

  • Guest

    Ah the wonders of multiculturalism, coming soon to a dying country near you !!

  • Guest

    This just in, the Left says it’s not murder, it’s simply a 172nd trimester abortion, and if you have a problem with it, you’re a crusty old fashioned Puritan who’s still living in the Dark Ages.

  • LegalizeShemp

    If he lived in the US, liberals wouldn’t call him a murderer, they’d call him “a women’s healthcare provider”.

  • barfomer

    When seconds count ,The police are (20) minutes away.

  • Legal Immigrant in TX

    I say background checks for everyone buying knives!!! Or any sharp objects!!! Or any point objects!!!

    • http://twitter.com/die_mich_zwei Spatial Awareness

      Toothpicks???

    • http://twitter.com/die_mich_zwei Spatial Awareness

      Toothpicks???

  • Legal Immigrant in TX

    I say background checks for everyone buying knives!!! Or any sharp objects!!! Or any point objects!!!

  • Jeremy

    ah yes the “tolerant” muslims at work again.This piece of waste should have been killed.

  • Jeremy

    ah yes the “tolerant” muslims at work again.This piece of waste should have been killed.

  • Thatgirl

    This guy don’t even now what he’s talkin about….
    This is not supposed to happen and what he did is NOT accepted in Islam. All these retarded extremist and weird cultures ruined the name of Islam. I’m a Muslim and I am DEVASTATED. We pray for the poor young lad and his family. I am afraid of the consequences of these bastards and many others. Pls people do not blame the religion of Islam. These terrorists are misinterpreting it. We are not supposed to be extreme like that. WTH is this!??!!?? I literally feel like tearing up for my ruined religion and innocent victims…. :(

    • unknown

      Notify all your Muslim friends and stand together saying that you will not let these extremists affect your religion!

    • unknown

      Notify all your Muslim friends and stand together saying that you will not let these extremists affect your religion!

  • Thatgirl

    This guy don’t even now what he’s talkin about….
    This is not supposed to happen and what he did is NOT accepted in Islam. All these retarded extremist and weird cultures ruined the name of Islam. I’m a Muslim and I am DEVASTATED. We pray for the poor young lad and his family. I am afraid of the consequences of these bastards and many others. Pls people do not blame the religion of Islam. These terrorists are misinterpreting it. We are not supposed to be extreme like that. WTH is this!??!!?? I literally feel like tearing up for my ruined religion and innocent victims…. :(

  • LegalizeShemp

    It’s not the religion of peace, it’s the religion that leaves you in pieces.

  • LegalizeShemp

    It’s not the religion of peace, it’s the religion that leaves you in pieces.

  • bo1921

    And the left, ad nauseam, tells us that diversity is our strength. Diversity is what makes us strong – No, diversity is and will be our undoing, but we have to listen to and obey a tyrannical minority, who are hastening the end of Western civilization. And we’re letting them do it!

  • http://ITSPEOPLE.com/ Tantalus XVI

    Just saw the recent Jon Stewart and O’reilly mash up. Seems like Jon still can’t see the forest because the trees are in the way, and there are bodies hanging from the trees. “But but but but but but but but what about the gun murders, probably Fox News watchers shooting each other yea yea!” And then goes on to change the subject when Bill asks “well how do we profile gun murderers.”

    “Liberals, either too rich to notice or too poor to care.”

  • http://ITSPEOPLE.com/ Tantalus XVI

    What purpose does it serve to continue to defend the savage that won’t defend you? Does the muslim community have a “no snitching” policy too?