Obamacare redux! Sens. Lee, Cruz and Paul: ‘Why is Senate voting on bill no one read?’ Again


Double bam!

Reading, shmeading! As Twitchy reported, the Senate voted for cloture and averted a filibuster of a gun control bill this morning. And guess what? Once again, the Senate seeks to vote on a bill that no one has read. “You have to pass the bill to find out what’s in it!” Again.


Republican senators Ted Cruz, Mike Lee and Rand Paul are not standing for it. Instead, they are standing up for the American people.

More from their statement:

WASHINGTON, DC – Today, Senators Mike Lee (R-UT), Rand Paul (R-KY) and Ted Cruz (R-TX) released the following statement regarding the pending vote on the motion to proceed to new gun control legislation:

This morning the Senate will vote on the motion to proceed to the firearms bill (S.649). It is expected that the Toomey-Manchin provision announced yesterday will replace the current language regarding background checks. Yet, as of this morning, not a single senator has been provided the legislative language of this provision. Because the background-check measure is the centerpiece of this legislation it is critical that we know what is in the bill before we vote on it. The American people expect more and deserve better.

Unfortunately, the effort to push through legislation that no one had read highlights one of the primary reasons we announced our intention to force a 60 vote threshold. We believe the abuse of the process is how the rights of Americans are systematically eroded and we will continue to do everything in our power to prevent it.

Patriots applaud the senators.

Amen. Senators Cruz, Lee and Paul understand that the government works for us and not the other way around.


  • FreedomFighter

    Wasn’t this a vote to start discussion???

    • $46661540

      Who cares? We need to take all 68 of the Yes(wo)men out of office ASAP.

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  • disqus_e2F2oUH6C7

    Agree with SweetTea. These people have to go. Bet they wouldn’t sign a contract w/o reading it. This bill hasn’t even been written yet. 68 are Morons & Idiots.

  • j p

    The background check probably includes language saying that you will be denied if you have mental issues. It is probably left very ambiguous what defines an issue worthy of the denial or who gets to define that. The way things are going, they will say that if you believe in God, you must be crazy. That will disarm most of the people willing to lay down their life to fight for freedom.

    • John Thomas “Jack” Ward III

      I am considered as “Emotionally Disabled” (I even get disability for it..), and I know how to carry, load, shoot and use a gun safely… I would only shoot in anger if I was defending myself. You see? GUNS DON’T KILL PEOPLE, STUPID AND/OR CRAZY PEOPLE WITH GUNS KILL PEOPLE! Jawamax 8<{D}

      • John Thomas “Jack” Ward III

        Before anyone asks…Boy Scouts, Cub Scouts, Junior ROTC in High School (RAIDER REGIMENT!) and friends and family members who own/owned guns. Jawamax 8<{D}

        • Squirrel!

          Do you have your concealed carry? No need to answer that but be aware that Missouri State Police turned over the list of concealed carry permits to the Social Security Admin. I’m doubting that’s the only state. See Breitbart for the article about it.

  • Kabong30

    Lets ask Cheaper Than Dirt what kind of 2A supporters they are when they’ll jack up their prices 500% to scalp mags and ammo?

    • Slapweasel

      You mean supply and demand? That’s what you’re talking about, right? …supply and demand? …right?

      …supply and demand?

      • Kabong30

        Is that what you call it? Supply didn’t drop and the manufacturer didn’t raise their MSRP. No need to shill for CTD, friend.

        • camnpat

          The basics of supply and demand: a product that is in more demand will cost more when the supply is low. Supply has dropped. Demand has skyrocketed. Hence the price of the product has gone up for everyone.

          Rather than get angry at the store who sells the product to the public trace it back to what is causing the production shortage to begin with.

          And, FYI, a store like Cheaper Than Dirt or any other selling guns and ammo doesn’t sell these products to “support the 2A”. They are a business period and thus they want to make money and they have costs associated with getting the products and running the business.

          Blaming the effect, not the cause, is how we end up with stupid solutions like Obamacare or the friggin’ gun control bill.

          • Kabong30

            Ya know what, I might buy that had they not started jacking up their prices on mags the day after Newtown happened. You can talk supply and demand all day long, this is the worst kind of opportunism in my opinion. Again, MSRP didn’t go up, so the associated cost thing is a canard. But go on thinking that, it’s the internet, you’re allowed.

          • sb36695

            Ignorance is bliss!

          • R.C.

            The worst kind of opportunism is the liberal dance steps on top the coffins of children in an attempt to frame an argument in their favor and push legislation that is ineffective at best and at worst liberty stomping.

            To ignore the shredding of our Constitution while complaining about high ammo prices is,well, retarded.

          • Kabong30

            Who’s ignoring it?

          • camnpat

            You are still focusing on a slice of the overall picture.

            First, MSRP stands for “Manufacturer Suggested Retail Price”. “Suggested” is the key word. This is usually calculated based on the manufacturer’s own production costs. A manufacturer relies on certain base materials consistently and thus secures the price (not the product) ahead of time for a period (here’s where the oh- so “evil” speculation comes into play). As a result of this, and the fact that a manufacturer moves much slower than a retailer in recalibrating costs, a MSRP may change in a quarterly or yearly basis, but not on a daily basis unlike a retailer that adjusts on a daily or weekly basis based on supply and product.

            Secondly, Newtown wasn’t the beginning of the shortage or the high demand of weapons and bullets. This has been going on for a while. Pretty much started slowly with Obama’s election in 08′ and the anti- gun crowd he was surrounding himself with. Gun bans became a bigger worry after Tucson in 2011, and a major concern after Aurora. Newtown just added to it and brought the whole 24/7 news cycle about it, but was hardly the beginning. Ammo shortages were already being reported well ahead of December. Add to that the news all year long of different government agencies buying tremendous amounts of ammo and causing more people to go out to get ammo in quantity, thus increasing the demand, plus the shortage of certain metals needed for production, and you have a perfect storm for shortages.

            But the solution is simple: you don’t want the prices of one particular store then buy from a different one. That’s the beauty of the free market. I’m sure you can find one store somewhere that has a price to your satisfaction.

          • Squirrel!

            The demand started before Newtown. The demand started with Obama’s re-election.

          • sb36695

            Liberals don’t understand economics!

      • sb36695

        Liberals don’t understand economics!

        • Kabong30

          Who’s a liberal? Why is that the default screech of idiots like you? Just because I don’t like seeing a company try to rip people off now I’m a liberal. Nice logic there.

          • sb36695

            I believe the correct term is “evil corporation”. Don’t forget your talking points! BTW, I aced logic in college. It’s also something liberals don’t understand.

          • Kabong30

            I am not a liberal, if you can’t get that through your head I can’t see how you “aced” much of anything.

          • sb36695

            Stay away from the bong, and I “aced” a lot!

          • Kabong30

            Ok, dumbass, certainly you must have aced schoolyard humor.

      • Squirrel!

        Dang ol’ laws of capitalism. 😉

    • J. Cox

      Do you know what the 2nd amendment is about?It has nothing to do with people buying and selling anything,regardless of the price.Next time just jump in here and yell SQUUUUUUIIIIIRRRRRREEELLLLLLLLLLLLLL…it will have the same affect.

      • Kabong30

        Oh sorry, I didn’t realize we couldn’t talk about more than one thing at a time without you getting distracted. I’m discussing the merit of supporting a thing then taking advantage of other supporters of that thing by charging 500% more for related items when your cost hasn’t gone up. If you went to gas up your car and it was suddenly $10/gallon at your local gas station, but not at others I suspect your reaction might be different.

        • ldwaddell

          Umm, Ammo has gone up at all the places I normally purchase it. I can’t even find .223, .308 or .40 in my town. I have to purchase everything on line if don’t want to have to drive 50 miles to purchase ammo. If you think Cheaper Than Dirt is price gouging then shop elsewhere. It is still, after all, a free market.

          • Kabong30

            That’s because all that other speculators are snapping it all up. It’s an artificial market is what it is.

        • Slapweasel

          Was the answer supply and demand? I’m hoping it isn’t “gouging”, again. Gee whiz that would be TERRIBLE for a businessman to sell something for what it is worth at that time!

          …I’m thinking it was supply and demand.

          P.S.: I don’t shill for anyone. I don’t own a gun and I never have. I just don’t begrudge those who buy or sell them.

          My reaction to gas prices would have to do with SUPPLY and DEMAND. If I was dumb enough to pull into the station on “E”, guess whose fault that is? -mine.

          • Kabong30

            I love how you speak like gouging isn’t something that happens. Suuply and demand is all well and good, but it doesn’t fit here. CTD immediately started charging more when there was no supply issue or demand issue. I’m sorry, but a $15 PMAG suddenly jumping to $60-70? And now they wrap themselves in the flag and shout “‘MERICA!” and fools are drooling all over them.

            I planned ahead, I’ve got ammo and mags, that doesn’t keep me from calling out reprehensible behavior when I see it.

          • Slapweasel

            Gouging DOES happen. I don’t call it “gouging”, however. I call it SUPPLY AND DEMAND. Demand shoots through the roof –Because of Real or Perceived Governmental Action– and the supplier slows the outflow by jacking up the price.

            It is not “reprehensible”. It is what SHOULD happen every time there is a “run” on a seller’s product.

            I have NO PROBLEM with people saying that a business’s prices are too high, calling them out and shopping elsewhere.

            Pure Free Market.

            …Supply and Demand.

            I’m going to get a cookie, now. I’ve earned that crumbly little bastard!

            P.S.: If you’re not the only game in town, there will be Free Market Repercussions. If they saw the “run” coming because of outside market forces? Good on ’em. Stash the cash!

            A good business knows when to “knock it off”. A bad business thinks it is the only game in town when it isn’t. If they’re way above Market Value? …they’ll learn.

        • J. Cox

          Straw-man enter the fray.You have a gripe with a retailer…why come here and whine?Oh,it is relevant to people who don’t know how to go buy something somewhere else.How about you write THEM a letter and shop elsewhere.You rambling on about supposed price gouging have 0..zero..zilch to do with the topic.Come back with proof they are doing so,otherwise,learn how to shop around.I just love how you believe you are “in the know”…but a price jump is somehow actual proof.Let me know when you sit in on the next corp. meeting,I will buy you a tape recorder.

          • Kabong30

            Dude, it’s an internet comments section, I could talk about how much I love cheeseburgers. What does it matter if it strictly on-topic? Proof? How much do I need? One day a PMAG is $15, next day it’s $60 and Magpul says they didn’t change the price. Oh, sorry, no proof.

    • oconnellc

      I don’t know if you realize this, but no one here wants facts getting in the way of a preconceived notion.

    • JustLikeAnimals

      Solution: I stopped spending money with CTD a long time ago. Hit them where it hurts, because eventually the dust is going to settle and CTD will have screwed their customer base one time too many. They will have run Cheaper than Dirt into the ground.

      • Kabong30

        I agree and never spent money with them to begin with.

  • Stephen L. Hall

    Would not voting for a bill which you have not read constitute Gross Negligence and Dereliction of one’s Constitutional Duty. Sounds like an impeachable offense for any Senator who admitted to so doing.

    • $46661540

      Is it possible to impeach 68% of the Senate? If so, I’m in

      • angeleyez

        Isn’t Harry Reid planning to add both the Schumer/Toomey bill and
        the Dianne Feinstein GUN GRABBING bill on as amendments ?

      • Stephen L. Hall

        Well, if you stop and consider that anyone accused of a similar bad act would have to recuse themselves from the voting . . . I think the remaining 32% could handle the matter. On a practical level, however . . .

    • R.C.

      I agree and believe the solution is that we should stop paying them.

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        • TJCrane_NCC1701

          TY for the link SA ! Many Independence Day fireworks displays were cancelled in my area last year and I expect more to be cancelled this year (in northern IL…..due to being in…IL…) so I’m putting my Smokey Joe in the trunk and plan on grilling my hamburgers and hotdogs in Springfield, IL.
          Hope to see some fellow patriots down there !

          • http://twitter.com/die_mich_zwei Spatial Awareness

            I have been saying something similar to this for four years…. If we could get enough to rally around this kind of idea, just a shut-down for 30 days would have a massive impact. >:^)

          • TJCrane_NCC1701

            I agree and I’m forwarding this info to everyone I know (and then some !).

            The sad thing is that this probably won’t get reported in the MSM unless we have rape tents and crap on police cars like OWS because it would make us look bad…..

    • http://timpanogos.wordpress.com/ Ed Darrell

      Threatening to filibuster a bill you haven’t read is dereliction of duty.

      Not reading the bill that’s been in the hopper for three weeks is dereliction of duty.

      Lee, Cruz and Rand should resign. They’re irresponsible.

      Full texts available at Millard Fillmore’s Bathtub.

  • $2634156

    Our nation as we knew it and the Founders founded it, is gone. Save for a few, all branches including straw Congress follow the globalist masters. Taking guns just another safeguard that is in process of systematic dismantling by these evil folks. I agree with the commenter who noted that Bible believing Christians will soon be, not only on “terrorist” list but the criminally insane” list as well. But we know how the story ends. Come Lord Jesus

  • conservativechick

    Harry Reid pizzes me off. He never brings any legislation to the floor for a vote, then blames Republicans for not doing anything. Notice how FAST he got a vote on this? Ridculous.

  • Guest

    Conscientious Republican Senators should desist from asking awkward questions,
    it might embarrass those engaged in less then transparent government.
    Is there not even ONE Democrat with a similar sense of outrage…?


    How dare those Tea Party extremists try to stop our agenda….Off with their heads!!!! I can’t believe those idiots that voted against the filibuster. What is up with that??? Ted, Rand, and Mike are Patriots. They are the only ones doing what is right for this country that we have. I support them 100%

  • sb36695

    You have to support the dictator! That’s why! But I’m sure it’s not as bad as Obamacaresless! haha

  • Love of Country

    Those commies didn’t read the bill, again? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6_1Pw1xm9U

    • JustLikeAnimals

      The rats are running loose again.

  • neoface

    Once you are elected, you have won the lottery, a golden parachute for life. The strategy is go along and get along. Hey, no rocking the boat!!!!

  • Wag_a_Muffin (D)

    Why? Because them voting on the health care bill nobody could read is working out so well for us!

  • Kate

    Did you ever notice that when it comes to issues that are actually important (such as fixing Social Security for younger generations or streamlining the tax code), politicians will do a lot of talk but little action.

    But when it comes to ridiculous bills like Amnesty or Gun Control, they try their damnedest to ram a bill through as soon as possible, without even thinking it through (Exhibit A: NY State gun control.)

    If the Democrats and RINOs actually had any integrity, they would sit down and actually try to tackle the real issue- mental health. (What qualifies someone as “mentally ill?”)

    Bravo to Cruz, Paul, Rubio, Lee, et al…I am confident that these Senators won’t give up the fight.

    • Squirrel!

      … and in the middle of the night.

  • JustLikeAnimals

    God damn the United States Senate!

    I am so sick of these stupid m&*^%$#rf&^%$#rs parading around as the golden souls of what’s best for the rest of us and not having a God damn clue as to what they are doing and not giving a good God damn about the damage and destruction it is causing this nation.

    • kenai

      Yeah, and that’s their good points.

  • maybetoday777

    “You know what’s stupider than voting on a bill no one has read? NOTHING! There’s nothing stupider than voting on a bill no one has read.”

    Yes there is. Its called believing that all life arose from lava and rocks accidentally with no goal or purpose in mind. Any civilization that believes this, preaches this and teaches this gets turned into HELL.
    Furthermore, you are the dumbass Roman Catholics that voted more dumbass Roman Catholics into our government. Wow, newsflash, the Roman Catholic killers (Hitler, STalin, Lenin, Castro, Franco et al) want to take your guns. God you THE PEOPLE are dumb as SIN.

    • ceemack

      If I’ve told you once, I’ve told you a hundred times…take your meds BEFORE you post something on the Internet.

  • $35072932

    Posted elsewhere:

    Gun Control Amendment: Apply Identical Background Check to VOTING

    Rand Paul should offer the following Amendment to the Gun Control Anti-Bill-Of-Rights legislation before the Senate:

    “Any background checks, documentation, restrictions, waiting periods, or any other restrictions of this legislation on a citizen’s G-d-given Second Amendment Rights must be equally applied to each citizen’s right to VOTE and SPEAK.”

    • Squirrel!

      Or become President…

  • Man of Little Means

    The people who want to try and fix the Education system in this country can’t even read. Can we please get some night school classes in the capital to teach these guys to read.

  • http://www.facebook.com/ebradley.pilgrim E Bradley Pilgrim

    What is it going to take to end this irresponsible, evil Senatorial plot that continues to destroy our nation’s fabric? Never in our nation’s history has there been such a gathering of incompetence in governance. What do we need to do to remove the grossly inept leadership clogging the Senate today? And why do we allow even one more day of lies from these selfish, self-serving thugs? Impeach vigorously and with full conviction. Our nation depends on it!

    • BHopper2

      Vote the dems out of office, so we can have repubs in there.

  • Tammy

    I was so looking forward to the filibuster ..Cruz, Lee, Paul and any others , isn’t there something that can be done because it hasn’t even been read yet, Isn’t that reason enough to stop this? Just look at the uproar of the Health Care bill…..

  • David Hamm

    Do they know how to read

  • John Thomas “Jack” Ward III

    I said it in a post on Facebook, and I’ll say it here: TIME FOR A FILLIBUSTER! Jawamax 8<{D}

  • raggiedolly

    Why do we have such dumb people in Congress? Someone needs to get reading glasses for these people. and common sense.

  • Gallatin

    Who are the 68 Senate dirtbags who voted to bypass filibuster?

  • AZWarrior

    You get the government you deserve. These are the representatives of an uninvolved and uneducated people, so of course they are corrupt.

  • Kurier Radek

    Eradicate tyrants. Depose despots. Sic semper evello mortem Tyrannis!

  • $7610427

    Every day in this country is like a new episode of The Twilight Zone!

  • Sayit Isntseaux

    You mean to tell me they actually read a bill before they vote on it?

  • RedSoloCup

    These three are our only hope that Obamacare promptly dies a slow painful death!

  • http://timpanogos.wordpress.com/ Ed Darrell

    Why are these guys threatening to filibuster a bill they haven’t read? How shameful.

    By the way, when they said that, the text of the original bill had been available for more than three weeks; amendments were available, too: See Millard Fillmore’s Bathtub, post on April 11 for full texts.