George Takei tweets support of marriage equality, the ‘final frontier’; Do Trekkers approve?

George Takei’s support of same-sex marriage should surprise exactly no one, considering Takei married partner Brad Altman in a relatively high-profile ceremony in 2008. “Star Trek” fans take pride in the boundaries broken by the show, such as TV’s first interracial kiss, and were quick to lend their support.

The “NoH8” crowd didn’t have nearly as much love for Twitter user @DefendWallSt, who objected to Takei’s appropriation of the “Star Trek” brand to push his political agenda.

Never mind that bit where he said, “I’m for marriage equality.” A number of Takei’s fans didn’t.

Did @DefendWallSt miss the point of “Star Trek,” or did everyone else miss his point about intellectual property? To paraphrase Barry Goldwater, breach of copyright in the defense of same-sex marriage is no vice. And even Leonard Nimoy still “signs” all his tweets LLAP, or “live long and prosper.” So don’t be such a hater, OK?

That was enough to inspire Takei to pull one of those Jedi mind-melds.

Equate opposition to gay marriage to anger and hate, he will. Wait, did we say “opposition”?

  • Clayton Grant

    If anyone is surprised by Takei’s stand on SSM, they don’t know George’s lifestyle.

    • http://www.vatican.va/ Rulz

      This is nothing new. But I find it fascinating (he he) that Star Trek writers either wittingly or unwittingly have had conservative themes.

      • Blake Waymire

        I always bet on “unwittingly”. It happens in a lot of sci-fi written by progressives. Joss Whedon wrote one of the greatest conservative sci-fi shows ever, and he probably didn’t actually mean to. After all, his own politics seem to be Marxist in nature.

        Despite his politics, I haven’t actually heard much of Takei bashing conservatives like his brethren. Maybe I just missed it, but he seems to be far more restrained about calling for the deaths of those who politically oppose him.

        • http://www.vatican.va/ Rulz

          George will make his views on marriage public, but the only person I’ve ever heard him feuding with is William Shatner.

    • http://www.vatican.va/ Rulz

      This is nothing new. But I find it fascinating (he he) that Star Trek writers either wittingly or unwittingly have had conservative themes.

    • TocksNedlog

      Who was surprised?

    • Breitbarts Corpse

      It’s not really a “lifestyle” as much as it is an innate trait he was born with. This is why you continue to lose elections.

      • $36544368

        LOL…we lose elections because George is gay? Oh…uh…okay, Sparky.

      • Guest

        What election did I lose, doofus?

  • unknown

    “Assimilation”? Yeah, the Borg were a big fan of that.

    • http://www.vatican.va/ Rulz

      But, but it was for the “greater good”.

    • http://www.vatican.va/ Rulz

      But, but it was for the “greater good”.

  • darkfall13

    I’m a Trekker and I approve, go George!

  • Love of Country

    I don’t know, Takei …. to me … the final frontier is stopping fascism ie the Dem’s race, class, gender, generational and constitutional wars in this country. A land where black people feel free to participate in our nation’s cherished two-Party voting system without fear of K K K style retribution from Democrats. A government who won’t sell out the people who pay the taxes while they try their best to turn this country into a communist cesspool.

    But hey ….. if you want to boldly go where no straight man has gone before, then by all means go ahead …. just watch out for those pesky Kling-ons, eh? (wink, wink, nudge, nudge)

    • sqeptiq

      The US has secret ballot elections. Black people, and any people, can vote any way they want and no one will be the wiser. That’s a good thing for the few white Obama voters in Mississippi, too.

      • KayGee

        you better believe it. Don’t want to have the Blue Obama lawn sign south of the mason dixon line. Someone might see it and try to exercise the 2nd Amendment on you.

        • ForTheRepublic

          So, you assume that all southerner a are violent hicks that would kill a man simply for his political beliefs? How knowledgable you must be. You should probably alert my Relatives in Oklahoma/Texas/Missouri, and Kansas. They don’t know they’re violent, hateful bigots yet

        • ForTheRepublic

          So, you assume that all southerner a are violent hicks that would kill a man simply for his political beliefs? How knowledgable you must be. You should probably alert my Relatives in Oklahoma/Texas/Missouri, and Kansas. They don’t know they’re violent, hateful bigots yet

        • AWomaninTX

          Here in the heart of Texas, our Romney sign was defaced… with poor grammar & spelling, to boot!

      • KayGee

        you better believe it. Don’t want to have the Blue Obama lawn sign south of the mason dixon line. Someone might see it and try to exercise the 2nd Amendment on you.

  • http://twitter.com/jimni27 Jimni27

    All Takei did was put up a symbol that MANY FB’ers and tweeters have been doing, and adding another symbol from the show he was on. It wasn’t mean or vicious towards anyone so I don’t really get the “FU George” tweet. *shrugs*

  • R.C.

    The final frontier..until the libs get pushing for those wanting to marry their pets.

    • SpiffyMclure

      When a box turtle or a parrot have the ability to knowingly sign a marriage contract, we can talk. OTOH there is this site http://www.marryyourpet.com/

  • SpinMeNot

    So, my take on this is if you oppose same sex marriage because of (a) religious beliefs (b) understand that the federal government has no business regulating marriage and that such a responsibility lies with the state (c) understand that gays have the exact same protections under the law, and in fact, more than your average CWM (Christian White Male) (d) realize that the federal government granting special privileges to less than 3% of the population via judicial activism sets a very bad precedent, then you are a bigot and hater.

    But, if you want to create legal precedent that in fact infringes on the religious beliefs of a good chunk of the population, you are enlightened and tolerant.

    Do I have it correct?

    Holy crap on a cracker …

    • $30423294

      Very well noted that equality in a serious and mature society is merely equality under the law.

      Leftists are doing a bait and switch on the principle of equality. They are demanding equality in social attitudes.

      A new frontier indeed. Welcome to the era of thought crimes.

      The uneducated or mal-educated are oblivious to this sleight of hand. Isn’t equality just a happy rainbowy thing? No it is not.

      This is why leftists took over education. They have been waiting their whole lives for this moment, for this generation of idiots they have trained.

      Shame on all of us for allowing this to have happened.

    • marylandman

      You have it correct. People who oppose same sex marriage are bigots. Everything you just said could have been heard in 1967 as the Supreme Court debated Loving v. Virginia. The idea that you think gays have MORE protections than christian white males would be laughable if that level of ignorance weren’t frightening. How is that even possible to believe? You’re pathetic. You my friend, and other conservatives with similarly small mental capacity are exactly why Republicans have won exactly ONE presidential popular vote in the past 6 presidential elections, and exactly why they won’t win another any time soon. So I can thank your astounding ignorance for that. Keep up the good work.

      • Dale Black

        Loving v. Virginia did not involve a change in the definition of marriage– it struck down laws that banned marriages between people of different races. Race, unlike sex, has nothing to do with a couple’s ability to procreate.

        Your immediate ad hominem attack on SpinMeNot shows that, despite your claims to intellectual superiority, you are unable to make an argument without resorting to insult.

        It is you, sir, that is a bigot.

        • marylandman

          You, sir, have NO IDEA what the word bigot means. I called SpinMeNot an idiot because you have to be an idiot to believe that gays have more protections than christian white males.

          This is an old conservative trick. You say “I HATE BLACK PEOPLE,” then when liberals call you out you say, “LIBERALS ARE INTOLERANT OF MY HATRED FOR BLACK PEOPLE.” People of even average intelligence see right through your BS argument.

          Clearly, you have a small mental capacity as well because you believe that marriage is just for procreation. You would support banning sterile heterosexual couples from marrying? Or couples that choose not to have children?

          • Dale Black

            I know what a bigot is, and you are a very hateful one at that. One that feels the need to troll message boards where he is likely to meet conservative Christians and lash out with hateful comments impugning their intelligence, among other things.

            An old liberal trick is to ignore the issue at hand, and begin smearing the person who disagrees with you with unsubstantiated claims of bigotry and lack of intelligence. And for emphasis TYPE IN ALL CAPS TO REFLECT THE TYPICAL GAY RIGHTS ACTIVIST TACTIC OF SHOUTING DOWN YOUR OPPONENTS..

            SpinMeNot may believe (correctly or incorrectly) that gays have more legal protection than Christian white males. That does not make him hateful, as would, say,, trolling on a gay message board and calling its posters perverts). In my community, I know for a fact that he is correct–the university extends special protections to gays, and regularly hounds Christian student organizations that have the temerity to retain their traditional standards of sexual morality in choosing their leaders. On the other hand, they never punish the gay student groups for the extremely anti-Christian propaganda they push out with university funding. Double standard, much?

            Try counteracting his (and my) arguments with something substantive, other than groundlessly attacking my “mental capacity”. You have no idea of my intellectual abilities and accomplishments. Rest assured, I have more than enough objective evidence of these things to make me immune to your desperate, laughable insults.

          • marylandman

            You still don’t know what a bigot is. Calling someone a bigot for being a bigot does not make me a bigot, idiot.

            I’m guessing you’re much older than me, which is embarrassing for you. How can you live your whole life and not understand the basic fact that all people are created equal? How do you honestly believe that Christians are more persecuted than gays? What bubble world do you live in that white christian men are oppressed? You must be out of your mind. When you say Christians who “have the temerity to retain their traditional standards of sexual morality,” are you referring to Christians who believe rapists should marry their victims? What sexual morality in the Bible are you referring to? Not to mention, “because it’s always been that way” is a terrible defense of prejudice. Do you not realize that the arguments you make are exactly parallel to arguments used all throughout history to deny rights to minorities? Apparently you don’t.

            Basically, you’re bitter that hate-spewing Christian “family” organizations get called on their BS. This is America, so I don’t know why you’re opposed to free speech. They get to distribute their hate speech, and people get to call them bigots. That’s how America works so I don’t understand why you’re so salty about that. You think that Christians should be able to do whatever they want with impunity, but that isn’t how our country operates.

            Opposing same sex marriage makes you a bigot. You seek to deny rights to a minority. That’s the definition of bigot. I’m sorry that you were raised too poorly to see these basic, basic truths.

          • SpinMeNot

            Please provide proof of Christian doctrine/belief stating the Rapists must marry their victims. With regard to Scripture. Leviticus 18 and 20, Paul’s Epistle to the Romans.

            Please show me where in the Constitution Marriage is listed as a right. Please tell me why the government has the right to tell a Muslim Cleric that they have to marry a same sex couple in direct violation of their faith.

            The only person spewing hate here is you. And for the record, something else you don’t know about me. One of my best friends is a 90 year old lesbian. I’ve spent a fair number of hours with her as a greeter at our church, praying at her bedside when her heart problems flare up, and sitting next to her and her partner in church services.

            Oh and she is also against same sex marriage, so she must be a bigot as well.

          • marylandman

            That’s tragic that your (likely imaginary) lesbian friend was raised to think she was an abomination. In case you weren’t aware, bigotry, racism, and sexism are all learned.

            And no law will force churches or mosques to perform same sex marriages. Maybe you’ve heard of separation of church and state? Somehow it doesn’t surprise me that you’re a conservative who is completely unaware of how this country operates. Moron.

            I’m not spewing any hate, simply calling you out on your bigoted views. We still have freedom of speech in this country, a little thing you conservatives so often forget. Spewing hate is seeking to deny rights to a minority. Which you’re doing. Bigot.

          • SpinMeNot

            Please please please show me where there is a federal law, other than the DOMA, which should have been overturned under the 10th amendment years ago.

            I don’t hate anyone because of their sexuality, faith, or color of their skin, never had never will. Got the crap beat out of me once because I had black friends I talked to after school. You have no idea what you are talking about. You are just an angry petulant, bigoted child that is mostly incapable of providing facts when requested to do so. You did manage to find a single quote from the Bible, I bet that hurt.

            Still want to tell me that gays and lesbians don’t have visitation rights? Let me guess, you probably believe that a gay man can’t will his estate to his partner.

            Ignorant child.

          • marylandman

            You keep calling me a bigot, proving over and over again that you don’t know what the word means. Telling a bigot that they’re a bigot doesn’t make ME a bigot. Do you think people who call the KKK bigots are bigoted as well?

          • marylandman

            What “hurt” about me proving you wrong concerning rape-marriage in the Bible? And you say “a single quote” rather dismissively but how many quotes are there in the Bible about homosexuality? Other than Leviticus and St. Paul’s letters. Leviticus also says you can’t eat shellfish and Paul also said that women are inferior to men. Stop picking and choosing what you want to follow in the Bible. Ignorant old man.

          • SpinMeNot

            Who said she thinks she is an abomination? She doesn’t and neither do I. If you actually knew anything about Christianity, you would know that embrace the sinner and eschew the sin.

            Really? No law will force … but isn’t that what equal protection under the law means, that they can’t be refused based on their minority status? The LGBT movement in Hutchinson Kansas, tried to get an ordinance passed that would have made it criminal to do so. Check out Perry v. Schwarzaneger in California. And a church camp in Ocean Grove, New Jersey was sued for not renting their facilities to a gay couple. You can read all about the latter at the website of the Ocean Grove United Methodist Church.

            So again, I’ve provided you 1 case where a church camp was sued because they refused to allow a gay marriage to be preformed there. And a case in California where the Catholic Church was sued for reading from the Bible.

            You are the one that is denying facts here. You are the one that hates Christians, calls me a liar with no proof, etc. etc.

            Get over yourself.

          • marylandman

            Providing examples of people TRYING to do the wrong thing doesn’t make those facts. Republicans sue all the time for absolutely batsh*t crazy reasons but they’re rightfully thrown out. Show me an ACTUAL law that forces churches to perform same sex marriage. You won’t because you can’t.

            And I’ll say again, the church used the same discriminatory practices against African Americans in the past, and used the Bible to justify their hatred. So while I agree that freedom of religion guarantees their right to be bigots, history will likely remember those bigots poorly.

          • MissDiane47

            Okay, marylandman … I’m going to “chime in” on this conversation …

            Your question is: “How do you honestly believe that Christians are more persecuted than gays?”

            Here’s my answer:

            You have the audacity to quote from the book of Deuteronomy (the story of the rapist being forced to marry the girl he rapes) while at the same time you basically accuse Christians of not adhering to the scriptures of both the Old and New Testaments.

            Newsflash: “Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness’ sake; for theirs is the Kingdom of Heaven.” ~Matthew 5:10 (King James Version) …

            Jesus Christ himself was rejected and persecuted by his own people because of what he was trying to teach them. AND … he told his disciples that they, too, would be persecuted because of Him. Christians from the time Christ returned to Heaven were persecuted, stoned to death and put in prison because of their faith.

            So, please – don’t act so smug and think that gays/lesbians are the ONLY ones to be persecuted! They don’t have any right to lay claim on that one! It’s bad enough that they’ve been using the Civil Rights Movement as their game-plan to force everybody to “accept” their lifestyle. Next to the Jewish Holocaust victims under Hitler, Christianity is the ONLY non-Jewish “religion” in the world to be persecuted as harshly as it is now – because non-believers hate the truth that comes from the Bible. Why? The Bible speaks to the heart of man. And many non-believers such as yourself are playing the same game as Satan – who twisted scripture to support his evil deeds.

            By the way … if you think gays/lesbians have it tough because of Christians … just so you know, Muslims have been known to stone or behead homosexuals in other countries. And they also hate Christians. As a matter of fact, there is a Christian pastor in an Iranian prison because he refuses to deny Christ as his Savior.

            May God have mercy on your soul.

          • marylandman

            I didn’t read a word you said because you’re a woman. I follow the Bible and St. Paul taught me that women should remain silent and never assume authority over a man. So please shut your mouth and let the men talk. You should agree with me, unless you aren’t a true Christian.

          • MissDiane47

            marylandman … I happen to be married to a man who treats me as his equal. YOU on the other hand, are way out of line to tell me what to do; it is not your place to interfere!!!

            Why don’t you slip into something more comfortable ….

            … like a coma!

          • marylandman

            Did your husband allow you to post that comment? If you didn’t get his permission then you’re a hypocrite. Why are you picking and choosing what to believe in the Bible? If Paul was wrong about women’s inferiority to men, then why was he right about homosexuality? Do you even see how warped your logic is? You can’t even call it logic.

          • MissDiane47

            Do you have to work hard to be this stupid, or does it just come naturally to you? In your sick twisted mind, you have the nerve to teach that women are “seen and not heard!” That’s not what the Bible says!! Again, you twist the scriptures to fit your sick ideology!!

            I wouldn’t be surprised if you are the type to beat the woman that you’re married to as well – that is if any woman would be dumb enough to take you as a husband!

            By the way, what goes on in my house between my husband and me is none of your business; so BUTT OUT!!

          • marylandman

            Did your husband allow you to post that comment? If you didn’t get his permission then you’re a hypocrite. Why are you picking and choosing what to believe in the Bible? If Paul was wrong about women’s inferiority to men, then why was he right about homosexuality? Do you even see how warped your logic is? You can’t even call it logic.

          • marylandman

            As far as the capslock goes, I was imitating you when I used capslock, not shouting you down. Shouting people down is the way of Hannity, O’Reilly, and Limbaugh.

          • SpinMeNot

            Really, more protections. I got told to take a Bible off my desk at work, because it was offensive to a number of my atheist liberal co-workers who often had to come and ask me for help on their projects. It was mixed into a few technical books. Now, the gay man that sits around the corner from me can, and does, have a gay pride poster on his wall, but I can’t have a Bible on my desk.

            The LGBT Business Council at work, the Latino Business Council, etc, but when I asked to start a Christian Business Council open to all regardless of their skin color I was denied.

            You are an idiot.

          • marylandman

            You really think you’re persecuted as a white christian man? I honestly don’t know what to say to that. You are too far gone. There is no reaching someone as ignorant as you.

          • SpinMeNot

            You are persecuting me now, because you don’t agree with my faith.

            I’ve given you evidence, and you give me platitudes. And yes, Woman and Bitch, you got problem with that, I live outside of Gainesville Texas. Come on over.

          • marylandman

            Wow you have NO IDEA what the word persecute means. Haha. How can someone actually be as stupid as you are? I mean really, how can one man be so incredibly stupid?

            And OK, internet tough guy. That’s how you know you’re losing an argument, when you start spewing sexist remarks and threatening to beat up a woman. You’re pathetic.

            Oh and here’s a verse from your favorite book:

            Deuteronomy 22:28 If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, 29 he shall pay the girl’s father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the girl, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.

            No wonder you’re a sexist homophobe racist. You are a sad, bitter old man.

          • SpinMeNot

            Stupid? How many graduate degrees do you have? I have 3. One of which I earned, along with my undergraduate degree in the US Army. Yes, you are persecuting me. Webster’s defines persecution as:

            Subject (someone) to hostility and ill-treatment, esp. because of their race or political or religious beliefs.

            You accuse me of being a bigot because I am a Christian. You spew lies as if they are facts, and tell me I am ignorant. I know more about persecution than you will ever know, you have no clue as to who I am, where I’ve been, and what I’ve seen and done.

            So, you don’t know about visitation rights, and you don’t know the definition of the word persecute. Who’s ignorant again? Yes, that would be you.

          • marylandman

            “You are persecuting me.” Whine more. If you don’t like being called a bigot then don’t be a bigot. You’re too ignorant to see the inequality right in front of your eyes. It’s sad, actually.

            For the record, Romney would have reversed Obama’s decision to grant same sex couples hospital visitation rights. And you likely voted for him. Keep voting for bigoted policies and tell yourself you’re not a bigot. You’re lying to yourself.

          • SpinMeNot

            Oh, and I’m sorry, Christians also do not adhere to the dietary restrictions. So again, please show me a single supportable instance of a Christian demanding that anyone adhere to the rape laws of the ancient Israelites. It simply isn’t part of Christian thought. We don’t cut hand off, or stone adulterers either.

      • SpinMeNot

        Woman, you just crossed a line. My best friend in the world, other than my wife, was a black man, had been my friend since childhood. Our fathers served together. We served together. He died in my arms in 1972 in the middle of nowhere in a God forsaken hell hole you know as Vietnam. I am literally shaking with anger right now. Calling you a bitch would an insult to female dogs everywhere.

        There are indeed many things that I am ignorant about. I will spend the left of my life being thankful everyday that I am not as stupid as you are.

        Loving v. Virginia was a civil rights issue, that is to say the 14th amendment to the US Constitution. Homosexuals have equal protection under the law, now they want special privileges under the law. Same sex marriage is not a civil rights issue. It was nothing about giving rights to anyone, it was about ensure that backward ass laws were removed from the book.

        The only bigot here is you, you are just too stupid to realize it.

      • http://twitter.com/dee_rash Dee Dee rash

        You intolerance prove the view of the right! The CA folks voted but u are not happy with that! In fact it was the minority vote that won! But not a gay dare to touch that one!

    • http://twitter.com/dee_rash Dee Dee rash

      Right!!! And gay men are monogamous! Baaaahaaaaa

  • http://twitter.com/thetugboatphil TugboatPhil

    I thought Star Trek was all about taking the new guy down to a planet to be killed.

    • Cool_Arrow

      Our 9-inch mission,
      To boldly go where no man has gone before

    • Cool_Arrow

      Our 9-inch mission,
      To boldly go where no man has gone before

  • Paula Noakes

    I am extremely tired of liberals and activists putting out the meme that if you disagree morally with a lifestyle or a CHOICE, you are therefore a bigot/hater/racist. I have a moral code, a faith and belief that guides my life and my actions. I believe we are all sinners and that we can all repent and be better. To address the “tolerance” issue, may I quote a man I respect and admire: “…for persons who believe in absolute truth, tolerance for behavior is
    like a two-sided coin. Tolerance or respect is on one side of the coin,
    but truth is always on the other. You cannot possess or use the coin of
    tolerance without being conscious of both sides.” (Dallin H. Oaks, “Balancing Truth and Tolerance,” Ensign, Feb. 2013.)

    • Sons Thunder

      Could you tell us more about your struggles against your homosexual desires? The ongoing temptation must be intense for you to write CHOICE in all caps like that. When did you admit you had a problem? When did you quit having sex with other women? When did you repent for your sins and become a better person? I normally wouldn’t ask someone such personal questions but you introduced the topic so I figured you were OK with it.

      I saw you write in another thread (about your cat): ” I don’t think a loving Heavenly Father would deprive us of the chance to see our furry family again.” I’m so glad that God will be reuniting us with our pets. Do you think God will let any homosexuals into heaven or will they burn in hell for all eternity? If gays are allowed into heaven, do you think those who committed themselves to each other will be reunited like you and your cat or will they spend eternity apart?

      Eagerly awaiting your answers.Thanks in advance!

      • Paula Noakes

        ?? Boy, are you projecting or what?! You know, I wrote a reply that addressed one of your “concerns,” but I’ve decided it’s none of your beeswax and you are just a voyeur at heart. Nice try. Apparently religious beliefs, including repentance and improving one’s life, bring out the troll in you. Nice knowing that.. Just FYI, I wrote CHOICE in caps because I believe homosexuality — or at least acting on those urges — is a CHOICE. We all make choices, every day. I choose not to treat you as a complete flaming a**hole even though you make it obvious that’s what you are. See? CHOICE.

        • Sons Thunder

          I wish you would have posted an actual response rather than calling me names that require asterisks.

          • Paula Noakes

            Apparently the concept that I don’t believe you *deserve* a response is beyond your capabilities. Not at all surprising, really.

          • Sons Thunder

            Apparently, you believe you already have a reserved place in Heaven. Apparently, you believe St. Peter is going to send George Takei to burn for eternity but will open the pearly gates for your cat.

            I can see why you would rather call me an a**hole than defend those positions.

          • $36544368

            I’ll defend Paula’s position…I have a good friend who was straight, married, had kids, was an upstanding citizen, never did drugs, wasn’t abused as a kid, etc…she and her husband eventually divorced (he left because they had a child who was diagnosed with cerebral palsy, and he didn’t want to stay around and deal with it). Shortly after that (within a year of the divorce), she dated a lesbian for 12 years, including having intimate relations with her…she then met a really nice man, married him two years later, and 15 years later they’re still as happy as the day they fell in love. I’ve seen it in my practice with patients…it happens…and it doesn’t mean they’re bisexual either…this friend went from ‘just men’ to ‘just women’ to ‘just men’…that was her choice.

          • Sons Thunder

            You make a good point – I have an uncle and know a family friend (woman) who did similar. I’m not sure why it means they are not bisexual but I’m not trying to open ANOTHER can of worms :-)

            Whatever it is that ‘allows’ that type of sexual fluidity, it’s not something I can relate to and I don’t think you are arguing that it’s typical for most people.

            At the end of the day, I support the rights of adults to love and marry. It’s not up to me to allow or deny them that. I was giving Paula a hard time because she made a big deal about homosexuality being a CHOICE but didn’t back that up.

          • AWomaninTX

            Actually, that is what bisexuality is for some.

            I think a factor that confuses some is the belief that if a person is bi, that person wants *everyone* all the time. I have seen & heard this many times. This line of thought confuses me, though. Straight people do not “want” every one of their opposite sex any more than a lesbian or a gay man want all of the same sex. We all have tastes & preferences and act accordingly. Why do people assume a bisexual person would be different?

            I mean, when I mentioned that my bi-son was engaged to a girl who also happened to be bi, she jumped to the conclusion they must be “swingers”! I mean, really! They’re in a committed & exclusive relationship. Why the assumption?

            Being LGBTQ does not mean you are incapable of exclusivity or preferences.

          • $36544368

            My post was not about my friend wanting both men and women, or that ‘bisexual’ people are incapable of exclusive relationships. My post was about a women being exclusively with a man for a long period of time, and then being with a women exclusively for a long period of time, then being with a man again…and her choice to be with the woman had to do with a lot of factors that I did not post (being mistreated by her first husband, feeling alone, etc.). I liken it to people who are in prison and have same-sex tendencies while there, then return to their heterosexual preferences once they’re out of prison (again, I’ve seen this in my practice). My point was – it was my friend’s ‘choice’…she was not born a lesbian. Please don’t add to what I posted or make assumptions about the situation. It appears you completely missed my point.

          • AWomaninTX

            No. I understood your point. That *is* how it works for some people. Pigeonholing sexuality may be why you did not understand that about what I said. I have heard sexuality described as being on a sliding scales that changes, rather than standing at different points. IMO that is a better way to see it.

          • AWomaninTX

            No. I understood your point. That *is* how it works for some people. Pigeonholing sexuality may be why you did not understand that about what I said. I have heard sexuality described as being on a sliding scales that changes, rather than standing at different points. IMO that is a better way to see it.

          • Paula Noakes

            I honestly don’t know where St. Peter is going to send anybody, because I don’t really think St. Peter has that job. I also don’t think ANYBODY is going to burn in hell for eternity. Thanks for assuming in lieu of facts, though.

            Frankly your questions still baffle me. Is it really pertinent what sins I’ve committed? I believe that’s between my confessor (whether it’s a priest, pastor, or my Lord and Savior) and me. I don’t feel or see the reasoning behind confessing to you, when you obviously don’t care one way or the other but are only asking to jab at someone with whom you disagree. Go for it. “Troll! In the dungeon!”

          • Sons Thunder

            First, you are right to call me on my assumption re: your belief in hell. I read over my comments to you and realize I have not exactly been a shining example of civility or reason. Then again, you called me an a**hole so… Maybe we could both use a little more ‘face-time’ with our respective confessors :-)

            As far as it goes, I support same sex marriage and haven’t heard a convincing secular argument against it. I don’t really care about your choice to live as a heterosexual.

            Did you feel how insulting it was for me to ask you to justify your ‘choice’ to be a heterosexual? If your faith and sexuality are none of my business (and they aren’t), how is mine (or anyone else’s) any of yours?

      • ERMERGERD

        Don’t bring God into something, because you disagree with someone. Nobody knows what happens in the afterlife. It’s called having faith. God loves the sinner, but dislikes the sin.

        • Paula Noakes

          I’m not sure the concept of faith is one that Sons Thunder thinks pertinent to his strawmen.

        • Sons Thunder

          You went from “Don’t bring God into the discussion” to “God loves the sinner, but dislikes the sin” in the space of 2 sentences. I haven’t heard a credible, secular argument against homosexuality or same sex marriage.

          • ERMERGERD

            You already brought it up. Enough of the strawmen though, what is your real question? My opinion is the government should have nothing to do with marriage. Along with much else. Yours?

          • Sons Thunder

            I believe same sex couples should be able to get a marriage license. I don’t think we need to dismantle government’s (limited) role in marriage just because gays want to participate.

          • ERMERGERD

            No, we should dismantle it because there is no need for government interference. We don’t need more laws and regulations.

          • Sons Thunder

            How would you handle estates of those who die intestate?

          • ERMERGERD

            Let me ask this, why should a group of crooks have control over that?

          • Sons Thunder

            I asked what your plans were for one of thousands of problems your ‘simple solution’ will create. How about an answer?

            What about not testifying against your spouse?
            Widows of fallen soldiers?
            Tax law?

    • Sons Thunder

      Could you tell us more about your struggles against your homosexual desires? The ongoing temptation must be intense for you to write CHOICE in all caps like that. When did you admit you had a problem? When did you quit having sex with other women? When did you repent for your sins and become a better person? I normally wouldn’t ask someone such personal questions but you introduced the topic so I figured you were OK with it.

      I saw you write in another thread (about your cat): ” I don’t think a loving Heavenly Father would deprive us of the chance to see our furry family again.” I’m so glad that God will be reuniting us with our pets. Do you think God will let any homosexuals into heaven or will they burn in hell for all eternity? If gays are allowed into heaven, do you think those who committed themselves to each other will be reunited like you and your cat or will they spend eternity apart?

      Eagerly awaiting your answers.Thanks in advance!

    • Breitbarts Corpse

      You have a moral code? Great. I don’t have to share it. Your moral code is a choice.

      • $36544368

        Exactly…and we don’t have to share the moral code of a homosexual either.

        • KayGee

          Don’t want a gay marriage? Then don’t have one…. Try not to deny other people the right to marry whom they choose while making your own choices. Freedom, liberty, and small government indeed.

          • $36544368

            Try not to deny other people the right to marry whom they choose, you say (and in a rather patronizing tone, I might add)?…so when my father wants to marry my younger sister, is that okay? Where do YOU draw the line?

        • KayGee

          Don’t want a gay marriage? Then don’t have one…. Try not to deny other people the right to marry whom they choose while making your own choices. Freedom, liberty, and small government indeed.

  • daPenguin

    Hard to port (left) Sulu

  • daPenguin

    Hard to port (left) Sulu

  • TJ

    Have they lobbies yet to have a gay character in the new movie. Making the Sulu character gay would be fine as they have already ignored most canon in the last re-boot. But as sexuality was not mentioned as it was not important to have, so he might have been all along and no one worried about it.

  • TJ

    Have they lobbies yet to have a gay character in the new movie. Making the Sulu character gay would be fine as they have already ignored most canon in the last re-boot. But as sexuality was not mentioned as it was not important to have, so he might have been all along and no one worried about it.

  • http://twitter.com/SurferSage PJB

    Please enlighten me to any Star Trek episode that depicted gays in say a bar scene? Or on a planet? In a federation council scene? Perhaps I missed in Star Wars where same sex aliens were co-habitating. If SCOTUS rules in favor of gay rights, than the federal government should force equal representation of gay characters upon Hollywood writers, directors, et al. You know, “fair-share” and all that.

    • http://www.facebook.com/brett.mcmicken Brett McMicken

      they touched on in the newer series like deep space nine. to my knowledge, they haven’t had one as a main character.

  • http://twitter.com/SurferSage PJB

    Please enlighten me to any Star Trek episode that depicted gays in say a bar scene? Or on a planet? In a federation council scene? Perhaps I missed in Star Wars where same sex aliens were co-habitating. If SCOTUS rules in favor of gay rights, than the federal government should force equal representation of gay characters upon Hollywood writers, directors, et al. You know, “fair-share” and all that.

  • VerminMcCann

    “Hey Bill, Star Trek has always been about equality, assimilation, and tolerance. Watch more episodes.”

    Equality and tolerance are irrelevant. Assimilation, we’re cool with.

    Luv,

    The Borg.

    But seriously, Star Trek might have claimed to be about hippie bullshit, but is was no different than the rest of ’60s pop culture. The tweet above is demonstrative of a nearly universal truth regarding liberals: you don’t actually need to write a show about the things they value; you just have to tell them you have.

    • http://www.vatican.va/ Rulz

      “But seriously, Star Trek might have claimed to be about hippie bullshit, but is was no different than the rest of ’60s pop culture.”

      Meh, yeah, they had that audience to consider. But the lifestyle was criticized in a couple of plots.

      Don’t think too many people caught on, though.

    • http://www.vatican.va/ Rulz

      “But seriously, Star Trek might have claimed to be about hippie bullshit, but is was no different than the rest of ’60s pop culture.”

      Meh, yeah, they had that audience to consider. But the lifestyle was criticized in a couple of plots.

      Don’t think too many people caught on, though.

  • VerminMcCann

    “Hey Bill, Star Trek has always been about equality, assimilation, and tolerance. Watch more episodes.”

    Equality and tolerance are irrelevant. Assimilation, we’re cool with.

    Luv,

    The Borg.

    But seriously, Star Trek might have claimed to be about hippie bullshit, but is was no different than the rest of ’60s pop culture. The tweet above is demonstrative of a nearly universal truth regarding liberals: you don’t actually need to write a show about the things they value; you just have to tell them you have.

  • http://www.vatican.va/ Rulz

    ‘@DefendWallSt @GeorgeTakei Hey Bill, Star Trek has always been about equality, assimilation, and tolerance. Watch more episodes.”

    Umm….FYI .for those who don’t watch Star Trek shows:

    The “assimilation”, among other things, in various alien cultures is FORCED on people……and, well, our dear planet exists in a galactic organization bent strongly on the equivalent of STATE’S RIGHTS.

  • http://www.vatican.va/ Rulz

    ‘@DefendWallSt @GeorgeTakei Hey Bill, Star Trek has always been about equality, assimilation, and tolerance. Watch more episodes.”

    Umm….FYI .for those who don’t watch Star Trek shows:

    The “assimilation”, among other things, in various alien cultures is FORCED on people……and, well, our dear planet exists in a galactic organization bent strongly on the equivalent of STATE’S RIGHTS.

  • http://www.facebook.com/brett.mcmicken Brett McMicken

    Hey Bill, Star Trek has always been about equality, assimilation, and tolerance. Watch more episodes.

    ———————————

    assimilation? you mean like the borg, who did it by force?

  • http://twitter.com/Elekapeka Elizabeth Toner

    Are you kidding? This is exactly what Star Trek was about. Its a perfect combination.

  • Maxx

    Hey George and other liberal Trekkies, if you’re going to use the Star Trek brand to help your cause, might I remind you that every time Kirk beamed down to a planet, it wasn’t a DNC membership card that was set to stun and if memory serves me, those phasers damn sure didn’t have a “mag limit.”

    You can’t pick and choose your ST memories. Hypocrisy is not logical.

  • sqeptiq

    Odd that @DefendWallSt got all worked up. He’s a good guy. I’d agree it was cheesy if someone used the Star Trek logo to promote a political issue outside the show’s ethos, eg gun control or an increase in the estate tax, but marriage equality is very much in the Star Trek spirit inasmuch as human equality is at its core.

  • TocksNedlog

    Who died and made Bill O’Keefe the arbiter of all things Trek?

  • RblDiver

    Memory may be faulty, but I’m pretty sure Kirk got it on with green ladies, not green dudes…

  • Karla M

    Am a star trek fan, do not support redefining marriage

  • http://twitter.com/LadyLiberty1885 LL1885

    Every issue must be tied to pop culture now, thereby tainting the memories one has of said piece of pop culture. Got it.

    This is how we have come to have the Ashley Judd’s of the world running for office. Politics is now reality TV.

  • $30423294

    “Equality” is not a moral principle. It’s a mathematical operator.

    And as a mathematical operator it is a constraint.

    It means whatever happens to the left side of the equation must happen to the right side of the equation. We learn this in high school algebra.

    Thus, when the left side of the equation is miserable and depraved, the right hand side of the equation must be made miserable and depraved.

    By the force of law.

    This doesn’t sound like freedom. It sounds like the opposite of freedom.

    Which means that Soviet Style red equals sign is simply the latest in a long line of oppressive totalitarian symbols, like the hammer and sickle, and of course the swastika.

    Your fangs are showing, leftist blood suckers.

    • AWomaninTX

      The HRC’s blue & yellow “equal sign” logo is for equal rights. It was colored red for love, due to what is being addressed in the SCOTUS, not for a “Soviet Style” look.

      • $30423294

        I don’t think a color has an equivocal meaning.

        My college professor taught me that the connotative meaning of symbolic language is the source of its power.

        You can’t tell a poet what he meant by a certain word or image. You can only assimilate the word. The poet wants this.

        The color of blood is an ominous logo. I would have advised against it.

        • AWomaninTX

          I was just relaying what the organization stated themselves.

        • AWomaninTX

          I was just relaying what the organization stated themselves.

  • aliwilcox

    Gay marriage rights is not the final frontier. After this comes polygamy. After that I suppose family members will want incest rights. (Sarcasm, but my point is that 50 years ago, gay marriage was unfathomable. Who knows what is unfathomable today will become a demand tomorrow?)

  • $36544368

    “The needs of the many….outweigh….the needs of the few…or the one”…well, Mr. Sulu, many of us need the government to stop crawling up our keisters with a microscope…so if you want to use the ST brand for your opinion, then I can do the same with mine…and by the way, your lifestyle choice gives a whole new meaning to the words, ‘to boldly go where no man has gone before’…yikes!

  • http://www.facebook.com/luke.givens.963 Luke Givens

    Re: Matt Dawson: @DefendWallSt was far more rude and “intolerant” in his tweets than anyone who replied to him. So epic fail for ya there, buddy.

  • diskinetic

    I’m sure George feels pretty great about equality, as long as it doesn’t involve being red-shirted to the planet of styrofoam rocks to be bitten to death by a guy in a white ape costume.

    • TheOriginalDonald

      Picard and Riker wore red shirts

      • diskinetic

        Next generation, bub. Next Generation. They were also in a different Enterprise and made nice with a Klingon.

  • Michael_Brennick

    The Prime Directive forbade interference with marriage laws .

  • Michael_Brennick

    The Prime Directive forbade interference with marriage laws .

  • descolada9

    Takei has long been a gay nazi (yeah, I said nazi, get over it). He never misses an opportunity to support the homosexual agenda, which is his right, but also to be smarmy towards those who do not.

  • Jeffrey Olah

    the final frontier before the rapture

  • $18912735

    I don’t really have a care one way or the other regarding gay marriage – I don’t have a dog in this fight. But I don’t believe for a minute that this is the “final frontier”. I am certain that if gays get the right to gay marriage, they will immediately find another “final frontier” cause to be terminally offended about. Of this much, I am certain…

  • nc

    Funny how the OWS guy tweeting above has no problem with redefining marriage, but mess with Star Trek? Oh now you’ve gone too far!

  • des111168

    Oh, this isn’t the final frontier. More are coming. Polygamy, incest, even pedophilia. All will be coming sooner or later.

  • SpinMeNot

    Please show me proof that anybody arguing for the backward ass laws in Virginia can and did produce Biblical Scripture to support their position. You need to take a debate course, all you are providing is platitudes and talking points.

    With regard to gays and lesbians in committed relationship not having visitation rights, you lie. That was fixed, correctly so in 2010. Learn to find facts before making claims. It is one of the few things BHO has done for which I applaud him. April 16th, 2010.

    So we can now assume the rest of your claims are lies as well.

    Who is the ignorant one here. Go pound sand.

  • SpinMeNot

    Please provide a law in the US Federal code that applies unequally to homosexuals and heterosexuals. One law, its all I ask. There aren’t any. Now, just because you don’t like a law doesn’t mean that it applies differently to homosexuals than to heterosexuals.

    Now, if you talk about the fact that two backward ass rednecks make call a gay person some vile, hateful name — they can go to jail, a hate crime. But if a group of gay men beat a man nearly to death, its just normal battery, perhaps felony assault. That is in the eyes of the law. Who is getting special protection?

    You really need to step up your game child. Please try to stick to facts.

  • marylandman

    Who is the ignorant one here? You. Keep telling yourself your bigotry is justified. Gay marriage is inevitable old man, get over it.

    You’re the one who called me a b**** and said you would hit a woman. Then you told me where you live and challenged me to a fight. You clearly have issues with women and anger issues. I’d say it’s you who needs debate classes.

  • marylandman

    Thanks for flagging my post in which I referred to the fact that you called me a b****. What a “fair and balanced” website this is where my post gets deleted but your post in which you call me a b**** doesn’t. Seems very typical of the right. Just like when a non-partisan group came out with a statistics-based report that tax cuts don’t help the economy and only deepen income inequality. Did Republican Congressmen let facts get in the way of their ideology? NO! They prevented the report from being released. Just like how the NRA for years prevented gun violence statistics from being collected. Why? Because again, the facts wouldn’t fit their preconceived narrative. Pathetic.