Alicia Silverstone spouts nonsense about vaccines, pregnancy, and autism

Actress Alicia Silverstone is clueless not only about genetically-modified organisms, but also about vaccines.

From her website:

I know many of you have asked in the forum about whether vaccines are okay for our children, and there’s a lot of conflicting information out there about what age children should be when they receive specific vaccines, as well as whether kids should receive vaccines at all. Researchers have been debating a correlation between vaccines and autism for some time, and this study provides new evidence that vaccines given to pregnant women could be correlated with autism. 

[Emphasis added.]

Go ahead and click on the link provided by Silverstone.  Is it a JAMA or New England Journal of Medicine article? No, it’s a New York Times op-ed piece. The first two paragraphs read as follows:

In recent years, scientists have made extraordinary advances in understanding the causes of autism, now estimated to afflict 1 in 88 children. But remarkably little of this understanding has percolated into popular awareness, which often remains fixated on vaccines.

So here’s the short of it: At least a subset of autism — perhaps one-third, and very likely more — looks like a type of inflammatory disease. And it begins in the womb.

There is nothing in the article about vaccines causing autism. The  author’s point is that the risk of autism may be caused by an immune disorder, not by vaccines.

There was a study last fall that linked flu in pregnant women to increased risk of autism. That study, however, argues in favor of flu shots — not against them.

Doctors trying to find some of the causes of autism put another piece into the puzzle on Monday: They found women who had flu while they were pregnant were twice as likely to have a child later diagnosed with autism. Those who had a fever lasting a week or longer — perhaps caused by flu or maybe by something else — were three times as likely to have an autistic child.

The study of 96,000 children in Denmark raises as many questions as it answers. But it fits in with a growing body of evidence that suggests that, in at least some cases, something is going on with a mother’s immune system during pregnancy that affects the developing child’s brain. Health officials said the finding reinforces their recommendations that pregnant women should make sure to get flu shots.

[Emphasis added.]

And liberals say conservatives are the ones who aren’t committed to sound science.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1130629591 Mark Youngkin

    All three of our boys are on the autism spectrum. It DOES NOT MATTER why they are on the spectrum. I am weary with the speculation masquerading as sound science about why children come to be autistic. From all I can tell, nobody knows anything and just won’t admit it.

    • $36544368

      Right behind you…have a 25-year-old son on the autism spectrum as well. I’m tired of people telling me he has autism because of something he ate, something I ate, something he did, something I did, etc., ad nauseum. I had a perfect pregnancy – no drugs, smoking, drinking before my pregnancy, during my pregnancy, or after my pregnancy. His birth was completely picture-perfect and uneventful…go figure…he’s autistic…I got over it a long time ago. I wouldn’t change him for anything in the world. He’s a great kid, and I love him just as he is. Too many variables in the reasons for autism…and what appears to be the increase in kids being diagnosed is, in my green opinion, because they’re being scrutinized more carefully and a lot earlier. The criteria has changed…no matter…I’m just amazed at how many people think they’re experts on the matter that actually have no clue…my son spent 2 months at UCLA being diagnosed and tested, prodded and poked, and in hindsight, they missed a lot…his first seizure was diagnosed as the flu, etc…there are just too many variables for anyone to be an expert in the reasons behind autism. Actually I think parents are more expert than the ‘experts’ sometimes…

      • osteomed

        Well said dscomment99, in just about every thing you stated in your post. Make that, every thing you stated in your post, dscomment99.
        In the small town I live in, I realized a while ago that there are way too many children who live here, that have been diagnosed w/ autism, all at different levels.
        One child, who I adore, seemed to have gotten much better, by multiple levels, when someone very close to him, was eleminated from his life!! I also know a woman who’s sole job is to be around autistic children and teach them. She even admitts to this condition being way over diagnosed.

  • CatHerder

    That’s the trouble with quoting out of context, sooner or later some party-pooping b*****d supplies the context. The swine!

  • Vito Alexander Pavlovic

    Jay Gordon appears to be foolish himself!

  • Pat Loudoun

    Once again, the oldest trick in the book. Want to make boatloads of dough from autism? Expand the diagnosis! If there used to be 10 markers to look for, make it 25. Funding goes up.

    Bingo!

    Raise it to 40. Funding goes up. Bingo! Raise to 65 and you have a nice little crisis…

    Bingo! $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

    • Laurie Murdock

      If you knew a few people who suffer from this disorder, I don’t think you would be so quick to belittle them and their challenges.

      • Pat Loudoun

        I’m not at all surprised that you missed the point. It isn’t about the disorder. It’s about turning it into a money raising vehicle and a political football.

        Don’t you find it belittleing when the definition of a disorder is expanded for a purpose that has nothing to do with the disorder itself?

      • MimiReed1234

        I know many people who CLAIM to suffer from this disorder. 90% of diagnoses are just flat wrong. Your kid’s retarded? Throw an austism label on him! Weird? Must be autistic! A brat? We don’t label everyone ADHD anymore–that’s so 1980s! He’s autistic! Mentally disturbed? He’s not bipolar, he’s autistic! Learning disabled? Must be autism!

        My brother, who really IS autistic, has to pay through the nose for health insurance because people with mental illnesses are getting the autism diagnosis instead, making him appear at risk for all sorts of things that REAL autistics aren’t.

        The new DSM-IV will cut enormous numbers of so-called autistic kids from the diagnosis. Good riddance. People who actually have autism have real, specific needs that are NOT shared by the hundreds of thousands of people who never should have gotten the label.

  • Vito Alexander Pavlovic

    Jay Gordon, is bragging about his MD self, yet he knows less than the average housewife when it comes to the dangers of vaccines, I will give Alicia Silvarstone the advantage over quacks such as so called medical experts as Gordon likes to call himself!

  • SCinGB

    There’s plenty that I disagree with Alicia Silverstone on. With that being said, I do question the conventional wisdom that it’s perfectly fine to load so many chemicals into our children’s systems at such a young age. We vaccinate, but we don’t do all of them and not all at one time. In the end, I am responsible for my children and will do what I believe is in their best interest.

    • Ken Alan Draper

      Chemicals? we’re talking about vaccines here, not chemicals. vaccines are virus’s that have beencultured, grown & killed off in a lab, they inject them into you so your immune system can adapt antibodies to kill the virus. giving your immune system a sneak peek at a threat. so when you get exposed to viable virus’s your body already has antibodies that can kill them.

      • SCinGB

        Is everything in a vaccine a dead virus? How would you categorize formaldehyde, thimerosal & aluminum?

        What about aborted fetal cells? Those are in vaccines too. http://www.immunizationinfo.org/issues/vaccine-components/human-fetal-links-some-vaccines

        • Kimmy84

          Formaldehyde – you mean the same formaldehyde that’s produced by the body? How can it be dangerous (esp. in minute amounts) when it is part of the body’s chemical system?

          Thimerosal – has been removed from all infant vaccines since the turn of the millenia. Do try to keep up.

          Aluminum – you get a lot more from cooking in one of those ubiquitous aluminum cooking pans.

          And “aborted fetal cells” are NOT in vaccines. One fetal cell line was used to develop a vaccine. But that doesn’t mean the actual cells are in the shot.

          • Marlene Duke

            ***14 of the
            vaccines on the Vaccine Ingredients from the CDC website contain Thimerosol. DTaP (Tri-Pedia), DTap/HiB (Tri-Hibit), DT
            (sanofi), Hep B (Enerix-B), Hep A/Hep B
            (TwinRix), 4 Influenza (Fluarix, FluLaval, FluVirin and Fluzone), Japanese
            Encephalitis (JE-Vax),
            Meningococcal (Menomune), Rabies (Bio-Rab), TD (Decavac), and TD
            (Massachusetts). Meningococcal (Menomune) According to the FDA, thimerasol is 50% mercury. Symptoms of mercury toxicity match those of
            autism. Note that thimerosal
            is extremely toxic by all routes of administration. There is no safe level of
            exposure.

            According to the Eli Lilly Material Safety Data Sheet: Thimerasol is Toxic.
            Mutagen. Irritant (eyes). Allergen. Nervous System and Reproductive
            Effects. Caution Statement: Thimerosal is toxic,
            alters genetic material, may be irritating to the eyes, and causes allergic
            reactions. Effects of exposure may include numbness of extremities, fetal
            changes, decreased offspring survival, and lung tissue changes. Thimerosal contains mercury.
            Mercury poisoning may occur and topical hypersensitivity reactions may be seen.
            Early signs of mercury poisoning in adults are nervous system effects,
            including narrowing of the visual field and numbness in the extremities. Exposure to mercury in utero
            and in children may cause mild to severe mental retardation and mild to severe
            motor coordination impairment.

            * 0.5
            parts per billion (ppb) mercury = Kills human neuroblastoma cells (Parran et al.,
            Toxicol Sci 2005; 86: 132-140).

            * 2 ppb mercury = U.S. EPA limit for drinking water
            (http://www.epa.gov/safewater/contaminants/index.html#mcls).

            * 20 ppb mercury = Neurite membrane structure
            destroyed (Leong et al., Neuroreport 2001; 12: 733-37)

            * 200 ppb mercury = level
            in liquid the EPA
            classifies as hazardous waste (http://www.des.umd.edu/hw/rest/manual/codes.html)

            *300
            ppb mercury= level of mercury in flu shots that do not contain a live
            virus.

            * 600 ppb mercury = Level
            in a currently licensed
            Hepatitis B, multi-dose vaccine vial, labeled as trace. This is
            administered at birth.

            * 25,000 ppb mercury = Concentration
            of mercury in multi-dose,
            Hepatitis B vaccine vials, administered at birth from 1990-2000 in the
            U.S. Not administered at birth in any other developed country.

            * 50,000 ppb mercury (25
            mcg per dose) = Concentration of mercury in DTaP and Haemophilus B vaccine administered 8
            times in the 1990′s to children at 2, 4, 6, 12 and 18 months of age. Current “preservative” level mercury in flu,
            meningococcal and tetanus (7 and older) vaccines.

            “A
            small dose of mercury that kills 1 in 100 rats and a dose of aluminum that will
            kill 1 in 100 rats, when combined have a striking effect: all the rats die.
            Doses of mercury that have a 1 percent mortality will have a 100 percent
            mortality rate if some aluminum is there.” – Donald Miller, M.D. Professor of
            Surgery, university of Washington.

          • MimiReed1234

            Water is also toxic. Deadly toxic, if you drink too much. Electrolyte imbalances can cause confusion, brain damage, and death.

            Your argument holds just as much weight.

          • http://www.facebook.com/alice.w.wasney Alice Warning Wasney

            Symptoms of mercury toxicity do not match those of autism. Thats’ simply false. Thimerosal is 50% mercury *by weight*, not by volume, and it doesn’t matter anyway, since the only amounts in any vaccine but some flu shots (and you can choose those without) are traces left over from manufacture. Not enough to make any difference, even *if* they remain in there. Including that whole list of vaccines, with no explanation, is disingenuous at best, scare tactics to puff up the numbers. Any infant *might* receive three of those. Four if you include influenza.

        • osteomed

          No SCinGB, there is also attenuated viral vaccinations, most vaccines are . Attenuated viral vaccines contain viruses that are “beat up”. In other words, it is that particular virus w/out its harmful charactoristics and can do no harm to us.
          There are also vaccines that contain prominent viral particles, also. Again, not the hazardous elements of the virus but the markers that would ID the virus.

      • Laurie Murdock

        You really should check your science. Many many preservatives are put into vaccines, including mercury (still in small dose) and others.

    • Will P.

      I repsectfully have to disagree with you on the issue of vaccines just by looking at the numbers.

      Measles: In 1953 essentially 100% of the population contracted measles with 450 deaths. Now (2011) there were 222 cases.

      Mumps: Before the vaccine was developed, there were 300,000 cases annually, in 2001 there were 266

      Polio: Before the vaccine, 13,000 to 20,000 in the US alone, in 2012 there were 187 cases WORLDWIDE.

      Prenatal Rubella (causing Congenital Rubella Syndrome): Before the vaccine, 20,000, in 2011, SIX total.

      Hib (A serious cause of bacterial meningitis): Before the vaccine, 20,000, in 1994, 800 cases.

      Pneumococcal infections (both pneumonia and meningitis) 63,000 with 6,100 dead. in 2010 less than 15,000 cases.

      Tetanus: Before the vaccine, 1,314 cases (20% fatal). After 41 total cases.

      I will be the last one to attempt to tell another parent what they should put in their child’s bodies and immune systems, but the facts are clearly evident that before widespread vaccines, especially before the 1930s, childhood mortality and morbidity was very high due to these “childhood illnesses” and now it is almost unknown to hear of someone contracting one of these.

      Oh, and by the way, adding all of these numbers up you get 424,314 total cases. Autism, according to the CDC was 1% prevalence in the US most of which appears to be genetic (i.e. twin studies) which leads to a number of 41,306 cases. A lot, but less than a tenth of what we would see without vaccines.

      • SCinGB

        Thanks for the reply, Will. Most of the diseases you listed are the things we do vaccinate for. It’s hard as a parent to weigh the pros & cons of certain vaccinations, but those are certainly major diseases that we don’t want coming around here.

        On the other hand, there have been many reports of the H1N1 vaccine causing miscarriages in pregnant women. Children who were vaccinated with it are now being diagnosed with narcolepsy. I was heavily pressured to get this vaccination when I was pregnant in the fall of 2009. I’m glad I didn’t. http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/news/fullstory_134389.html

        Next up, Gardasil. Which the gov’t is heavily promoting, to in essence save our sons & daughters from themselves, since they couldn’t possibly practice abstinence or use a condom if they do have sex. This vaccine has been linked to quite a few deaths of teen girls and to a recent case of a 16 yr old Australian girl undergoing premature ovarian failure from it. Just wait, this will be a mandated vaccine soon. Some states are already trying to push this through.

        • http://www.facebook.com/alice.w.wasney Alice Warning Wasney

          With all due respect, the stories of H1N1 vaccine causing miscarriage are just that, stories. In fact, the rate of miscarriage happening to women who get that flu vaccine is no higher, and may be lower, than the base rate in the population. If the vaccine were causing miscarriage it would be noticeably higher.
          As for Gardasil, again, there is no evidence that the serious adverse events reported ‘after’ Gardasil vaccination are a ‘result’ of the vaccination. The vaccine has been causally linked to no deaths, and in the case of that Australian girl, there is no evidence of a link. Our sons and daughters can practice safe sex. That’s still no guarantee of protection against HPV. Are you willing to risk your child’s safety or life over one mistake or bad choice? Or someone else’s bad choice? It only takes one contact.

        • MimiReed1234

          H1N1 is in EVERY flu vaccine in the US and has been for a long time. And there are NO studies that indicate that children who get the flu vaccine in the US are more likely to be narcoleptic or anything else. In addition, the study for the British vax is BUNK. A 95% confidence interval means that 1 in 20 studies will be flatly wrong. All you have to do if you want to “prove” something is run enough variations of a study until SOMETHING gains statistical significance. This is why the study was only published for children–not the population–for ONE PARTICULAR YEAR–not for all years or even any other years. If you look at, say, 50 diagnoses over 15 years among 6 population subsets, you WILL be able to make not one but multiple flat wrong claims. It’s how probability works.

          Also, it is flatly impossible for Guardasil to cause premature ovarian failure. IMPOSSIBLE. POF happens to millions of women a year at various ages–in fact, some women never have functional ovaries at all. (Primary amenorrhea is the diagnosis.) That 16-y-o also rode in cars,but riding in cars didn’t cause her condition, either. The fact is that HPV can be spread through more than sex–you can get it from sharing a drink with someone. It’s not only a leading cause of cervical cancer but the leading cause, aside from tobacco, of throat cancers, as well.

      • osteomed

        Will, you just recanted what it is that medicine has brought to the world… Medicines single most greatest achievement it has given to the world, IS VACCINATIONS! We have stamped out sure death, globally from these horrific infections, including small pox, which I failed to see on that accurate list.
        But truth of the matter is, we have not added murcury to these vaccinations for over 25 years (used as a preservative, and deomonized to be the cause of autism) and still the number of cases of autism remain the same, at 1% of our country’s population.
        As a matter of fact, and unknow to the vast majority, 1% of every culture in every nation, also shows similar stats when it comes to autism ,one percent of them express Autism. And, many of these nations aren’t vaccinated, yet still show autism rates at 1% of that culture..
        This points heavily to autism having a genetic component, absent of any Scientific studies.

        • Laurie Murdock

          SOME people postulated that mercury was the cause; mostly those trying to bring cases outside the vaccine court. Just as many people believe the danger is in the introduction of live virus, etc. into newborns . But you are incorrect about the time frame in which mercury has been eliminated from vaccines. It is much shorter. But in truth there is still some mercury in vaccines, and there are other toxic chemicals as well. The overall effect of the large doses of these chemicals (considering the current vaccine schedule) has never been tested, and has never been proven safe.

          • MimiReed1234

            What “large doses?” You mean an amount of mercury that is a tiny, tiny fraction of what your kid gets in his tuna salad? Or, if you are brreastfeeding, a tiny fraction of what your kid gets through the milk he drinks when you had tuna that night?

            Of COURSE there are studies of “these chemicals”–individual assessments and ongoing tracking.

          • osteomed

            Laurie, while in Med school, we were informed that mercury had been eliminated from vaccines, almost ten years prior. I was trying to add the time from that lecture till now. And at second glance, to be more accurate, it’s closer to being just over 20 years. Twenty years, Laurie, and in that time frame, the incidence of children in this country, w/ autism has not differed. So I guess we’ll keep hunting for another demond to pin blame on, instead of accepting the fact that maybe some of us were born w/ a condition, as I am too, w/out any one in both of my family lines having the same.
            But still, we MUST study and investigate to find the reasoning or cause…as a scientist, I will always admit that.

          • Marlene Duke

            mercury is still in 14 vaccines. Do your homework. DTaP
            (Tri-Pedia), DTap/HiB (Tri-Hibit), DT (sanofi), Hep B (Enerix-B), Hep A/Hep B (TwinRix), 4
            Influenza (Fluarix, FluLaval, FluVirin and Fluzone), Japanese Encephalitis
            (JE-Vax), Meningococcal
            (Menomune), Rabies (Bio-Rab), TD
            (Decavac), and TD (Massachusetts). Meningococcal (Menomune)

            It is listed as an ingredient in the vaccine package inserts, and on the CDC website. Some of the flu vaccines contain 25 mcg of mercury which equals 50,000 ppb.

            * 0.5
            parts per billion (ppb) mercury = Kills human neuroblastoma cells (Parran et al.,
            Toxicol Sci 2005; 86: 132-140).

            * 2 ppb mercury = U.S. EPA limit for drinking water
            (http://www.epa.gov/safewater/contaminants/index.html#mcls).

            * 20 ppb mercury = Neurite membrane structure
            destroyed (Leong et al., Neuroreport 2001; 12: 733-37)

            * 200 ppb mercury = level
            in liquid the EPA
            classifies as hazardous waste (http://www.des.umd.edu/hw/rest/manual/codes.html)

            *300
            ppb mercury= level of mercury in flu shots that do not contain a live
            virus.

            * 600 ppb mercury = Level
            in a currently licensed
            Hepatitis B, multi-dose vaccine vial, labeled as trace. This is
            administered at birth.

            * 25,000 ppb mercury = Concentration
            of mercury in multi-dose,
            Hepatitis B vaccine vials, administered at birth from 1990-2000 in the
            U.S. Not administered at birth in any other developed country.

            * 50,000 ppb mercury (25
            mcg per dose) = Concentration of mercury in DTaP and Haemophilus B vaccine administered 8
            times in the 1990′s to children at 2, 4, 6, 12 and 18 months of age. Current “preservative” level mercury in flu,
            meningococcal and tetanus (7 and older) vaccines.

          • http://www.facebook.com/alice.w.wasney Alice Warning Wasney

            ppb is a measure of volume. How much volume is there in a vaccine dose? About a tenth of a teaspoon. ppb is completely irrelevant, just a scare tactic by the antivaccine movement. Any thimerosal listed in childhood vaccines, except for some flu vaccines, is only used in manufacture, and is removed before packaging. The package inserts list *trace* amounts, because it’s barely possible that some tiny traces don’t get filtered out. Even that tiny amount, IF it’s there, is gone from the child’s body in a few days.

          • http://www.facebook.com/alice.w.wasney Alice Warning Wasney

            The order to remove thimerosal was in 1998, and the stores of vaccines that included it were used up by 2001. Still long enough for the difference to show if thimerosal were causative for autism, which it isn’t.

          • osteomed

            Laurie, the time frame in which mercury was eliminated from vaccines, was not, much shorter than 25 years. And you cherry picking a portion of a much much longer statement I made, may speak volumes about yourself.
            Truth is, there is no intelligent arguement to what I said about Medicine’s/Science’s gift to the world… The developement of vaccinations and therefor, the multitudes of lives that were saved, throughout time, since.

          • http://www.facebook.com/alice.w.wasney Alice Warning Wasney

            Thimerosal, which is a mercury compound, not pure mercury, was removed from childhood vaccines by 2001. There is nothing in any vaccine,nor in the entire schedule, that is toxic in the amounts included. And yes, the overall effect has been tested, as has each vaccine, and combinations of vaccines.

      • Marlene Duke

        This is a favorite argument for provaxers. Take a year or so just before the vaccine came out and tell the rates, then tell the rates after the vaccine. But they forget to go even further back before their first rate and show how the illness rate dropped 95-98% before that rate. So tell me how did the illness rates drop 95-98% before the vaccine came out? YOu can look at all the illnesses and all the statistics and see this trend. So when you are telling us the rates before and after the vaccines….do not forget to mention that the rates dropped drastically before the vaccine came out. How did the rates of polio drop? The same year that they came out with the vaccine, they changed the criteria for polio so that most of the previous polio cases no longer qualified as having polio and the new cases no longer qualified. Some of the names given to the new criteria are MS, hand foot and mouth disease, aseptic meningitis, Guillain-Barre syndrome, muscular dystrophy, Coxsackie ,Chronic Fatigue Syndrome. As the numbers of polio cases decreased, the numbers in these other illnesses increased dramatically. In 1956, the health authorities instructed doctors that they were in future only to diagnose polio if a patient has paralytic symptoms for 60 days or more. As polio was diagnosed previously if there were just 24 hours of paralytic symptoms, and as the disease in milder cases frequently lasted less than 60 days, this automatically meant vastly fewer cases of polio would be reported.

        Furthermore, it was now decreed that all cases of polio occurring within 30 days of vaccination were to be recorded, not as possibly caused by the vaccine, but as ‘pre-existing’. This regulatory change also ensured that far fewer cases of vaccine failure would be recorded.

        Another regulatory change had an even greater impact. Most polio diagnoses during the epidemics had not involved paralysis but muscular weakness and widespread pain. In many cases this was produced by inflammation of the membrane that protects the brain and spinal neuron cells. The CDC described such cases as ‘serious but rarely fatal’.But doctors were now instructed that all such cases must no longer be diagnosed as polio but as viral or aseptic meningitis! The Los Angeles County health authority explained: ‘Most cases reported prior to July 1 1958 of non-paralytic poliomyelitis are now reported as viral or aseptic meningitis’ in accordance with instructions from Washington.’

        As a result, the number of cases of meningitis diagnosed went from near zero to many thousands while polio came down equivalently. Between 1951 and 1960 in the United States 70,083 cases of non-paralytic polio were diagnosed – and zero cases of aseptic meningitis. But under the new diagnostic rules this was reversed. Over the next twenty years over 100,000 cases of aseptic meningitis were diagnosed and only 589 cases of ‘non-paralytic polio’.

        Extraordinarily, non-paralytic cases were now to be renamed as meningitis even if the poliovirus were present! In future, the reported figures for polio were officially to exclude ‘cases of aseptic meningitis due to poliovirus or other enteroviruses.’

        These changes did not go entirely unnoticed. Dr Bernard Greenberg, then head of the Department of Biostatistics at the University of North Carolina, testified at a 1962 Congressional hearing that infantile paralysis cases had increased after the introduction of the vaccine by 50% from 1957 to 1958, and by 80% from 1958 to 1959. He concluded that US health officials had manipulated the statistics to give entirely the opposite impression.

        This change was not only in the US. In Canada, the Dominion Bureau of Statistics issued in June 1959 an official bulletin entitled Poliomyelitis Trends, 1958. This noted; ‘data shown in this report are confined to paralytic poliomyelitis only. It may be noted that the Dominion Council of Health at its 74th meeting in October 1958 recommended that for the purposes of national reporting and statistics the term non-paralytic poliomyelitis be replaced by ‘meningitis, viral or aseptic,’‘ They also now allowed for other viruses to be found in polio cases, saying that these ‘ specific viruses [should be] shown where known.’ When they were found, these cases also were said not to be polio.

        But this reclassification of polio cases seemingly did not satisfy the regulatory authorities. Apparently there were still too many cases of the worst kind of polio, ‘paralytic polio’ – so it was finally decided that these cases must also be removed from the polio case registry, thus eliminating nearly all the remaining cases of polio in the world – giving the vaccine a stunning and utterly fraudulent victory.

        This was achieved by announcing that in future all patients with the classic polio paralytic symptoms were to be diagnosed initially as having ‘Acute Flaccid Paralysis (AFP)’ and thus reported to the regulatory authorities. Samples of two turds from the patient must also be sent in to them. These turds would be inspected to see if the poliovirus was in them. If not, then these cases are to be declared not polio – no matter that the children have all the classic symptoms, the distress and pain found in the worst polio cases during the great US polio epidemics.

        This astonishingly revealed that the ‘poliovirus’ is rarely to be found in these paralysed children. Logically, one would think that this would force the health authorities to conclude that the virus could not be the cause of polio – but it seems they were more interested in fabricating a victory.

        Thus they triumphantly declare large parts of the world polio free, even where AFP is common, and give the credit for this solely to the vaccine and its manufacturers, as well as to Sabin and Salk. I did not know how to characterize this except as an incredible act of medical fraud. I struggle to find any excuses for those involved. It begun in the 1950s but, I am afraid to say, it is still continuing.

        This has had the most serious of consequences. One of these is that the power to diagnose polio has been completely taken away from ordinary doctors. Before 1958 they were taught to diagnose ‘paralytic polio’ as they did other diseases – by observing specific symptoms, particularly acute paralysis and great pain. But doctors are now instructed not to look for the poliovirus itself, as ‘the virus is very hard to find.’ Instead this task is to be left to WHO and the other governmental agencies that inspect turds. This would be comical if it were not so tragically deceptive.

        Under these new rules, patients previously diagnosed with paralytic polio were re-diagnosed. When patients in Detroit, diagnosed as having paralytic polio during a 1958 epidemic, were re-tested as required by the new rule, 49% of them were found not to have poliovirus and therefore told they did not have polio.

        In 2011, India claimed that they were now officially polio free, yet according to WHO, there were over 46,000 cases of Acute flaccid paralysis (all after being given the oral polio vaccine).

        • Marlene Duke

          According to the CDC: 95% of cases of polio show no symptoms at all, 4% have flu like symptoms, 1 % has paralysis, 5-10% of that 1% ends in death. So tell me how many people walking around today might have polio and not have any symptoms? How many of the flu cases today might be polio? We won’t know because they have “eradicated” polio so they do not test for it.

        • http://www.facebook.com/alice.w.wasney Alice Warning Wasney

          Once again, you’re confusing mortality with morbidity. Death rates with illness rates. Yes, deaths from some of those diseases were dropping before the vaccine came out, because of modern medicine (which most antivaxxers also demonize), but incidence rates were not, and death is not the only adverse effect of disease. Measles, for example, can cause deafness, vision problems, encephalitis, SSPE. Congenital Rubella Syndrome is essentially gone from the U.S. as a direct result of rubella vaccination of children.

    • MimiReed1234

      “Chemicals.” Seriously, your argument is “chemicals?” Do you even know what that word means?

      Please provide to me an example of a pure substance that is not a chemical.

  • thekytikat

    I have three kids on the autism spectrum, and am a firm believer that Vaccines do indeed play a role in autism. I believe that a large segment of people we call autistic are actually Vaccine-injured, but the symptoms mimic autism. Did you realize that there is human DNA in some vaccines? Seriously. Why should I trust the same govt who is trying to take away my 2A rights when they tell me that vaccines are perfectly safe, despite evidence they are not? I won’t. My kids got vaccinated. If i could go back in time, knowing what I do, I would NOT vaccinate them.

    Now I’m not saying it is all vaccines fault. And believe it or not, I’m NOT Anti-Vax. I think that the current vax schedule drops too many vaccines into little babies at once. Babies are often getting anywhere from 5-9 different vaccines in one office visit. That is ALOT for an immature immune system to handle. The current Vax schedule is ridiculous!

    I believe that it is a combination of decades of vaccines given to successive generations that are transforming the very DNA of some people (and yes, I have evidence that drugs can change the DNA of people’s offspring). I also believe that genetics play a role – in that autism & vaccine sensitivity can run in certain families. Environment is also a factor. There is research in the autism community that proves that all 3 things DO play a role. But any research proving the link to vaccines gets pooh-poohed and discredited because the companies that make the vaccines pour ALOT of money into DC. Don’t be fooled. Do your own research. Talk to some of us parents of autistic kids — and btw, I’m autistic myself. I have Asperger’s Syndrome form of Autism, and research is my thing.

    The research is out there. Like Ronald Reagan said, trust but verify.

    • conservativemomma

      I agree with Ronald Reagan LOL! It seems like the medical community wants to run after your kids with a needle filled with the latest greatest vaccine. I encourage every parent to tread gently and research before handing over their 2 hr infant to the needle

    • http://www.facebook.com/alice.w.wasney Alice Warning Wasney

      The vaccines a child gets in one office visit, or even the vaccines the child gets in total, account for much less, magnitudes less, than the antigens that same child is exposed to every hour, from birth on. A baby’s immune system is capable of handling much more than any vaccine throws at it. If it weren’t, none of us would survive our first week of life.

      • MimiReed1234

        Kneejerk reaction is, unfortunately, impervious to actual facts.

    • http://Twitter.com/jkerrysforehead John Kerry’s Forehead

      If 100% of kids are vax’d why only 1% autistic? And if you are autistic, does it stand to reason your genetics play a role in your kids autism? I don’t know, I am not a scientist. Just asking questions from a Lehman’s POV.

      • thekytikat

        Did you miss where I said this: “Now I’m not saying it is all vaccines fault. And believe it or not, I’m NOT Anti-Vax.” ???

        Or where I said this: ” I also believe that genetics play a role – in that autism & vaccine sensitivity can run in certain families. ” ??

        • kellymbray

          Since you don’t accept the overwhelming scientific research showing vaccines have nothing to do with autism…yes, you are antivax

        • kellymbray

          Since you don’t accept the overwhelming scientific research showing vaccines have nothing to do with autism…yes, you are antivax

      • Laurie Murdock

        Because, as almost everyone recognizes, genetics play a role. Any drug has possible side effects. Not everyone suffers from the side effect. Get it?

    • MimiReed1234

      I have a brother who is autistic, and I firmly believe that 90%+ of those being labeled “austic spectrum” now are either simply weird, have a completely unrelated disability, or are uncontrolled brats.

      No, there is no “research in the autism community” that demonstrates this. There is, however, delusion in the diagnosed community, most of whom, THANK GOODNESS, will no longer be able to claim the autistic label now that the new DSM-IV is out. I will be happy when all these fakers go AWAY and get some other wastebasket label to stick on their kids.

  • Tracey Seth

    While I won’t be running to A.S. defense over much, I will say I lean the same way she does when it comes to vaccination.

    When I became a mother in the late 80s and had five kids between 1988 and 1995 the vaccination schedule was no where nearly as crazy as it is now. When you have governments mandating vaccination for relatively mild diseases (a.k.a. chicken pox) and then saying out the other side of their mouth that it’s a deadly disease, then it makes me raise my eyebrow. I’ve had 4 kids with CP and had them myself. It was no big whoop and mostly an inconveinence and not deadly by any stretch of the imagination.

    And then, when you have state governments trying to mandate a fairly new vaccination for cervical cancer…and then find out the cost is a WHOPPING $600 for the 3 shot series, seriously, WTF are we supposed to think?

    No money in vaccinations, my eye. Government mandate is less and less about disease pervention and all about big, fat profit.

    And don’t lecture me about herd immunity or my obligations to my fellow man. Sorry, my obligation does not consist of going against my deeply pro-life stance regarding human proteins found in MMR and varicella, or injecting unknown materials and harmful elements into my kids. Forget it….YOU protect your kids by injecting them with that crap if you want….I’m not doing it.

    • annoyinglittletwerp

      I was born in 1970. Vaccines have NOTHING to do with AS.

      • Karl H

        83 families already compensated by the Federal Government for vaccine related Autism and the Courts who heard those cases might just disagree. Just saying there are two sides to the story.

        • http://www.facebook.com/alice.w.wasney Alice Warning Wasney

          No, no families compensated FOR vaccine related autism. 83 children who are autistic compensated for an adverse reaction to a vaccine which did not cause their autism. The ‘vaccine court’ which heard those cases would absolutely agree with annoyinglittletwerp, as they have ruled that vaccines are not causal for autism.

        • annoyinglittletwerp

          No-there’s not. Had I not been vaccinated, I would STILL have Asperger’s. After I was diagnosed-I started do my own research into what I’d been gifted with and what might have caused it. The evidence points to genetics-and in my case-trauma during birth/prior to birth. It was NEVER pointed to vaccines because vaccines don’t cause autism!

    • Michelle

      When experts speak of fatalities due to chicken pox, they are usually referring to adults. While usually harmless in children (other than a risk of the sores getting a bacterial infection), chicken pox have been known to be fatal in adults, particularly males. If I had young kids, it’s probably a vaccine I would skip. When I was a kid (in the late 60’s early 70’s) our mothers made us be around whichever kid had the chicken pox so we’d all get it, get it done and over with.

      • MimiReed1234

        Except that if you get chicken pox as a child, you are forever susceptible to shingle. And, yes, it DOES kill and blind children every year.

        • Michelle

          I said “usually” In fact, I said it twice. I didn’t say children never die of chickenpox, I said chickenpox have been known to be fatal in adults, more so than in children. The virus is more severe when contracted by an adult, more symptoms and more complications. The mortality rate for chickenpox is higher for adults than it is for children. That’s not my opinion, that’s scientific fact. Obviously anyone who has had chickenpox is at risk for shingles, but shingles aren’t deadly and there’s a vaccine for that, too.

          • http://www.facebook.com/alice.w.wasney Alice Warning Wasney

            Actually, shingles can be deadly, and can also cause herpetic neuralgia, excruciating nerve pain, for months after the original infection clears up. Not to mention that shingles can cause blindness.

          • Michelle

            Never said they didn’t cause blindness, I was talking about them causing death. Shingles do not cause death. Shingles complicate and worsen OTHER medical problems in people with immune deficiency and can worsen a case of pneumonia. People die of the illness that was worsened by having shingles, they do not die of shingles alone. It’s the same as HIV. No one dies from having HIV, they die from the disease that can spawn from having HIV, such as AIDS and even then their cause of death is whatever disease/infection they contracted but weren’t able to resolve due to AIDS compromising their immune system. If a person contracts pneumonia that is made severely worse by also having shingles, their cause of death is listed as pneumonia. Shingles in and of itself does not cause death.

        • Marlene Duke

          The incidence of shingles in children has increased since the chic pox vaccine was introduced. Why is that? Because they are injecting chick pox into the child.

          • http://www.facebook.com/alice.w.wasney Alice Warning Wasney

            Why is that? The answer is, it hasn’t. Some 20% of all cases of shingles were occurring in children, even before the vaccine. There is evidence that children who get the vaccine won’t get shingles later in life.

      • osteomed

        I agree Michele, but it is the children who wind up w/ respritory chicken pox who at risk of dying. We can only support their symptoms and not care for the actual virus. But there are now antivirals that may turn that situation around.
        I think what may have been further avoided w/ the chicken pox vaccine, is the possibility of contracting shingles, later in life, if one wasn’t introduced or quickly defeated the varcella-zoster virus, due to a varcilla vaccination.
        A case of shingles that affects the optic nerve (the cranial nerve innervating the eye) could lend to mortality and morbidity. Herpes Zoster (shingles)encephilitis can progress from this and could cause death.

    • Laurie Murdock

      It is interesting to note that when Jonas Salk introduced the first effective polio vaccine to the public in 1955, he GAVE it to us. He did not patent it or try to own it or charge ridiculous sums for it. In fact, other than his normal pay for his work, I don’t think he profited at all. Wjen asked if he owned the patent, he stated that there was no patent, — could you get a patent on the sun?

      • Marlene Duke

        Dr. Jonas Salk, creator of the polio vaccine, says that
        analysis indicates that the live virus vaccine in use since the 1960’s is the
        principle, if not sole cause of all polio cases since 1961.”Polio was
        pretty obscure before the twentieth century. There’d been some outbreaks in the
        eighteenth and nineteenth centuries, and most victims had been under the age of
        four”.

        In 1977, Dr. Jonas Salk, who developed the first polio
        vaccine, testified along with other scientists that mass inoculation against
        polio was the cause of most polio cases through the USA since 1961. Science,
        April 4, 1977, “Abstracts”

        • http://www.facebook.com/alice.w.wasney Alice Warning Wasney

          Marlene, you do realize that’s a non-existent quotation, right? There is no evidence of it anywhere except, in that exact form, on antivaccine sites and in antivaccine arguments.
          Beside which, we no longer use the OPV in the U.S. and before too long it won’t have to be used anywhere, as polio is well on its way to being eradicated as a result of vaccination.

    • Michelle

      There is no vaccine for cervical cancer. The vaccine is for HPV (Human Papillomavirus). Having HPV greatly increases a woman’s chance of getting cervical cancer, but the vaccine is for avoiding getting HPV. There is no vaccine to avoid getting cervical cancer and not every woman who has/had cervical cancer has HPV. I’ve had cervical cancer and after three rounds of testing, not one sign of having HPV. Please be careful how you word that, young girls getting the HPV vaccine are being protected against getting HPV, which only decreases their chances of getting cervical cancer, not totally avoid it.

  • bri

    Since when is it a problem to question the government? I waited untill my kids were older before I ok’d some shots. Horrible to shootup a baby with so many shots at once. How many kids with Autisum have never had a shot?

    • AlmaAlma

      That’s an interesting question.

    • osteomed

      bri, appoximately 1% of every culture of every society has autism. So you may be able to extrapilate, how many kids in those societies have autism w/out ever having a vaccination.
      Autism is a genetic deformity, so found when we mapped out the Human gentic code.

    • http://www.facebook.com/alice.w.wasney Alice Warning Wasney

      Interesting strawman, but nobody has said it’s not okay to question the government. The problem is, most people advising you to avoid vaccines are not just questioning. They’ve gotten wrong answers from spurious sources and they’re spreading that information around as if it’s factual.

  • annoyinglittletwerp

    Not another one. I’ve been gifted with Asperger’s ONLY because I was suffocating in the womb for a few days before I was born. That is the ONLY reason that I’m AS. *I also should have my TX CHL in-hand by the end of next month. I pray that I never have to put it to ‘use’. Aspies support the second amendment too!*

  • Katie Smith

    This, coming from a woman who feeds her child by SPITTING HER OWN FOOD INTO HIS MOUTH. Enough said.

  • cptacek

    If a vaccine is shown to be a cause of a medical problem, the person who was injured can apply to the VICP program to get compensated. Up to $350,000. Those who are pushing this “vaccines cause …whatever…” are angling to get on that gravy train.

    • SCinGB

      Or, maybe we’re worried that an unnecessary vaccine could permanently harm our children. Yeah. Maybe that’s it.

      I have a son on the spectrum, and not once did I say that vaccines caused it. Autism most likely comes from a combination of genetics and environment. Like many things, we don’t know which combinations produce what. So while Mr. Twerp’s asperger’s came from suffocating in the womb, that doesn’t mean that all asperger’s cases come from the same thing.

      I’m not 100% anti vax, nor 100% for it. I just want to be informed and I take umbrage that people would call me a kook or a money grubber because I have a differing opinion on the vaccination decisions I’m making for my children.

      • Larry G.

        you just really said how i feel !

      • cptacek

        If you don’t blame the vaccine, then obviously you aren’t the kind of person I’m talking about. Read my comment again.

  • Larry G.

    i dont understand why twitchy keeps posting all these articles to her trying to make it seem like she’s the dumbest person in the world, especially the GMO article in which she was called a “dingbat”. it should be apparent from the comments that many people have the same fears as her, whether rightly or wrongly, and i dont think its fair to label so many as clueless dingbats.

    furthermore twitchy was shown to be very supportive of Michelle Bachmann who also had worries about vaccines but i didnt see a rush to try and make her out to be a “liberal idiot”.

  • Karl H

    I know where I stand on both vaccines and GMO’s and it is no ones damn business but my own. A person has the right to decide for themselves after they can make an informed choice of what to put into their body or not put into their body. A vaccine can not be removed once it has been put in and that is the simple truth of it all. My children so far are not vaccinated and I reserve the option to selectively vaccinate based on the risk I feel as a parent my children are exposed to. I hope to allow them to be part of the decisions as much as possible as the bodies they have are theirs and I am only a steward for a short time. It is probably best that I do not make poor decisions based on fear mongering from either side of this issue.

    If you disagree with nanny Bloomberg telling you how much soda you can drink why on earth would you agree with nanny Rick Perry or Nanny Barack Obama or Nanny AMA telling you what pharmaceuticals you must put in your children’s bodies or your own body?

    Based on the title of this thread it would seem there is a bit of Nanny state liberal a$$hat in everyone including the twitchy staff. It is fine to hold your beliefs but do not try to shame or mock others into marching lock step with your world view unless of course you’re the kind of person who likes to call those who do not march to your particular drum a “token” or “uncle Tom”

    Sorry folks on this one the twitchy team has definitely mastered the art of fail. They should have left the Alynski to the leftists and tried a different approach. The world already has McCain and Rove, and neither are very popular with independent minded people who value personal liberty.

    And just so we are clear the oldest child was vaccinated on schedule and developed AS traits after her MMR. Correlation or coincidence does not matter much in hindsight. Her two younger siblings not vaccinated and no AS traits either.. Again correlation or coincidence does not matter. My choices for my kids are based solely on my experience and the information I have gathered in order to make my choices.

    If you wish to tell me how to raise my kids then by all means try. Just remember, my house, my land, my kids, my rules.

    • Kimmy84

      The difference is that if you or your kids are unvaccinated, you can give those diseases to MY kids, who may be immunocompromised, too young for the shots or never quite developed full immunization. Your decision directly affects me and my family.

      So if you want to exercise your “rights”, go right ahead, just keep your kids out of school and stay away from me.

      • Karl H

        And that is the fear mongering I am talking about, If your children are immunocompromised or too young for any of the vaccines that would prevent risk of deadly diseases you might find in your region then sending them to school is about as safe as allowing them to play with medical waste in an ER. In a school you will find kids who are actively shedding numerous viruses after being vaccinated as well as kids carrying viruses that are not vaccinated for because they come from other nations that have diseases we do not vaccinate for.

        Of course if you are sending them to public school then they might be better off playing with medical waste given the quality education they will receive in a public school.

        • Kimmy84

          Interestingly enough you forgot “never quite developed full immunization”, and that is the most important situation as far as going to school goes. Not to mention it isn’t my responsibility to hide my kids from your unvaccinated kids. It’s bad enough you are getting a free ride from the rest of us through herd immunity, you now demand we keep our kids away from yours.

          Fortunately that isn’t the way it works.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000437906748 Jamie Klein-Fajardo

            Herd immunity is a myth.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000437906748 Jamie Klein-Fajardo

            Do you realize that most vaccines you recieve as a child will have worn off within 5-10 years( I personally
            believe the never protect against anything) so the majority of adults walking around right now , maybe even near YOUR children are unvaccinated.#gasp..how will we survive!?

          • MimiReed1234

            Um. NO. Not at all.

            See, that’s why small pox was eradicated–because vaccination works. I guess I can’t expect you to understand that. You’ll claim it’s all “hygiene.” And then I’ll say, “So, why do you still get colds?

          • DreadPirateStarbucks

            That’s true, it’s why they recommend booster shots every 5 yrs.

          • Marlene Duke

            As another commentor said, vaccines wear off. The pertussis vaccine is found to wear off in about 3 years, that means your children will have to be revaccinated. How many adults are not vaccinated, yet you are not hollering about them. Did you know that 92% of the whooping cough cases in California 2012, and 90% of cases in Vermont were in vaccinated individuals? The majority in fully vaccinated persons. A mumps outbreak in England in 2011, 70% fully vaccinated. Mumps outbreak in New York and New Jersey in 2011, the majority vaccinated. Mumps outbreak in a camp in NJ 2011, 83% fully vaccinated. The statistics are like this across the board. There is a quote from the FDA stating that outbreaks occur most often in highly vaccinated populations.

          • MimiReed1234

            No. Pertussis in adults begins to pose a threat 10 years after the last booster. That’s why it’s now recommended for adults, just like tetanus is recommended every 10 years.

            And your last comment is sheer folly. AGAIN, vaccines will not and cannot protect everyone who gets them. They partially protect almost everyone, but full protection is an impossibility that no health department has ever striven for. If you have a population where 98% of people are vaccinated and there is an outbreak, close to 100% of the 2% unvaccinated people will get the disease, and a much, much smaller percent of the vaccinated people will get the disease–about 8%. So you say, “SEE!!! VACCINES DON’T WORK!!!! 80% of the people who got the disease were VACCINATED!” But that’s a completely ignorant statement, trying to make a backward assumption, that outbreaks are made worse by modern vaccines. It’s the claim of someone who doesn’t understand math or is trying to deceive. It also ignores the difference in mortality and morbidity among those who were vaccinated versus those who weren’t. People who are vaccinated are far less likely to have a severe bout of any disease during an outbreak. So the REAL statistics of an outbreak might be this:

            Vaccinated: 8% infected, of whom 10% were hospitalized, of whom 0% died
            Unvaccinated: 100% infected, of whom 40% were hospitalized, of whom 5% died

            So, what’s less deceptive? To scream about how 80% of those who were infected were vaccinated and half those hospitalized with vaccinated? Or to recognized how much more gruesome the numbers would have been if everyone were in the unvaccinated group?

            Yes, most outbreaks in the US occur in “highly vaccinated populations” because the vast, vast majority of populations in the US are highly vaccinated. However, AGAIN, you are still far more likely to get sick if you are in one of those extremely rare populations of unvaccinated morons.

            Statistics really aren’t that hard.

          • WVMountainMama

            Wouldn’t those who get the disease naturally (whether they were unvaccinated, undervaccinated, or fully vaccinated but without immunity) then have lifelong immunity? They say pertussis (whooping cough) has no lifetime immunity. However, my grandmother got it when she was 7 and never got it again, and she’s almost 90. That seems pretty lifelong to me. She also told me that growing up on a farm in rural KY that everyone got whooping cough, it was no bigger a deal than a cold, and she never recalls anyone dying from it. Of course, this was back during the depression when people still breastfed their babies. Breastmilk (and I will shout this from rooftop every day) is the best way to protect small babies from ANY disease.

          • WVMountainMama

            Immunocompromised children are the ones that doctors and CDC recommend the shots for the most. I know plenty of children who have known contraindications to vaccines or who have specific medical issues that makes them more susceptible to injury from vaccination because of their health problems, yet these children are the ones who are told how IMPORTANT it is to be vaccinated. That argument holds no water. The elderly is at highest risk for complications from the flu. Who is recommended to get their flu shot? The elderly. The immunocompromised elderly population. When my daughter was a baby the only people who recommended to get a yearly flu shot were adults age 65 or older, or children under the age of 2. Why is that 8 years later EVERYONE is supposed to get one? Same thing with Hepatitis A. When she was a baby (early 2000s) Hep A was only recommended for children at high risk. Now it’s recommended for all children. How did all children suddenly become at risk? Sorry if you feel my unvaccinated child poses some sort of health risk to your kids. If you would breastfeed your kids who are too young to get certain vaccines, they would be protected. It’s not my fault if you don’t choose to exercise the best possible care for your children. I know the power of breastmilk. It protected my 5 month old from getting the mycoplasma bacterial infection I had at the time that led to a 2-day hospital stay for pneumonia. I was in isolation at the hospital because it was so contagious. Yet, they knew how much my son would need my milk to keep him safe, so they got me a hospital-grade pump and had my mom come pick it up several times a day to make sure he was getting the antibodies. So breastfeed your babies to keep them safe. As for kids who don’t get immunity from the vaccines? Why would vaccinating my kids help your kids out? What if my kids didn’t get full immunity either when vaccinated? Sheesh.

          • Karl H

            Please demonstrate once where I said you have to keep your kids away from mine. I never said such a thing. You really should not try to project your feelings on to me. You are the one who said this:

            “So if you want to exercise your “rights”, go right ahead, just keep your kids out of school and stay away from me.”

            You are the one who demanded my kids be kept separate from yours.

            But keep in mind I am not the only one and while I may present an opportunity for you to vent your irrational fears, odds are you most likely have never even met my kids or me for that matter. But you and your special little snow flakes have been around plenty of people who have not been vaccinated for any number of pathogens and some pathogens that do not occur in the US enough to have vaccines used here.

            With that in mind you might want to buy some child sized haz-mat suits and rebreathers for them.

        • MimiReed1234

          You don’t understand how vaccinations work. Every time you get a dose of a vaccine, you have a probability of it being effective–sometimes, it’s not. That’s why we have multiple doses. Perfectly ordinary people who are not “so immunocompromised” can have a less than full immunity to any of the vaccines, and there’s no way of knowing until they are exposed to the disease.

          The goal is to get the immunity level of the entire population above a 97% chance of being immune, which is extremely effective at stopping outbreaks at patient 0. When idiots like you choose not to immunize, they get the kids who have had vaccines but were in the small percent that it wasn’t fully effective for, and those children bring the diseases home and give it to their infant brothers and sisters, who DIE.

          “In a school,” you will discover that kids are required to submit shot records, and all those “dirty immigrants” will have been properly vaccinated, while the children of objectors like you won’t have.

          • WVMountainMama

            There is a way of knowing. If people would take their health into their own hands, they could have blood titers pulled to see if they developed immunity to their vaccinations or not.

          • Karl H

            wow nice condescension followed with a projection of your own bigotry.

            I never called anyone a “dirty immigrant” I pointed out that there are immigrants who are from regions that have pathogens that are not even vaccinated for in the US. Much like introducing small pox into a population that had never been exposed to it.

            Also if you were truly not ignorant you would know that those immigrants much like any other citizen do not have to vaccinate their children and many do not for religious reasons or “other unspecified reasons”

            But thanks for reciting the mantra of the industrial medical complex and trying to project your bigotry on to me while doing it.

      • Marlene Duke

        Australia stopped using “cocooning” (giving the pertussis vaccine to the family members of infants) because they saw that it does not work. I can show you case after case of immunocompromised children getting sick from vaccinated people in the family. It is my decision if I want to inject those toxic chemicals into my children. My daughter caught chicken pox at school from a recently vaccinated child, she then passed it to my son and my ex husband. This was back in 2001. The vaccine came out in the 1990’s, and in 2001 the doctors were not pushing it. My children now have natural immunity which will last a lifetime. YOur children will have to be vaccinated over and over. Also, did you know that a vaccinated child (chic pox) needs to stay away from pregnant women and infants? How many pregnant women take their kids to get vaccinated or how many infants are in the house and the doctors do not tell you this. Did you know that the flumist sheds up to 28 days?

        • MimiReed1234

          Sorry, but the kid who “just” got the vaccine was most likely already infected with actual chicken pox.

          I had chicken pox as a kid. Now I can either live with the risk of shingles or choose to get vaccinated. Because I’m not stupid, I’m going to get vaccinated, starting at 40, every 10 years FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE. OH NOES!

          Seriously, do you know what shingles is like? You’ve now given your kid the risk of shingles FOREVER. Good job, mom. Now he’s going to have to….get vaccinated every few years for the rest of his life, just like the kids who didn’t have to go through chicken pox. Yeah, you TOTALLY helped him out there.

          Actually, something about this does suck, and it’s that once I am truly elderly, 70 or 80, my immune system will probably be so bad that I won’t be able to renew my immunity to shingles through the vaccine anymore. And then I’ll be at risk for shingles. If I’d had the chicken pox vaccine, my resistance would also similarly drop, but living in a highly vaccinated community, chances are extremely low that I’d get chicken pox. But with varicella already inside my body, all it takes is a low enough defense, and there it is, ready to strike. I can’t escape it.

          And no, a vaccinated child doesn’t need to avoid pregnant women. Only 1 in a million vaccinations has resulted in someone else even possibly getting sick from a newly vaccinated person.

          • WVMountainMama

            You wouldn’t have such a high risk of shingles if you would get exposed to the zoster virus more often like older folks used to. I think it is what has saved my grandmother from getting shingles. She had chicken pox as a girl. She was around my mom and her brother and sisters when they had it when she was a young adult, was around me and my other cousins when we had it as kids and she was in her 60s, and just recently was around my daughter who had it (despite both vaccinations for it) in her 80s. Getting exposed every so often during life is what helps keep you from getting shingles, and also maintaining a healthy immune system. Merck knows their chicken pox vaccine has caused the uprise in shingles outbreaks in older adults, so now they came to the rescue with their lovely shingles vaccine. Both shed, and both cause outbreaks. It’s the stupidest thing ever. Just let kids get chicken pox. It was even admitted by the CDC the reason behind the chicken pox vaccination program was to prevent parents from having to miss a week of work when their kids came down with it.

    • MimiReed1234

      Sorry, but I also agree with car seat laws. Car seats do, very, very, very rarely, injure a child worse in a crash than the child would be if he hadn’t been restrained. But I have no problem telling parents they have to buckle their children up–or that they have to give them vaccines.

      There is zero difference.

      • WVMountainMama

        Well, in reality, the difference is that vaccines are a pharmaceutical product that come with a wide range of side effects attached. The only thing similar to vaccines and car seats is that both offer a means of protection, which sometimes isn’t 100%. I don’t know of anyone having a severe reaction (such as guillain-barre syndrome) from being strapped into a car seat.

  • $23629333

    Ever heard this expression: consider the source?

    The source of this “nonsense” is a woman who fed her child as a mother bird does, mouth to mouth.

  • gregl311

    I’m as conservative as they come. Usually the stuff Alicia spouts is liberal nonsense. However, on the issue of vaccinations, I agree with her.

  • http://www.facebook.com/jesse.perlsteinmizrachi Jesse Perlstein-Mizrachi

    Celebrities are pay to play. For a fee a celebrity will show up at your not-for-profit event (was trying to get various musicians for the Adoption Exchange), or you can get them to endorse well basically anything. Usually this request goes through an agent who carefully vets these requests before passing them on to the celebrity, The celebrity has the option of turning down the request as well, they rarely do.

    A get even strategy for that some in Hollywood use (a basic social hack) is to target celebrities with stupid shit like this that free agent or that use an agent shared with many other celebrities (or perhaps terminated a relationship with an agent). They will repeat the tweet for like $50-200 and the blog sphere takes it in and they end up looking stupid. Usually the issue is “controversial”.

    Sometimes publicity works in the other direction and basically the whole thing is a publicity stunt, ie Beyonce paid to get her emails published by “anonymous”.

  • Kimmy84

    For all of you who are so convinced that vaccines cause autism, you have some questions to answer:

    -If vaccines cause autism, why are there autistic people who were never vaccinated?

    -Considering the explosion in autism rates started in the late 80s, what changed with vaccines in that time period that triggered this increase?

    -Vaccination rates in the U.S. have remained relatively steady (trending upward) in the past couple of decades, yet autism rates continue to increase greatly. How is that possible if vaccines are responsible?

    • http://www.facebook.com/jesse.perlsteinmizrachi Jesse Perlstein-Mizrachi

      Autism is genetic and typically mostly goes away once they grow up. This is basically why the rates skyrocketed, most people born prior to the 80’s were not diagnosed. Now they see it in their kids. It also doesn’t help that there are so many divorced families which reduces communication and can prevent someone from knowing family disease history. Sucks for the kid considering there are many worse things.

      • annoyinglittletwerp

        Thank you!

    • WVMountainMama

      – Vaccines aren’t the ONLY things that can lead to an autism spectrum disorder. For some kids, it’s the deciding factor between being on the spectrum and not.

      – Well, one of the things that changed in the late ’80s was the fact that they gave pharmaceutical companies and doctors the gift of no liability when it came to vaccine injuries. Thus, pharmaceutical companies didn’t have to care about making a superb product at that point. They can make a huge dose of bad vaccines right now and have absolutely zero liability. Would you want to take a medicine that, if taken, and if it’s proven that it’s a “bad batch” because of quality issues with the manufacturer, causes a severe reaction or death, yet you have no one to sue for your damages? It’s insanity. So that’s just one of the things that changed. Another thing that changed was they switched the DTP shot to the DTaP, which is why it is no longer effective at preventing whooping cough because it is no longer the whole cell pertussis component. But DTP was causing so many injuries that they had to change it up.

      -Well, if about the same percentage of people are still vaccinating, they are getting a lot more vaccines each year. Just ten years ago when my daughter was born, there less vaccines that are required today. So just because the rate of how many people gets vaccinated has stayed the same or slightly increased, the number of vaccinations continues to rise. As does the rise in autism. Bear in mind that the most recent statistic of 1 in 88 kids having autism is based on a control group of kids born in 2000. This was before any removal of thimerosal. I’m curious to see how the trend goes once we get a control group of kids who didn’t not have the thimerosal-laced vaccinations.

  • Dean Logan

    I’ve always been curious about the fact that I always see people point to the study that wasn’t “certified” by the AMA or such and wondered why there hasn’t been a study to determine the reason for the increase in austism. Why don’t a couple of universities take on the challenge and create a more reliable study?

    • Kimmy84

      There are many people and organizations studying the autism situation. The problem arises because there are an almost infinite number of variables to account for, not to mention much of the information has to be self-reported by parents. So it is unaviodably inaccurate. Not to mention we can’t even agree on what a “real” autism diagnosis really is.

      But trust me, there is a lot of money being thrown at this issue, and there are loads of research being done.

  • Magwheelz

    I don’t think there’s complete “sound science” either way.

    http://gmo.mercola.com/

  • Shawn_Siegel

    Adjuvants, such as are used in vaccines, are also used by researchers when they want to study autoimmunity, because they cause rheumatoid arthritis and other autoimmune disorders when injected in lab animals. Immunologists say they do the same in human beings – and, indeed, we have epidemics of autoimmune disorders in juveniles that used to be virtually non-existent – asthma, arthritis, diabetes.

    The National Coalition of Organized Women chronicled the 4,250% increase in miscarriages and stillbirths reported after the introduction of the H1N1 vaccine in 2009 – the year before the H1N1 vaccine was added to the flu shot, and the CDC advised all OBGYN’s to start giving it to all their patients. They also told the OBGYN’s there had been no increase in risk in 2009 – though they knew better.

    At Homefirst Health Services in Chicago, among the 30,000 or so non-vaccinated homebirths in which they’ve assisted over the last several decades, across a broad social spectrum, they are aware of less than a handful of cases of autism, where in the general population you’d expect to see around 200 or more. Go figger.

    And someone mentioned polio – interesting example. In 1956, following on the heels of the introduction of the vaccine, the CDC instituted changes in the diagnostic parameters of paralytic polio, and the labeling protocol for non-paralytic polio, so radical that they wiped 90% of the cases off the books, at the stroke of a pen. No one can say they’re not good at what they do – the question is, what are they doing.

  • WVMountainMama

    I think more parents would question vaccines given to their children if they knew that if their child suffered a terrible reaction or death from them that they have no one to sue. You can’t sue the doctor. You can’t sue the pharmaceutical manufacturer. All you can do is file a claim in the government’s vaccine court and hope that you get a settlement, which is rare. The government started protecting pharmaceutical companies from liability in vaccine manufacturing in the late 1980s and as parents we’re STILL not told this, and have to find this out the hard way on our own. For every vaccine that is administered in the US, a .75 cent tax from each vaccine sale is put into the vaccine injury fund for this special government court to award settlements to the victims of vaccinations. But vaccines are so safe, right? Why then is there a fund for those injured by vaccines. Some would be surprised that just in the past year there have been 4 people awarded settlements for an autism reaction in conjunction with their vaccination. Look it up if you don’t believe me. I’m just simply saying not to expect your doctor OR the government to care about what happens to you or your kids. You are the only one who truly cares about your child and their best interest.

  • Marlene Duke

    Julie Gerberding (ex CDC Chief) said on CNN that some kids with mitochondrial disorders will have adverse reactions to vaccines, including Autism (Hannah Polling case). Julie G. now works for Merck as the head of the vaccine division.
    Mitochondrial experts have proven that the majority of kids with autism have an underlying mito disorder.
    Mito disorders can be hereditary.
    So it stands to reason that if a kid has an underlying mito disorder, the vaccine can cause adverse events such as Autism.
    Over $2 billion has been awarded to autistic kids who have proven it is a vaccine injury.

    The tripedia vaccine insert states autism as an adverse event.
    Many vaccine package inserts state encephalitis as adverse events, encephalitis leads to symptoms/disorders that are characterized as autism.
    Many inserts also list SIDS as an adverse event. Most babies who die of Sids, die after having their pertussis vaccines.

  • journogal

    Because there are people who will listen to her because she is a celebrity and not do any research on their own.
    If who Twitchy reports on bothers you so much, then why do you visit or click on the topic?

  • Will P.

    Being one of those “Health officials,” we know very well why it is. The flu vaccine is a “Trivalent” vaccine, meaning that researchers attempt to predict what the most likely strain will be, and they narrow it down to three, then make a vaccine from those. The influenza A virus mutates very quickly and it is very rarely the same from year to year. With that in mind, the researchers look at the past years’ strains and plot how it is changing. It’s not a precise science, but it does work most of the time, and it is much safer to get the flu vaccine when pregnant than to get the flu when pregnant.

  • MimiReed1234

    The flu shot ALWAYS does a bad job at protecting the immunocompromised. That’s why YOU should get it, so you have less of a chance of killing granny when you kiss her on the cheek.

  • journogal

    If I misunderstood you, I apologize. It happens. However, I go back to my original thought…it’s reported because there are some people out there that will blindly follow whatever a celebrity says/does without doing any research themselves.

  • annoyinglittletwerp

    I’ve was diagnosed with Asperger’s @ 33. Actually-I’m a ‘half-spie’ because I have Aspie and non-Aspie traits. I personally consider any and ALL anti-vaccers to be ‘kooks’.

  • http://www.facebook.com/alice.w.wasney Alice Warning Wasney

    A flu shot during pregnancy is protective of both the mother and the fetus. Mothers who develop influenza during pregnancy have a higher rate of miscarriage or hospitalization with complications.

  • annoyinglittletwerp

    It isn’t a ‘family member’ of mine that’s on the autistic spectrum…it’s me. Since that’s the case-I probably have a much better understanding of what causes it than ANY of you. The idea that vaccines cause autism is junk science. Period.

  • Vito Alexander Pavlovic

    YOU ARE A SHILL, FOR BIG PHARMA, THAT’S WHAT YOU ARE!!

  • WVMountainMama

    My husband has Asperger’s and OCD. He is fully against vaccinating our son. Just because someone is on the autism spectrum doesn’t mean they automatically lean anti or pro vax. You’re pro-vax, he’s anti-vax. He doesn’t think vaccines causing autism is junk science. He’s read the science and understands the risks behind vaccinations. He doesn’t BLAME vaccines for his ASDs but the worry that they played a part is enough for him to not want his son vaccinated.

  • annoyinglittletwerp

    Bullsh8T! I have ASPERGER’S SYNDROME. Every time I look in my mirror-I see someone on the autistic spectrum… ME! I have AS-I consider it to be gift-because my mother’s water broke on Sunday and the docs refused to induce. For 3 days I was SUFFOCATING in the womb. I’m darn lucky that I was born when I was. With or w/o vaccines…the circumstances of my birth wouldn’t have changed. It’s also possible that my late father was on the autistic spectrum-which points to a GENETIC component. Is that too hard for you to understand? Never mind-you’re an anti-vaccer. You’ve already proved that you’re not especially bright.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002109532283 Jillane Kent

    Why do you say that? Because the poster disagrees with you based upon his/her personal experience?

  • Kimmy84

    ” Why is it only the United States had a flu epidemic this year?”

    Why to anti-vaccinationists feel the need to lie about things that are so easily proven wrong???

    Flu Activity and Norovirus on the Rise in Europe
    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/15/health/flu-activity-and-norovirus-on-the-rise-in-europe.html?_r=0

    This year, data from the United States (along with Canada, Russia, and parts of Europe) shows 2013 to be an early and unusually intense flu season,

    http://www.theverge.com/2013/1/10/3861538/google-cdc-show-us-flu-epidemic-among-worst-in-decade

  • Kimmy84

    There IS a flu epidemic in Europe. You said, specifically:

    “Why is it only the United States had a flu epidemic this year?”

    The quote you provided says there is a flu epidemic in Europe.

    Sheesh.

  • Kimmy84

    Try, really try, reading the whole article:

    “This year, data from the United States (along with Canada, Russia, and parts of Europe) shows 2013 to be an early and unusually intense flu season, the worst since Google began tracking flu data in 2006.”

    Last I checked, Russia and “parts of Europe” are indeed in Europe.

    Geez, it isn’t that hard. Just try a little bit.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000437906748 Jamie Klein-Fajardo

    Wrong, the flu shot is a dangerous chemical laden unnecessary intervention that has no business in the body of a pregnant mother.if you have a strong immune system, by eating well, taking supplements, you shouldn’t get sick in the first place.the flu shot kills, I have a friend who’s 7 year old daughter died within hours of the jab.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000437906748 Jamie Klein-Fajardo

    everyone I know that recieved the flu jab ended up getting the flu this year.and even then people are stupid enough to believe they work.

  • annoyinglittletwerp

    Well, I respectfully disagree with your husband. I think he is VERY wrong and VERY misguided. I have yet to meet another Aspie who has been anti-vac. You are doing your son a MAJOR disservice by not vaccinating him-and you’re putting other children at risk as well through your ignorance.

  • WVMountainMama

    We respectfully disagree with you, as well. If two years of thorough research is ignorance, then so be it. Funny that his pediatrician 100% agrees with our decision to delay vaccinations given our family history of certain developmental delays and ASDs. Sorry I refuse to let my son become another statistic for the sake of other people’s children.