Ari Fleischer may give less if charitable deduction is limited; Libs freak out

We don’t see anything controversial about Fleischer’s tweet. In fact, we suspect that virtually every economist on the planet would agree with the crux of his argument. If the tax deduction for charitable donations increases, charitable giving goes up (all other things equal). If the deduction is reduced, charitable deductions go down.

Moreover, we see nothing wrong with taking into account tax considerations when deciding how much to give to charity.

If Fleischer is wrong — that is, if people who give money to charity are never influenced by tax deductions — then why have a charitable deduction in the first place?

Why do groups like the United Way, the American Red Cross, and Lutheran Services in America oppose any change to the deduction if limiting it will have no effect on charitable giving?

Unfortunately, many liberals aren’t interested in economics (or logic). Rather than acknowledge the truth in what Fleischer said, they responded with their usual vitriol:

Fleischer tried to explain himself. If he can’t deduct his charitable contributions, he’ll have to pay higher taxes and will therefore have less money to give away:

But that didn’t help. In fact, it only made matters worse.

Fleischer is guilty of only one mistake: He tried to explain economics to liberals. He’ll know better next time.

  • GTFOBigGovt

    HA says a bunch of people who I guarantee you give ZERO.

    • thetreyman

      i guess they dont realize that the tax break allows you to give more. it
      also allows you to decide who gets some of the money that would have
      gone to government. the donation you would have made will drop by the amount you can no longer get from the deduction. therefore less money will go to charity. and of course there are other reasons to give to charity and people still will but lets not kid ourselves. this is the plan. government is the only charity we need.

  • TroyGates

    Guessing none of these people have ever donated any of their own money to charity.

    • TugboatPhil

      Well even if they had, it would have just been allowance money from Mom.

      • Hello Jerry (D)

        Which would promptly get blown on pot and Cheetoes.

    • Catchance

      Exactly. According to a study by Arthur Brooks, the people who give the least to charity are those non-religious progressives… the “bleeding heart liberals’, in other words. According to Nicholas Kristoff, “The upshot is that Democrats, who speak passionately about the hungry and homeless, personally fork over less money to charity than Republicans — the ones who try to cut health insurance for children.”

      • Vennoye

        Yeah, but you know lefty’s….you don’t have to actually do it….you just have to talk about it and/or be concerned about it! It is the thought and conversation that counts. All the good thoughts and words that fill tummies and help with rent and keep families together…………if reality falls short, that is not their fault.

    • Mike Johnson

      You cannot be both a producer and consumer. I’m guessing the morons are probably on the receiving end of said donations.

  • Margarettt

    I thought it was simple to understand, but I guess most liberals don’t get past 7th grade math…not just the POTUS.

    • itzyaboi95

      They just walk the halls and/or cheat off other people. I witness it every day.

  • Aaron

    “You actually have to start paying your fair share. Deal with it.”

    Can someone explain this concept of “fair share” to me? If I eat half the cookies, I should have to pay for half the cookies. That’s a “fair share”.

    If I buy you cookies and you eat them by yourself, that’s not me paying a “fair share”. That’s me funding your cookie eating.

    I honestly don’t get it.

    • NRPax

      Aaron, I’ll try to break it down for you:

      1. After you have earned a certain amount of money (The amount depends on your political leanings), you are no longer allowed to keep it and you must “pay your fair share.” This is typically achieved when you are living out of a cardboard box.

      2. Also, if you have any money of your own, you are considered “greedy” and need to donate it.

      I hope that helps.

      • Michael Rice

        And don’t forget, you can’t give any of it to your church, because they re nto a real charity. AS well, if you are “rich” and you pay more than what the government requires you to pay, voluntairly raising your own taxes, you must be crazy or are only doing it for show…

    • Mike Johnson

      “Fair Share”, “Common Good”, “Greater Good” is liberal speak for: We want all the control and power. So, in honor of all you stupid phucking liberals who have never met a dollar you wouldn’t want to tax, I am no longer giving one red cent to charity. My tax dollars you take at gunpoint will have to suffice for all the parasistoids in this country you have placed into government chains.

  • Jack Deth

    The stupidity of the left is unfathomable. We may never know how deep or entrenched it may be. For there seems to be no limit to how disgustingly low and juvenile they will go.

  • $129448

    Guarantee NONE of these people donate anything

    • mcdonnal

      Nor do they pay any taxes, all freeloaders.

    • Chris Stone

      Ah. But I’m sure they claim it – if they file at all.

  • Steven Reed

    I’ll bet that he will STILL give way more that the Vice President (cheapskate) and if government takes away more of your money it only makes sense that you would have less to give away.

  • Lovetorun2

    Betting Ari donated more to charity, and will continue to donate more, than all these people combined!

  • Lady 12

    I looked at the home pages (is that what they’re called on Twitter?) of some of these fools, and the ones I saw all had under fifteen followers. Wonder why? /sarc/

    • Paul

      Jews and Christians have the same it Christian, call it Godly but donating from your heart and expecting nothing in return is supposed to be how charity works. I’m not saying he should give more or less, just that he shouldn’t pin it on what he expects to get out of it (in this life)

      • Lady 12

        I was merely observing the irony, not saying that one group is more generous than the other.

        • Catchance

          Actually, religious conservatives give the most to charity. Next is religious liberals, then non-religious conservatives, and last in line is the non-religious liberal. Even Nicholas Kristoff had to admit it.

          • Lady 12

            I meant in comparison between Jews and Christians. As for your other stats, Twitter definitely seems to agree.

      • thetreyman

        the deduction allows you to give more than you otherwise would and lets you control who gets some of the money that otherwise would have gone to government. there are many reasons to give to charity and most dont do it for a deduction but if you know that you are not going to get that money back then your charity contribution will drop by the amount of the lost deduction. ari’s problem is twitter is not the place to try to make this point because you are so limited on how much you can write. that and the knee jerk idiots that dont know what the hell they are talking about and just want to be vile.

    • Hello Jerry (D)

      lol. And they probably wonder why they were always picked on in school.

      • Lady 12

        Sometimes it’s not because you’re “different” or “special.” Sometimes it’s just plain unpleasantness. By the way, what are those pages that have all the info about a person called on Twitter? Home pages? Profile pages?

  • detroit19

    I will be giving less, as well, since I will have less of my income to donate, thanks to the ‘crap sandwich’ Congress voted for. Besides, I feel that I am being pretty damn charitable paying for health care, food stamps, unemployment, welfare and earned income credits and child care credits and Planned Parenthood for all of the people who pay NO taxes to begin with…not to mention the contributions I make to Salvation Army, church charities, American Cancer Society, American Red Cross Disaster Relief, American Stroke Foundation, etc..

  • Jon

    Why should we give any charity at all? We are all paying for these moochers to live on welfare, have energy assistance, go to school, get food stamps and have obama phones. (Do they honestly think OBAMA is paying for those phones?)

    • NRPax

      Personally, I will give to Toys for Tots and the Salvation Army. At least I know where those donations are going to.

      • LButler234

        My two favorites also, the SA because they do so much with each dollar, and Toys for Tots because it is sponsored by the Marines and the Police.

        • NRPax

          When I was in the Corps, I worked every Toys for Tots event that I could so they hold a special place in my heart. As for the SA, they help people with real problems and that’s good enough for me.

    • thetreyman

      that’s the plan. to get rid of charities and let the government do it.

  • itzyaboi95

    I agree with the people who say those trolls probably don’t donate at all. Just another example of leftist hypocrisy.

    • doublee64

      And probably using the obamaphone we bought them to tweet their bilge.

      • Hello Jerry (D)

        And waiting on Barry to give them their “free” stuff.

  • NRPax

    “Why are rich people so self-entitled?” Coming from someone who is apparently demanding money from people who have earned it, that’s worth a laugh or two.

  • Paul

    The reward for charitable giving is from the Lord, if the main reason is for a tax deduction, then give less…and get less. I give what I can ( I don’t make his millions) and this isn’t a left/right thing, it’s a wrong/right thing. His statement left him open for ridicule.

    • andy

      He didn’t say he wasn’t going to give at all. He said this deal limits what he CAN give. At this point, he will continue to give what he CAN. However, since the itemized deduction is eliminated, then the cost out of pocket goes up in order to continue supporting charities. The deductions made it easier for people to give a greater amount… get a deduction and do something great for charities. Without the deduction, everyone who used to use them, has to figure out how to pay a higher tax bill, which means cutting not only discretionary, if it exists, but also charitable giving. People who are responsible with their money will figure out how to continue to pay their bills with the higher taxes… something the government hasn’t quite grasped. As a result, charities will most certainly suffer. So give less and get less what? Reward from the Lord? Giving less doesn’t make him wrong. Giving less doesn’t deny love from the Lord. Giving less is the result of eliminating itemized deductions and still being responsible with your income. He’s not being ugly with his statement, just stating what is going to happen to charities.

    • Catchance

      If you have two people who each make $59,500, and the one tithes to his church and the other doesn’t, the second one gives nothing to charity but still gets the same deduction (standard deduction for a single person is $5950) and they both pay the same amount in taxes. Yet the first person has given to his church because he loves the Lord. The second person buys a jet ski.

      There are also many charitable contributions that aren’t religion based, such as Public Broadcasting or the Humane Society or PETA.

      Religious Conservatives give the most to charity. Next is religious liberals, then non-religious conservatives, and last is the non-religious liberal.

      I’m sorry, but you’re coming across as a bit sanctimonious.

      • Paul

        half the people in this country don’t even make enough to get more than their standard deductions as it is, so if they gave their tithe the deduction is mute. They give for the sake of giving if they give and if they buy a jet ski that’s fine too. my point was on the mindset for giving. I’m sure he could give more and not even need the deduction

  • Dave Silva

    it amazes me that people like this have the braincells to be able to roll out of bed or drive a car. Seriously, how can anything think letting people like that vote is good for the country?

  • fishydude

    The concept of the tax deduction for charitable contributions was never about encouraging donations. Conservatives have always been more generous with their own money and time.
    The deduction was about tracking, and eventually trying to limit private charity.
    Even colleges now demand that applicants produce a “community service” resume even though by doing so they pervert charity and volunteering into selfish acts for personal gain. That is neither charity not volunteering.
    I don’t report my charitable activity to the government.
    By the way, the least charitable states are also the most liberal. MA us right near the bottom with only 2% average. Utah us at the top with over 10%.

  • Steve_J

    Wonder what the charitable giving is for the name callers?

  • Jay Harvanek

    I don’t make enough to deduct my charitable contributions from my taxes but I have already had to cut way back on giving to charities this Christmas. I’ve been spending a lot more on booze since the election…

  • Kimberly O’Neal

    I’ll bet most the people trashing Fleischer never even donate in the first place.

  • Laurel

    History agrees with Ari. Facts are facts and anyone can Google them. I’m giving less because I am sick of dead beats and scams. I know many that said they won’t give since Obama got re-elected.

  • Dave

    We have stopped most of our charitable giving as well due to expected higher taxes next year. Have to pay for those taxes somehow. The only charitable giving we will do now is to organizations that will guarantee that none of our money will go to Obama voters. They are on their own.

  • Ben

    I’m guessing that all the pinheads ranting on & on are part of the bottom 50% in this country who not only pay ZERO in income taxes, but are mooching off the rest of us collecting welfare, food stamps, Medicaid, all while playing Xbox on their new 80″ plasma screen tv & walking around with the latest iPhone in their pocket. Get off your lazy butts & do something for a change. Stop living off MY paycheck that I EARNED. Foreign concept I know. Look it up in the dictionary. Or do I need to read it to ya since you probably don’t know how to do that yourself either?

  • Gallatin

    @AriFleischer Good logic Ari, fuck the poor people who depend on charity. That’ll show the democrats. #arrogantdouche

    Oh please, the democrats would like nothing better then for all charities to go away and for the poor to get all their help from the government.

  • Joe

    Vitriol coming from a bunch of assholes who probably don’t even file much less pay taxes.

  • Joe

    I believe we are doomed. Ignorance is encouraged and if it isn’t coming from Comedy Central or from that guy Rachel Maddow, they don’t believe it.

  • Steve

    There seems to be a sliding scale for “fairness” that keeps the “fair” percentage just above the current rate, so that those who actually pay income taxes “need to pay more”. Contrast this to the results of surveys where individuals regularly peg the maximum fair share between 15 and 20%.

  • SanDiegoMerchantServices

    Bill Clinton wrote off his used underwear.

    • TugboatPhil

      Let’s please not mention what he did ON blue dresses.

  • Java Dewd

    Nice block list. Thanks, Twitchy!

  • Melissa BossyBoots Votano

    I don’t blame him……..

  • nc

    Twitter blooper. Shoulda known better.

    (Not that he said anything wrong, but he left himself open. Sadly, it’s our new world.)

  • lincoln1865

    It’s obvious these people have never donated, as they do not understand how it works.

    • TomJB

      I don’t know how many of them I have run across who think that if you donate $100 to charity, you get $100 back at tax time…

  • $30423294

    Even though I know leftists are not thoughtful people, it’s still painful to see their unfathomable ignorance on twitter. It rubs salt in the wound.

    You see, private charities are terrified right now of what Obama is going to do to them. He is intentionally drying up their sources of funding so that they must (1) depend on government and consequently (2) abandon their overtly Christian mission.

    These private charities will find themselves — at best — in the business of throwing money at problems rather than changing hearts. This is nowhere close to the original meaning of the word charity. The money is a means to an end. The end was always understood to be to treat human life with the dignity that is its due.

    Mr. Obama throws money at problems for votes. No votes, no money. The whole idea of human dignity never comes into play — which is why he is so devoted to prohibiting caregivers from giving medical aid to those little survivors of partial birth abortion. No dignity for these little nonvoters. But phones and goodies for the heartless women who abort them. See what’s going on here?

    • Vennoye

      You just reached the bottom line of why I despise blg government and social justice pushed by the left so much. Human Dignity….the government strips everyone who receives welfare from them of their human dignity….that’s why we have generation after generation who can’t climb out of the welfare mentality!!

      Watched the Salvation Army Band march in the Rose Bowl parade today to “Stand Up, Stand Up for Jesus”. I appreciated them just having the courage to be who they are!! They are the only charity I will give to for disaster relief….think it is time to increase my giving to them.

  • jdb1972

    Wow. Leftists as a whole are truly crazy.

    As if we needed more confirmation of that fact…

  • Sincerely —

    when gvt reduces ppl’s take home pay, ppl have less $ to donate/spend. It’s math

    Oh no, he went there! MATH!

    Liberals don’t like math because it’s such a “closed system” . . . you know the whole “there’s only one answer” thing. Everything should be relative.

    I’d love to see how that mentality would hold up if all that relativity started applying to their paychecks.

  • Richard Nichols

    My question to every one of these tards – How much did you give to charity last year?

  • AntonioAngelo21

    libs think rich people just have unlimited funds. they have no concept of i can afford to give 5000 to charity under current rules, but under new rules i can only afford 4200 because that is how much is in my budget.

  • Let’em Crash

    Working as planned: less private help, more reliance on government. Obama is every libs dream. Gets free money, then be the one recognized for giving it out. Votes secured!

  • AMERICAN Kafir™(KAdams)

    Proud Gay Marine
    So what @AriFleischer is saying is that he only gives to charities for the tax deductions? That attitude won’t get him into heaven. #WWJD

    My response: Neither will pride. Just sayin’.

    • Michael Rice

      Yeah, and if we told him being gay won’t get him into heaven we would get a lecture on judging, etc..

    • NRPax

      I suppose pointing out that Jesus wanted charity to be voluntary instead of compulsory would also throw his worldview into a tailspin.

  • Rightsaidfred

    Huh, @gaymarine is mistakenly under the impression that giving to charity gets one into Heaven. Maybe if these liberals were to even begin to read a Bible and try to understand it, then maybe they could also understand math, and economics. I guarantee you my charitable contributions have fallen off the charts since I lost my job. Oh no, I am a bad person.

  • irishgirl91

    Wow, apparently no one remembers Hillary trying to get a receipt for Bills boxers when she was doing a Goodwill donation.

  • Hello Jerry (D)

    As if any of these Keyboard Warriors have even paid taxes to begin with. Their only accomplishments are being moochers and general failures at life.

  • JCRocks

    I’ll continue donating to my Church and religious organizations because the Lord knows the libs and the White House are against organized religion. Otherwise, I’m letting charities like United Way fend for themselves or grovel to the Dems and Libs who keep asking the government to raise our taxes. Sorry, United Way, go ask the Prez for a handout. I’m keeping my paycheck (what’s left of it) for myself and my interests. And no, I don’t donate for the tax deductions but it is sure nice to get a little tax break for being charitable.

  • Cherry Walker

    It is HIS money to do with as he pleases. He doesn’t have to give one red cent. These outraged liberals can’t seem to grasp that simple concept.

  • Brandon Rising

    The liberals idea that Mr. Fleischer donates simply for the tax deduction is simply moronic… The amount may be effected, but obviously he would have more money for himself if he did not donate at all, so it’s still a charitable thing to do.

  • Tim

    Wow all this bitching from low life scumbags who probably don’t donate to charity at all.

  • DouginCO

    I wonder how many of those people give as much as Fleischer does?

  • walterc

    And such intelligent response no less.

    Never mud wrestle with a pig, you both get dirty and it annoys the pig.

  • BigE

    Most people have only a finite amount of disposable income that is available to give to charity organizations. (It’s not like we can print our own money).

    If you reduce tax breaks for charitable contributions would be very counterproductive because you are automatically reduce the amount of money likely to be given to charity.

  • AWomaninTX


    I was of the understanding that if you claim the donations, the charity gains from that as well. Kind of like a legal kick-back of sorts. I can’t remember exactly how it was explained to me & I may be remembering not quite right. Maybe it was for that specific charity (a women & children shelter).

    I’m curious if that is common with other charitable organizations.

  • Denise O’Connor

    We won’t be donating this year either with the exception of a couple of humane societies. Animals aren’t responsible for humane stupidity. Raising our small business taxes for federal, payroll, medicare, obamacare is not the fault of kitties, but stupid liberals.

  • Denise O’Connor

    We won’t be donating this year either with the exception of a couple of humane societies. Animals aren’t responsible for humane stupidity. Raising our small business taxes for federal, payroll, medicare, obamacare is not the fault of kitties, but stupid liberals.