Awesome: Author Gavin McInnes slams abortion by spotlighting his kids

Libertarian author and “Red Eye” favorite Gavin McInnes loves his family. And today, in an effort to shine a light on the boundless joyful potential snuffed out by abortion, he’s vowed to dedicate his Twitter page to quoting his kids. The results? Pure awesomeness.

Adorable — and brilliant. What a shame it would be to miss out on such a blessing.

Indeed. Life is precious. Thanks so much, Gavin, for sharing your gift.

  • Bob Smooper

    Ugh! You are going to have to accept abortion or you won’t get young women and single womens votes and wont be elected!

    • mickeyco

      For some, sad to say, we have to make a choice between getting votes and doing what’s right. We choose to do what’s right.

      • http://www.shockandblog.com/ Jay McHue

        AMEN!

    • AMERICAN Kafir™(KAdams)

      If that’s what it takes to secure young and single women’s votes, those “women” (and I use that term loosely) can just go fuck themselves. Hey… and if they did that, there wouldn’t be any need for abortion in the first place. And go figure, I’m a woman myself, and would never advocate abortion for anyone. Not even for YOUR mother.

      Although, I’m sure you’re glad that your mother didn’t hold the same views on abortion as you do.

      • salvagesalvage

        Ah, now this is some honest “pro-life” right here. See it’s not really about the baby it’s about sluts having sex and “getting away with it” that’s the real problem.

        • djshawman

          No. It’s about the baby. And unfortunately, the majority of abortions are done by those who use it as birth control so Kadams isn’t off base. Is that so tough for you to grasp? People need to stop having sex if they aren’t prepared to deal with the results. It isn’t as though we haven’t had sex ed shoved down our throats enough to know how babies are made. Use a condom, take the pill, or heaven for bid..DON’T HAVE SEX!!! Women’s rights huh? Are you at all concerned that the majority of babies aborted are girls-future democrats? Guess their rights don’t count.

          • salvagesalvage

            >No. It’s about the baby.

            No, if we are talking about an abortion we are talking about a fetus, a baby is what a fetus becomes but until it does it is a fetus.

            >And unfortunately, the majority of abortions are done by those who use it as birth control

            I’m not sure if that’s true but I do know it doesn’t matter. See part of the point you’re not getting is that it’s none of your business. It’s not your body, not your concern, it’s as private a thing as anything private can be. Your opinion along with the rest of the world’s is not sought nor should it be considered. It is her body so her motives for whatever she does with it are meaningless.

            >People need to stop having sex if they aren’t prepared to deal with the results.

            Ah, now here we go, this is closer to the truth of the “pro-life” movement, it’s not the dead baby that upsets you, its people having sex that really gets you angry. How people “deal with the results” is your business how again?

            >It isn’t as though we haven’t had sex ed shoved down our throats enough to know how babies are made.

            Yeah, see sex-ed leads to less pregnancy but more sex and again, that’s what really gets you upset.

            Why on Earth do you care about other people’s consensual sex lives?

            >Use a condom, take the pill,

            And they do and if you really don’t want people having an abortion make these easy to get and education to explain how to use them to full effect.
            But sometimes these contraceptive steps fail (sometimes because they didn’t get proper instruction on their use) and then the woman makes a choice for whatever reason they don’t want to have a baby so they have a safe abortion. You don’t have to like it, you don’t want to have an abortion, don’t but don’t think your reasons for not having one means you get to tell other people what to do with their own bodies. You don’t and you’d have to be insane to think you do.

            >or heaven for bid..DON’T HAVE SEX!!!

            Why? What’s wrong with having sex for the sake of having sex. Sex is fun, healthy and one of the better parts of life. People should have as much sex as they like. What is your problem with sex?

            >Women’s rights huh?

            No, not really, it’s a basic human right expressed by the Founding Fathers, our bodies are our own selves, that is our ultimate liberty to think and do whatever we want as long as it doesn’t cause others problems. Women having abortions causes no one any problem save the fetus but that fetus is part of the woman and thus is herself. She has complete and final say just as men do over their own bodies.

            >Are you at all concerned that the majority of babies aborted are girls-future democrats?

            Even if that were true or made the slightest bit of sense it wouldn’t matter because my opinion is meaningless.

            > Guess their rights don’t count.

            They don’t , a fetus has no more rights than the sperm and egg it came from to earn your rights to be human you have to escape the womb until then you live and die at your mother’s pleasure.

          • djshawman

            You have a cold heart. I pray one day your eyes are opened to what you are promoting here. My issue is not sex. I’m married. I can get it whenever I want. My issue is with the senseless murder of babies. People are accountable for their actions. Murder is everyone’s business regardless of where it occurs…

          • salvagesalvage

            No, your issue is sex, babies die all the time all over the world free of the womb but you “pro-lifers” don’t notice those or care. It’s bizarre how you only get hyper about protecting life when it’s in a womb, the minute it’s outside it’s on its own!

            So no, you and your god hate people have sex without your permission, that’s your real problem.

          • redheadgrl

            It’s sad that you automatically think that “”pro-lifers” don’t notice those or care” about babies/children that are murdered or die around the world. It has been proven over and over that conservatives give more to charitable organizations than their liberal counterparts. These include NGOs that help children the world over.

          • salvagesalvage

            Yes, that’s why they protest things like the war and the death penalty.

          • Frederick Weaver

            Killing a murderer like Adam Lanza (if he had lived) is justice.
            Killing a child who has harmed no one is injustice.
            That’s the difference.

          • salvagesalvage

            Well it being justice isn’t all that cut and dried but you’re a wingnut so you need to keep things simple.

            And killing a child is bad but since a fetus is not a child not the same thing.

            See different things are different!

          • redheadgrl

            How many babies from all over the world are put to death via the death penalty?

          • salvagesalvage

            None that I am aware of.

          • djshawman

            How would you know what we care about? What a silly argument. Of course we care about babies dying – all babies…no matter their present location. You have a very warped opinion of God and pro-life. Go ahead and have sex. Just be accountable for your own actions. Don’t commit murder and don’t ask me to pay so that you can do so.

          • salvagesalvage

            Your god is warped, it killed how babies in the Bible again? From the Flood to Egypt what’s its body count? It’s so weird you think your bloodthirsty god is “pro-life”. In the Old Testament how many wars did it order? The Christian religion became the official religion of the Empire after how many civil wars? It was spread over Europe by how many invasions? North America how many Natives died for Jesus?

            I don’t think you give what you say much thought.

            And you don’t care about babies dying otherwise you’d demand that Obamacare has a pre and post natal component that guarantees the mother gets the best care to ensure a safe delivery and healthy life for the child.

            But nah, you’d rather scream at women getting abortions.

          • missjaycee

            If it isn’t any of our business then the government shouldn’t be my business by forcing me and small businesses everywhere to pay for it!

          • salvagesalvage

            They’re not, they’re forcing health insurance programs to pay for a health insurance item that many already pay for. This isn’t anything new it’s just another attempt to stymie Obamacare with this ridiculous “religious freedom!” angle.

            It’s simple, you don’t get to pick and choose what your employees do with their compensation. What they use their health insurance for is none of the employers’ business.

            If you don’t like birth control, great! don’t use it but you do not get to force your “morality” on other people.

            It’s so weird that you can’t understand that.

          • salvagesalvage

            >No. It’s about the baby.

            No, if we are talking about an abortion we are talking about
            a fetus, a baby is what a fetus becomes but until it does it is a fetus.

            >And unfortunately, the majority of abortions are done by
            those who use it as birth control

            I’m not sure if that’s true but I do know it doesn’t matter.
            See part of the point you’re not getting is that it’s none of your business. It’s not your body, not your concern, it’s as private a thing as anything private can be. Your opinion along with the rest of the world’s is not sought nor should it be considered. It is her body so her motives for whatever she does with it are meaningless.

            >People need to stop having sex if they aren’t prepared
            to deal with the results.

            Ah, now here we go, this is closer to the truth of the “pro-life”
            movement, it’s not the dead baby that upsets you, its people having sex that really gets you angry. How people “deal with the results” is your business how again?

            >It isn’t as though we haven’t had sex ed shoved down our
            throats enough to know how babies are made.

            Yeah, see sex-ed leads to less pregnancy but more sex and
            again, that’s what really gets you upset.

            Why on Earth do you care about other people’s consensual sex
            lives?

            >Use a condom, take the pill,

            And they do and if you really don’t want people having an
            abortion make these easy to get and education to explain how to use them to full effect.

            But sometimes these contraceptive steps fail (sometimes because
            they didn’t get proper instruction on their use) and then the woman makes a choice for whatever reason they don’t want to have a baby so they have a safe abortion. You don’t have to like it, you don’t want to have an abortion, don’t but don’t think your reasons for not having one means you get to tell other people what to do with their own bodies. You don’t and you’d have to be insane to think you do.

            >or heaven for bid..DON’T HAVE SEX!!!

            Why? What’s wrong with having sex for the sake of having
            sex. Sex is fun, healthy and one of the better parts of life. People should have as much sex as they like. What is your problem with sex?

            >Women’s rights huh?

            No, not really, it’s a basic human right expressed by the
            Founding Fathers, our bodies are our own selves, that is our ultimate liberty to think and do whatever we want as long as it doesn’t cause others problems.

            Women having abortions causes no one any problem save the fetus but that fetus is part of the woman and thus is herself. She has complete and final say just as men do over their own bodies.

            >Are you at all concerned that the majority of babies
            aborted are girls-future democrats?

            Even if that were true or made the slightest bit of sense it
            wouldn’t matter because my opinion is meaningless.

            > Guess their rights don’t count.

            They don’t , a fetus has no more rights than the sperm and
            egg it came from to earn your rights to be human you have to escape the womb until then you live and die at your mother’s pleasure.

          • Lovetorun2

            ” that is our ultimate liberty to think and do whatever we want as long as it doesn’t cause others problems.”…”until then you live and die at your mother’s pleasure”

            Wow Salvage…do you not see the contradiction in your own words? (of course you don’t…the question is rhetorical)

            First, why would you call a nonhuman fetus a “you”? A “you” is human being!

            Second, seems like dying would cause a BIG problem for whomever died!!! (and by your own admission, a fetus can die at its mother’s pleasure).

            You did get one thing right…

            “… my opinion is meaningless.”
            Ain’t that the truth!

          • salvagesalvage

            No contradiction and if the best you can muster are semantics then you have no real argument.

          • ceyanne

            “if the best you can muster are semantics then you have no real argument.” Pot, meet kettle.

          • salvagesalvage

            Uh no, the fact that a fetus is not outside the mother’s body isn’t semantic, it’s a fact.

          • http://www.shockandblog.com/ Jay McHue

            You have absolutely no argument beyond semantics, fool.

          • salvagesalvage

            No, I’m pretty sure a fetus is one thing and a person/human is a another. The fetus becomes the person just as the sperm and egg become the fetus.

            See if one were to take your line of thought to the logical conclusion every time a woman has her period she’s killing a person. And every time a man masturbates he’s a mass murderer.

          • djshawman

            I see. If you just keep regurgitating the argument that life isn’t life unless the mother deems it life, you’ll feel better about murder. Seems to me many evil people throughout history have had the same argument to justify their killing. By admitting that it is a human life, you must also admit that by extinguishing that life, you are in fact murdering. That must be very hard for you to admit.

          • AMSilver

            Another glowing example of liberal’s anti-science bias. Science gets in the way of what they want too often. They feel it should be the way they want it, so science be damned!

          • salvagesalvage

            No, it’s still life but it’s a life that the mother has complete say over. You can call it murder all you like but it clearly isn’t unless you think the vast majority of the planet are murderers because abortion is legal pretty much everywhere.

            No, evil people usually have more politically driven motivations, like oil.

            It’s life but it’s not human, it’s a fetus, again different things are different.

          • http://www.zazzle.com/angrymobwear WhatWouldJeffersonDo?

            fe·tus
            /ˈfētəs/
            NounAn unborn or unhatched offspring of a mammal, in particular an unborn human baby more than eight weeks after conception.

          • salvagesalvage

            an unborn human baby

            And if it were born it would be a person but as long as the un is there it is not.

            Thank you for pointing out that different things are different!

          • http://www.shockandblog.com/ Jay McHue

            Looks like you changed your argument. Before, it was “fetuses are not humans until they are born.” Now, it’s “fetuses aren’t persons until they are born.” So, what’s the definition of person? Merriam-Webster gives the primary definition as ” human, individual.” Oops. Once again, basic definitions are not on your side.

          • salvagesalvage

            Well that is very clever, semantic arguments often show how well established your point is, but person and human are same things really. And you will never find a human or person living inside their mother’s woman and you will never find a fetus ridding a bus or playing football or doing much that people do.

          • Lovetorun2

            Salvage – nope – “person” and “human” are not the same thing to many in my discipline (psychology). “Human” is the biological classification that distinguishes us as different from members of other species. “Person” (a concept we “borrowed” from philosophy) involves the capacity for having certain capablities (e.g. self-awareness, consciousness, etc.). This distinction can obviously introduce a new set of arguments and suppositions related to abortion and infanticide but there is an important distinction in my discipline and profession.

          • salvagesalvage

            Sure, that’s fair enough but a fetus is neither a person or a human.

          • djshawman

            You won’t find a new born baby doing those things either. Still human are they not? Location makes no difference. As I pointed out to you early, a baby one day from birth is no different than one who has just been born. Not one thing….except location. Not human until the mother says it is. How nice.

          • salvagesalvage

            Location makes all the difference, inside the womb, fetus, outside, baby.

            It’s so simple you should even understand it.

          • djshawman

            So because many people do something, it isn’t wrong? Lying isn’t illegal nor is adultery in many parts of the world. Does that make it OK? Of course it’s human life. God, science, and the majority of people in the world say so.

          • salvagesalvage

            Sure, so what’s your point? You don’t like abortion, don’t have one but that doesn’t mean you get to tell other people what they can do with their own bodies.

            See that’s the point you lot refuse to address, it’s none of your business because it’s not your body.

            But they’re women! They can’t be in charge, not even of themselves, they don’t have a penis!

          • Slapweasel

            @salvagesalvage:

            You are a disgusting individual. I’m going to go ahead and dislike you.

            …not enough to inject saline into your brain and eradicate you for selfish reasons, but enough to avoid you at parties.

        • Catchance

          Interestingly, most of us are actually “pro-woman”. Did you know that women who have had abortions are 5 times as likely to commit suicide (as women who have carried their babies to term)? They’re also more prone to depression and all of its side effects.

          Your insistence that somehow we are against “sluts having sex and getting away with it” is also wrong. I don’t know of a single person on this comment section who is against contraception, whether for married or single women. We are against the Sandra Flukes who think their employers (or we, the taxpayers) should be paying for it. I personally am against abortafacients, but aside from not wanting to pay for them, I’m not for banning them.

          The argument that abortion prevents child abuse later on has been proven wrong as the percentage of incidences of child abuse has risen sharply since Roe v Wade. That’s simply a statistic, but I can posit from that, that when a fetus’ life is not considered worth anything, it follows that babies will not be considered worthy either.

          If you work for Planned Parenthood I can understand that you’re going to be kicking and screaming against anyone who is against abortion, as that is your bread and butter. But as more and more scientific evidence comes out as to the miracle of babies, more and more people are realizing that abortion is wrong and are going with adoption.

          • salvagesalvage

            What I love about the “pro-life” movement is the “facts” they like to spout. No, women are not more prone to anything and I guess you’ve never heard of “post-postpartum depression”?

            > I don’t know of a single person on this comment section who is against contraception, whether for married or single women.

            Really? I think there are, in all these comments at me you’re the first to mention it.

            And you won’t pay for anything, it’s the insurance company that pays. See, another example of how you think things that are not your business are. And let’s say you did have to pay for them the pill prevents pregnancy so it prevents abortion, shouldn’t every woman have free access to save the fetuses?

            I’m not sure what you’re talking about in the case of child abuse but that sounds about as “truthy” as your “5 times likely”.

            And no, I don’t work for PP and no abortion is not their bread and butter. You’re not very keen on facts are you?

            And no a baby is not a miracle, it’s a perfectly common biological function that has been going on for at least a billion years on this planet. The real miracle is that it’s become much less dangerous than it has been for most of that time.

          • redheadgrl

            But salvage, where do you think the insurance company gets the money to pay for “free birth control”? By charging all members premiums. It’s a simple equation: X members * $X “free birth control” = $increase in overall costs/members. This equation will give the cost of premium increases to either A) all members or B) female members if the company can segment the costs. Nothing in this world is free.

          • salvagesalvage

            They sure do and so what? See it’s a pool of money, you can’t start picking and choosing what will be covered. And it’s so cute the way the argument goes from “Contraception is bad!” to “It’s going to cost money!”

            Which is won’t birth control is cheap bought in bulk from an insurance company it’s even cheaper.

            The reality is that health care insurance is part of your pay package and so just as how you spend the money your employer gives you is not their business how you “spend” your insurance isn’t either.

            Let’s say you have someone who works for you who spends their money on porn. For some weird reason this offends you, do you have the right to tell them they can’t buy porn with the money you give them?

          • redheadgrl

            Actually, for those of us who do have coverage through work, the money that pays for that benefit is directly correlated to what I am able to take home. So, if my portion of the premium through my employer goes up say, 10% (from $200 per month to $220 per month) to pay for “free birth control”, but my salary stays the same (or even if I got a 3% raise), then you can easily see how I am taking less money home to spend the way I want. Also, “free birth control” via healthcare coverage (which as you stated is a pool of everyone’s premiums) is not in any way equivalent to spending take home pay for contraceptives or porn (which BTW I couldn’t give 2 sh*ts how other people spend money they have earned). So your argument is invalid. Making BC “free”, or viagra, or heart transplants, or any other medical procedure/device/pill will increase insurance premium costs, and therefore decrease the amount of money plan participants take home. Very few employers are going to absorb the increase, they will pass it on to the employee.

            Just as if a company of 800 had premiums increase 20% because two obese employees had lap band surgery. I had to pay an extra $240 a year b/c of a couple of overweight, unhealthy employees. Same place required smokers to pay an additional $25/mo because statistically they are higher risk, and I saw no problem with that.

            For those whose employers do not provide this benefit, and must purchase in the market or on the new exchanges, “free birth control” will have the same effect. Higher premiums, therefore less money in their pocket to spend as they wish,.

            Birth control is covered in health insurance policies with a copay. If you buy generic, you pay as little as $4-10 per month, name brand will run you about $30-40 per month.

            I guess I just don’t understand the argument that BC should be free when you can get free condoms in plenty of places, as well as free BC pills at the county health clinics.

          • salvagesalvage

            It’s not free, it’s part of health insurance because it’s a medication. But it’s to do with sex so naturally people who freak out about sex are freaking out about it.

            Rates go up and down because of market forces, nothing more and nothing less.

          • djshawman

            You do know who started planned parenthood and why she started it right? You should look up Margaret Sanger. Silly me, there I go, caring about things other than sex.

          • salvagesalvage

            Ha! Ha! Yes! Because the early pp was steeped in eugenics nonsense that means woman have no say over their bodies!

            Hey you know America started with slavery so that means it’s no good! Because time changes nothing!

    • http://pennyrobinsonfanclub.net/ PennyRobinsonFanClub

      How sexist to think that all women think the same way! As bad as the racism which can’t understand why there are black Republicans.

      Coop, you’re going a little tongue-in-cheek there, right?

      • Guest

        He was being sarcastic.

        • AMERICAN Kafir™(KAdams)

          No, he wasn’t. Mark Cooper firmly believes what he spews.

          • thatoneguy

            Thanks… I’m deleting then.

        • mickeyco

          No; Mark means what he says.

      • Catchance

        I dunno… I think all of Mark’s comments are too deliberate to be real. I don’t think he’s actually a believer in what he says; he simply likes the reactions. He probably goes on lefty sites and makes up conservative viewpoints for fun.

  • Ms.Bohmont

    I’m a young…ish…. woman. I’m also single. I also don’t believe in abortion. I WON’T accept the legalized murder of unborn children.

    • Nutstuyu

      I have a single brother…

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004545402250 Ken Tender

      I praise the Lord for you Sabrina!!!!!

  • Taxpayer1234

    A whole lotta squee! there.

  • ZoriahShepard

    I’m not ‘kid friendly’ but those quotes are pretty damn cute.

    • http://twitter.com/1RandiStarr Randi Starr

      I’m not either, worship my 3 guys but I didn’t raise them in a
      democracy{their name wasn’t on the mortgage} so manners and respect was a
      mandate to ensure their good health.

  • V the K

    Love asking liberals which of my three foster kids they would have aborted.

    • $36544368

      On the same page…love answering liberals on why I didn’t abort my autistic son…I tell them it’s because I still had things I needed to learn, and he was the only one who could teach me.

  • $30423294

    This is how to beat the culture of death.

    They sneer as they saturate the culture with porn.

    I say, as powerful as their imagery is, there is a deeper desire in the human heart. All we need to do is present it. Young women know deep down they are not the undignified trash that popular culture portrays them as.

    We must appeal to that deepest need. We must magnify the dignity and miracle of human life. Flood the social media with our images — Mr. McInnes has done this!

    Our vision brings out the goodness of God, and by way of contrast it reveals the darkness and sickness of the culture of death.

    You people on the good guy team? Keep up the good work!

  • salvagesalvage

    And that’s why womens’ bodies are not their own; because other people have children and enjoy them!

    Compelling argument if you give the whole issue absolutely no thought.

    • NCRelite

      what does ownership of one’s body have to do with terminating human life?

      • salvagesalvage

        Well a fetus isn’t a human, it’s a human to be in the same way that sperm and eggs are fetuses to be. But whatever you decide that it is it’s moot because the fetus is part and parcel of the woman’s body and she’s the only one who has a say in what happens.

        • Lovetorun2

          What is your definition of being a “human?” Seems like there are 4 main differences between an unborn child and the rest of us “humans” – 1) size, 2) level of develoopment, 3) degree of dependency, and 4) environment…which one of the above determines our “humanness?” If size makes the difference than anyone of below average height/size would be “less human” than those who are of average size. Is it level of development? ‘Cause if that is the determining factor, my 18 month old nephew would be “less human” than my 13 year old daughter (’cause she is, after all, more advanced in her develoopment). Maybe it’s degree of dependency? Hhmm, that would mean my husband, who is legally blind w/o his glasses, is less human than someone who doesn’t need to wear glasses? Or maybe it’s environment…golly, I hope “where we come from” doesn’t determine our “humanness” otherwise the majority of us who don’t come from an environment of privilege are less human than those who are born “with a silver spoon in their mouths?”

          • salvagesalvage

            I thought I made it pretty clear, it’s really quite simple:

            Inside the mother: a fetus

            Outside the woman: A human

            Nothing to do with size, dependency, eye sight or anything else.

          • Lovetorun2

            Got it – so environment (where you live) dictates humanness…that is a very scary thought.

          • Frederick Weaver

            Salvage would fit right in with the Nazis and the KKK.

          • alicepoli1land

            That argument is ridiculous. From a purely scientific standpoint ,if I take a sample of cells from a fetus and have a scientist examine them they would see 46 chromosomes.then if you asked what animal those cells came from they would say “those are human cells” .A fetus is human . Humans come from humans as dogs come from dogs and cats come from cats. End of story. You have to find another argument to justify your extermination of a human in the fetal state.

          • Lovetorun2

            Excellent point alice!! One which salvage could never acknowledge…

          • salvagesalvage

            Nope, a fetus is a fetus and a human is a human, go look at the medical scientific definitions and tell me if you spot a difference there.

            A fetus becomes a human just as sperm and eggs become a fetus but a sperm and an egg are not a fetus.

            Different things, different!

          • http://www.zazzle.com/angrymobwear WhatWouldJeffersonDo?

            fe·tus
            /ˈfētəs/
            NounAn unborn or unhatched offspring of a mammal, in particular an unborn human baby more than eight weeks after conception.

          • mickeyco

            Excellent response.

          • Nutstuyu

            Ooh what cool magic you told us about!!11!1!1!111!!!

          • http://www.shockandblog.com/ Jay McHue

            Science, reason, logic, and a simple dictionary are not your friends. “Fetus” is just a term for a human at a certain stage of development, just like “infant,” “toddler,” “adolescent,” etc. “Fetus” is NOT a species, fool.

          • salvagesalvage

            “sperm and egg” is just a term for a human at a certain stage of development.

            I didn’t say fetus was a species, what I said and medical science backs me up here is that a fetus is not a person.

            People don’t live inside their mothers, that seems pretty obvious.

          • http://www.shockandblog.com/ Jay McHue

            Gosh, I didn’t realize that science determined when a member of the human species was a person. Could you please point me to the peer-reviewed scientific studies on personhood?

          • salvagesalvage

            Well science is all about determining stuff and I’m have no idea where such a study could be found but I do know that every medical text book describes a fetus as one thing and a human as another. That’s why they have different names and everything!

          • JustLikeAnimals

            You don’t know anything about science but you know what “every medical text” says. You are a fool.

          • salvagesalvage

            Oh I know a fair amount about science as I know that every medical textbook says a fetus is one thing and a baby another.

            See, that’s why we have two different words for them! Neat huh?

          • http://www.zazzle.com/angrymobwear WhatWouldJeffersonDo?

            fe·tus
            /ˈfētəs/
            NounAn unborn or unhatched offspring of a mammal, ***in particular an unborn human baby*** more than eight weeks after conception.

          • http://www.shockandblog.com/ Jay McHue

            So birth changes the baby’s species from “fetus” to human? Amazing!

          • salvagesalvage

            Yes! And isn’t it? Just as a sperm and egg meeting transform to a fetus.

          • Frederick Weaver

            You sound no different than slave owners who branded my great-grandfather as disposable livestock because he lacked White skin.
            I guess it’s no shock abortion kills Black kids at a rate that makes the racist terrorist group, the KKK, look like slackers.

          • salvagesalvage

            Ha! Ha! Yes! A woman being free to do whatever she wants with her body is slavery and agreeing with that makes me the real racist!

          • djshawman

            No, Salvage’s human or not test is whether or not it is wanted and dwells within a woman.

        • djshawman

          Interesting thought. I wonder why Scott Peterson was given the death sentence for killing his wife and unborn son? If the baby was not human, why punish him for the murder? Oh, I get it…. if the baby is wanted, it’s a life…If not, mere tissue. The BABY is a part of the woman’s body, but it has its own DNA. That makes it a separate life and killing it is murder no matter how you try to justify it. PERIOD.

          • salvagesalvage

            >Oh, I get it…. if the baby is wanted, it’s a life…If not, mere tissue.

            Sure, that’s about right.

            >but it has its own DNA

            It certainly does but until it clears the birth canal that doesn’t trump the fact that it’s the woman’s body and she has the only say.

            It’s so weird the way you think you have any say in another person’s body.

            > That makes it a separate life

            Nope. When something is in something it’s not separate.

          • djshawman

            Did you actually go to school you daft cow? You just contradicted yourself. If some scientist found this same life on another planet you’d be creaming yourself over the prospect…but here on earth…nope not a life…except science says if it has it’s own separate DNA it is a separate life.

          • salvagesalvage

            No, a fetus is a fetus, nothing to do with DNA or other planets. If a fetus were a baby we’d call it a baby but since it is a fetus we call it a fetus.

            Different things are different!

          • Catchance

            Actually, the word ‘fetus’ is Latin for ‘offspring’ or ‘young one’. (You may be thinking of ’embryo’, which is what the baby is called up until around 8 weeks.) From then until birth it is a fetus. The fetus is separate from its mother and in its own amniotic sac, but cannot live without the mother, whose body gives it nourishment and oxygen. Because of this, when a woman who is pregnant is murdered, the law calls it a double homicide.

            If you have had an abortion and are suffering because of it, please go to a local pregnancy care center for some loving counseling, rather than try to rationalize. They will not condemn or otherwise blame you. In fact, those who are counselors have themselves had abortion(s).

          • salvagesalvage

            That’s nice, fetus could be Latin for person and it still wouldn’t change the fact that it is not one.

          • JustLikeAnimals

            Wow. Now we’re getting to the real issue: “I know I’m right, so don’t confuse me with the facts.”

            The ever-predictable subtextual mantra of liberalmarxistsocialstbrownshirtedgoosesteppingleftists everywhere.

          • djshawman

            Yet Connor Peterson (Laci Peterson’s unborn child) was considered a life and Scott Peterson was charged with double homicide for their deaths.

          • salvagesalvage

            Yet if Laci wanted to get an abortion she could have and she wouldn’t have been charged with anything.

            But tell me, should abortion be made illegal? Should the mother get the death penalty for killing her unborn child?

          • http://www.shockandblog.com/ Jay McHue

            Well, in a lot of states, that is the penalty for willfully and maliciously murdering another human being.

          • http://www.shockandblog.com/ Jay McHue

            So, I bet you are one of those idiots who thinks that a baby born prematurely at, say, 25 weeks gestation is more human than a baby still in the womb at 35 weeks gestation. Liberals and logic are like oil and water.

          • salvagesalvage

            No, I think that once a fetus leaves its mother’s womb it stops being a fetus and becomes a human baby.

            It’s not that difficult a concept, you should be able to grasp it.

          • http://www.shockandblog.com/ Jay McHue

            So, that actually would be a “yes.”

          • salvagesalvage

            Yes, once a fetus leaves the womb it’s not longer a fetus.

          • JustLikeAnimals

            You should have been aborted.

          • salvagesalvage

            Hyuck! That’s the closest thing a wingnut can come to wit.

          • Lovetorun2

            So, by your reasoning, when I park my car inside the garage it ceases to be a separate entity from the garage…what??

          • salvagesalvage

            No. A garage isn’t a person a car isn’t a fetus or a baby.

            You can’t find a comparison to base it own, sex and reproduction are unique but what isn’t unique is that ourselves are inviolable. This is standard Western law and you don’t get to pick and choose when it applies.

          • Lovetorun2

            You are the one who said: “Nope. When something is in something it’s not separate.” Car in garage = not separate by your reasoning.

            “what isn’t unique is that ourselves are inviolable” not sure you even understand what you are trying to say here but it could be argued that the statement applies to a fetus as well…

          • salvagesalvage

            The statement does not apply to a fetus, it only applies to people which a fetus is not.

          • djshawman

            So if a man’s penis is inside his wife’s vagina, does she now retain ownership of that too for as long as it remains there?

          • salvagesalvage

            No, but she has the right to say that she doesn’t want it there at any point. Why? Because IT’S HER BODY.

          • Frederick Weaver

            Owning Black people as property (read: slaves) was also once legal under “Western law.”
            Just because evil is legal doesn’t make it any less evil.

          • salvagesalvage

            Yup, and women were viewed also as property, that’s all changed and that’s why they’re free to do whatever they want with their bodies.

            I know that makes you very angry because as man you know better about their wombs!

          • http://www.facebook.com/dan.cappiello.5 Dan Cappiello

            “It’s so weird the way you think you have any say in another person’s body” – salvagesalvage. Funny you should say that.

        • conservativechick

          I feel sorry for you slavage. You have a cold heart.

        • Nutstuyu

          Apparently you deny the science of genetics then: the “fetus” has DNA distinct from the mother’s and ather’s.

          • salvagesalvage

            It sure does and it also has an umbilical cord and a host of other features that prevent it from being called a human the most notable being the inability to be outside the womb. That’s a huge one right there.

          • WilliamAmos

            The same is true of Daily Kos readers.

          • http://www.zazzle.com/angrymobwear WhatWouldJeffersonDo?

            fe·tus
            /ˈfētəs/
            NounAn unborn or unhatched offspring of a mammal, ***in particular an unborn human baby*** more than eight weeks after conception.

          • http://www.shockandblog.com/ Jay McHue

            Even the dictionary is against him.

          • http://www.shockandblog.com/ Jay McHue

            Ah, so the umbilical cord is one of the things you claim determines if the baby is human or not. Okay, then answer this: since it can be several moments until the umbilical cord is actually cut, is the child then still not human outside the womb as long as the umbilical connection still exists?

          • salvagesalvage

            Not, a baby is a human, a fetus is not. Once the fetus has left the womb it is a baby. Nothing to do with the cord.

          • JustLikeAnimals

            “a human fetus.”

          • salvagesalvage

            Yes, is not a human baby.

        • http://www.zazzle.com/angrymobwear WhatWouldJeffersonDo?

          Nope. Mom contributes half the DAN, pop contributes the other half, resulting in separate DNA, and thus not part of her body. Idiot. The choice of what to do with her body would be the sex that resulted in the pregnancy in the first place.

          fe·tus

          /ˈfētəs/

          Noun: An unborn or unhatched offspring of a mammal, in particular an unborn human baby more than eight weeks after conception.

          • salvagesalvage

            I’m not sure why you think having unique DNA means the fetus isn’t inside the womb but it is. If you’re still confused about that point I can’t help you.

            Ah yes, sex, the real reason why you hate abortion.

            Yes, you’re right the sex was her choice as is having the baby or having an abortion. All of these things have to do with her own body and no one else has any say.

            I know, I know but you’re right and she’s wrong! That should mean you get to tell her what to do but alas the Constitution, natural law and sense say otherwise.

          • djshawman

            A fetus is alive. It has its own heartbeat, it’s own DNA, its own brain. Everything on the baby is unique to itself. You determine its worth, its humanness based on where it resides because it grows within the mother, the safest place on earth for a baby to be.

          • salvagesalvage

            It’s not a question of worth it’s a question of is it a part of the woman’s body? A fetus is so she has the only say as to what happens to it.

        • ceyanne

          Clearly salvage is of the mindset that the more you say something the truer it becomes.

          • salvagesalvage

            So a fetus doesn’t live inside a womb?

          • ceyanne

            So? It doesn’t matter where a fetus lives. It is still a human being, albeit an early stage of humanity. When the day comes, if it hasn’t already, when a fetus can exist in an external/artificial womb, where will your argument be then? Will abortion finally cease to be ok as the baby is not inside a human body any longer? I’d love to know how you will twist your argument around to make it ok then.

          • salvagesalvage

            Sure it matters, if a fetus is outside the womb it dies or stops being a fetus and becomes a person.

            An external or artificial womb is not inside a woman’s body so it’s not longer a part of her and is an entity unto-itself.

            It’s really quite simple, I’m not sure why you can understand it.

          • ceyanne

            So then location DOES matter? You can’t have it both ways. Either it matters or it doesn’t.

          • salvagesalvage

            It does matter, if it’s inside the mother it’s a fetus, if it’s outside the mother it’s a baby.

            I’m pretty sure I’ve said that several times here, what part of that is giving you trouble?

          • http://www.shockandblog.com/ Jay McHue

            “Fetus” is only a term used to describe a child at a certain stage of development. It is no different from terms like “infant,” “toddler,” “adolescent,” etc. “Fetus” is not some magical term that denotes that an unborn baby is not human.

          • salvagesalvage

            No, it is very different, for instance an infant or toddler or adolescent etc. does not live inside a womb breathing fluid while organs develop.

    • Chris Jones

      Women do have a right to do what they want with their own body. Abortion has nothing to do with that. Abortion is about weather its okay for a woman to dismember, rip apart or any of the other methods used to destroy this body, this human life within her.

      http://www.emmerich1.com/BABIES.htm

      If we’re going to have a real conversation, you have to stop acting like the unborn child doesn’t exist, and acknowledge that a real human life is being deliberately killed every time an abortion occurs.

      • salvagesalvage

        >Women do have a right to do what they want with their own body.

        Oh good, you understand the…

        >Abortion has nothing to do with that.

        Um. Are you sure we’re talking about the same thing? You do know where babies come from right? Like inside the woman’s body? So anything that happens inside the woman’s body is her body, so she can do whatever she likes with it and I’m afraid that includes abortion.

        >Abortion is about weather its okay for a woman to dismember, rip apart or any of the other methods used to destroy this body, this human life within her.

        Well yes, sure, we’ll say abortion is ripping and stuff but it still happens inside the woman’s body and it is okay, if that’s what she wants. Remember, you started by saying “women do have a right to do what they want with their own body.”

        >If we’re going to have a real conversation, you have to stop acting like the unborn child doesn’t exist,

        Sure it exists and abortion stops its existence, I don’t think anyone is arguing different.

        >and acknowledge that a real human life is being deliberately killed every time an abortion occurs.

        No, it’s a fetal life, not a human one. Humans don’t live inside their mother’s bodies attached via an umbilical cord. Those are called fetuses and they are certainly killed every time an abortion occurs. They’re also killed naturally quite often in the form of miscarriages. Sometimes women didn’t even know they were pregnant! In fact it’s only been in the last 150 years or so that fetuses have had better chances of survival to become babies. Yay science!

        But this is all academic. The fetus or unborn is inside the woman’s body, it is her and she is it and if she doesn’t want it because she was raped, or because it could threaten her own life or because she just doesn’t want to have a baby because she thinks babies suck it’s her choice to end or carry it to term because it’s her body.

        Which you agree with that she’s a has a right to.

        But let me ask you this, if you really don’t like people having abortions would you say then that they should use contraception? What if the pill was made freely available to all women of the age of consent? Would you be in favor or against?

        • djshawman

          If the baby is viable and can survive outside the womb, is it then human by your definition? What is the difference between a baby 1 day from birth versus a baby who has just been born?

          • salvagesalvage

            Once the fetus has left the womb it is a baby.

            The the difference between a baby 1 day from birth versus a baby who has just been born is that a it’s a fetus until it is born so it’s a fetus one day away from becoming a baby.

          • AMSilver

            You know, I keep hearing liberals say that they have the right to do whatever they want in their own bedrooms, too. I guess if it’s okay to dismember and murder another person because it’s in your body, you’ve got the right to dismember and murder another person because it’s in your bedroom.

          • salvagesalvage

            No, you have the right to do whatever you want in your bedroom that doesn’t interfere with other people or otherwise break the law.

            Murder would be something that would be allowed.

            Do you always have this much trouble understanding simple stuff?

          • frylock243

            No, but apparently you do because it interferes with what you would prefer to be true when it simply isn’t. A baby is a human being no matter where it happens to be physically, and as such, it has a right to its life. If its mother didn’t want it, she should have thought of that BEFORE she engaged in sexual activity and conceived it. This would be the proper point for her to control what happens inside her uturus.
            But I know, that involves some self-control, self-respect and actual physical restraint.

          • salvagesalvage

            >A baby is a human being no matter where it happens to be physically,

            Absolutely but what has that got to do with abortion? A fetus is not a baby.

            >If its mother didn’t want it, she should have thought of that BEFORE she engaged in sexual activity and conceived it.

            And if she did think of it but her birth control failed? Or perhaps she was raped? Not that he motives are an issue, it’s still her body but still you are ascribing motivations knowledge to a situation you know nothing about and that is none of your business.

            >This would be the proper point for her to control what happens inside her uturus.

            Ah, so if she doesn’t so what you think is “proper” she looses her rights over her uterus?

            >But I know, that involves some self-control, self-respect and actual physical restraint.

            Ha! Ha! She’s a dirty slut for having sex so now she should be forced to have a child as punishment.

            That’s the real motivation behind “pro-life” thank you for providing another example.

          • JustLikeAnimals

            “No, you have the right to do whatever you want in your bedroom that doesn’t interfere with other people or otherwise break the law.

            Murder would be something that would be allowed.”

            Wow. You’ve really gone off the deep end. You should check yourself into a hospital for 72 hour psych evaluation.

            Tell them a decent person recommended you.

          • redheadgrl
          • salvagesalvage

            One day from birth?

          • redheadgrl

            My point was that this baby was born at 23 weeks. In a healthier pregnancy, you would consider her a “fetus” when it is clear babies can live being born so premature. In my opinion, if a woman aborted a baby that can live outside the womb, one day before birth or no, it is the taking of a life.

          • salvagesalvage

            That’s your opinion, great but fortunately your opinion having any effect on a womb begins and ends with your own. You don’t get to say what other women can do with theirs.

            I know, I know, you’re right and they’re horrific baby killing monsters.

          • redheadgrl

            Actually, I don’t advocate for federal abortion laws, I don’t believe it is a political issue. However, if anyone ever came to ask for my help, guidance, or council, I would lobby very hard against abortion and for adoption. However, I do believe the sanitizing of abortion is part of the problem with our culture and loss of respect for life we have been experiencing.

          • salvagesalvage

            And that is fair enough and more than fair that you give your opinion but at the end it’s the woman’s choice, right or wrong.

            And I don’t see any loss of respect for life, in fact we live longer and healthier lives than any generations before us.

            Clinton said it best, abortion needs to be legal, safe and rare.

          • JustLikeAnimals

            “you’re right and they’re horrific baby killing monsters.”

            Yaaaaaayyyy!!!!Gold star for you!! You’re starting to catch on now!!!! Your natural-born instincts, commonsense, and logic are starting to come forward and you are finally seeing the error of your leftist brainwashing. Keep trying and you will eventually begin to think like a rational human again.

            Congratulations!!!

          • salvagesalvage

            Yes, sometimes wingnuts can’t get satire or sarcasm, it’s to do with wit; they have none.

          • mhojai

            You do realize that babies “premature” and survived? Quite obviously the child is “alive” far before being exposed to the air.
            Your pathetic illogic and fanatic assertion of a “right” to commit murder lives up to your “savage” moniker…can’t expect much more from a primitve, mindless beast

          • salvagesalvage

            Yup, they sure have and some don’t but that has nothing to do with what a woman decides to do with her womb and what’s inside of it. And as long as the fetus is inside her it’s her choice.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004545402250 Ken Tender

            The fact of the matter is this. Science eats your lunch at every point in this argument and yet you STILL refuse to see the error of your ways. This tells the world that either you are a murderous, lying, evil person or you worship self and/or the female gender.

            But take heart because your Creator – your Lord – has the power to change your heart just like he changed my murderous, lying, evil heart and just like he changed me from worshipping self.

            Norma McCorvey ( Jane Roe ) had a heart change. Dr.Bernard Nathanson ( the father of the modern U.S. abortion movement ) had a heart change. It happens every single day once people look up. Once they look outside of themselves and put their focus on the Creator rather than the created. So take heart because you are dearly loved and highly esteemed by the One who created you.

            So when you come to know Him and love him then I cannot wait to see you and rejoice with you on THAT day. Until then may He love you and keep you and cause His face to shine upon you.

          • Lovetorun2

            Desiree – According to salvage, it is our environment (where we live) that dictates our humanness. Inside the womb = fetus and not human. Outside the womb = human. This is an often used “tactic” by the “pro-choice” folks to lessen any potential cognitive dissonance related to their position (many would have a very difficult time maintaining a pro-choice position if they believed the fetus was a baby or a human).

          • djshawman

            Interesting. When the Nazi’s killed the Jews, they referred to them as non human as well. Anything to help people sleep at night. But why stop here? If our worth is determined by our location, and whether or not we are wanted, parents should be allowed to abort children up until they are aware of their own existence.Peter Singer, (a “moral” philosopher) believes that we should be able to do so if we change our minds about having children even after they are born.

        • Chris Jones

          Wow, this a very very sad and ignorant response.

          “Um. Are you sure we’re talking about the same thing? You do know where babies come from right? Like inside the woman’s body? So anything that happens inside the woman’s body is her body, so she can do whatever she likes with it and I’m afraid that includes abortion.”

          No, just because something is inside you does not mean it is part of you. The unborn child is a separate living human life. She has no right to kill the baby because of where it is. Allow me to quote Dr. Albert Liley, known as, “The Father of Fetology” who once summed it up nicely,

          “Biologically, at no stage can we subscribe to the view that the fetus is a mere appendage of the mother…. It is the embryo who stops his mother’s periods and makes her womb habitable by developing a placenta and a protective capsule of fluid for himself. He regulates his own amniotic fluid volume and although women speak of their waters breaking or their membranes rupturing, these structures belong to the fetus. And finally, it is the fetus, not the mother, who decides when labor should be initiated.”

          “Well yes, sure, we’ll say abortion is ripping and stuff but it still happens inside the woman’s body and it is okay, if that’s what she wants. Remember, you started by saying “women do have a right to do what they want with their own body.””

          Her own body, but not to the child’s body.

          “No, it’s a fetal life, not a human one.”

          According to science it is a human life. Here allow me to quote some of the most respected Scientits in the world on when human life begins. , in 1981 some of the world’s most renowned scientists were called to testify before the U.S senate. Their testimonies can be considered no less then damning to the pro-abortion side. These weren’t just some group of scientists running their mouths; these are the best of the best telling us like it is.

          Dr. Jerome Lejeune, the world renowned geneticist known as “The father of modern genetics” was called to testify and stated bluntly: “After Fertilization has taken place a new human being has come into being. It is no longer a matter of taste or opinion…it is plain experimental evidence. Each individual has a very neat beginning, at conception.”

          Dr. Hymie Gordon, who was the Chairman at the Department of Genetics at Mayo Clinic was also clear in saying: “By all criteria of modern molecular biology, life is present from the moment of conception…Science has a very simple conception of man; as soon as he has been conceived, a man is a man.”

          Dr. Alfred Bongiovanni, University of Pennsylvania School of Medicine stated confidently: “I am no more prepared to say that these early stages represent an incomplete human being than I would be to say that the child prior to the dramatic effects of puberty … is not a human being….I have learned from my earliest medical education that human life begins at the time of conception.”

          Dr. Mathews-Roth, gave testimony from over 20 embryology and medical text books that all said human life begins at conception, and said: “It is incorrect to say that biological data cannot be decisive…. It is scientifically correct to say that an individual human life begins at conception…. Our laws, one function of which is to help preserve the lives of our people, should be based on accurate scientific data.”

          Dr. Watson A. Bowes, University of Colorado Medical School: “The beginning of a single human life is from a biological point of view is a simple and straightforward matter—the beginning is conception. This straightforward biological fact should not be distorted to serve sociological, political, or economic goals.”

          Dr. McCarthy De Mere, physician as well as a law professor at the University of Tennessee stated: “The exact moment of the beginning [of] personhood and of the human body is at the moment of conception.” (3)

          By the end of the hearings the Senate was more than convinced. This is the conclusion the Senate report came to at the end of the hearings.

          “Physicians, biologists, and other scientists agree that conception marks the beginning of the life of a human being—a being that is alive and is a member of the human species. There is overwhelming agreement on this point in countless medical, biological, and scientific writings.” (4)

          If these quotes aren’t good enough for you, I also have some quotes for you from modern day medical texts.

          The Developing Human: Clinically Oriented Embryology, 6th ed. Keith L. Moore, Ph.D. & T.V.N. Persaud, Md., (Philadelphia: W.B. Saunders Company, 1998), 2-18:

          “[The Zygote] results from the union of an oocyte and a sperm. A zygote is the beginning of a new human being. Human development begins at fertilization, the process during which a male gamete or sperm … unites with a female gamete or oocyte … to form a single cell called a zygote. This highly specialized, totipotent cell marks the beginning of each of us as a unique individual.”

          Essentials of Human Embryology, William J. Larsen, (New York: Churchill Livingstone, 1998), 1-17:

          “In this text, we begin our description of the developing human with the formation and differentiation of the male and female sex cells or gametes, which will unite at fertilization to initiate the embryonic development of a new individual. … Fertilization takes place in the oviduct … resulting in the formation of a zygote containing a single diploid nucleus. Embryonic development is considered to begin at this point… This moment of zygote formation may be taken as the beginning or zero time point of embryonic development.”

           

          Keith L. Moore, The Developing Human: Clinically Oriented Embryology, 7th edition. Philadelphia, PA: Saunders, 2003. pp. 16, 2.

          “Human begins at fertilization, the process during which a male gamete or sperm (spermatozoo developmentn) unites with a female gamete or oocyte (ovum) to form a single cell called a zygote. This highly specialized, totipotent cell marked the beginning of each of us as a unique individual.” “A zygote is the beginning of a new human being (i.e., an embryo).”

          Keith L. Moore, Before We Are Born: Essentials of Embryology, 7th edition. Philadelphia, PA: Saunders, 2008. p. 2:

          “[The zygote], formed by the union of an oocyte and a sperm, is the beginning of a new human being.”

          This is a straight forward matter. All human life begins at conception, all human life must be protected under the law from conception forward.

          • salvagesalvage

            >All human life begins at conception,

            Sure, but that and all of the other stuff that is for the most part accurate doesn’t change the fact that the fetus, that life, is inside the woman who as a human being has complete and unalterable say as to what happens to it.

            See that’s the bit you ignore, you, the government, no one can tell someone what they can or cannot do with their own body and person. Not only is it morally wrong it’s completely unenforceable, see the war on drugs for an example.

            If you are truly against abortion than you should be encouraging sex-ed and free and easy access to contraception, that is really the only practical way to reduce abortions.

          • Frederick Weaver

            Or you could encourage people to have sex AFTER they are married. That way the child is born to people who view it was a blessing instead of burden to be killed. Sure, the contraceptive companies would be upset by the loss of profits, but those are the breaks.

            Let’s remember that for most of America’s history people were fulling capable of restraining themselves sexually until they found their husband or wife. If wasn’t until the Sexual Revolution that Americans embraced the frankly demeaning worldview that people were dumb animals rules by their instincts not their intellects.

          • salvagesalvage

            Yes, this is a great example of the fear and loathing of sex that really drives the “pro-life” movement.

            Yes! There was no per-marital sex before the damned 60s and those dirty f*cking hippies!

          • Red47

            It might even be a shorter explanation…when the egg and sperm meet and form a zygote and then embryo, does the mother go to the doc to get her pony removed? We all know it’s a human growing en utero. These scientists are phenomenal. Thank you for the info. I am certain to use it.
            I am still amazed that someone can say it is okay to shred a human when it is in a mother’s body, but not once it is out. The dichotomy is clear.
            Happy New Year.

        • http://www.zazzle.com/angrymobwear WhatWouldJeffersonDo?

          fe·tus
          /ˈfētəs/
          NounAn unborn or unhatched offspring of a mammal, in particular an unborn human baby more than eight weeks after conception.

          • salvagesalvage

            Yeah, you can keep bolding stuff but still that “un” part to the born means it’s not a person.

        • BeeKaaay

          Typical. Bloodthirsty leftwingwackos believe in horrific violence against children. Their approved method is to rip them limb from limb.

          • salvagesalvage

            Ha! Ha! Yes! That’s why the vast majority of the planet has legal abortion because they hate babies and love ripping them to pieces!

            You clearly give the whole complex subject a great deal of thought and consideration!

          • BeeKaaay

            What’s so complex about it? Dehumanizing others and calling for their destruction as a RIGHT? It is bloodthirsty. That’s what it is all about.

          • salvagesalvage

            Ha! Ha! Yes! I am dehumanizing fetus and calling for their destruction because I hate babies!

            No, wait, what I am saying is

            a) Women have complete control over their bodies.

            b) A fetus is not a person / human in the same way a sperm and egg are not a fetus.

            c) Pro-life is more anti-sex than anything, never see the pro-lifers at the anti-war or death penalty rallies showing that really fetus life is the only kind they care about.

            d) If you really wanted to curb abortion you would be agitating for free birth control and comprehensive sex-ed.

          • BeeKaaay

            a) The baby is not her body, she is someone else’s body.
            b) Science denying is fun right?
            c) So the pro-abort position is not about a woman’s body, it is about sex.

            d) Comprehensive sex ed done by whom? Oh yeah, propaganda outlets. Contraception causes more unwanted pregnancies, studies proven that.

            Just more excuses for bloodthirst. Stop blaming and punishing the baby for the mistakes the parents.

        • JustLikeAnimals

          Well, wow. By your logic then at anytime during a child’s life the mom decides she’s had enough, she can just kill it. So a mass killing of children is ok. That explains why it’s ok for 1.2 million children to be murdered in this country every year. I get it now. Killing children is ok.
          Thanks so much for clearing that up, because there for a minute I thought we were pissed off about people killing children. But now I get it. It’s ok

          hmph. Live and learn.

          • salvagesalvage

            Well, wow. By your logic then at anytime during a child’s life the mom decides she’s had enough, she can just kill it.

            No, see children live outside the womb, fetuses live in it. Why can’t you understand that rather obvious point?

            Hmm, maybe this will help, go to Toys’R’Us, a local zoo or other family place and a school. Count how many fetuses you see, count how many children. Maybe that will help you understand that difference?

      • Catchance

        Savage Salvage works for Planned Parenthood. Those are the only talking points she knows.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004545402250 Ken Tender

        Preach Chris preach!!! Stood up and clapped at your reply here!!! Fantastic.

    • JustLikeAnimals

      Rights come inextricably connected to responsibilities. You leftistmarxistocialistgoosesteppingliberals have never been able to figure that out.

      You choose to have the right and freedom to live a promiscuous, carefree lifestyle and don’t want the burden of responsibilities that can result from that choice. “Oops. I made a baby. No worries. I’ll kill it.” And don’t play the rape or life of the mother card. Those extenuating circumstances cannot account or excuse 1.2 million abortions a year for 40 years.

      But liberal as soooooooo enlightened. Bullshit. You people are a subspecies of human, and you are by your own choices a dying breed.

      Nice master plan to take over the world, liberals!!!

      Dumb assess.

      • salvagesalvage

        Ah yes, that’s some tasty wingnutting right there, it’s what keeps me coming back to Twitty.

        No, rights are not connected to anything, that’s what makes them right, what you are thinking of are privileges.

        And sometimes it’s “Ooops! I was gang raped on a bus!” or “Ooops I was molested by my father!” but as I’ve said the motives don’t matter because it’s not my business nor yours why she is getting an abortion. It could very well be as you say but that doesn’t matter. It’s her body, her choice, the end.

        • JustLikeAnimals

          So you think the right to freedom of speech is completely unconstrained and that you can yell “fire” in a crowded theater and should not be held responsible for the mayhem that ensues?

          • salvagesalvage

            Of course not, that test answer the simple question “Can free speech hurt other people?” in that scenario yes it can do it can be reasonably curbed.

            In the case of a woman having an abortion no person’s rights or safety is being affected in the slightest. No, it’s a fetus it is not a person so it has no rights. The mother on the other hand is a person and does have rights and one of those rights is the right to her own body.

            Just because the egg split on her it doesn’t mean the Constitution or her rights have. If she doesn’t want to have anything in her womb for any reason it’s not anyone’s business.

            It’s so strange you can’t understand that. I love how wingnuts scream about freedom and small government yet they want the government to tell women what they can and cannot do with their own person. This is why you are wingnuts, you pick and choose when you want to be absolutist about your beliefs. Being “pro-life” and pro-death penalty is an example of this.

            Which you are, right?

  • digitalPimple

    We are a country that values life or we are not. The question is not on a women’s right, but whether it’s scientifically and medically ethical; Just as Nazi science studies on jews where. If we choose to value life/human life then abortion would be reserved for its true medical purpose/situations. We have made the medical term “abortion” into a daily fad topic. It is a horrendous decisions only to be made in RARE and extremely sad medical situations.

    This fiy by-night attitude with people tossing out the “term” abortion and pretending it is just a no big deal something is truly sick. It is a deep sickness in this world and our society.

  • disqus_FpRJZ96WR5

    Abortion is murder. Period. Anyone who has to use mental gymnastics to defend this is in serious denial.

    • JustLikeAnimals

      Yep. At a rate of 1.2 million murders per year in America for the last 40 years, it make you wonder why all the goose-stepping, brown-shirted, Marxist-socialist Obamabots aren’t screaming to high heaven about this killing spree.

  • http://www.shockandblog.com/ Jay McHue

    A pro-life Libertarian? Now I’ve seen everything!

  • http://www.shockandblog.com/ Jay McHue

    Dear salvagesalvage,

    Pray tell, what species is “fetus?”

    Sincerely,
    People with brains

    • BeeKaaay

      Shhhh! You know leftwingwackos are science deniers. 😛

  • redheadgrl
  • BeeKaaay

    Remember, leftwingwackos are bloodthirsty. They think kids should be ripped from limb to limb. That’s their approved method of killing kids.

  • JustLikeAnimals

    1.2 million child murders per year in America for the past 40 years.

    Wonder why the Marxist-socialist, brown-shirted goose-stepping left aren’t up in arms over that killing spree?

    Interesting.