New York Times editor evolves on politicization of gun violence

The White House seemed to evolve quickly today in its stance on gun control in light of the shooting in Newtown, Conn. Soon after spokesman Jay Carney told reporters that today is not the day to debate gun control legislation, President Obama emerged to call for unspecified but “meaningful action.”

The New York Times’ Andrew Rosenthal showed similar restraint in not politicizing the tragedy, at least not immediately. The Wall Street Journal’s James Taranto took notice.

Three hours later, after New York Mayor Mike Bloomberg demanded immediate action on gun control (likely in response to Obama’s restraint), the Times editor followed suit.

Update, 12/15/12:

We missed this last night, but Ace of Spades also called out Rosenthal on his blog.

As with so many Ace posts, the headline is a work of art. Don’t miss it.

  • $7401089

    No need to worry, the amount of time that will be allowed to pass before addressing the inevitable death threats from lefty haters is 3 hours after never.

    • Conservativesniper

      Make a death threat against me or my family and I’ll see your ass in court, keyboard warrior. Just making a death threat is assault. This is addressed to all the naive, gullible and abjectly stupid left wingers.

    • Conservativesniper

      Make a death threat against me or my family and I’ll see your ass in court, keyboard warrior. Just making a death threat is assault. This is addressed to all the naive, gullible and abjectly stupid left wingers.

  • Chance Boudreaux

    Hey Man, they’re on a schedule to Collectivize America, why would they wait for this Golden Moment to pass Gun Control. I bet a LOT of Leftists have wet their undies in excitement over this “chance”.

  • http://twitter.com/ebbtide252 diamondNtheRough

    This is not the time to act like smart alecs about the whole gun control thing. Today is the time to think about those who lost loved ones. Their children deserve better than for you people to have an argument about whether it is the left or the right who is right here. Too many times people are caught up in themselves and how things affect them than to think about others. Take a minute and think!! Lives were lost today as is everyday unfortunately but there comes a time when these things shouldn’t be politicized. The only thing that should be on your mind. People are hurting tonight. Be man enough to be human. Put yourself in these peoples place and you might feel different. At least act like you care about something other than your stupid guns.

    • Mark L. Warner

      The problem with this statement is that the left are already politicizing the incident…hence the whole point of the discussion. Since they have already broken the ice on the issue, it is imperative that the right respond or get lost in the debate. Go back to Poli Sci class please.

    • http://www.facebook.com/lisa.dean.564 Lisa Dean

      Really @twitter-146260529:disqus – it became politicized by liberals as soon as the first report came out. The children and adults who lost their lives do deserve respect and so do their families. That respect was thrown out the window by the media and every other person who seized upon this tragedy in order to further push the “gun control” agenda. I would also like to point out to you that the tragedies lately that have involved guns have happened in states that have some of the strictest gun laws in the US. So please take a moment and not blame those of us who own guns first and don’t condemn us either.

    • Richard Willey

      You FOOL!! you think every one isnt hurting because of these murders …LIB IDIOT..

  • 5n4k33y35

    After 9/11 there were Air Marshals with concealed weapons on flights to deter terrorists. The same thing can be done for schools.

    Children are everything to their families. Having so many children in one place is a good reason for having an armed security guard, not in uniform carrying a concealed weapon.

    This individual can be in the faculty lounge with an array of CCTV monitors for all the class rooms.

    This is more likely to succeed than any gun control measures, which would adversely impact the rest of society, depriving citizens of their own security.

    • GaryTheBrave

      Your solution sounds fine except that there has to be someone watching every monitor every second including after-hours. Do you remember the incident a few years ago a female jail guard was escorting a convict in the halls and he got her gun and killed her. It was caught on camera but no one was watching.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ed-Scott/100002103340101 Ed Scott

        What was a female jail guard (or male jail guard) doing with a gun inside a jail. No jail I know of allows anyone to carry a gun inside a jail to prevent exactly what you said happened. Carrying a gun inside of a jail is just a incident waiting to happen.

      • Conservativesniper

        wouldn’t have mattered anyway. They were too far away to save her.

      • Conservativesniper

        wouldn’t have mattered anyway. They were too far away to save her.

    • Hiraghm

      Better idea; have every teacher and administrator go through concealed carry training, and be armed.

      We are told that driving is a “privilege” (nonsense), and we have driver’s ed classes in most every high school. Keeping and bearing arms is a Constitutionally protected right, and yet we don’t have mandatory gun training classes in high school. If everyone knew how to handle and be safe with guns, that many more people would be armed, and the bad guys would be heavily outnumbered.

      • Harlan Hikaru Fox

        The sad truth is that ultimately that’s going to end in armed lefty teachers firing on anybody who interrupts their next labor strike. Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.

        • Blake Waymire

          I don’t think many teachers would even do it. The American left is terrified of firearms. I’d prefer to have private security at a school, walking around with semi-autos, preferably derivatives of military rifles. That way anyone with any sense would be too afraid to go shoot up the school and the truly dangerous would have a huge disadvantage.

          • bluewaternavy

            Still, we have to try. That’s the idea of firearms training, to take away fear and instill respect and safety.

          • fmahoney

            You are cutting funding for education health but have money to buy more guns for schools??? Maybe backwater security can be i all our schools? Not the solution!!!

          • bitshuffler

            So where are we cutting education funding?

          • Brad Lobdell

            Sure can tell you are a kool-aid guzzler. I always hear from stupid libs/progs that somebody is cutting funding for education and it is the opposite. Education funding never goes down. Never

          • Michael J. Churlin

            We spend more per student every year the only thing ever cut is the rate of increase in spending. Pay attention, the salries increase every year, the benifits increase every year. You do know that now with same sex marriage the benifits that these partners have will be extended further, it has nothing to do with the children and everything to do with the school employees.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ed-Scott/100002103340101 Ed Scott

            Notahoney, you are immature and silly. After you ban all guns, you might as well start on knives, baseball bats, axe handles, lacrosse raquets, forks and cars. Do you see where you are going with this?

          • fmahoney

            Your the adult in the room??? doing the name calling??? and you call me immature. Reading comprehension is important. The next problem in our society American are becoming a dumb uneducated society. Reading is fundamental, maybe you should get hooked on phonics

            Better idea reduce the number of guns in our society and make certain those who have guns are properly trained and lock them away properly or be held responsible for the use of them illegally.

          • http://twitter.com/GerryMaine Gerard

            Per FBI and CDC statistics baseball bats cause more deaths in the US than ALL types of guns. I’ll wager that a amjority of those gun deaths are the result of ILLEGALLY owned weapons!

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ed-Scott/100002103340101 Ed Scott

            Notahuney, banning guns is not a solution. Then the Criminal types would not have to worry about legal guns at all. When you get raped, and no one can stop it, don’t cry about it.

      • fmahoney

        Better idea reduce the number of guns in our society and make certain those who have guns are properly trained and lock them away properly or be held responsible for the use of them illegally.

        • bitshuffler

          Honey, once again, your views are coming through without honesty. Listen to your brain for a while – you’re heart is stupid.

        • http://www.facebook.com/steven.jett2 Steven Jett

          Ate you high? There are tons of laws on irresponsible use, access and every other aspect of gun ownership.
          The plain, simple, unalterable truth is that there are evil sick people and when they choose to kill and harm, NO laws will stand in their way.
          There simply is no fix-all solution.
          Yes, there are things we can do. Mandatory minimum sentencing. reduce the violent culture we have created where gangsters and evil people are romanticized and idolized (how many people think :”say hello to my little friend” was sooooo cool?) lock-down schools and such so that from first bell to final bell, visitors must be buzzed in and escorted from front door to where they are headed, and so many more ways.
          The knee-jerk reaction is to blame the guns. They are just tools. Would it have been better had the killer used a machete, fire bombs or some other means?

        • Todd Amend

          And just how do you plan on getting the guns from the criminals. Because if your dumb enough to think they’re just going to hand over because you say so. What a joke. By taking guns from the good people,all you do is open the door for the bad.Wise up if you outlaw guns only outlaws will have guns. Oh and your commie president.

        • http://www.facebook.com/lisa.dean.564 Lisa Dean

          Here’s something for you to think about. The violence that’s happened lately has been in states with some of the strictest gun laws in the US. People who own guns “legally” are properly trained because we take gun ownership seriously. Tell me exactly how you plan to reduce the number of guns who are in the hands of criminals? What about those criminals who have stolen them from someone who owns them legally and did have them properly stored.

        • mike_in_kosovo

          Let’s look at that – we’ll use the beloved gun-free bastions of the Left; Washington DC and Chicago, compared to the country as a whole.

          Stats are from the 2011 FBI UCR report.

          DC:
          Violent crime rate: 1130.26 per 100k
          Murder rate:17.47 per 100k

          Chicago:
          Violent crime rate: 1007.76 per 100k
          Murder rate: 19.94 per 100k.

          US National stats:
          Violent crime rate: 386.3 per 100k
          Murder rate: 4.7 per 100k.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ed-Scott/100002103340101 Ed Scott

          If someone breaks into my home, how am I going to defend myself, and my family if my guns are locked up? If my guns are not used illegally, then how am I going to be held responsibile for someone using them illegally?

          If you are referring to the teacher in Connecticut whose son used her gun to kill her, I would think she has paid the ultimate price already, and no stupid law you can dream up can any longer harm her.

          Your thinking is childish and simplistic at best.

          Let me know your address and I will direct criminals to your home, and tell them you don’t have a gun.

          Cars kill people every day. Are you prepared to give yours up?

        • WisconsinPatriot

          Why, as long as we are living in a dream world, I call for psycopath control! If we just reduced the number of psycopaths in society, make certain people who give birth to psycopaths are properly trained or be held responsible for their unlawful acts. Everything is PEACHY right?
          http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/12/liberal-policies-are-to-blame-for-todays-mass-shooting-in-newtown-ct/

        • Conservativesniper

          Yeah, Adam Lanza murdered his mother and stole her guns. And she had them legally registered in one of the toughest states in which to own a firearm. And how are you going to hold Adam Lanza or his murdered mother accountable? THINK, if you’re capable of rational thought, the think some more before you post such ignorant drivel.

          Remember the immortal words of Mark Twain,” It is better to be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.”

          • fmahoney

            WELL MAYBE SOMETHING SHOULD BE DONE ABOUT HIGH POWERED ASSULT RIFLES THAT BELONG IN A WAR ZONE!

            YOU HAVE A CULTURE OF VIOLENCE AND WHILE GANG MEMBERS SIGN UP FOR STREET WARS. THESE CHILDREN DO NOT DESERVE THIS.

            WE WILL DO SOMETHING ABOUT GUN VIOLENCE AND PUT LAW IN PLACE TO PROTECT INNOCENT CHILDREN AND ADULTS!!!

            SAY WHAT YOU WANT AND CALL PEOPLE NAMES BUT THESE KIDS WILL NOT DIE IN VAIN BECAUSE OF PEOPLE LIKE YOU

            HELP ME UNDERSTAND WHY A HOME OWNER NEEDS A 100 ROUND CAPACITY MAG?

            HELP ME UNDERSTAND WHY IN SOME STATES THEY DO NOT CHECK TO SEE IF THE PURCHASER HAS A MENTAL ILLNESS?

            HELP ME UNDERSTAND WHY ANY IDIOT CAN BUT AN UNLIMITED AMOUNT OF GUNS AND AMMUNITION?

            THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH OUR 2ND AMENDMENT???

          • http://www.facebook.com/lisa.dean.564 Lisa Dean

            You have no clue what you’re talking about @disqus_28uK5dp3Aw:disqus The term assault weapon/rifle was created by politicians and the media in order to progress the “gun control” issue. Based on what you’re saying, and by the way turn the cap lock off, you’re bringing up issues that have been speculated in the media about what happened in CT. Tragedy happens everywhere and there isn’t a “rhyme or reason” as to why they happen. I’m 44 years old and it’s happened all of my life. There are laws in place regarding guns but you’re not going to keep everyone safe from gun violence because criminals have guns as well.

          • Conservativesniper

            You are attempting to change the subject, why?
            What do gang members have to do with the slaughter of the innocent in Newtown?
            Aren’t there already laws on the books against theft and murder? Yep.

            I haven’t called you a name.

            What does magazine capacity have to do with what happened in Newtown?
            What states do not check to see if the purchaser has a mental illness? And Adam Lanza didn’t buy any guns. His mother bought them, he stole them from his mother, who was not mentally ill and had purchased the guns legally.
            Well, the state in which I live, not CT, does not limit the amount of ammo one can purchase. .Nor the number of guns.
            That is correct, This issue, according to the SCOTUS, has nothing to do with the 2nd Amendment.

          • fmahoney

            Gang members join gangs knowing what the end results would be, I do not have too much sympathy except for the innocent that get caught in the cross fire. I was drawing a contrast!

            Oh capacity of a magazine does not matter at all 30 bullets 50, 100 does not matter. Unless your trying to wipe out a theater full of movie goes!

            Even if he did note steal them, finding guns in America is not a very hard thing to do.

            Don’t worry too much about the SCOTUS issue we will change some of them soon enough…

            Wake up and face some simple facts. 9m, 38, 357 has more then enough stoping power. If you have a semi auto with 16 rounds and one in the chamber plus an extra mag what more do you really need???

            I love guns, in my lifetime I have owned over 10 of them some real real fun one. At the end of the day the one I carried around in my locked grove compartment was a 38 Special. Reliable, good stopping power.

            If well trained presidential security could not protect a president, what the hell makes you think that if someone wants you dead bad enough it’s not going to happen???

            I am not trying to force anyone to give up guns I am trying to have a conversation about the best way to make certain this does not happen again. A man in china pulled the same stunt with 22 children none of them died. If he had a bushmaster, what do you think would happen???

          • Conservativesniper

            “I am trying to have a conversation about the best way to make certain this does not happen again.” The best way imho, is to lock up mentally ill people, not try to integrate them into society to preserve their ‘self esteem’. The blood of these children is partially on the hands of the gun control crowd who seem to think that criminals follow laws. IDIOTS!

            The issue with the SCOTUS is that they ruled that the police are not obligated to protect the public at large. They said that the citzenry is responsible for their own protection. The cops are there to clean up afterwards and build a case so the perpetrator can be punished accordingly. This shown by the inaction by police at the Aurora movie theater shooting who waited outside until the shooting stopped. Courageous, The only way the SCOTUS can change their ruling is if another case similar to the original comes before them. They do not have the authority to rewrite laws whenever it suits them.

          • fmahoney

            Tell me what do you say to the situation in china were another mad man got loose but because he did not have access to gun only a knife all the kids in that country are alive.

            Oh year maybe we should go to our top universities and grab some of the nations top students like the one who killed all those people in the movie theater.

            People snap, people get pissed and some people just have it in their heads like your NRA member timothy McVeigh? 168 innocent persons dead.

            Maybe you should learn from history and a man called Hitler. When he started building up arms after WWI we all looked the other way. When he invaded Poland we all looked the other way. Our refusal to act opened the appetite of a mad man that ended up killing hundreds of thousands of men women and children.

            Please note at the time like now Germany was the most educated society in europe. Their technology in weaponry such as tanks, U Boats, that beautiful boat called the Bismarck made it easy.

            Maybe just maybe my friend we should have disarmed the country before it got out of hand.

            today deaths per year less then 200 compared to about 10,000 in the us

            In germany private possession of semi-automatic assault weapons is permitted only with special authorization.

            The president said doing nothing is not an option and I agree

            I use to belong to the NRA they were serious at one time about gun safety and regulation but that has changed.

            More guns on the streets will create war zones and in war their are no winners just survivors.

          • Gary

            22 children were stabbed in China. The State media refused to release any information about the children’s injuries. Just because deaths weren’t reported doesn’t mean they didn’t happen. The Chinese government doesn’t want the US citizens to know if anyone died because they want our government to take our guns.

          • Conservativesniper

            Maybe you should follow your own advice and learn from history. One of the first things Hitler did was get the good, law abiding German people to register their guns. Then a few years later the guns were collected from the citizens. Once the German people were disarmed, Hitler kicked into high gear. watch this, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7vNj2sb_00 Armenians, Ukrainians, Chinese, Germans, Cambodians, Ugandans, Tutsi, Mayans, Tibetans, Pakistanis, Sudanese, Zimbabwe, American Indians, airline passengers on 9/11 are all people who gave up their rights to self defense and tens of millions of people were murdered. Self defense is a natural right. And I don’t believe for one second you were ever a member of the NRA. As I said earlier, read The Armed Citizen in The American RIfleman. And why do you think the NRA is no longer interested in gun safety?
            http://www.americanrifleman.org/BlogList.aspx?cid=25&id=21 here’s a link so you can continue your education.

          • http://twitter.com/GerryMaine Gerard

            If you are going to try and use statistics to bolster your arguments you should compare ‘apples to apples’. Take your gun deaths statistics and strip out the deaths caused by illegally owned or stolen guns out of the count. To make your argument credible you can only use gun crime deaths caused by LEGALLY owned guns. That would negate your argument because 90% + of gun crime deaths are committed with Illegally obtained weapons. Making them twice as illegal isn’t going to stop the criminals, they don’t care about your silly laws. BTW the first thing Hitler did was confiscate all the non-military guns, then he began gathering up all the Jews. Unarmed citizens are sheep waiting to be slaughtered.

          • http://twitter.com/GerryMaine Gerard

            There is no such thing as an ‘assault weapon’. The only difference between a .223 caliber “assault weapon” and a .223 caliber hunting rifle is that the “assault weapon” LOOKS scarier to a lefty loon. To someone who knows a bit about guns they’re just different styles of the same type of weapon. Both shoot the same bullets, both are sem1-automatic (one trigger pull, one shot). The ‘assault weapon’ would have composite material stocks and body, the hunting rifle would more likely have a well crafted finely finished wood stock. Both shoot just the same.

        • Conservativesniper

          Yeah, Adam Lanza murdered his mother and stole her guns. And she had them legally registered in one of the toughest states in which to own a firearm. And how are you going to hold Adam Lanza or his murdered mother accountable? THINK, if you’re capable of rational thought, the think some more before you post such ignorant drivel.

          Remember the immortal words of Mark Twain,” It is better to be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.”

      • Conservativesniper

        HAH!! A bunch of bleeding heart left wingers learning to defend themselves? They are too damn lazy.

      • fmahoney

        Better idea keep illegal gun off the street, keep guns properly locked away from people who are mentally ill or show signs of over aggressive behavior

        • http://twitter.com/GerryMaine Gerard

          There are already laws doing that! How’s that working out so far?? Do you really want to reduce gun crimes? then you need to make sure that those who are committng those gun crimes never see the light of day again. Liberal lawyers and judges who are so concerned about the criminal’s rights seem to overlook the right of the citizens to live in a ‘criminal free zone’. the rule should be : use a gun during the commission of a crime= automatic life imprisonment-NO APPEAL. Use a gun to commit murder= automatic death penalty – NO APPEAL.

        • Conservativesniper

          What do you consider an illegal gun?

    • TocksNedlog

      FEDERAL Marshals in the schools?
      Don’t think so.

      • 5n4k33y35

        No. That was for the planes. I said armed security guards.

        • http://www.facebook.com/lisa.dean.564 Lisa Dean

          How about armed and trained Moms? I know I would volunteer to do this at my sons school and I’m already armed and well trained in gun usage.

      • Larry_McN

        Not Fedral marshals… just the concept of non-uniformed armed ‘guards’ – whether actual guard or just trained and armed teachers and staff – willing to take on the duty to intervene in the case of an armed attack on the school/students! They do not need to be – and probably should not be – Federal agents!!!

    • fmahoney

      Stop lying!!! time for a real conversation about the amount of guns and sick people in our society. CCTV would not have stopped this mad man who was very very young. What do you say about a young man who killed his mother? Stop with the games and let’s all work together to make certain families don’t have to burry their children

      • 5n4k33y35

        Quiet, you crazy progressive.

      • http://www.facebook.com/steven.jett2 Steven Jett

        I do hope you have as much pathos for the more than one million children that sre killed each year in this country because of legalized abortion.

      • Catchance

        Why don’t you tell us how you would do it? The plain facts are that the majority of mass killings like this one were in GUN FREE ZONES! That means that it was against the law to have a gun there. So what good did that do? Are you suggesting that we have all our guns confiscated? Look at England. They completely banned guns and their violent crime rate has gone up 49% since then. On the other hand, the few times a shooter tried to kill people in a place where guns were allowed, the shooter was killed by an armed insider before he could kill more than one or two people. Yes, even those were two too many, but better than 26. Until there is a way to legislate morality, we’re going to have violent killings, so better to keep the numbers minimal. If you’d really like to ‘work together’ so that families don’t have to bury their children, let’s talk about the 55+ million babies that have been killed in the U.S. since Roe V. Wade.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ed-Scott/100002103340101 Ed Scott

          Go Cathy.

          nutahuney will not discuss abortion. She feels that is her right to kill her unborn child. She doesn’t want to be bothered with a child.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ed-Scott/100002103340101 Ed Scott

        nutahuney, he was watching T.V? Your rants are making even less sense. Have you been in the cooking sherry, again?

        1: You want to ban guns.
        2: I suppose that you will also decide who is sick in out society.

        Do you really think a discussion about sick people in society would have prevented this young man from going on a killing spree? I don’t

        Remember the last one was done with a bow and arrow and knife. Do you want to ban those items also? Or is it only guns that you are afraid of, and attempt to cover up your fears by demanding that guns be banned so you don’t have to face or admit your fears?

    • Michael J. Churlin

      Better idea do away with giant government complexs housing hundreds and thousand of children in a cattle call educational system.Go back to community based schooling were parents are the ones who hire teachers and supervise them in small settings where the children can be properly supervised and truly taught how to read, and write, and perform basic arithmatic, and given a basic understanding of the scientific method, learn civics and history. Bigger is not better it is the problem.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ed-Scott/100002103340101 Ed Scott

        You would have to get rid of the Teachers unions to ever see that happen again.

        • Conservativesniper

          Not a problem. Just outlaw public service unions or make every state right to work.

          FDR said it best about public service unions,” All Government employees should realize that the process of collective bargaining, as usually understood, cannot be transplanted into the public service. It has its distinct and insurmountable limitations when applied to public personnel management. The very nature and purposes of Government make it impossible for
          administrative officials to represent fully or to bind the employer in
          mutual discussions with Government employee organizations. The employer is the whole people, who speak by means of laws enacted by their representatives in Congress. Accordingly, administrative officials and employees alike are governed and guided, and in many instances restricted, by laws which establish policies, procedures, or rules in personnel matters.

          Particularly, I want to emphasize my convictionthat militant tactics have no place in the functions of any organization of Government employees. Upon employees in the Federal service rests the obligation to serve the whole people, whose interests and welfare require orderliness and continuity in the conduct of Government activities. This obligation is paramount. Since their own services have to do with the functioning of the Government, a strike of public employees manifests nothing less than an intent on their part to prevent or obstruct the operations of Government until their demands are satisfied. Such action, looking toward the paralysis of Government by those who have sworn to support it, is unthinkable and intolerable. It is, therefore, with a feeling of gratification that I have noted in the constitution of the National Federation of Federal Employees the provision that “under no circumstances shall this Federation engage in or support strikes against the United States Government.”

        • Conservativesniper

          Not a problem. Just outlaw public service unions or make every state right to work.

          FDR said it best about public service unions,” All Government employees should realize that the process of collective bargaining, as usually understood, cannot be transplanted into the public service. It has its distinct and insurmountable limitations when applied to public personnel management. The very nature and purposes of Government make it impossible for
          administrative officials to represent fully or to bind the employer in
          mutual discussions with Government employee organizations. The employer is the whole people, who speak by means of laws enacted by their representatives in Congress. Accordingly, administrative officials and employees alike are governed and guided, and in many instances restricted, by laws which establish policies, procedures, or rules in personnel matters.

          Particularly, I want to emphasize my convictionthat militant tactics have no place in the functions of any organization of Government employees. Upon employees in the Federal service rests the obligation to serve the whole people, whose interests and welfare require orderliness and continuity in the conduct of Government activities. This obligation is paramount. Since their own services have to do with the functioning of the Government, a strike of public employees manifests nothing less than an intent on their part to prevent or obstruct the operations of Government until their demands are satisfied. Such action, looking toward the paralysis of Government by those who have sworn to support it, is unthinkable and intolerable. It is, therefore, with a feeling of gratification that I have noted in the constitution of the National Federation of Federal Employees the provision that “under no circumstances shall this Federation engage in or support strikes against the United States Government.”

  • Bob Almighty

    I don’t like the Left. None of their solutions work.

    • fmahoney

      The solutions of more guns in our society is working out real good. Too many guns in our society and it has nothing to do with home security

      • bitshuffler

        Read up, Honey – you’d be surprised what you’d find if you’d allow intellectual honesty. And home security is only one aspect (albeit an important one) – read the 2nd amendment and the reasons behind it.

      • Conservativesniper

        Wow!! You are remarkably gullible fmahoney. Tell ya what, google the Armed Citizen and read the HUNDREDS of incidences EVERY YEAR where guns have prevented rapes, murders, robberies, etc. Do you honestly believe criminals are going to give up their guns? If you are really that naive, read about what happened to the violent crime rate in Australia after the LAW ABIDING citizens turned in their weapons.

        • fmahoney

          Why can we not have an intelligent conversation about this??? I DO NOT HAVE A PROBLEMS WITH GUNS!!! NO MORE THEN I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH A BIG STICK!!! GUNS IN THE HANDS OF THE WRONG PEOPLE ARE KILLING INNOCENT PEOPLE AND OUR CHILDREN!!! ILLEGAL GUNS ARE DESTROYING OUR COMMUNITIES. ANOTHER 50 SHOTS AT THE MALL YESTERDAY. STOP THE MADNESS AND LET’S DISCUSS SOLUTIONS. YOU CAN’T DRINK AND DRIVE BUT YOU CAN DRINK UNTIL YOUR DRUNK AS HELL AND WALK AROUND WITH A LOADED WEAPON AND MENTAL ISSUES. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH GUN VIOLENCE IS HURTING ALL OF US AND THE MOST INNOCENT AMONGST US THE CHILDREN!!!

          • Conservativesniper

            What ‘illegal’ guns are hurting society?

          • Gary

            The ones from Fast and Furious.

          • http://twitter.com/GerryMaine Gerard

            I’ll give up mine when the police and the Secret Service give up theirs!

    • Jack Deth

      Hi, Bob:

      The reason NONE of the left’s solutions work is that they are hammered out and decided upon in a committee.

      And one must ALWAYS remember that:

      “A camel is a horse deigned by a committee”.

  • EOD

    Gun Violence is already against the law.

    Every place in the Nation to outlaw guns has seen gun crime dramatically increase, that is a fact.
    History has shown that for there to be less Gun Crime there needs to be more Guns in the hands of Law Abiding Citizens.

  • Jack Deth

    Excise me, but what laws did the shooter’s mother violate when she purchased said weapons?

    If the answer is “None”.

    Then the Times and every anti-gun liberal rag, headline grabbing politicians and irrelevant has been celebrities needs to Shut the Fuck Up!!!

    Of course, those same politicians and has beens will scream that the shooter’s mother is at fault for not securing her weapons.

    Where in the city of Newton or state of Connecticut is it required for gun owners to secure their firearms?

    I know of no such laws. So, again. Shut the Fuck Up!

    Instead, offer a few moments of silence and prayerful thought to the families of those
    killed by a heartless sociopath with a hard on for society.

    • Todd Fulcher

      Assuming she did purchase them legally, if she knew she had a son who
      was so “off” that she had to stay home to take care of him, then she had
      a responsibility to keep those guns away from him.

      • Guest

        Let the facts be gathered first. We do not know he killed his mother with one of her weapons or killed her with another in order to get access to hers. My dad had over 300 weapons in our home as my siblings and I grew up. We never considered using these tools outside of their intentions of protecting the family, hunting or target practice. However we were not on SSRIs (Selective Serotonin Re-uptake Inhibitors) and were taught at very young ages how to respect weapons.

        • bluewaternavy

          Same here. My Dad taught us a VERY hearty respect for firearms. He taught all of us how to shoot and be responsible.

        • fmahoney

          I respect that and love guns also the issue is gun violence! Anyone with mental issues should not have or be around guns!

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ed-Scott/100002103340101 Ed Scott

            Nutahuney, and again who decides this? You?

          • Conservativesniper

            YOU respect and LOVE GUNS? Sorry, but I’m calling bullsh*t on that. You seem to be an emotion driven, gullible nitwit who ignores facts.

          • Conservativesniper

            YOU respect and LOVE GUNS? Sorry, but I’m calling bullsh*t on that. You seem to be an emotion driven, gullible nitwit who ignores facts.

      • Jack Deth

        You are already taking a half step back in your argument by “assuming”.

        Plus another quarter step back by wanting to prosecute the shooter’s dead mother.

        Are you sure that you wish to continue this discussion?

      • http://www.facebook.com/lisa.dean.564 Lisa Dean

        She did purchase them legally that’s already been confirmed. How do you know she didn’t have them secured? You and @disqus_28uK5dp3Aw:disqus are making a lot of assumptions about this woman, who’s dead btw, and I’m sure you both know what assuming does, right?

    • bluewaternavy

      Actually you are wrong. With every firearm purchase you are required as owner/purchaser to keep the weaopons safely stored (some area require trigger locks). THAT is in the application when you purchase a weapon-to keep it from unauthorized users.

      • Jack Deth

        Your argument is irrelevant since the shooter found access to the guns.

        Lock boxes, gun safes and trigger guards (If any were used by the shooter’s mother) require keys. Keys and locks keep honest people honest. If the mother had her firearms stored or guarded. It’s obvious that her son, the shooter found the key(s).

      • mike_in_kosovo

        Really? How about you show me the storage requirement mandate? I’ve provided a link to the form for your convenience.

        http://www.atf.gov/forms/download/atf-f-4473-1.pdf

        • http://www.facebook.com/lisa.dean.564 Lisa Dean

          Fabulous point! I’m looking for that “provision” as well. I don’t recall having to provide that information and neither does my husband.

        • Conservativesniper

          I wouldn’t count on a response from this b*llsh*t artist.

    • fmahoney

      You prove your own point, you shut up! the silence is the problem in this country. Seem like this proves the case for securing high powered rifles in your home. If they were not secured or locked up what is to stop a robber from breaking in and stealing these guns??? What is to stop these guns from getting into the hands of her idiot son? or a friend of her idiot son?

      We need solutions and it’s not more guns!!!

      • Jack Deth

        There will always be guns.
        There will always be ammunition for guns.
        There will always be people finding access to guns.

        What you are looking for is a feel good scapegoat to help infringe on others’ Constitutional right to protect themselves.

      • Jeff Coil

        The killer LIVED IN THE HOUSE WITH HIS MOTHER. Securing the guns would have done NOTHING since he would have had access to the keys.

      • Todd Amend

        No you shut up all your rants show how ignorant and dumb you really are. Right now you know nothing about this family except what the baised news media is reporting. Because as a former law enforcemen officer I can tell you the police are not releasing any of that info to the public at this time. And as far as your ideas on control, about the dumbest I’ve heard in awhile.

      • http://www.facebook.com/lisa.dean.564 Lisa Dean

        How do you know the mother didn’t have her guns secured? People who choose to steal items from someone isn’t going to let something being “secured” stop them from stealing. Homes that are broken into are locked aka “secured” and yet a thief still breaks into the home.

        • Richard Willey

          The school was secured..

          • Conservativesniper

            Sure was, and we see how effective that was. Keep digging that hole fmahoney. you are almost to China.

          • Conservativesniper

            Sure was, and we see how effective that was. Keep digging that hole fmahoney. you are almost to China.

      • Conservativesniper

        He used a high powered rifle? ” If they were not secured or locked up what is to stop a robber from breaking in and stealing these guns???” Won’t the law stop a criminal from robbing the house and stealing the firearms? And do you really think locking up these guns would stop a burglar from breaking into a home?

      • Conservativesniper

        Her son wasn’t an idiot. He was reportedly highly intelligent. ” what is to stop a robber from breaking in and stealing these guns???” Me and my firearms will stop them. I am retired and spend most of my time at home. If I don’t know you, the door stays locked. Like the teacher at the elementary school who locked her students in the bathroom and wouldn’t let the cops in. She told them if they were cops they could get the key to the door. They did that. All of her students were safe and sound.

  • HARP2

    ** Obama: “They Bring a Knife…We Bring a Gun”

    ** Obama to His Followers: “Get in Their Faces!”

    ** Obama on ACORN Mobs: “I don’t want to quell anger. I think people are right to be angry! I’m angry!”

    ** Obama to His Mercenary Army: “Hit Back Twice As Hard”

    ** Obama on the private sector: “We talk to these folks… so I know whose ass to kick.“

    ** Obama to voters: Republican victory would mean “hand to hand combat”

    ** Obama to lib supporters: “It’s time to Fight for it.”

    ** Obama to Latino supporters: “Punish your enemies.”

    ** Obama to democrats: “I’m itching for a fight.”

    Hmmmm

    • fmahoney

      Stop the madness Obama’s policy did not play a part in this killing. Too many gun easily accessible is the reason these young people and teachers are dead!!! Keep playing politics while our children die for no good reason.

      • Shawn Smith

        With the guns already out there, practically to make a difference, gun control laws would have to be gun *confiscation* laws. If that’s what you really want, we can talk about it, but let’s be honest what we’re talking about.

        And I doubt it’s part of this event, but Obama absolutely has violent and angry rhetoric, especially for someone who claims to be a “uniter.”

        • Shawn Smith

          Oops, I forgot, “angry” is a secret racist word. I should probably strike that.

      • bitshuffler

        In the causes of death for children, guns don’t even make the list. There are multitudes of reasons kids die – and I’d wager if you do the statistics, you’ll find the presence of guns has saved more lives than taken them. And before you reply, there’s a number of studies done by liberals trying to prove that guns cause more deaths and they ended up proving the opposite.
        I have to ask, are you pro-life or pro-murder? – talk about killing children for no reason.

      • $129448

        Those kids are dead because a 20 year deranged psychopath killed them. His family knew he was nuts. He should have been institutionalized, Oo no wait there are too many laws protecting insane people from being put away & getting help. You can blame the government & the family not the guns.

      • http://www.facebook.com/Louis.H.Anderson Louis H. Anderson

        So… This puke shot his own mother in the face, w/ a weapon she legally owned in the 5th MOST restrictive state in the nation, then stole at least one other, forced his way into the school & murdered these children. But when HARP2 simply quotes bhk 21 hrs after the tragedy it is “playing politics”?
        PLEASE, tell me how you classify bhk, bloomberg, et al, waiting <3 hrs before openly advocating for more laws & a political answer.
        After all, those "This Is A Gun Free Zone" signs are always big/strong enough to hide behind on those infrequent occasions when an armed criminal accidentally forgets to follow the rules.

      • Michael J. Churlin

        The decay of Providence, and morality, coupled with the embrace of perversion and evil have everything to do with tragedies like this. The amoral policies of Obama further erode public decency. You do realize the mothers of these children could have killed them in utero and it would have been called a choice and been perfectly legal. We have devaued life.

      • WisconsinPatriot

        If you are hell bent on believing that, there is nothing I can say in this forum which will change your mind. But keep this in mind,schools are already “gun free zones”. You will NEVER keep a killer from killing.Please do not pretend you know anything about defending yourself in the face of mortal danger. You insult ALL who died in this massacre with your infantile and purely emotional rant,your pronouncements of “guilt” are ridiculous and need to be ignored by rational thinking citizens. An armed man is a citizen, an unarmed man is merely a subject.

      • Conservativesniper

        Easily accessible? don’t forget that insignificant piece of sh*t killed his mother and stole her guns. Do we have laws which outlaw theft and murder? Yep. Maybe we need more laws outlawing murder and theft, whaddya think, lefties?
        And before guns were villified, kids were raised knowing how to use and to respect the power of a gun. Now, they only see guns on a video game or the idiot box(TV).

    • http://twitter.com/lenn100 leonard matchett

      OK unions. i gave the order to draw blood. What a president sicko

  • JD SPS

    Let no crisis go to waste..

    • TocksNedlog

      They are very efficient that way, brother.
      — Icy

  • DinaRehnAgain

  • http://twitter.com/HBradley55 Harold Bradley

    Why can’t the Left get it? People can take just about anything and kill people, that’s the problem. Having no guns in the US will mean more killing because only outlaws will have guns. Like the old saying goes “Guns don’t kill people;people kill people”.

    People could take gasoline and kill 20 or more people “are we going to ban gasoline”?

    People could take a car and kill 20 or more people “are we going to ban cars”?

    Society has changed in the last 30 years to where parents are working long hours and not teaching their kids or not being with their kids so the kids see all this violence on TV and in games and think it ok. Just think about that for a moment; it’s ok to have a TV show showing some one getting killed which is an unnatural act, but it’s not ok for a TV to show people naked which natural. I know everyone is going to go nuts on that, but when I was in Germany they show naked people in TV commercials and had a lot of nude beaches that anyone could go to. I’m not saying we should all run around naked, I’m just saying it’s natural unlike killing.

  • bluewaternavy

    I think our society needs to ask itself some questions this morning. When most of us were growing up, our parets often had a firearm in the home. We as children were taught respect for those firearms.

    We were also taught respect for them as well of the concept (fact!) of right and wrong. Certain things were never to be done and you treated others as you wished to be treated yourself.

    What …
    the hell has happened? Nowaadays, we have gratutitous violence in movies, on video games (As retired navy, I can’t see why we have combat simulation games for KIDS! War isn’t a goddamned game!). We have “music” that treats women as “whores” and worse. Violence in movies has become so grotesque and graphic I’ve been forced to walk out of some.

    Criminals and nutcases have little regard for ANY law written to stop violence. By their nature, criminals scoff at law and decency. The insane and disturbed seemingly do not know the difference between right and wrong. We have the insane roaming the streets, unmedicated simply because a judge says we can’t force them to take them. Many of these judges also give a velvet touch to repeat violent offenders-who proceed to do more violence.

    WHY?

    I used to hunt (with a borrowed rifle) until my physical condition made it impossible to do so. Using a weapon requires responsibility and training as well as a very healthy respect for it’s power. Weapons are not toys and are not to be treated as such.

    What has happened in this society is a unhealthy loss of respect. Loss of respect for human life, for any form of morality or sense of right and wrong-AND personal responsibility Perhaps we need to address THAT problem. I daresay that should we do so, better things will follow.

    Consider that!

    • Guest

      Not just movies and games, but prime time television shows are filled with graphic violent scenes and graphic autopsies even. The CSI shows are especially grotesque. I like Gary Sinese, but his show CSI NY should not be watched when children under 14 are in the home.

    • Catchance

      What has happened is the repudiation of God in our society. This is what a Godless society looks like.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ed-Scott/100002103340101 Ed Scott

      God is no longer allowed in Schools. Christ is no longer allowed in Christmas. Today we have Holiday season, not Christmas. Next Holidays will be named something else because the name derives from Holy days and that will offend someone. Morality is no longer taught in the home, nor in Schools. In Schools they learn about Social Justice and how bad the White man is.

    • Dwayne Jackson

      Well said Patrick. The left want gun control but want their immorality and common indecency left alone.

  • fmahoney

    Enough! Enough! Enough of this stupid argument of more Gun! This is madness! We have a society that glorifies violence on an extreme level. In movies, video games and policy. Oh maybe if all the teachers had concealed weapons they could have killed the shooter. Maybe if troopers with M16 fully automatic weapons were in place this could have been prevented. GUNS ARE THE PROBLEM IN GUN VIOLENCE! Nobody is against guns for security, hunting and law enforcement. Your right to have arms does not supersede the right to the life of innocent children & victims.

    All these guns were legal but never secured properly in the home.

    This is gun violence, without these Guns young innocent children will be alive. Right to Life?

    The assault rifle belongs in combat, spinoff of M16 standard issue military assault rifle.

    Right to Life!!! So Guns can kill!!!

    STOP THE MADNESS THIS IS NOT REPUBLICAN OR DEMOCRATS. THIS IS NOT ABOUT BLACKS OR WHITES.

    Not about hunters, not about law enforcement, not about protection of your property! It’s about innocent people dying, now it’s kindergarden children between the ages of 5 to 10 years old they were not black kid or white kids; republicans or democrats;

    They were children innocent children

    • Jeff Coil

      This guy wanted to kill children. To blame guns is to oversimplify the issue. If this guy did not have access to guns these children would still be dead. He had a car, didn’t he? He could have killed as many or even more children by running them down on the playground. It sickens me that people like you use the murder of children to further your political and social positions. There is not a single law in the world that would have prevented this (altho a single armed teacher would have stopped it). You anti-gun nuts also continually ignore how many lives, including the lives of children, are saved every year by the presence (or possible presence) of a gun.

    • Dan

      So honey, “with out guns innocent children may be alive”? How do you explain the madman that walked into a primary school in china, a school with armed security and manged to seriously injure 22 students on Wednesday with a knife? No guns will reduce violence you say? If that is so then why are the Doctors in the United Kingdom asking for a ban on sharp kitchen knives, do to the amount of violence and deaths caused by them. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4581871.stm. I heard an idea the other day I liked. We have all these Law Enforcement Officers on disability or retired, how about adding some more money to those payments and put them in schools, as armed security.

    • Larry_McN

      WRONG —- VIOLENCE is the problem with gun VIOLENCE!!!! Would you be ok if those kids had thier throats slashed with a knife? Of course not!!!
      Likewise… without the actor performing a violent act with those guns, where would be the harm? If there are no guns involved there can still horrific violence. Barring someone using guns to commit a violent act (and barring accidental injuries, of course!), guns by themselves are harmless inanimate objects – to be respected, yes, but not feared!!!
      End the VIOLENCE… Do NOT remove a gun owner’s ability to protect themselves, their family, victims of attacks, and even the freedom of our Country by taking away the most effective tool to do so!!!!

    • Mark L. Warner

      And an unborn baby is even more innocent! Outlaw my guns, and I should be able to outlaw your rights to on-demand abortion. 2 million dead babies a year…get your priorities straight!

    • http://www.facebook.com/lisa.dean.564 Lisa Dean

      The weapons used and found in the school were a 9mm Glock handgun and a 9mm Sig Sauer handgun. Those are not assault rifles. Also, the AR-15 rifle found outside is not an assault rifle either, it is a hunting rifle that has been made to look like an M16 but it is only semi-automatic. An assault rifle must be able to go between burst or automatic fire. The term “assault rifle” has been coined by ignorant media members and politicians who want to spread fear and sensationalism.

    • Conservativesniper

      How do you know these guns weren’t properly secured in the home?

      • fmahoney

        BECAUSE 26 PEOPLE ARE DEAD AND THE MAN WHO KILLED THEM WAS NOT THE OWNER. THIS KID DID NOT SNAP OVERNIGHT IT WAS KNOWN THAT HE HAD MENTAL PROBLEMS.

        WHAT MANY OF YOU ARE DOING IS DISRESPECTING THE DEATHS OF THESE FAMILIES. MANY OF YOU ARE TALKING TRASH AND DEFENDING THE SHOOTER GUN RIGHTS WHICH WILL ENCOURAGE OTHER SHOOTERS LET’S PRAY TO GOD THIS TYPE OF VIOLENCE IS NOT YOUR FAITH OR THAT OF YOUR FAMILY AND FRIENDS

        • http://www.facebook.com/lisa.dean.564 Lisa Dean

          I think you should read and comprehend the posts before you accuse anyone of disrespecting the families.

        • Conservativesniper

          How do you know he didn’t ‘snap’ overnight? Perhaps tension in his relationship with his mother caused him to ‘snap’? You are exceedingly assumptive about something of which you have precious little insight. Do you have some esoteric insight into the psyche of Adam Lanza? If you do, I’m sure the Newtown, CT PD would welcome your help. Mentally ill people are not known for their calm, rational thought. In fact, after reading all your posts about this tragedy I think you are mentally ill.

          You are unhinged and are mentally unfit to own a firearm. Can you help me understand how this incident will encourage others like Adam Lanza? Who is disrespecting anything, besides you? You, it seems, want to deprive people the right of self defense.

          They very well may have been secured in the home. Lil Adam, sick bastard, lived in THE SAME HOME and probably knew where the keys were kept. I have not read ANYWHERE of anybody defending this sick little punk. Help me to understand how anybody is defending the shooter by supplying some quotes, with links,

    • Conservativesniper

      How do you know these guns weren’t properly secured in the home?

    • Conservativesniper

      Yes they were innocent children and the adults at the school were innocent as well. And they were lied to by the government because the government lied to them by saying ‘this is a gun free zone, so you will be safe. We have passed laws which will keep you safe, so don’t worry about your safety. Don’t carry a weapon, we will protect you.” The State of CT failed and 26 innocent people were murdered because they believed the lies put forth by the state. Your god, government, failed.

  • Citizen0000

    I think our problem is lack of respect. We can’t respect our leaders, they don’t respect us. Kids don’t respect their elders. Atheists won’t respect traditions. Progressives won’t respect our founders. We don’t often respect each other. Artists, musicians, gamers and film makers don’t have respect who may see or hear their work and what affects it may cause, especially kids. Turn on the radio or TV and watch and listen to domestic violence and brutality, hear words like N*gga, B*tch, Sh*t and F*ck. Violence permeates our culture, is it any wonder their isn’t a respect for life?

    When I can trust my Gov’t, they can control my guns.

    • Mark L. Warner

      And since we can NEVER trust our Government, they can NEVER control my guns!

    • Dwayne Jackson

      When President Obama orders the Secret Service that protects him to rid themselves of their weapons then and only then will I take him seriously.

  • $129448

    This is a mental health issue not a gun issue. people are so dumb

  • http://www.facebook.com/tommie.duncanjr Tommie Duncan Jr

    So tired of every time some psychopath goes on a rampage, they all want to take away our guns. I got a better idea, instead of banning guns why don’t they just round up all the “liberals” and throw their @sses in jail. It is their anti-religion, anti-morality, and anti-responsibility, philosophy and agenda that is the real culprit responsible for these shootings. Can you really be shocked that in a country that allows thousands of unborn children to be murdered “legally” every single day, that some unbalanced individuals would have no regard for the value of others’ lives? The problem is not the guns, the problem is the continual and constant assault of EVERYTHING decent and moral and good about America from the liberal left. More gun laws will not fix our problems. The answer to America’s problem is to go back to being a God fearing, moralistic country that promotes personal responsibility and knows that the family is the most important and necessary building block of any successful society. Another horrific shooting spree today, 20 innocent children were senselessly slaughtered. There will most assuredly be those who will use this tragedy to promote more stringent gun control laws. Just remember Connecticut already has some of the most stringent gun control laws in the nation. For the last 50 yrs or so our children have been bombarded in our schools, and on the airwaves, and by many of our leaders with the ideals that morality is subjective, that there is no higher power, and that ppl are a victim of their environment and therefore not responsible for their actions. We must get off this immoral path that our country is headed down. There are absolutes. There is good and there is evil, there is absolute right and there is absolute wrong. We must reinstill in our children just how valuable and precious each and every life actually is, an unshakeable and innate understanding of what is right and what is wrong, and a complete and total commitment to personal responsibility and accountability. To do this , we must first make a commitment to family. Then, we must fight the special interest groups that seek to destabilize our society. It’s our choice, a moral, just, and God fearing society where tragedies like today are unthinkable, or an immoral and heathen society where today’s tragedy become increasingly more commonplace

  • Michael J. Churlin

    It is against the law for a minor to have a firearm. It is against the law for mentally disturbed individuals to own firearms. It is against the law to kill your mother. It is against the law to enter a school with a gun. It is against the law to shoot a bunch of children. What new legislation would have changed anything? Confiscation and an outright ban on all firearms? The second amendment concerns an armed people on equal footing with their government to protect against tyranny, it has nothing to do with shooting sport and hunting. The President of the USA has no Constitutional juridiction over state laws, and the educational system of state. The President was completely AWOL on the death of a border patrol agent killed with a firearm provided to a criminal orginazation by his justice department on the border, and the death of a US Ambassodor and three other Americans in an act of war by a political group engaged in terrorism against the USA. We no longer have a president but rather seem to have a super governor. God Save the USA from this evil.

  • Richard Willey

    The lord asks us to forgive …Everyone i know is grieving for these poor people and their families .I cannot listen to a xmas song without crying..My heart aches for these people ..Fear of god should be the deterrant..This guy will burn in hell forever…Taking my guns is a power grab by our govt..Not going to happen..Someone with his attitude has many means of mass murder…My gun is security for me and my family..It has already saved my life and the life of the ones i love ..

  • Dennis the Dreamer

    its not about guns, its america failed in mental health. everyone has problem but no one is helping the media making it worse.

  • Michael Rice

    Proof that more gun control and/or banning guns will not work.