Backlash: Mike Huckabee links gun violence with removal of God from schools

Speaking on Fox News this afternoon, former Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee again linked a rise in gun violence in America to the removal of God from the public schools. “We ask why there is violence in our schools, but we have systematically removed God from our schools,” Huckabee told host Neil Cavuto. “Should we be so surprised that schools would become a place of carnage? Because we’ve made it a place where we don’t want to talk about eternity, life, what responsibility means, accountability.”

Huckabee concluded, “Maybe we ought to let [God] in on the front end and we wouldn’t have to call him to show up when it’s all said and done at the back end.”

While thousands sent prayers to the families in Connecticut, word of Huckabee’s God-centric analysis infuriated many, particularly after his words had been passed on and reinterpreted through an online game of “telephone.”

We’d say Huckabee has a ways to go to even begin to compete with Westboro Baptist Church.

Billy Hallowell, faith editor for The Blaze, delivered a message somewhat similar to Huckabee’s, though without going near the electrified third rail of public schools.

In the meantime, citizens of Newtown on Friday night gathered for prayer services — the “back end,” so to speak.

  • Guest

    ” If I had my way I would plant so many seeds of God everywhere the minions would want to go hide in a closet~ They are very fortunate I am not leader of nation~”

    • lainer51

      and we are unfortunate to have who we have.

  • http://twitter.com/U_S__Patriot US PATRIOT

    Mike is absolutely right… and, WOW! Look at all the examples of godless education, with their pornographic hateful responses.

    • lainer51

      that is how the left responds to everthing – with hate and profanity.. That’s all they got, everytime!

    • TonyMontana3

      So now YOU are politicizing this tragedy?

      • Hello Jerry (D)

        Only to you.

    • qualityrkc

      Where did you learn that god allows kids to be killed bc of secularists. That is not love. That is evil. The god you and huckabee agree exists is a monster who kills kids to make a point???horrible. Where did you go to church? Remind me to steer clear of that church…

    • EEKman

      I don’t know whats more depressing, what you said or that 59 people upvoted you. God and education don’t mix. The snake wanted us to be stupid and obedient remember.

  • Ranadicus

    Huckabee using the tragedy to push his religious beliefs is just as bad as libs using it to push their gun control agenda.

    • b_truit

      Problem with this “fairness” issue is that in the reality..there is good and evil. And good must always be pushed to the front if it is going to survive.

      • Ranadicus

        It isn’t about some idiotic idea of “fairness” it’s about the decency not to take advantage of a tragedy. No matter the reason. The gun control libs think they’re the good guys too. So did the Nazis.

        • Hiraghm

          Godwin’s Law

    • For My Liberty

      SO, you are saying you don’t believe in “Good” and “Bad”?? What Mike said IS the truth ….no matter what sand people want to hide their heads in. Kids that are not taught RESPECT for others. MORALS, and ETHICS …are without a soul. they have NO PROBLEM taking someone’s life. seems like every since they started teaching “Everyone is a winner” in school it started going to hell.

    • http://whatandever.blogspot.com/ Osumashi Kinyobe

      Is he different from anyone else using this and anything to further their agenda?

      Pot, kettle, black, whatever.

      At least his point makes sense.

    • KhadijahMuhammad

      Hypothetically — suppose it could be proven that a strong moral education in school results in citizens with a markedly lower propensity for committing acts of violence in their lives.

      Would you be for it? (And, this is kind of a loaded question. It’s possible, after normalizing for other variables, to determine if graduates of the Catholic school system are less likely to engage in said acts than others.)

      So, if it could be shown, would you be for it?

    • TocksNedlog

      Huckabee says “we have to find our moral compass,” libs say “nobody can be trusted to find their moral compass,” and you equate the two?

    • Hiraghm

      Sorry, you presume a moral equivalence that doesn’t exist. Both “pushing religious beliefs” and gun possession are protected in the Constitution.

    • goldwater89

      Exactly. Loons like Huckabee give normal Christians a bad name.

  • MaddMedic

    Reblogged this on Freedom Is Just Another Word… and commented:
    Is the truth you damn liberals…

  • EOD

    The Left actually hates that the Citizens of Newtown are praying.
    I would not be supprised if the ACLU sued the town and forced the Chuch to be razed.

  • Ricci Logan

    seems to be if you dislike the message you blame the messenger from what I read he gave his belief that more and more of these things happen due to GOD being taken out of schools. I tend to agree with that. The difference tho between what he said adn what libs push is I dont hear him saying we need more laws to bring GOD back to school, I do however hear the libs saying we need more laws for guns

  • http://pinterest.com/j0s1395/ Josephine (D)

    He’s kinda right, you know. When bad things happen, people turn to God for prayer. We’re naturally like that.

    • http://www.facebook.com/rachel.spencer.3990 Rachel Chapman Spencer

      The only prayers God hears are the prayers of His children who are Christians.

      • Rick Stones

        How then can one be saved?

        • Gary Rudick

          Read the Bible -> New Testament -> Ephesians 2:8 -> God saved you by his grace when you believed. And you can’t take credit for this; it is a gift from God.

          Believe What? Hebrews 10:12-13 -> But our High Priest (Jesus Christ) offered himself to God as a single sacrifice for sins, good for all time. Then he sat down in the place of honor at God’s right hand. There he waits until his enemies are humbled and made a footstool under his feet.

          • Rick Stones

            I also read Romans 10:9, “That if you shall confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus, and shall believe in your heart that God has raised him from the dead, you shall be saved.”

            My point was that God must hear the prayer of the unregenerate as they ask Him for grace and forgiveness.

            God bless you!

  • John Smith

    People forget that they kill in the name of religion. It’s called fundamentalism, stupid.

    • TocksNedlog

      Do you have anything coherent to add?

      • John Smith

        Yes. My point was that removal of God from school (if that’s possible, since we never knew he/she was there to begin with) was nothing to do with the shooting of innocent children. So Huckabee is an asshole for saying such stupid shit and this story is just irrelevant.

  • ron9598

    Twitter messages you’ve posted on this page are “exhibit A” that folks are abandoning God…With their vile messages they prove Huckabee right. No self-discipline or decency anymore I guess.

    • Dan Thorpe

      I saw that earlier tonight and new that people where going to jump on him for it. All this twitter response prove his point. In this PC culture that we live in we have removed all sense GOD or morals system from our life, not just schools. Doesn’t matter what side of the aisle your on, when something like this happens the first question people always ask is “why would GOD do something like this?” Unless we can instill some sense of common sense and decency back into this country, this kind of thing will happen gun or no gun.

      • http://www.facebook.com/rachel.spencer.3990 Rachel Chapman Spencer

        Thank you Mr Thorpe. God had nothing to do with this tragedy Only Christians seem to realize this. The devil is the reason for all this tragedy. God gives us freewill and He does not force Himself on people.

        • qualityrkc

          Is god powerless against the devil?

      • KhadijahMuhammad

        Well, right.

        I posted above (kind of kidding, but perhaps not) wondering if we should swap federal gun control for a return of God into the schools.

        What is the better defense against a coersive government? An armed citizenry (considering how outgunned we’d be) or a government of morally trained individuals?

      • qualityrkc

        Common sense? Common sense brought you to the idea that god kills little kids bc atheists took god out of school? That is called insanity not common sense bud.

        • Dan Thorpe

          Yes common sense and GOD are one in the same. Oh wait I never said that.

          • qualityrkc

            Didn’t you say the comments prove huckabees point? Huckabes point was god allowed kids to be slaughtered bc secularists and atheiests usedx the courts to take religion out of school. Its not common sense to say god removes his protection from christians bc of the actions of non christian. It is actually a rather strange and ignorant thing to say.

    • BigSky1970

      It also demonstrates that too many people have abandoned decency and common sense and have promoted hate and irresponsibility.

    • qualityrkc

      I didn’t know where I was until i started reading the comments and noticed I must have gone into the whacky repub fringe part of the internet but still I will help you break down what Huckabee said so you can understand why people are upset. Huckabee said this happened because god has removed his protection bc atheists and secularists have taken god out of public school. Now going purely on statistics it is very safe to assume that atleast one of the kids who died in the massacre was a christian from a christian family. What Huckabee is saying is that god is willing to allow his followers to be massacred as reparation for what the non-believers do. This has atheists, christians, secularists, and basically anybody with a functioning brain angry bc this type of thinking is idiotic and looks to place blame on parties that are innocent. You can believe that god is willing to allow his followers to be massacred bc of what atheists and secularists do but if that is true…what does that say about your god? How sadistic and insecure does one have to be to allow a child who loves you to be murdered bc someone else does not believe you are all powerful?

      • sally1137

        That’s not at all what Huckabee said. Seriously. Listen to him sometime. He is not only decent and kind, he is right.

      • Mark Stephens

        You need to play that recording and listen this time. Governor Huckabee, very simply said that when he was asked, “Where was God?” The answer is, He was exactly where we have put Him. The last point Gov. Huckabee made summed it up nicely. He said that at some point someone will suggest a new law to address this issue. The thing is, there already is one, and it works pretty well. “Thou shalt not kill.” There are also about nine others, but in order to talk about them, we would have to let God back in, and we know how unacceptable that would be.

        It is not that God allowed this tragedy to happen. We did.

        God was there with those teachers and administrators as they cared for their students. Some took bullets for them.

        God was there with the children as they lived through what will likely be the most horrific day of their lives.

        God was also there to take the souls of those who lost their lives into his arms.

        God was, and is, in Newtown as the families struggle through what should be a joyous time of year that for many will never be again.

        No, my friend, God was there, and He was busy.

  • Lady_Clare

    We took God out of our culture, not just our schools. And we’ve let Hollywood teach us morals. It doesn’t seem to be working out too well.

    • ron9598

      and ‘rap’ noise that is piped into our kid’s heads (not just kids) full of wicked and indecent messaging. Garbage in = garbage out.

      • Hearns-Jackson-Hagler-Jones

        I bet he didn’t even listen to rap

        • detroit19

          Not the point…we have NO moral compass.

          • Michael Hampton

            Then teach your morals to your children.

    • Bob Skees

      You got that right Caliane.

    • BigSky1970

      We’re in this vicious cycle and these type of events serve as a reminder to a much larger problem, but so many don’t seem to be getting a clue. Look back at 9/11, there was a huge increase of people going to Church on 9/12 and the following Sunday. But ever since then, I’m sure a lot of those same people who went to Church in the days following the 9/11 attacks have removed God from their lives. Through our own free will, so many of us have allowed evil to permeate the culture.

    • TonyMontana3

      You’re politicizing this tragedy. Disgusting.

      • Hello Jerry (D)

        Not as much as your side is

        • http://twitter.com/hamybear Michael Hampton

          Two wrongs don’t make a right.

      • AaronHarrisinAlaska

        Pointing out politicization is not politicizing. You have to be trying to make a political statement of some kind in order to do that. All twitchy is doing is pointing out the ghoulish, wrong, and rhetorical antics of those who are trying to piliticize.

        Further more, you’ll notice that twitchy has, at no point in time, tried to gain political favor through the use of grandstanding on the backs of 20 slain children. During the initial reports all they did was present the facts as they became apparent. But when the like of Bloomberg, Moore, and ‘Musket’ slithered their way out of the bushes they began pointing out how disgusting these people where for attempting to push a political agenda before the bodies were even cold. That too is not politicizing, thats human decensy.

        And yes, even Fox News is being sick in that regard. Families should approuch the news with their story when they’re good and ready, not be bombarded with requests that fill their voicemail and inboxes.

        • EEKman

          Now you’re outraged, but no one here was outraged over the ridiculous opportunistic politicizing the GOP did over Benghazi? Really?

          • AaronHarrisinAlaska

            So demanding why Washington failed to respond when they knew Benghazi was a terrorist attack and instead pushed the blame on a video, and by extention insulted the citizens of libya by suggesting they’re over zelouse religious bigots with hair triggers, is the same as pushing for more gun controle only a day after the tragedy?
            I’ll have to remember that one for stand up night, because that comparioson is laughable.

            Did it outrage you when you found out the OA was wrong from the very beggining and the Benghazi attack had nothing to do with a video?
            Did it outrage you when CIA agents were forced to defigh orders and mount a rescue mission?
            Did it outrage you that they were told to stand down in the first place?
            Did it outrage you the consolate was denied extraction when they asked for it? Thus resulting in CIA members defighing their orders?
            Did it outrage you when those CIA members were forced to fight off confirmed insurgents? (Not protesters)
            Did it outrage you when they were denied back up, extraction, and air support for over eight hours?
            Did it outrage you that, three days after the attack, Libya’s president was telling us it was a terrorist attack and yet we STILL continued with the youtube video narrative to our people?
            Did it outrage you when Obama put Rice on TV to tell the false story, even though she had no relation to the events and it was out of her area of politics, in other words: she was unqualified to speak on the subject?
            Did it outrage you when it became apparent that there was a CIA faux pa and that documents were edited, internaly?

            And now, biggest question of all: Does it outrage you that the only reason we now know the above facts is because “Mitt Romney made it an issue?” (Actualy, he didn’t, America made it an issue weeks before he started talking about it 😀 )

          • EEKman

            Where is the push for gun control? Uneducated and paranoid is not a good combination.

          • EEKman

            Where is the push for gun control? Uneducated and paranoid is not a good combination.

          • Michael Hampton

            He touched a nerve. You used the death of those four Americans as your own personal political football for months. MONTHS. And you are still using them for political gain. Hypocrite.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Stephanie-Warren/100001648091118 Stephanie Warren

            OBAMA did that!

          • AaronHarrisinAlaska

            So demanding why Washington failed to respond when they knew Benghazi was a terrorist attack and instead pushed the blame on a video, and by extention insulted the citizens of libya by suggesting they’re over zelouse religious bigots with hair triggers, is the same as pushing for more gun controle only a day after the tragedy?
            I’ll have to remember that one for stand up night, because that comparioson is laughable.

            Did it outrage you when you found out the OA was wrong from the very beggining and the Benghazi attack had nothing to do with a video?
            Did it outrage you when CIA agents were forced to defigh orders and mount a rescue mission?
            Did it outrage you that they were told to stand down in the first place?
            Did it outrage you the consolate was denied extraction when they asked for it? Thus resulting in CIA members defighing their orders?
            Did it outrage you when those CIA members were forced to fight off confirmed insurgents? (Not protesters)
            Did it outrage you when they were denied back up, extraction, and air support for over eight hours?
            Did it outrage you that, three days after the attack, Libya’s president was telling us it was a terrorist attack and yet we STILL continued with the youtube video narrative to our people?
            Did it outrage you when Obama put Rice on TV to tell the false story, even though she had no relation to the events and it was out of her area of politics, in other words: she was unqualified to speak on the subject?
            Did it outrage you when it became apparent that there was a CIA faux pa and that documents were edited, internaly?

            And now, biggest question of all: Does it outrage you that the only reason we now know the above facts is because “Mitt Romney made it an issue?” (Actualy, he didn’t, America made it an issue weeks before he started talking about it 😀 )

    • qualityrkc

      Speak for your own family.

    • qualityrkc

      Speak for your own family.

  • Timothy Noonan

    Where the hell was your God today? Twenty kids were taken due to an idiot with guns. I know, this is all part of god’s plan. Well you know what, fuck his plan, it is not fucking working.

    Now it is time we take control of our lives and stop leaving our lives to some fictitious benevolent god; and get rid of the guns.

    • $7610427

      Okay…deal. But, a gun nor violence is EVER to be shown on television or in movies or mentioned in a song by anyone, anywhere, or any place…k??? NEVER…EVER!!! Not even in printed media, including visual “art”. Nor…is anyone to have armed body guards or security detail. Everyone will be EQUALLY unarmed. Deal? DEAL? What’s that… Do I hear “silence”? Thought so…

      • For My Liberty

        OR video games….

        • Timothy Noonan

          About the only thing violent you will become from playing video games is a pilot of a USAF Predator.

      • Hiraghm

        Goodbye rap.

        • Timothy Noonan

          A fan of Tipper’s I see.

      • Timothy Noonan

        Hmmm. I have watched my fair share of profession sports over the years, does that make me a professional, or any type of, athlete? I watch Iron Chef, shall I go open a Michelin three-star restaurant? I watch shows about the universe, does that make me an astrophysicist? All are no. Your premise makes as much as sense as Tipper Gore’s cry against music.

        I hear your crickets.

        • $7610427

          You said “get rid of the guns”… Well, let’s get RID of them then! My premise was a sarcastic one and makes about as much sense as yours does. “Twenty kids were taken due to an idiot with guns.” Maybe we should focus our attentions on the “idiots” and less so on the guns.

          • Timothy Noonan

            Rigorous attention is needed to both. Even after 11 years of war, we largely dismiss mental of veterans, let along the mental health of civilians. We must now, redefine what arms we can bear and many rounds they can hold. If people cannot see the lunacy in civilian ownership of military standard weapons then our country will implode upon itself and the fire and brimstone we feel and smell will come from the muzzle of a firearm.

    • rae palmer

      No one said this was part of God’s plan. Yes, God allows human beings to have a free will, we are not robots and no one wants to be controlled. Because we each act according to that free will, many will act irresponsibly and hurtfully to others. Huckabee’s point was that we don’t teach value for human life, responsibility, or any type of moral codes in school because we can’t allow anything remotely resembling religion. No religion = no accountability to anyone, that’s what you want, right? Well this is what happens as a result. Everyone determines what is right in their own eyes, because there is no ultimate authority to answer to. No accountability = nothing stopping me from doing whatever I want to do.

      • Timothy Noonan

        Accountability is not exclusive to any religion. We created our morals, or accountability as we formed societies scores of thousands years ago long before any known religion.

        Our free will to a safe society to send our children to a school without fear of a madmen made lethal by firearms.

    • Neil Leininger

      Evil people will find other ways to do evil things. It’s not gun, knives, or home made bombs, it’s the desire of man to believe that he can do all things on his own.

      • Timothy Noonan

        So we should just do nothing because people are going do evil anyway? Firearms make it much easier for evil people to project their evil. Why make it easier?

      • http://twitter.com/hamybear Michael Hampton

        Right. No one is mentioning the day before when a man walked into a school in China and stabbed 20 people.

        • v1cious

          And not one of them died. Your point?

    • KhadijahMuhammad

      “Where the hell was your God today?”

      Everywhere.

      “I know, this is all part of god’s plan.”

      Not in any religious system I am aware of. The “plan” includes free will, in which people like you can choose to reject Him if you wish. Unfortunately, it also permits a young nutcase to get a gun and shoot up a school.

      if your demand is that God stop the nutcase, fine, but you probably wouldn’t like what He’d make YOU do under those sorts of rules.

    • http://whatandever.blogspot.com/ Osumashi Kinyobe

      You sure hate God even though you say He doesn’t exist.

      Take your problems up with Him.

    • Ruth Judeah

      Mr. McCarthy, making things illegal does not make them go away. You have but to remember history and current events (drugs) to realize that. I believe the average person wants to be a law-abiding citizen but there will always be those who put their own desires before the rights of others. That always involves some type of conflict. Today, one person chose to put his own feelings of anger and hate above the lives of people who had nothing to do with his issue of sin (or whatever you choose to call it). He chose to take out his anger on innocent people. He made it all about him over the right of others to live.

      Should you chose to take an honest look into history and statistics, you will find that since the Bible and prayer were removed from public schools, ALL negatives have increased. Kids are being taught that truth is relative, that since there was no Creator their lives don’t have a purpose, do what feels good, etc. These are not biblical truths and whether people realize it or not, it has a definite effect on society. So many of our children are angry. Why? I believe it’s because they know they are being sold a bunch of bull by our society that fails them by not teaching them what is right.

      God is here. He hasn’t left us but we have definitely left Him for a secular humanist world where, because we were made to worship, we worship everything but Him. Want to know God’s plan for you? It starts with His Son, Jesus. When we die, all He’ll wants to know is, “What did you chose to do with the Gift I gave to you?” Think about it. O, don’t forget, God is the ultimate Good; Satan, the antithesis. Try blaming him instead.

      • Timothy Noonan

        Since your God created all things, he created Satan too. So again, blame your God. When you do not believe in god, you do not believe in satan either. No heaven. No hell. Our good and evil are products of our own doing. Greatly restricting access to firearms greatly reduces our ability to project our evil.

        • Ruth Judeah

          Quite tHe contrary, Mr. McCarthy. Again, one has but to peruse the any number of dailies to realize that regulation does little to impede the determined. It simply serves to further shackle those who chose to abide by the by the rules. To the criminal, undisciplined, or ‘insane’ more laws provides barely a hurdle to consider. I do not presume to know the mind of God other than what He has chosen to reveal in Scripture. That having been said, He sent His Son for ‘whosoever would believe’. I hope someday, Mr. McCarthy, you will experience His love & grace unto salvation.

          • Timothy Noonan

            If Congress had any balls to stand up the NRA and maintain a permanent ban on privately owned assault weapons and restrict the number of rounds a pistol can hold, 20 children and six adults are alive today and yesterday to go to buildings to worship the god you so dearly believe in.

            Regulations don’t work you say. Why then do we already regulate the arms we can bear? Go get a mortar or howitzer for your own use. Nothing more than a 6-round magazine pistol, shotgun, and a hunting rifle is needed to defend your self and get a nice venison dinner. You want better self-defense, learn a martial art or two. It is much more effective and no innocent person will be shot and killed by the rounds you will fail to deliver at your target.

            I believed in all of the stories at one time, they fail to bring any reasoning to what goes on in this world nor to explain how we got here. All they are good for to me are plot lines for movies and books.

    • TocksNedlog

      Yes, life WAS so much more civilized back when people could only kill each other with swords and knives and clubs and lighting buildings on fire, wasn’t it?

      • lainer51

        don’t forget Uncle Teddy’s Oldsmobile?
        July 18, 1969 – look it up..

    • Hiraghm

      Guns aren’t the problem; I can have guns, and I don’t plan on mowing down any schools. It’s that “free will” crap that God gave us. If I didn’t have free will, I wouldn’t have the ability to form the intent to commit mass-murder. I’d be a robot, doing what I was programmed to do and nothing else (the origin of the term “robot” referred to such humans, btw).

      That’s what all you gun control advocates are really arguing against; free will. Guess what? Bad things happen; bad people do bad things. Just as the solution for bad speech is not bans on speech, but free exercise of speech, the solution to gun violence is exercise of gun ownership. How many teachers had semi-auto pistols in their desks or on their hips? How many would it have taken to turn a massacre into a gun fight?

      • Timothy Noonan

        Bad people can’t do bad things like what happened in Newton, Aurora, Oregon, Virginia Tech, San Diego, among myriad of others if firearms are not so prevalent.

        Free will you say. So we are to sit idly back and dismiss what happens with mass shootings as free will? It is our free will to live in a soceity where we can send our children to school and expect them to come home. It is our free will to go to a mall to shop and expect to come home. It is our free will to go to a movie and expect to come home. Seemingly sane people go from madmen to deadly with the firearms that are available to them today, this will change.

        Arm the teachers you say. Great. Let our kids grow up in a war zone and more would have died as not every round, if any, would hit the shooter and some, from a teacher’s firearm, would have hit and killed a child. Leaving that teacher responsible for the death of a child. Same myopic statements were said about Aurora.

    • lainer51

      the 2nd amendment isn’t going ANYWHERE, so get used to it. Even your president, who hates the 2nd amendment, isn’t going to touch that hot potato (despite his never-ending campaign rhetoric).

      • Timothy Noonan

        Maybe not, but a much more restricted definition of an arm will come about. As will a nationwide standard of how said arms are tracked, a chain of custody is needed from manufacturer to each and every person who has the weapon.

    • BeyondPolls

      Where do you think morality comes from?

      • Timothy Noonan

        Humans created the concept of a god and thus, humans created their own morality. We created our morals as we formed societies scores of thousands years ago.

        • BeyondPolls

          By your logic, not only was the Connecticut shooting okay in the shooter’s eyes, but the Holocaust was okay in Germany’s eyes. Therefore, they created their own morality.

          • Timothy Noonan

            Odds are he believed in god and Hitler was a believer. So much for having god in your so you do not do evil. I hypothesize the rate of evil done by believers is orders of magnitude larger than the rate of evil done by non-believers. There is no difference in rate of good done by both groups.

          • BeyondPolls

            That’s completely beside the point.
            If individuals determine their own morality, then the Connecticut shooting was okay. But we all know it was not, so let’s look at other options.
            If societies determine morality, then the Holocaust was okay. Most of us know it was not.
            The question is, why do we know these things are not okay?

          • Timothy Noonan

            It is the point. Both were part of the god-believing society and yet they still committed heinous atrocities on their fellow humans. The inclusion of god in society will not make any less likely to do evil things anymore than the exclusion god from society. What we need more of is respect towards each other. Use your god for strength and guidance, just don’t, like Huckabee, condemn those who do not see the point in worshiping something we do believe in anymore or ever.

          • BeyondPolls

            God’s reputation is not determined by people. What is your source of morality?

          • Timothy Noonan

            Here is what you don’t get, God’s whole existence and reputation is determined by the people who created the concept of god. God is simple excuse/answer for dismissing the thing we do not know. That there is some plan for us. There isn’t a plan other than survival of the fittest – birth, procreation, and death. What we do before death is up to us, Work together as an American society to make things better segregate into our sub-society and make things worse.

          • BeyondPolls

            Your argument about Yahweh being a human invention would make sense if we didn’t have morality to deal with. Once we establish where morality came from, then we can talk about the rest.
            So, where do you think morality comes from?

          • Timothy Noonan

            Started when we formed our societies tens of thousands years ago. The alpha male set rules of the society and the most successful ones survived and were copied. Our Neanderthal cousins had societies with structure. God was invented as we developed language and began to philosophize about our existence as we observed the world we walked and the universe above us. Morales are not a function of belief, god was born from our lack of understanding of the world and universe and the morales we were living by. Cheers!

          • BeyondPolls

            If societies determine morality, then the Holocaust was okay. Also, Islamic mistreatment of women, Chinese child labor, and European human trafficking and sex slavery are all acceptable is societies determine morality.

          • Timothy Noonan

            Yeah, and our society, apparently, feels it is okay to let 20 innocent children die in order to maintain unfettered access to weapons of war by it’s mentally unstable citizens out of a paranoia of tyranny by a government of it’s own making.

            And yes, there are Islamic societies that have determined that it is their god-given duty to mistreat women. Kill daughters who have been raped. Human trafficking happens in the USA and it is not acceptable by societies. There are world-wide laws against it. The holocaust was not accepted by German society.

            Societies determine morality based on many factors. You do not seem to get this. It is not hard.

          • BeyondPolls

            Yes. Those factors were invented by God.

          • Timothy Noonan

            Ha! Ha! If so, only after we invented god. All the best.

          • BeyondPolls

            Nobody invented God. I hope you’ll think about what I’ve said.

          • Timothy Noonan

            I respectfully disagree. Have a Merry Christmas.

          • BeyondPolls

            Have a Merry Christmas yourself and thanks for using the word ‘Christmas’ 😉

          • Timothy Noonan

            Thank you. I have no problem with the word, I still celebrate it as a holiday of peace and goodwill and my wife is a devout Catholic.

          • BeyondPolls

            Good to talk to you. :)

        • J.N. Ashby

          Homosapien sapiens didn’t exist 144000 years ago, and especially not multiples of that. I’m not refuting your point. I’m just saying.

          • Timothy Noonan

            I do not know how you derived 144,000 years but that time frame is well within the accepted time frame of human existence. I merely said scores of thousands, which, at minimum, is 40,000 years. I could very easily go to 200,000 years of human existence.

    • Joe W.

      God gave man the gift of CHOICE, my friend. Your post and your use of foul language illustrates Mr. Huckabee’s point marvelously. God does NOT make us do anything. We are free to accept His son as our savior or not. The result of choosing to turn our backs on Him are born out in this tragedy as well as in your filthy post. May God Bless you anyway, James. (Nice, Biblical name, by the way!!)

      • Timothy Noonan

        God gave us nothing. God is a product of our doing. If your concept of a god gave us free will then his plan nothing more than do what you want I don’t care. That is not a plan. As to the language, would you feel better if I just forget his plan, is not bloody or freaking working? Changing the words does not change the intent.

        Huckabee the man who set free a man that went on to kill those sworn to protect our society with a gun.

        • Joe W.

          As I said, James, God gave you free will. He also gave you life. He gave you the option to reject him, as well…which you have clearly
          done. Sounds to me as though you are quite young and ignorant of what the Bible says about such things. God has a plan for mankind, son. He does NOT micro manage man. He desires for us to follow His word and the teachings of Jesus. But he will never force you. I wish you well, James. I also pray that the day will come where your eyes and heart will be opened up to receive the Grace of God. Until then, I will pray for your soul, even though you would rather I did not. Merry Christmas, James.

          • Timothy Noonan

            Young and ignorant? Hardly. Sufficiently aged and wise enough in my fifth decade of life to question the existence of a supposedly loving god and recover from Catholic catechism. I will be well as I wish the best for you.

  • Hearns-Jackson-Hagler-Jones

    So the little kids died because some people pushed God out of school? What he said was every bit as bad as what the Westboro folks say people will just claim it’s not.

    • Dan Thorpe

      No…..he said that no one knows why things like this happen. This country has lost its moral compass about what is right and wrong and for some people that starts with GOD. You can’t push GOD out of everyday life to be PC and they ask how GOD could do something like this when a tragedy happens. I am not religious, my times going to church account for the major holidays but I believe in GOD and believe in treating people the way that I would want them to treat me. What Mike said was absolutely correct, do I believe he should he made such pointed comments directed at schools systems? No, but that doesn’t make him wrong.

    • KhadijahMuhammad

      Dude. You gotta peel the onion.

      The problem is that we’ve removed moral education from the schools, and replaced with with a postmodern philosophy that de-emphasizes accountability and a sense of right and wrong.

      Religion is the primary way, culturally, we inculcate that sense of moral accountability in children.

      And, at the same time, we glorify violence in our media, despite the fact that there are unquestionable, peer-reviewed connections between social violence and screen violence.

      We go to war whenever we damn well feel like it.

      We defend abortion, something that is very obvious to even many pro-choicers that is “wrong” from a core moral standpoint.

      And, more specifically, we allow kids with known problems like this shooter to move through the schools, and as long as he never commits a crime, he gets released into society.

      • Hiraghm

        Well said. Just bear in mind that there is an issue of *context* with regard to violence. A video game, movie or tv show that shows police or soldiers using violence to protect the innocent is not the same as one that makes heroes of gangster thugs using violence to oppress and intimidate the innocent, for example.

        • KhadijahMuhammad

          Agreed. What some studies have shown, though, is that there are children (who grow into people) that process screen violence in “odd” ways. One of those “odd” ways is an inability to (to put it colloquially) distinguish between “proper” and “improper” usage, or “not being able to tell the good guys from the bad guys.”

          Every adult sociopath started out as a kid. Those kids sometimes look at screen violence and say “hey, if it helps me come out on top, what’s the problem?”

      • Rick Stones

        The murder of the most innocent among us (the “yet-to-be-born”) is inherently abhorrent. People instinctively understand this. But we have boiled the frog for long enough now to make people numb to this reality. To attempt to avoid being seen as murdering monsters, the people who advocate abortion say internally contradictory things like: “Abortion should be safe, legal, and rare.” Wait… WHAT??? If abortion is morally OK and not the equivalent of evil murder, then why would anyone care in the slightest that it be “rare”? How can we become so blind as a nation to fall prey to evil, twisted outrage like legal, glamorized, murder of innocent babies?

        • KhadijahMuhammad

          I understand this a bit differently.

          The problem is that we have a Constitution that prohibits (for all intents and purposes) the use of religious belief in the creation of common law. I acknowledge therefore that we cannot ban abortion based on its being “evil” or “sinful” according to someone’s beliefs.

          What we’ve done is fail miserably (probably because so many of the pro-life advocates are so because of religious belief) at discussing the social, moral, and personal issues that also make the procedure “wrong”. It is RATIONAL to believe that something that WILL be human IS human; it takes a jigger of illogic with a shot of immorality to create a “pro-choice cocktail” if you will. However, like the Prohibitionists, we try to OUTLAW drinking rather than explaining to the drinker the social, moral, and personal benefits of abstaining.

          That didn’t work then, isnt’ working now. Abortion is and may well have to be legal, constitutionally. But if we were morally competent as citizens, it would naturally be rare, and people who had one wouln’d speak of it because of social stigma.

      • http://twitter.com/hamybear Michael Hampton

        No one is stopping you from giving your kids a moral compass. You are expecting the government to do it for you.

        • KhadijahMuhammad

          Nonsense. Think though what’s been said in this thread.

          1) You’re absolutely right, I am responsible for providing that “moral compass. That’s not the issue at hand, however.

          2) What’s at hand is the fact that so many parents FAIL at doing this. This turns the schools, because of their postmodern world view, into a lost opportunity.

          3) Schools are supposed to EDUCATE and PREPARE children to play a constructive role in society, not allow them to default to a nihilistic world view where they can cause damage.

          4) The above is possible, it should be said, without explicitly inserting *God* into the curriculum and school life. So much literature, to provide one example, provides explicit moral lessoning, but curriculums today are often so averse to what they see (incorrectly) as “judgementalism” that they avoid classroom education or discussion on explicitly moral themes.

          Hope that helps. I am decidedly NOT looking for the government to provide something that I can do. I am looking for the government to step back and again permit the type of values-based education that we’ve traditionally had throughout our history.

          • Michael Hampton

            Here’s a story that may educate you. My sister came home from school one day and cried and cried because one of her teachers told her that my parents were going to hell because they drank occasionally and went dancing with their friends once a month. My parents sat her down and explained to her, that those things are some people’s beliefs. That some people believe one thing is bad that other people don’t think is bad. That believing different things is what makes this country so great. That you can believe whatever you want and not face reprisal from self righteous zealots. My sister understood and stopped crying.

            See? You can actually talk to your children about what they learn in school and then give them your opinion of it. Don’t believe in the science of evolution? Tell your kids that. It’s easy. Well, unless they are intellectually curious and read up on the science. Don’t believe in global climate change? Tell your kids that! Again, unless they are smart, they will believe you.

            And you are trying to blame schools for the failure of parents to parent their own children. It’s ridiculous. It’s not school’s fault that people can’t parent their children, it’s theirs. For a party that talks about personal responsibility, you sure aren’t good at taking it.

          • KhadijahMuhammad

            No education there. I would never suggest the introduction of SECT-SPECIFIC moral beliefs into a pluralistic schools system. The evolution issue is sect-specific; climate change views are not tied to sect or religion at all.

            That all said, *most* moral quandaries in life are NOT sect specific. It’s not OK to steal. It’s not OK to bed somebody else’s spouse. It’s a good idea to treat people the way you yourself would like to be treated. And so on.

            “And you are trying to blame schools for the failure of parents to parent
            their own children.”

            Sorry, that’s NOT what I’m saying, which is why my prior post started with “Think through what’s being said in this thread.” (Apparently you did not.) What I DID say is that the school has a well recognized function of preparing children to live in a society. Schools aren’t just places where knowledge is downloaded; if THAT was true, we could replace all the teachers right now with iPads. Schools have a sociologic element to them, and when moral education is REMOVED, an essential opportunity to socialize children into that society is lost.

            ” For a party that talks
            about personal responsibility, you sure aren’t good at taking it.”

            I have no idea what that means. Are you suggesting that the Dims really don’t care if tomorrow ANOTHER kid goes out with an assault rifle and offs some more kids, as long as schools can remain nihilistic?

            I would have thought that the Dims, who are admittedly more empathetic than the GOP in some respects, would have been the first to say “WHY do so many people seem to be exhibiting antisocial behavior nowadays?” rather than “they can be antisocial if they want to, as long as they don’t have a gun.”

            Seems rather cold and heartless. Perhaps you don’t have children.

      • http://twitter.com/dHarbula Dave Harbula

        So very well put..

    • http://whatandever.blogspot.com/ Osumashi Kinyobe

      Anyone with a functioning moral compass doesn’t mow down children in cold blood. People have pushed God out of their lives and… well… see for yourself.

    • lainer51

      duh!!

  • my preciousss!!

    my ardent prayers to the family of those beloved children. just awful and heartbreaking. but i can take comfort in the words of Christ.
    {Jesus said, “Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the
    kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these.” Matthew 19:14 NIV}

    rest little ones forever in the bosom of Almighty God.

    • http://twitter.com/Whygetmad America Is Beautiful

      Thank you for that verse! This is spiritual warfare between the seen and the unseen! The remarks of these unbelievers are no different than in Jesus’ day! They killed Him for healing the sick and lame, the blind and wretched and for telling the truth about who HE is! But He defeated Satan on the Cross of Calvary, when He Arose on the third day triumphantly, becoming the first born of the dead! He will return with a loud roar on the clouds of Heaven as He promised, to collect the saints from the four corners of the earth! Not all will be saved, only the obedient! So Christians arise and don’t be deterred by the rhetoric of fools who will perish! This persecution will only get worse as the world falls into further darkness! We must continue to speak out, for who will defend God?

      • my preciousss!!

        i’m with you. we are near the end times. take care.

      • http://www.cosmicgirl.net/ Cosmic Girl

        Yes. As the world grows darker, our light must shine brighter.

  • KhadijahMuhammad

    We should offer to swap them a national ban on guns for a return to religious education in schools and a national ban on abortion.

    The squirming would be entertaining.

  • v1cious

    I don’t know what’s worse: The fact that no one’s called for his suspension, or the fact that most of you agree with him.

    • Dan Thorpe

      suspend him for what? He was a guest on the show to give his thoughts. The fact that a lot of us agree with shows the fundamental difference between conservative America and the Progressives in this country.

      edit: Pardon me I spoke too soon, didn’t he realize he had a show on FOX News. Still the question stands why would they fire him? He didn’t say anything racist, sexist or offensive

    • TocksNedlog

      Maybe “what’s worse” is YOUR call for someone to receive a “suspension” in return for voicing his opinion.

      • lainer51

        only the right cannot voice their opinion; libs have no problem with Maher and Lettermen hoping Palin’s daughter is attacked. After all, it is all said in “jest” by those hilarious comedians.

      • michael s

        maybe someone should ask huckabee did he take god out of the governor’s office when he let that cop killer out of prison? didn’t rod parker just receive a suspension for voicing his opinion? weren’t there calls for tingles to be suspended for voicing his opinion on how he was happy of hurricane sandy in the 2012 election? Jay Carney said it best “We can have that discussion but not today.” The same applies to huckabee.

        • TocksNedlog

          Yeah well, the concept that there is a moral “line” of decorum that applies when making comments, and that some comments cross that line, while others do not, is a tricky one.
          For further reference, see the discussion about what Leonard Nimoy tweeted.

    • Hiraghm

      Then you don’t get what he said. He’s not talking about imposing Bible study in schools. He’s talking about the old-fashion Biblical morality children used to have imposed upon them by their parents, be they Moslem, Jewish, Christian or agnostic.

  • http://whatandever.blogspot.com/ Osumashi Kinyobe

    Considering the pieces of crap who attacked Mike Huckabee, he must be doing something right.

    Culture matters. Remove God and someone or something ugly and evil will replace Him. Have to change that.

    • BigSky1970

      Remove light from the room and you have darkness.

    • http://twitter.com/hamybear Michael Hampton

      Kids can pray in school all they want. You just can’t force them to do it.

      • Rick Stones

        The issue is not simply prayer in school. It is the systematic, pervasive, and enduring secular humanist, anti-God indoctrination to which our children are subjected that give them no frame of reference to guide their decisions. For a fortunate minority, they have parents, grandparents, Sunday School teachers, and pastors who care enough to provide this teaching. For the vast majority, they don’t.

        • http://twitter.com/hamybear Michael Hampton

          YOU GIVE YOUR KIDS A FRAME OF REFERENCE TO GUIDE THEIR DECISIONS! Please stop saying that the school is doing anything other than educating your kids. It is YOUR job to teach them about religion. Not the government’s. And you are saying that parents are failing at this, so blame the parents. Don’t tell the schools to parent their children for them. Blame them. Tell them to their face that they are failures as parents.

          • Rick Stones

            I will not stop saying the schools are doing something other than educating my kids (even if you continue to use all upper-case letters to shout at me). Public schools are exposing them to a systematic and enduring pattern of dogmatic principles that are designed (very effectively, by the way) to destroy their faith, dilute their understanding of right and wrong, distill a warped concept of non-accountability, and diminish and marginalize the magnificent, awe-inspiring heritage of our once-great nation.

            The vast majority of parents are not prepared to provide compelling counter-arguments, and most don’t even understand there might be a need to do so. Anyone under the age of 60 has been subjected to the same cultural genocide themselves.

          • EEKman

            Ill go one further and say that faith in bronze age superstition is not a good thing. Slavery isn’t even in the 10 commandments. The Bible is not even a decent example of morality. Religion had its chance to run the world. It failed. Every religion that got its claws on world power has been a destructive force. Christianity, Catholicism, Islam, whatever. How about we let Science have a chance.

          • EEKman

            Ill go one further and say that faith in bronze age superstition is not a good thing. Slavery isn’t even in the 10 commandments. The Bible is not even a decent example of morality. Religion had its chance to run the world. It failed. Every religion that got its claws on world power has been a destructive force. Christianity, Catholicism, Islam, whatever. How about we let Science have a chance.

          • qualityrkc

            Whaqt indoctorination are you speaking of? I went to public sckool k through 12th grade. I would love to hear about this propaganda you speak of bc my teachers always avoided controversy like the plage. They only taught us the facts and allowed us time to express our opinions in reports and open class discussions. Not once did I ever hear a specific idealogy being pushed in school aside from work hard and get good grades and you will make it into a good college. Please provide examples by citing specific curriculum bc anybody graduating from public school is gunna look at you like you are crazy when you start dewcribing ps as indoctorination centers. Sounds to me like you are upset schools teach critical thinking abilities which makes it harder for you to sell them a juvenile story about a magic man in the sky that watches everything you do and if you don’t acknowledge this invisible entity he will send you to an eternity of torment in hell…bc he loves you….yeh educated people are not going to buy that irrational bollocks.

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        • Michael Hampton

          Yes they can. I don’t know if you know this, but you can pray silently to yourself anywhere. You don’t have to speak out loud for God to hear you. Again, you just can’t have the school force all students to do it.

          • Lady 12

            So why can’t they pray out loud? One kid praying out loud is not forcing anyone else to pray. And why is it that Muslim kids praying out loud isn’t forcing prayer on anyone else, but it is if Christians pray?

          • Michael Hampton

            Why do they need to pray out loud? Praying out loud isn’t for the benefit of God. It’s to try and make yourself look holier to other human beings. It has nothing to do with God. God can hear everything. It’s just like that speaking in tongues nonsense. They do it at my mother’s church and it is only to try and make themselves look more holy than the person standing next to them who isn’t doing it.

            And, as I have said many times, Muslim people don’t try to force others to do things here in this country. I don’t know why you are fixated on them. They don’t care about you.

          • Lady 12

            What they need to do isn’t the point! The point is that they are being given fewer freedoms in public schools than kids of other religions.

          • Michael Hampton

            No they are not. They just can’t force others to do it with them anymore.

          • Michael Hampton

            Why do they need to pray out loud? Praying out loud isn’t for the benefit of God. It’s to try and make yourself look holier to other human beings. It has nothing to do with God. God can hear everything. It’s just like that speaking in tongues nonsense. They do it at my mother’s church and it is only to try and make themselves look more holy than the person standing next to them who isn’t doing it.

            And, as I have said many times, Muslim people don’t try to force others to do things here in this country. I don’t know why you are fixated on them. They don’t care about you.

        • qualityrkc

          A school isn’t a playground for the kids. You cannot form groups and go to a part of the school to do rituals without supervision. At my school you werent even allowed inside unless it was school hours. None of this prayer pow ow in the caf before school stuff.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/J5JCEGQQBV6AVHXFOYOD4GKCRU Jeffrey

    He has an opinion, you have an opinion. That makes things about even or equal. If you feel his opinion is wrong, remember even or equal and vice versa. Just because you feel he is wrong, doesn’t make you right…
    Thinking people are foolish and ignorant if they believe in a religion, just look at it from the flip side. What do you think you look like to them???
    Ask your self one question, All 20 of those kids that died today, especially if one was yours, do you hope they went somewhere better??? if not, your the sick one…

    • http://twitter.com/hamybear Michael Hampton

      Believe me. I hear what I look like to them all the time. Look at these comments and you can see how they release streams of self righteous indignation at them.

  • http://twitter.com/Whygetmad America Is Beautiful

    I can not as a Christian believe some of the vile tweets I just read! They are the problem, they are the Godless society! They need to study history and learn what happens to societies that deny God! Those societies become ripe for tyrannical despots! Don’t they know that this country was founded on Judeo-Christian values? Some of our greatest institutions of learning were Christian centered from the beginning! To attack Mike that way just shows how the body politic has truly been corrupted with the secular progressives who don’t think past their own selfish desires! Mike did not attack anyone, he made the mistake of saying the one thing that drives them crazy: GOD! You see if you accept that there is a God of the universe then you have to be subject to a power greater than yourself, thus you have no control of your life, God does! This is too much for the Godless progressives to swallow! It means that they have to be accountable to some one greater than themselves! Remember, they banned God from their platform at their hateful convention! I will never forget that! Mike is right! And until we as a nation repent , we will continue to fail as the” shining city on a hill.”

    • EEKman

      Religion had its chance to rule the world, it did not go so well. It destroys everything it touches. The sooner bronze age superstition is purged from our collective consciousness the better.

      Either god can do nothing to stop these tragedies, doesn’t care or doesn’t exist. Hes either impotent, evil, or imaginary. Take your pick.

  • Colin

    When I read all “the twits” above I am convinced that if all the brain cells in America were shared out among the general population the number of brain cells per person would be 0.00001 each.

  • TheTweetest

    God is in control and man is desperately wicked.. rejoice and know, for the dead are alive in Christ.

  • J.N. Ashby

    The Phelpses are never short of hilarious.

    • TheOriginalDonald

      Uncle Joe and Chairman Mao really were funny, weren’t they?

      • J.N. Ashby

        lol wut?

        • TheOriginalDonald

          While despicable, Fred Phelps has yet to MURDER anyone, unlike Stalin and Mao

          • J.N. Ashby

            Ok. Your point?

  • Rick Stones

    Mike Huckabee is absolutely correct. God bless him for having the courage to say it and be willing to stand and face the blast furnace hate and filth that the lunatic left would heap on him. Here’s what the founder’s believed should be taught in schools:

    (From the Northwest Ordinance)

    “Article 3: Religion, morality, and knowledge being necessary to good
    government and the happiness of mankind, schools and the means of
    education shall forever be encouraged.”

    1 Religion: “fundamental system of beliefs concerning man’s origin and relationship to the cosmic universe as well as his relationship to his fellowman.”

    2. Morality: “a standard of behavior distinguishing right from wrong.”

    3. Knowledge: “an intellectual awareness and understanding of established facts relating to any field of human experience or inquiry (i.e., history, geography, science, etc.).”

    The founding fathers believed that the government they were creating would only be successful so long as the people being governed were “virtuous”. And they knew that morality without religion was not possible, so they advocated that religion be taught in schools.

    But since 1962, our public schools have taught none of these things. Our kids have been bombarded with idiotic lies that deceive them into believing they are the result of random chemical processes and are the descendents of slimy amoeba worms that wiggled their greasy way out of a pre-biotic ooze. That they were created from nothing, they are accountable to no one, and when they die, there is nothing else. So, why should they value human life as anything “special”? Why should they live a life of Godly restraint. They are taught only to eat, drink, be merry – for tomorrow, we die and are no more!

    Here’s the result, since 1962 (from “America: To Pray or Not to Pray, by David Barton):

    *Pregnancies in Teen Aged Girls – By 1994 had gone up 400%-Highest rate of teen aged motherhood in the West.

    *Sexually Transmitted Diseases – Cases of gonorrhea up almost 400% among students age 10 to 14.

    *Two Thirds of teenage boys say they’ve had sex. By the time they are 18 they’ve had on average, 5 partners.

    *Rapes committed by 13-14 year old boys increased 186%

    *Divorce rates – up 120%

    *Single parent families – up 140%

    *SAT scores declined sharply

    *American students often place last in international scholastic competitions

    * When attention focused on teachers to find the reasons for students’ failure, many teachers failed certification tests.

    *Dramatic increase in school violence

    *Student suicides up 253%

    *Students lack basic information – poor skills – bad for the business community

    *Military forced to provide remedial education for recruits

    *Between 1962 and 1993 violent crime in the US increased 660%

    *Alcohol use increased dramatically

    *National productivity decreased

    *Drug use

    *Illiteracy

    *72 million adults functionally illiterate

    *26 million can’t read at all

    We don’t have a problem with lax gun control. We have a much more fundamental problem than that. I predict that the idiot lib’s will likely be successful in their quest to trample the 2nd Amendment before Obama is finished destroying the country. And after they do, the trajectory of these horrifying statistics will not be altered in the slightest (except perhaps to accelerate further in the wrong direction).

    • http://twitter.com/hamybear Michael Hampton

      So all of you who keep talking about less government, now want your kids to be taught religion in school. You want the government to teach your kids about religion? Really? And I will say again, that kids can pray in school right now. You just can’t make the school force them all to do it together.

      • Rick Stones

        Our nations schools are administered by state and local governments – not the federal government. That’s why the Northwest Ordinance says the moral teachings of religion, “shall forever be encouraged”, rather than “required, or mandated”.

        • http://twitter.com/hamybear Michael Hampton

          Oh please. Justify your hypocrisy any way you want to. Still hypocrisy.

          • Rick Stones

            Not really sure where you believe I have been hypocritical. I am simply presenting my views as to why I believe our nation has lost its moral compass so badly. I don’t see any compromise with what I’ve stated here, and my deeply held views regarding limited federal government and the sovereignty of state’s rights. I believe we could gather up every gun in the nation and grind them all to powder, and it would not alter the downward spiral of moral decay in the United States. The problem is much deeper and more pervasive than a simple-minded political pet issue.

          • http://twitter.com/hamybear Michael Hampton

            You are being hypocritical in saying that you want a small government and yet you want the government to teach children religion. Even if it is the state government allowing it, the federal government will have to regulate it. There! See? Hypocrisy.

          • Rick Stones

            No. I certainly don’t see. If you disagree that schools should teach morality, it is simply your opinion. And even though you apparently think so, the litmus test for hypocrisy is not disagreeing with your opinions.

            I believe the absence of such teaching is a major source of the moral decay of our society. There is no hypocrisy here. Government doesn’t need to grow bigger to do what I believe is the right thing. In fact, if a trade off must be made, we can just drop funding for the latest curriculum in multicultural globalization and the ethno-centric subtlties of sexual body gestures. That ought to free up plenty of resources without growing government at all.

          • Gary Rudick

            You are the one who is purposely obtuse on the differences between local, state, and federal levels of government. And apparently you never heard of private (religious or not) schools, but those parents still have to pay public school taxes. What “school” did you “graduate” from, because you’re dumb as a brick, and one day you’re going to find out how a brick gets made.

          • http://twitter.com/WilloughbyAnnie Annie Willoughby

            The government is now teaching our children to tolerate a lifestyle that has always been recognized as contrary to the laws of nature, not to mention nature’s god. That’s different?

          • Michael Hampton

            So you want the school to teach all children to hate gay people with a vengeance. What will that do? How will schools be better if the majority of the kids at that school hate a few kids because their parents are gay? They should beat those kids for having gay parents? I don’t understand what you are asking for. And you can still teach your kids to hate gay people all you want. It’s called being a parent. Just because they don’t want to, don’t blame gay people for your kids being tolerant.

          • Michael Hampton

            So you want the school to teach all children to hate gay people with a vengeance. What will that do? How will schools be better if the majority of the kids at that school hate a few kids because their parents are gay? They should beat those kids for having gay parents? I don’t understand what you are asking for. And you can still teach your kids to hate gay people all you want. It’s called being a parent. Just because they don’t want to, don’t blame gay people for your kids being tolerant.

          • http://twitter.com/WilloughbyAnnie Annie Willoughby

            The government is now teaching our children to tolerate a lifestyle that has always been recognized as contrary to the laws of nature, not to mention nature’s god. That’s different?

    • qualityrkc

      You say Mike Huckabee is correct. This means you believe god will punish his followers for what the non believers do? You think it is christians who took god out of school? It was secular atheists who did that using our court system. Since when does god punish christians for the acts of non christians??? This is nothing like the god I learned of growing up who is filled with love and offers salvation to those who accept him in their heart. You dont think any of those kids killed were Christian!?!? What a horrible statement! You and Huckabee should be ashamed! Only person to blame for this is that nutty kid who went on a massacre.

      • Rick Stones

        Mike Huckabee did not say what you apparently think he did. He absolutely did not say that God punished those kids for anything. What happened to those children wasn’t engineered by God. It wasn’t part of His grand plan. God hates what happened to these children much more than you or I do. He hates it so bad He was willing to leave His heavenly dwelling, cloak Himself in human flesh, and enter His creation to suffer and die so that the corruption of His perfect Creation can one day be redeemed, and healed, and restored.

        Mike Huckabee said that this kind of horror happens, in large part, because we (you and I), have been miserable stewards of God’s manifold blessings. Through laziness, apathy and fear of man’s scorn, we have allowed our children’s schools to be taken over by godless, extremism bent on implementing radical ideology. Again, as I said elsewhere here, our kids are being exposed to a systematic and persistent pattern of dogmatic principles designed to destroy their faith, dilute their understanding of right and wrong, distill a warped concept of non-accountability, and diminish the magnificent heritage of our once-great nation. God isn’t punishing anyone for that. He is weeping in horror.

        Morality, as witnessed through God’s providential involvement in our nation’s history, is no longer part of our kids upbringing. We have camel-sized problems to solve here, yet we are arguing over gnats.

        • qualityrkc

          So you are saing god is either incapable or unwilling to protect his followers bc of the actions of non christians? How is not saving them any different than punishing them? How does an all powerful creator not have the power to save his youngest followers??

        • qualityrkc

          And why is god allowing secularists to win in court if he wants god in school?? He has no power over the law?we are fighting in court, what else can we do?does he wants us to use physical force to put god back in school and until we do that our kids will die???we have no legal basis or recourse to put god back in school so what are you proposing? More violence?this whole thing is so incredibly confusing. Chbristians have tried to keep god in school but secularists used the law to keep him out. Are secularists more powerful than us even when we have god on our side? Why isn’t god helping us when we do everything we can to get him in school aside from use violence? And to punish us for our failed efforts he takes his protection off the younglings and allows them to be killed in the worst way imaginable?

          • Rick Stones

            I wish I could answer these questions, but I can’t. Here’s what I believe… I believe God can and does act in the world in direct and miraculous ways at times. But that isn’t His usual mode of operation. Most often, He acts in the world by asking for you and me to VOLUNTEER! In Acts 1:1 Luke writes, “In the first book, O Theophilus, I have dealt with all that Jesus began to do and teach”. This “first book” that Luke is referring to is the Gospel of Luke, which ends with death, resurrection, and ascension of Jesus – but here in the first verse of Acts, Luke says he only dealt with the things “Jesus BEGAN to do and teach”. The greatest miracle in the universe is that Jesus is still doing and still teaching right now, today! But he’s doing it primarily THROUGH US! We, as disciples and followers of our Lord, are the “doers and teachers” of Jesus’ ongoing ministry. Behold, the kingdom of God is at hand, and its you and me who are helping bring it near.

            God has always accomplished his mission by asking ordinary people to do extraordinary things. Holy Scripture itself, even though “breathed out by God” and fully divine, was also penned by regular human volunteers and is fully human as well. So, even though God can and does intervene at times directly in the history of human events, He isn’t the great puppet-master in the sky, pulling all the strings, directing every action, shielding every person from every harm. He gives us the means to help accomplish His mission, and asks us to follow Him. He doesn’t promise to keep us from trouble, but He promises to never leave us when trouble comes (Deuteronomy 31:8; Isaiah 43:2; Matthew 28:20, etc).

            When people ask, “So if God is all-powerful, why does He allow people to starve in the world?” I wonder if they have looked around! God provided the productive capacity on this planet to feed every living soul a hundred times over. Its OUR responsibility to use it and share it in a way that people don’t starve. We don’t have a PRODUCTION (i.e., God) problem. We have a DISTRIBUTION (i.e., people) problem.

            I know I didn’t answer your very difficult questions. But this is what I thought about as I read them…

  • http://www.BizFlipCoach.com Paul Forsberg

    Huckabee is 100% correct.
    Guns Don;t Kill People – People Do and all you anti-God idiots out there with your separation of Church and State and promotion of VIOLENT games for kids are to blame.

    • http://twitter.com/hamybear Michael Hampton

      So you don’t blame parents who BUY those violent games for their kids? Really?

    • Timothy Noonan

      Guns make it so much easier for us anti-god idiots to project our innate evil unto thy kingdom of god.

      The only violence a person who plays video games will do someday is deliver a hellfire from a USAF Predator.

      • http://www.facebook.com/jtwa1366 Jimmy Alton

        If your a parent of a kid that plays video games, maybe go police them from afar while they play.
        Listen to them, go in at random times and check there chat in online games, check out the posts they make on game forums.
        See if you think they don’t have a violent, disrespectful, uncaring, attitude toward life, other people. Your kidding yourself if you don’t think they are, all parents should do this.
        I play online games (one being World of Warcraft) and get sick at some of the things I see the kids talk about on there. Cursing, bashing god (wouldn’t believe how many kids do this), rape, sex, violence against people, and a few time’s threats. I believe they do it because there parents don’t care, and they know they can get away with it because the parents use the game as a babysitter in a way to avoid them.

        Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying all parents, but you all should go police them every so often. Scroll there chat log up and see what there saying, listen to them if they use voice chat. Yea they might get mad if you do, but they wouldn’t if they didn’t have something to hide.

        Now since I got off track, James M games can cause violence in some ways, not saying mass murder, but violence of any kind can lead to more.

        • Timothy Noonan

          My kids are of the same age that were killed at Sandy Hook and not into the Halo games yet. When they do, they will fully understand the difference between a game reality.

          I know, first hand, the duality of people of faith. During DESERT STORM while in the Navy, I never saw so many folks walk around on the boat with their bibles with numerous highlighted passages. I did not really understand it, but if they found comfort, so be it. A fella in my division was one of those guys and would attend service daily, during his work hours. That was fine since it was allowed. However, after service, often we could not find him after service to do the work that needed to be done. Well we found where he wen to after service, to another division to watch porn. I don’t care that he watched it, more us do than don’t. The duality comes when claim to be a holy roller and getting right with Jesus, don’t, with your bible in hand, sit and watch porn while your shipmates need you.

          Yes video games are violent. So was Bugs Bunny, Woody Woodpecker, and Rocky and Bullwinkle but I am not blowing people up. I was a teen in the 80s and the music of the day was malign for being devil worship, today Ozzy’s music are used in commercials and he was had a reality show. And folks are not biting the heads off of bats.

          My wife and I will set the tone with our kids, not some religion or god, no matter what games they play.

      • qualityrkc

        Couldn’t agree more. Also one would have to have some big issues to not be able to differentiate between a video game and real life. Also in video gvames you are almost always the good guy fighti8ng evil.

        • Timothy Noonan

          I am glad there are other practical folks out there!!

        • Timothy Noonan

          I am glad there are other practical folks out there!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/pjcitro Paul J. Citro

    When you take GOD out of the equation this is what your left with.

  • Craig Clark

    I think when the history of American is written in the future the phrase ” and stil they did not repent and turn to God” will be used a lot.

  • Thought Criminal #1

    When my father was a kid he and his friends put their rifles in their lockers to go shooting after school. They talked freely about God in school. Nobody shot up the schools. Now, there are no guns allowed in schools, God is persona non grata and we have kids shooting up schools. This culture is rotting from the inside out and no amount of totalitarian control will cure it.

    • http://twitter.com/hamybear Michael Hampton

      I know! In those days you could punch a woman in the face in public and people would just assume she was asking for it. Remember? Now they call the police.

      • BeeKaaay

        Now we slice babies from limb to limb and say they ask for it. Our culture has certainly improved.

        • http://twitter.com/hamybear Michael Hampton

          I don’t think anyone would say that aborted babies are “asking for it” To suggest such is disingenuous at best.

    • goldwater89

      Wow, you REALLY need to do some research. There have ALWAYS been school shootings, going back to the 1800s.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_shootings_in_the_United_States

      In 1927, 38 children were killed at a Michigan elementary school.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster

      In 1966, Charles Whitman shot and killed 16 students at the University of Texas.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Whitman

      • CherDash

        In Bath, Michigan, the guy bludgeoned his wife to death and blew up the school. He only shot his gun once, to detonate the truck he was in to commit suicide. No guns were used on his wife or the children.

  • GR

    What Mike Huckabee said was the absolute TRUTH! The hateful and vile tweets represent the very people and reasoning behind the removal of any mention of God and His Word from public schools! Little do they care that the Bible was the very first textbook used in American schools! Ignorance is NOT bliss, it is very much to blame!

    • Michael Hampton

      Um…kids can pray any time they want to. They can pray in the middle of class if they want. The school just can’t force all students to do it together.

    • v1cious

      What part of “Separation of Church and State” do you guys not understand? Even Reagan was for it.

      • GR

        Quote where “separation of church and state” is in the Constitution of the USA! It is NOT there! The First Amendment protects the CHURCH from the STATE! NOT the other way around! Study before you sound off on something you know nothing about! :”Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof…”
        — The First Amendment

        • J.N. Ashby

          “”Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion”
          That rather implies, or almost explicitly states, that that relationship is reciprocal.

          • GR

            Actually, it does NOT!The government shall NOT interfere with the free exercise of religion! Congress shall make NO laws regarding religion AT ALL!!!

  • Joe W.

    Huckabee is a minister, and he is exactly correct. We are raising a generation of atheists with the morals of alley cats. NO principles…NO humility…NO morality…NO integrity…NO respect for life….all resulting in the shameful condition we find in Amerika today. And the dead fish rots from the head down. Just look in the White House. As the Bible says, “Ye reap as ye sow”….pretty simple, really.

    • http://twitter.com/hamybear Michael Hampton

      I also blame parents for ignoring their children and allowing them to be raised by television and internet. This is the laziest generation of parents ever. They don’t pay any attention to their kids. I see it all the time. Two women were at lunch the other day and they took up 3 tables for just the two of them and their two children so that their children could run around the tables screaming while the two women ignored them. Parent your children. Stop expecting the government or the schools to do it for you.

      • Jeff

        I’m an athiest but I have morals it’s unfair to lump as all together as one group. Also, a huge amount of serial killers have been very religious how do you explain that?

        • http://twitter.com/hamybear Michael Hampton

          I don’t believe that I mentioned religion in my post. I was mostly concerned about parents taking the easy road out and forcing the government to raise their children for them.

          • Jeff

            sorry Mike didn’t mean to respond to you directly, but the post above you. I agree with you, it’s the parents.

          • Jeff

            sorry Mike didn’t mean to respond to you directly, but the post above you. I agree with you, it’s the parents.

  • http://twitter.com/hamybear Michael Hampton

    How is what Huckabee said any different from what Ms. Phelps said? They both said that God decided to murder those kids because kids weren’t being forced to pray in school. Please stop trying to distance yourself from Westboro while saying the exact same thing.

  • Lovelives

    I am normally not a fan of Mr. Huckabee but what he said on Fox after it happened was so appropriate so right. Saturday I will tune into Huckabee to hear him. I need to make sense of this. I feel like this has become a political battle, that unfortunately I have gotten into.

    • v1cious

      You make sense of this by believing lack of prayer killed children?

      • BeeKaaay

        A lack of morality killed children. It always does.

        • Jeff

          then blame the parents not the lack of God. I really take offense to this argument as an athiest who still knows right from wrong because my parents did a great job raising me.

      • Lovelives

        No, I think God has been removed from all public forums including schools. God didn’t do this a human did, we removed God, So don’t blame him now. We have created a world with no respect for life, no consequences and everything and everyone is equal, created by a hollywood reality show.

  • goldwater89

    What an incredibly stupid thing to say. I hope FOX fires him.

  • Janna

    We have a sin problem. We’ve turned our backs on God, on Jesus Christ. Mr. Huckabee is right on the money. This is a prime example of the depravity man is capable of.

  • $38218625

    You only catch FLAK when you’re over the target.

    The Oppressive-left would like you to believe that this massacre was caused by inanimate objects and that simply ridding ourselves of the right of self-defense, we can rid ourselves of this supposed menace.

    Let’s look at the facts: Firearms have been around for a few hundred years.

    Repeating firearms have been in existence for at least 160 years.

    These types of arms had been easily available in the early part of the last century – including select-fire, automatic firearms until they were heavily regulated to the point of being banned in the 1930’s

    During that time period 160. 100… 80 years ago there weren’t horrific massacres akin to what has happened in contemporary times.

    So what HAS changed in the past few years?

    It hasn’t been the availability of guns – that has gone down in recent times as compared to the past.

    Guns are inanimate objects that have been more readily available in the past than now – so you can’t use the cop-out of blaming them.

    There has to be a different reason – a reason the Left doesn’t want to talk about in their headlong rush to deprive the innocent of their means of self-defense.

    The Left won’t want to talk about it because it points to their culpability in these massacres.

    • BeeKaaay

      Up to 1934, you could buy a machine gun (and ammunition) by mail order without any sort of identification, or even providing your real name. How many school massacres were around up to 1934?

      ZERO.

      • $38218625

        Yes, that is exactly my point – those mass shootings are a recent development – so if it’s not the inanimate objects that are new, why are we witnessing these tragedies?

        Could it be the cultural rot from the left we’ve been inundated the past few years?

        Could it be a culture of ‘if it makes you feel good’ and instant gratification?

      • qualityrkc

        Haha history fail. Worst school shooting in us history to this date occurred in bath michigan in 1927. Don’t you people even know how to use google or are you content with just saying what feels good?

        • CherDash

          Bath was a man who bludgeoned his wife to death and blew up the school. The only shot he fired was to detonate his truck to commit suicide. No guns used for the wife, the children, nor himself (directly).

  • Just Hugh in Ga

    If this is not so , then tell me why since God was told to get out by the scotus by every measure our schools have nosed dived?

    • nc

      Ding Ding Ding!

  • joelgol

    I doubt Adam Lanza committed murder because there was no prayer in school. Huckabee is a theocratic progressive.

  • BeeKaaay

    Huck is right. When the one who says “THOU SHALT NOT MURDER” is removed from the schools, then wackjobs see that murder is OK.

    • Jeff

      It’s still illegal and immoral to murder someone. Anyone should be taught that at a very young age it doesn’t matter if it comes from a book or from your parents.

  • TonyMontana3

    So it’s ok for conservatives to politicize this tragedy? Hypocrites.

    • BeeKaaay

      I don’t see you railing against leftwingwackos who do.

      Plenty of examples abound. Go on, start railing against leftwingwackos who politicize this tragedy.

    • Hello Jerry (D)

      But it’s okay for your fellow liberals to.

    • Gary Rudick

      That’s non-sensical hogwash, God is NOT a political figure!

  • http://www.cosmicgirl.net/ Cosmic Girl

    Some food for thought about why the left spews vile filth from their mouths when someone like Huckabee weighs in on an issue:

    If the world hates you, remember that it hated Me first. If you were of the world, the world would love you as its own; but because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you. [John 15:18-19]

    Do not be surprised, my brothers, if the world hates you. [1 John 3:13]

    I have given them Your word and the world has hated them, for they are not of the world any more than I am of the world. [John 17:14]

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1155093318 Angela Chaney Barribeau

    I don’t think it’s *just* the removal of God from our schools… it’s the removal of GOD in our CULTURE!!! The liberals are so two-faced… they don’t want God in their schools or government, but when they have a *need*, whether it’s a tragedy and they TURN to God and have services held in CHURCHES, or whether they need to use the church’s space for VOTING?! Then they’re just fine with USING God and churches, but when it boils down to believing in what this country was founded on and basing our lives and decisions on God’s moral truths and commandments, well they they want nothing to do with God. God commands us to be either hot or cold, not lukewarm. This nation needs to get off the fence.

  • sparty33563

    When we began removing God from our schools, we also began removing the hedge of protection that He provides as well. It was not God that had anything to do with this, but satan. How long do we think that we should continue to receive the amazing blessings that this nation has received when we continually turn our backs to Him and remove God from every aspect of this politcally correct society? When Job had his hedge of protection removed how did that go for him? When Esau gave up his birthright for some food to Jacob it did not take long for his blessings to disappear as well. Our forefathers believed that our birthright was our freedom and now many in this country will trade food stamps for that very freedom. As a country, when given the free will of choice of keeping God in things we are continually kicking him out.
    When we took God out of the schools, why would we expect Him to be there to protect the children inside. We can only thumb our noses at God for so long before He takes the hedges of protection and blessings away from this nation and the people in it.

    • Jeff

      Our founding fathers actually came to this country to escape religious persecution. Don’t you think that if God didn’t agree with this America would have never become the great nation that it is? Wouldn’t he have punished the protestants and rewarded the European catholics who stayed completely devout?

  • sparty33563

    When we began removing God from our schools, we also began removing the hedge of protection that He provides as well. It was not God that had anything to do with this, but satan. How long do we think that we should continue to receive the amazing blessings that this nation has received when we continually turn our backs to Him and remove God from every aspect of this politcally correct society? When Job had his hedge of protection removed how did that go for him? When Esau gave up his birthright for some food to Jacob it did not take long for his blessings to disappear as well. Our forefathers believed that our birthright was our freedom and now many in this country will trade food stamps for that very freedom. As a country, when given the free will of choice of keeping God in things we are continually kicking him out.
    When we took God out of the schools, why would we expect Him to be there to protect the children inside. We can only thumb our noses at God for so long before He takes the hedges of protection and blessings away from this nation and the people in it.

  • BeeKaaay

    When Good is removed from someplace, EVIL will fill the void.

    This is something leftwingwackos CAN NEVER UNDERSTAND.

  • [email protected]

    not being a religious person, I still have to agree with Mike Huckabee, every thing we do or our government does for us has consequences, whether they be good or bad there is still a consequence. I grew up in the 80’s when it was still OK to get disciplined by my parents or by teachers if needed. Self-esteem wasn’t an issue, if you did something good you got rewarded, if you did something bad you got punished accordingly. We didn’t get medals for losing a game, we got medals for winning a game. We didn’t get a reward for being pestilent, we got paddled. All that has been taken away by progressive or liberal thinkers. This is the consequence of a group of people whose idea of fair. No morals involved just do what you want and we will reward you for it. Parents do not discipline your children, you might hurt their self-esteem. Don’t do good in school, no worries we’ll just move you on to the next grade so you can be a problem for some one else. Mike said it differently but god was still in my school along with other social guide lines. All this is gone from our schools now, and look at the results. Now these same progressives and liberals are trying to treat the symptom instead of treating the cause. in the simplest terms, you don’t get rid of a weed by pulling of the leaves you get rid of it by pulling it out by the roots. Guns are not the cause, Social miscues that have been integrated into our schools and other parts of our lives is the cause

  • Guest

    Actually that is not what Huckabee stated. He mentioned that it just doesn’t help the morals of society to take God out of schools and out of the public. Go and watch the video clip.

  • joelgol

    Huckabee is what is wrong with the perception of the Republican Party. he could not or would not convince Todd Akin to withdraw from the Senate race.

  • Red Fred

    Certainly a message to consider. The responses in the tweets are just so disrespectful that it’s mind-boggling. I’m seeing a drastic change all around; Festivus parties replacing Christmas celebrations, and overall a downgrade to our society as a whole,

  • detroit19

    NEVER stop speaking out against evil Gov. Huckabee; you couldn’t be more correct in your thinking. Don’t like/believe in God and/or religion? Then, work to cure the moral decay that has infected our society for 40+ years.

  • http://twitter.com/kaecie76 kaecie_berry

    I agree with Huckabee… God’s been removed not just from schools, but everywhere… that’s why there’s so much evil in the world now… GOD bless everyone…

  • fmahoney

    The problem is not religious freedom. More people have died on behalf of religion then all the world wars added up. The inquisition was a very dark period in christian history. Maybe if we had more priest they would have been molested instead of dead, I wonder which is worse??? Guns! Guns! make it easy to kill lots of people. NRA should take some responsibility, it’s all about the mighty dollar and freedom of choice to buy unlimited amount of guns!

    Chicken are coming home to roost and it’s painful and sad!!!

    You love your guns well these guns make it easy to kill in volume. A man in china tried the same stunt with a sword nobody died! What would have happened if this was a semi auto magic gun with a 100 round magazine?

    Maybe we should all have grenades to protect our families or maybe small nuclear bombs? this is mass killing people it’s much too easy

    • Jeff

      I agree completely. If how devout we are is a direct indicator of how moral we are, why did the dark ages ever happen? That was the most religious time ever, yet probably the worst time to ever live. They called it the renaissance because it truly was a rebirth.

    • BeeKaaay

      200 million killed in the 20th century ALONE by atheists. 21st century has begun and the slaughter still continues. Want the numbers for the 19th century? 18th Century? That French revolution was pretty bloody.

      Sorry, we Christians can’t ever beat that record, even over 2,000 years of history. Even with 4,000 years of Jewish history added to that number. And even if we add 2,000 years in the future.

      Sorry, we are not as good as atheists at being bloodthirsty.

      So you win. You guys are the best at this.

  • http://twitter.com/WilloughbyAnnie Annie Willoughby

    Look around,listen to the vile, unashamed hate in Liberal speech. The Devil is working overtime and they are his willing tools. I’m repulsed but encouraged because I know how the story ends.

  • http://twitter.com/WilloughbyAnnie Annie Willoughby

    Look around,listen to the vile, unashamed hate in Liberal speech. The Devil is working overtime and they are his willing tools. I’m repulsed but encouraged because I know how the story ends.

  • http://www.facebook.com/karen.linneman.1 Karen Linneman

    I remember saying the pledge of aligence when i was a kid. and i do not recall so many crazy school shootings as we have now. i believe Mike Huckabee means no harm in what he is saying. it is a damn shame god isnt aloud in our schools anymore. kids are screwed up because parents (some) have no self respect or morals. so maybe yes, we need to start saying the pledge at school again. and keep our guns. good day haters.

  • lana ward

    Gov. Huckabee is right. He’s always right. How could God help when he’s not allowed. America is just about Godless. How is it working out???

  • Jeff

    What I don’t understand is how can you explain the fact that so many serial killers and murderers are actually pretty religious people. Most of the time they were raised in a strict religious upbringing. there are several that have quoted teh bible or told people that it was God that told them to do this. This is scary to me. I’m an athiest and I know that I shouldn’t kill people because my parents did a great job raising me. They were both religious growing up and gave me a choice on whether or not I wanted to go to church. I did think to myself recently, maybe these crimes wouldn’t occur as much if people did fear God and the Devil and Hell but I don’t know if that would change anything. I bet a lot of these people think they are going straight to heaven right after they kill themselves.

  • Jeff

    Also if the rise of violence is due to us eliminating God from our schools why is it that during the dark ages, when peopel were so religious and the catholic church ruled the world, it was one of the worst times to live? They call it the dark ages for a reason.

    • BeeKaaay

      They called it the dark ages because Visigoths, barbarians and thugs toppled secular governments all of the place. There was no working secular government during that period.

      The Catholic Church basically was the only functioning government at the time and basically had to take action and reduce the anarchy and chaos.

      But hey, barbarians and thugs raping and pillaging is considered superior to having the Catholic Church run things. That’s what anti-Catholic bigots believe.

  • Lady 12

    Has anybody here heard of Redwall? It’s a teen fiction series written by the late Brian Jacques. The first book is about someone searching for a special sword to help him defeat a bad guy. After he finds the sword, someone very wise inspects it and says something along the lines of, “It’s a magnificent sword, but it’s just a sword. What makes it so good or so bad is the one who wields it.” Same applies to guns. Guns are only as good or as bad as their wielder. Banning them won’t change anything.

  • JustLikeAnimals

    Personally, I believe God was there last Friday. Surely he was weeping at the sight, screams, and pain of the terror wrought in those classrooms by a man of His own creation, knowing that this, too, is the by-product of free will. But unlike most of us, God knew the pain, terror, and sadness was only temporal and that those 26 souls, and most especially those 20 innocent angels among them, we coming to be with Him, in a far more peaceful and nurturing place. Be reassured they are all removed from the agony of that day, and from the rest of the pain and agony that they would have endured in their lives had they remained with us on this tormented Earth. While their parents, siblings, relatives, and friends endure the pain of losing them they are, indeed, the lucky ones, to been taken from this decaying earthly existence.

    Rest in peace, sweet angels, and rejoice in your homecoming to God. We will see you all again someday.

  • Ben Ulferd

    So we can’t touch the 2nd amendment because that would be trampling on the Constitution, but the 1st amendment and the seperation of church and state should be changed? Typical repub hypocrites, always trying to piss on the Consititution and our forefathers wisdom. It’s a slippery slope, the 1st amendment and next thing you know the crazy right will take away all our rights as citizens.