Reason magazine’s Peter Suderman destroys the Left’s irrational Walmart criticism

Peter Suderman, senior editor at Reason magazine, appeared on MSNBC this morning to discuss Black Friday’s failed walkout of Walmart employees. He followed up his hit on “Up with Chris Hayes” with a series of tweets that demolish the Left’s argument that increasing Walmart workers’ wages would be a boon to low-income employees.

In fact, Walmart’s business practices benefit the poor by increasing access to affordable goods and the jobs needed to afford those goods. Suderman’s explanation is an absolute must-read.

Of course, as Slate’s Matt Yglesias demonstrates, the Left’s anti-Walmart crusade isn’t really about helping low-income workers. It’s all about class warfare and eating the rich.

There are plenty of valid reasons to criticize Walmart, but the Left’s not interested in those.

  • disqus_yns7LDdZnB

    A dollar an hour more. Boy, that should help them spruce up the gilded cage…

    http://www.facebook.com/WereWatchingGOP

    • Hiraghm

      Hm. for me that’d be an almost 12% raise.
      I’d rather work and earn that dollar an hour raise because my store is making more money.

  • disqus_yns7LDdZnB

    A dollar an hour more. Boy, that should help them spruce up the gilded cage…

    http://www.facebook.com/WereWatchingGOP

  • waltermitty2012

    If someone wanted to earn another dollar an hour more, go find a better job somewhere else. I know that’s difficult with Obama as president.

  • waltermitty2012

    If someone wanted to earn another dollar an hour more, go find a better job somewhere else. I know that’s difficult with Obama as president.

  • orringtonmom (D)

    sorry, too logical.

  • orringtonmom (D)

    sorry, too logical.

  • carla5731

    Poor, sad, Matt Yglesias. He’s the same “genius” who believes that you can’t have property ownership without government.

    http://twitchy.com/2012/09/18/matt-yglesias-ownership-is-a-myth-property-belongs-to-the-state/

    • TomJB

      So sad that some believe a debate point can be made by claiming that if someone is wrong about 1 thing then they must necessarily be wrong about everything. #logicfail

      • carla5731

        The failure is your lack of ability to defend Matt Yglesias on either point. He’s still 0-2 in my book.

        • TomJB

          Ill keep my #logicfail and add #debateishard. I was never taking the position of defending Yglesias on any point. You tore up the main article and used only the fact that Yglesias agrees with it as proof that is is wrong. I was pointing out your complete inability to argue with logic as you displayed none.

          • Teresa Davis McCormick

            ok dude..um… your statement for real did not make sense.

  • carla5731

    Poor, sad, Matt Yglesias. He’s the same “genius” who believes that you can’t have property ownership without government.

    http://twitchy.com/2012/09/18/matt-yglesias-ownership-is-a-myth-property-belongs-to-the-state/

  • trinket509

    I would say the left’s crusade is, in large part, about enlarging union coffers. The eat-the-rich meme is to get the mob to support the protests.

    • JustLikeAnimals

      Agree. Some union exec pulled out a calculator and went 1,400,000 employees X $25 per paycheck = big cash every two weeks for union boss houses, cars, trips, yachts, mistresses, and vote-buying.

      • Elaine

        Don’t forget what OBAMA “OWES” them, too.

      • Elaine

        Don’t forget what OBAMA “OWES” them, too.

    • detroit19

      They could just shut down Walmart, ala Hostess, and not sure why they don’t. Hmmm. maybe they care about their customers and the people they employ? SO tired of unions; good idea when they started, now just a cash cow… for unions, NOT the people they (supposedly) represent.

    • detroit19

      They could just shut down Walmart, ala Hostess, and not sure why they don’t. Hmmm. maybe they care about their customers and the people they employ? SO tired of unions; good idea when they started, now just a cash cow… for unions, NOT the people they (supposedly) represent.

    • Lynelle Hullsiek

      That’s all it is. They can’t stand the ppl who work or shop at Walmart.

  • trinket509

    I would say the left’s crusade is, in large part, about enlarging union coffers. The eat-the-rich meme is to get the mob to support the protests.

  • BeeKaaay

    And if the leftwingwackos did not make official US Government policy that all manufacturing jobs are to go to China, we would not have so many workers in Walmart – they would be earning double their wages in a factory making things.

    But noooooooo. Official government policy is All manufacturing is to be done in China. Thanks to Bubba in 1996 making China “most favored nation” status and subsequent actions by the federal government.

    • salvagesalvage

      What did President Bush do about that?

      What did Bane under Romney do about that?

      Oh, right, nothing.

      So not just “leftwingwakos” huh?

      • http://twitter.com/thetugboatphil TugboatPhil

        How exactly would a venture capital firm change US policy? You also forgot to mention Halliburton in your unintelligible post. Can’t you remember all the entities that you hate?

        • salvagesalvage

          Um… did you notice the bit where I said Bush? I was referring to the President who for 8 years did what about China and trade?

          My post was pretty straight forward but I guess not enough for you, sometimes thinking is hard for some.

          I will try again and put it as simply as possible:

          Bush continued Clinton’s trad policies with China and no one on the right wing made any sort of complaint. Not even when Bush apologized to China for an USAF plane being forced down and the crew take prisoner.

          Remember that? The reason why Bush was diplomatic was in part trade.

          As for Bane they didn’t change US policy they enjoyed it by selling American jobs to China, I doubt they would want to change a word of it.

          • BeeKaaay

            That’s because Marxists took over both political parties many years ago.

          • salvagesalvage

            You are a very silly person.

          • Teresa Davis McCormick

            you need to stop.

          • BeeKaaay

            That’s because Marxists took over both political parties many years ago.

          • Michael Rice

            Actually, I complained a lot about Bush. I wasn’t called racist for doing ti, either. I also won’t be caught saying, well liberals did it so we can too..

          • Ken Alan Draper

            You’d think Liberals would have loved Bush, he enacted most of their agenda. just goes to show that the only think they look at is the D behind a pols name.

          • salvagesalvage

            Ah, yes, the I complained about Bush wingnut gibber, strange how these complaints were never heard when he was President. Back then wingnuts just cheered and cheered and called anyone who didn’t a traitor.

            Dixie Chicks are a good example of this.

            And just like with Romeny, a few weeks ago he war Reagan Jr. and now he’s Scar in the last scene of the Lion King.

          • salvagesalvage

            Ah, yes, the I complained about Bush wingnut gibber, strange how these complaints were never heard when he was President. Back then wingnuts just cheered and cheered and called anyone who didn’t a traitor.

            Dixie Chicks are a good example of this.

            And just like with Romeny, a few weeks ago he war Reagan Jr. and now he’s Scar in the last scene of the Lion King.

          • Teresa Davis McCormick

            hey, Obama has been pres. for 4 years. What did he do? tell me.

          • http://pennyrobinsonfanclub.net/ PennyRobinsonFanClub

            Yeah and it was Carter who sold out Taiwan to begin with.

          • salvagesalvage

            Yeah, Jimmy should have invade China, that would have solved EVERYTHING!

          • http://pennyrobinsonfanclub.net/ PennyRobinsonFanClub

            Don’t be an ass. I said nothing like that.

          • salvagesalvage

            So Carter should have what then?

          • Teresa Davis McCormick

            stayed on the peanut plantation?

          • salvagesalvage

            Yeah, Jimmy should have invade China, that would have solved EVERYTHING!

          • Ken Alan Draper

            Maybe more people would take you seriously if you could get your story straight. the Plane that wong wei collided with was a U.S. Navy EP-3 Aries, not an air force aircraft, Bain capital while Romney ran it saved manufacturing Jobs Domestically, it was only after Romney left to take up politics that the people who took over outsourced jobs. stick the Obama talking points where the sun don’t shine.

          • salvagesalvage

            HAHAHAH! Oh, so Bush apologize for the Chinese downing a Navy plane, well that changes everything!

            Imagine if it happened under Obama and he apologized? Oh the wingnut howls would be ear splitting!

            No, Romney saved no jobs, it’s cute how wingnuts declare that Bane only did bad things after Romney left, which he didn’t but anyway.

          • salvagesalvage

            HAHAHAH! Oh, so Bush apologize for the Chinese downing a Navy plane, well that changes everything!

            Imagine if it happened under Obama and he apologized? Oh the wingnut howls would be ear splitting!

            No, Romney saved no jobs, it’s cute how wingnuts declare that Bane only did bad things after Romney left, which he didn’t but anyway.

          • http://www.facebook.com/lisa.dean.564 Lisa Dean

            Could you reference Clinton’s establishment of NAFTA and how well that worked out for our job industry.

          • salvagesalvage

            Sent a bunch of jobs to Mexico, did some positive stuff with Canadian trade but on the whole profited larger corporations.

        • salvagesalvage

          Um… did you notice the bit where I said Bush? I was referring to the President who for 8 years did what about China and trade?

          My post was pretty straight forward but I guess not enough for you, sometimes thinking is hard for some.

          I will try again and put it as simply as possible:

          Bush continued Clinton’s trad policies with China and no one on the right wing made any sort of complaint. Not even when Bush apologized to China for an USAF plane being forced down and the crew take prisoner.

          Remember that? The reason why Bush was diplomatic was in part trade.

          As for Bane they didn’t change US policy they enjoyed it by selling American jobs to China, I doubt they would want to change a word of it.

      • Hiraghm

        Right… he should have said “progressives”. Which is *effectively* the same thing.

        • salvagesalvage

          Sure, still doesn’t change the fact that the conservative right supported Bush’s continuation of Clinton’s trade policies.

          • Michael Rice

            I didn’t and ti doesn’t change the fac that wrong is wrong…you are justifying Obama doing something you whined about Buish doing, because Bush did it…brilliant I tell ya..

          • Teresa Davis McCormick

            and obama is continuing what? come on…….let’s hear it. So tired of people blaming everyone else for what’s going on here. Obama has been in the WH with his cronies and his czars with his hand up the media’s asses for 4 years!!. Tell me something Obama has done for anyone. I want to know. Seriously. Tell me.

          • salvagesalvage
          • Teresa Davis McCormick

            OMIGOSH. I literally almost just laughed til i peed myself.

            they were all very impressive and not very detailed like *Obama has invested in clean energy and * Obama has done a lot for veterans. who made this list??? 3rd graders?? rofl.

            Everyone you have to see this it is a knee slapper!!

          • salvagesalvage

            So you have similar problems with your bladder as you do reading comprehension? That must make things very difficult for the poor souls who have to look after you.

            At any rate if you could get them to click on this link or guide you to it:

            http://obamaachievements.org/list

            It has a detailed breakdown but there are more words, some of them longer than your used to so again, you might need some help.

          • Teresa Davis McCormick

            does it talk about all the money he’s thrown to his friends to use as toilet paper. You know the “clean” energy cronies. LOL sorry I’m still laughing. And thanks for concern for my bladder. You’re a real giver. LOL keep quoting other shit. It’s a laugh riot.

          • salvagesalvage
        • salvagesalvage

          Sure, still doesn’t change the fact that the conservative right supported Bush’s continuation of Clinton’s trade policies.

        • BeeKaaay

          How is taking us back to 1917 Russia “PROGRESS”? I won’t call them “progressives”

        • BeeKaaay

          How is taking us back to 1917 Russia “PROGRESS”? I won’t call them “progressives”

      • BeeKaaay

        You mean the RINOpublican party, which Marxists have taken over, will actually do something about this?

        You got a great sense of humor!

        • salvagesalvage

          Yeah, you don’t know what a Marxist is if you think that anyone who has had any significant power in America has ever been one.

          • Teresa Davis McCormick

            Marx·ism /ˈmɑɚkˌsɪzəm/ noun

            [noncount] :
            the political, economic, and social theories of Karl Marx including the
            belief that the struggle between social classes is a major force in
            history and that there should eventually be a society in which there are
            no classes

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUfo-RxkXA8&feature=related

          • salvagesalvage

            Yes, that is Marxism, now what has Obama done to advance that? No, making rich people pay taxes isn’t socialism, try again.

          • Teresa Davis McCormick

            k, well maybe watch it again…or i know shut your eyes so that your undying love for the enchanted one doesn’t deter you from hearing and using your brain.

          • salvagesalvage

            Yeah, you should probably understand Marxism before you scream about Obama doing it because it makes you look like you just yell stuff without thinking.

          • salvagesalvage

            Yes, that is Marxism, now what has Obama done to advance that? No, making rich people pay taxes isn’t socialism, try again.

      • BeeKaaay

        You mean the RINOpublican party, which Marxists have taken over, will actually do something about this?

        You got a great sense of humor!

      • Michael Rice

        Seriously, Bush is gone, long gone, move one . and ROmney? RIght he gave the one eprson cancer and kill theri spuose decade after he lef this job…He isn’t President either.
        Basicially, what you are doing is saying ti’s ok for Barry to do this stuff because Bush did it…guess what…I wasn’t a big Bush guy either. THat’s our difference…You see nothing but party lines..Bush did nothign so barry can do nothing too…that’s brilliant.
        I thought Barry was the savior…going to lower unemployment cut the defecit…blah blah..

      • Teresa Davis McCormick

        how exactly would Bush or Romney handle what’s going right now? Are you serious? Well since they aren’t our President, I guess they would do what? An intelligent man goes on the television and twitter to explain the truth about Wal mart and you want to ask what Bush or Romney are going to do about it? I can’t even begin to comprehend your level of stupidity. I will pray for you.

        • salvagesalvage

          They would cut taxes for their rich buddies, start a fresh losing war in Iran, cut regulations and then yell about gays ruining marriages.

          • Teresa Davis McCormick

            Damn I feel like a freaking teacher on here. Listen closely please.
            My point was: Why do we care about someone’s views, who isn’t sitting in the Oval office, about the problems with the economy? I thought we were going to move Forward.

          • salvagesalvage

            Oh was that your point? It was so clearly states I feel foolish for even trying to extrapolate one.

          • Teresa Davis McCormick

            stated* It’s ok, I’m used to educating people with little or no attention spans, I’ve raised 5 children and they are a little tricky when they were under 5 years old.

        • salvagesalvage

          They would cut taxes for their rich buddies, start a fresh losing war in Iran, cut regulations and then yell about gays ruining marriages.

      • GaryTheBrave

        Neither did George Soros. He’s wealthy enough. Why doesn’t he give any of it to WallyWorld employees?

    • salvagesalvage

      What did President Bush do about that?

      What did Bane under Romney do about that?

      Oh, right, nothing.

      So not just “leftwingwakos” huh?

  • BeeKaaay

    And if the leftwingwackos did not make official US Government policy that all manufacturing jobs are to go to China, we would not have so many workers in Walmart – they would be earning double their wages in a factory making things.

    But noooooooo. Official government policy is All manufacturing is to be done in China. Thanks to Bubba in 1996 making China “most favored nation” status and subsequent actions by the federal government.

  • http://Twitter.com/jkerrysforehead John Kerry’s Forehead

    If Wal Mart is so bad and evil, why do so many shop and work there?

    • salvagesalvage

      Because they need jobs, it’s that situation that Walmart exploits by paying poverty wages. If you shop at Walmart the money you save is essentially taken from the people that work there.

      And that’s pretty bad but it’s nothing compared to what goes on in China where a great deal of Walmart’s products are made.

      It’s funny how Reason and the right-wing conveniently forget how much they hate communism when it comes to Walmart’s low prices.

      • TomJB

        Poverty wages? Right. What passes as poverty in the US is a joke: cell phones, cars, indoor plumbing, washers and dryers, big flat screen TVs, etc and still qualify as “poor.”. Try visiting India, Philippines, Bangladesh and then claim an $11 wage is poverty

        • http://twitter.com/hamybear Michael Hampton

          Have you ever heard of “indentured servitude”? You might want to look it up. See, the people who work at Walmart also shop there. They spend a large portion of their income at that same store. So they have to keep working there to pay off their debt.

          • Hiraghm

            YOU might want to look it up. One sells oneself into slavery in order to pay a debt. It’s *voluntary* slavery to begin with.

            I don’t owe Wal-mart anything; they can fire me at any time, but I can QUIT anytime. I shop there because it’s convenient and, oh yeah, cheap, especially after my employee discount.
            I sell my labor and skills at a price I feel is equitable to the work I’m asked to do. They pay me for my labor and skill what they are worth to the company. It’s trading value for value. There are no victims there.

          • http://www.facebook.com/lisa.dean.564 Lisa Dean

            Ah, the wonderful world of capitalism. It’s a beautiful thing when people don’t arm chair quarterback it.

          • http://twitter.com/TheAngieNC2 Angie (D)

            I’ve heard of indentured servitude — you obviously haven’t because indentured servitude means you do not have the LIBERTY to quit your employment.

            Geez, you really are stupid — no wonder you support Obama.

          • http://twitter.com/TheAngieNC2 Angie (D)

            I’ve heard of indentured servitude — you obviously haven’t because indentured servitude means you do not have the LIBERTY to quit your employment.

            Geez, you really are stupid — no wonder you support Obama.

          • Catchance

            Ummm… you must be thinking of the “Company Store”, as in “I owe my soul to the Company Store”. These people haven’t indentured themselves, you moron; they shop there because the prices are lower than anywhere else.

          • Catchance

            Ummm… you must be thinking of the “Company Store”, as in “I owe my soul to the Company Store”. These people haven’t indentured themselves, you moron; they shop there because the prices are lower than anywhere else.

          • Teresa Davis McCormick

            that’s the craziest shit i ever heard.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002109532283 Jillane Kent

            They are not required to shop there, nor are they barred from leaving if they do not wish to contract their labor any longer. One could easily ask if you know the meaning of indentured servitude, but we clearly know the answer based upon your comment alone.

        • salvagesalvage

          Ah, I see, so what you would like is an America that’s like the Third World?

          You’re not wrong, what we call poor and what poor really is is vastly different but that’s what makes the West better.

          At North America’s peak the average family could have one working parent and enough money for a home and the ability to send their kids to college.

          Without resorting to communism, with just plain old capitalism.

          Wouldn’t that be a good thing?

          • TomJB

            You sure you understood my post, salvage? What in God’s name led you to believe I want the poor in the US to be like the poor around the world. In fact, your 2nd sentence pretty much mirrors the point of my post. My problem is the government treats them as if they are “that poor” when the vast majority of them are not.

          • salvagesalvage

            So the government should what then?

          • salvagesalvage

            So the government should what then?

          • lcky9

            OK on that note NOTICE what these families didn’t do or have.. they didn’t have a television in every room.. they DIDN’T have individual phones they had a land line.,for the FAMILY,, each child didn’t have their own bedrooms.. they SHARED them..therefore could live in a smaller (cheaper) house.. EVERYONE didn’t have their own cars.. they had a FAMILY car..kids walked, rode buses. or bikes when they had to go somewhere.. NOT all your clothes were NEW most were hand me downs..go ahead and compare to WHY families can’t afford a lot of things now they use to during our prime.. its FAMILY GREED.. wastefulness., and plan jealousy of what their neighbor might have that they don’t and the fact these things come at a higher priority than EDUCATION.. MOM staying home.. give up some of this stuff and people could afford to pay for what they need rather than what they feel they deserve cause someone else has it..

          • salvagesalvage

            TVs and Phones, check out the prices on Kijiji and Craig’s list, they’re actually pretty cheap these days. Not buying a TV for $200 is probably not going to make much of a difference to the college fund.

            You also seem to know a lot about families that you don’t know, being poor actually sucks and most of them would like to stop. Not giving them help probably wouldn’t help.

            It’s so weird how right wing Americans are very keen on patriotism but hate so many of their own citizens.

          • lcky9

            firstly you seem to THINK you know me.. funny how the left always ASSUMES..so they consider themselves to be superior.. I was POOR.. and yes it SUCKED.. I am far from RICH however.. I do know those they consider POOR (well the government does at any rate) and they are FAR from that.. if that’s what passes for poor I was DIRT POOR.. AND I also see how they act and in talking how they think.,. many are friends, family andextended family.. I also see those that have less and have a better outlook at wanting to better themselves WITHOUT the help of the government..THOSE are the ones I help.. and I don’t do it by taking their dignity away.. I find it strange that those on the left think that taking care of someone from cradle to grave is HELPING them.. it’s making them SLAVES.. it’s sad that they are so dependent on government they can’t see beyond their immediate wants to know the joy of actually getting there on ones own.. I am FAR from rich but I remember where I came from.. and help those who are trying so hard to help themselves in anyway I can.. you can call names and try to diminish, dismiss etc what I say but it’s the truth.. don’t like it NOT my problem.. it’ s what the left does.. don’t help from the heart.. suppress with the foot..

        • salvagesalvage

          Ah, I see, so what you would like is an America that’s like the Third World?

          You’re not wrong, what we call poor and what poor really is is vastly different but that’s what makes the West better.

          At North America’s peak the average family could have one working parent and enough money for a home and the ability to send their kids to college.

          Without resorting to communism, with just plain old capitalism.

          Wouldn’t that be a good thing?

        • Michael Rice

          Funny how left wing and intelligence are oxymorons..

        • Lynelle Hullsiek

          We certainly won’t have to visit there soon. That’s exactly what O’s working toward for the U.S.

      • Catchance

        “Poverty wages”. Wow. You truly are clueless. The people who are getting paid your so-called “poverty” wages are the ones who are capable only of putting clothes on hangars or don’t want to work hard. The ones who are capable and want to work hard do work their way up to middle management positions and up at WalMart. When did this country become a nation of everyone-gets-the-same-pay-regardless-of-what -they-do? Oh, wait. When Obama was elected and promised to fundamentally change us… to socialism.

        • salvagesalvage

          Oh, so people who can’t do more than “put clothes on hangers” should be poor? Like they should be punished for not having whatever skill set you have that makes you a better person?

          And no one at Walmart works hard? You know this how?

          Yes! Only the best make management! That’s been your experience has it?

          And can you show me where Obama made that promise? So in the last 4 years America has become a socialist nation has it? Weird that no one has noticed.

          Are you sure you just don’t hate Obama and have no idea what his policies are or what he’s actually done? I think that’s the case because you call him a socialist yet he’s nothing of the sort. He’s pretty much the same as Clinton and Bush outside of Bush’s tax cuts for his richer buddies.

          But those are all facts, I get the vibe that sort of thing doesn’t hold much interest for you in how you shape opinions.

          • Michael Rice

            And people who can do more than that and chose to should not be punished for that…It was never said no one there works hard. It was said people who don’t advance do nto do so, because they are happy where they are at and don;’t want to…the opps are there to do it..

            Everyone has noticed, except liberals… Obama did promise to change a lot fot hings and never did.
            He is most absolutely a socilaist…big on welfars, big on food stamps, big on REDISTIBUTION OF WEALTH…
            Are you sure you just don’t hate consertvatives…?

          • salvagesalvage

            Yeah, I’m pretty good at wingnut gibberish but this is even too much for me, can you translate to English or the closest thing you can manage?

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002109532283 Jillane Kent

            Yet, you cannot construct a sentence without hyperbole and ad hominems.

          • salvagesalvage

            Yeah, I’m pretty good at wingnut gibberish but this is even too much for me, can you translate to English or the closest thing you can manage?

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002109532283 Jillane Kent

            People should be compensated based upon their talents, skills, and endeavor. In America, we have equality of opportunity. Only socialist countries attempt to equalize outcome. Guess what? All have failed miserably. While we’re referencing facts, can you tell the class which tax brackets receive the most benefit of the “Bush” (Obama owns them now for he could have rescinded them early in his first term) tax cuts? Hint-It is not the “rich”

          • salvagesalvage

            Sure, people should be and once again Obama is not making America socialist, can you point to any policy in the last four years that would do so?

            No, Obama care still has a free market insurance so it’s not socialized medicine.

            See wingnuts don’t look at policy, they just like to scream stuff so their hate doesn’t seem so mindless.

            It is of course but they think no one will notice.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002109532283 Jillane Kent

            The takeover of the student loan industry, the decimation of the energy sector, and the continued stake in GM don’t qualify as statist controls upon the means of production? Can you fathom that others have read more and can argue more cogently than yourself? I doubt you can.

          • salvagesalvage

            Yes, Stalin and Castro went after the student loans first and industry? Really?

            And no, the government is not demanding that GM start making Hugos. But yeah, it would have been better to let the auto industry collapse, that would have done tons of good!

            They’ve paid back some of the loan and eventually they’ll buy back the government stake, if you think that’s anything socialistic than you really don’t know what you’re talking about.

          • http://www.facebook.com/lisa.dean.564 Lisa Dean

            Are you referring to the payback from the restructured GM and Chrysler? Or the loans that were given to the “old” GM and Chrysler before they were ordered to restructure? Because we’ll never see the payback of the loans that were given to the “old” GM and Chrysler companies. The stock that taxpayers own in the car companies as part of the bailout will probably never rise enough to recoup the loans of the “old” and “new” GM and Chrysler.

          • http://www.facebook.com/lisa.dean.564 Lisa Dean

            If you have health insurance you might want to read the pamphlet/booklet they send you every year around this time. It’s got lots of updates to read about that go into effect starting Jan. 1, 2013 and they are being dictated through Obamacare on all of us.

          • salvagesalvage

            Sure, people should be and once again Obama is not making America socialist, can you point to any policy in the last four years that would do so?

            No, Obama care still has a free market insurance so it’s not socialized medicine.

            See wingnuts don’t look at policy, they just like to scream stuff so their hate doesn’t seem so mindless.

            It is of course but they think no one will notice.

          • Guest

            “In America, we have equality of opportunity.”

            Actually, we don’t. That’s the whole problem with why we have such a dwindling middle class and even fewer who are able to pull themselves up into the middle class. And creating “equality of opportunity” NOT “equalized outcome” was the entire premise of Obama’s re-election campaign.

          • Stephanie

            “In America, we have equality of opportunity.”

            Actually, we don’t. It’s one of the main reasons why the middle class isn’t growing as much as it should and why it’s so hard for individuals and families in the lower/lower-middle class to pull themselves up. Equalizing opportunity, NOT equalizing outcome, was the entire premise of Obama’s re-election campaign.

        • http://www.facebook.com/lisa.dean.564 Lisa Dean

          @facebook-1095074495:disqus ~ your statement of “The people who are getting paid your so-called “poverty” wages are the ones who are capable only of putting clothes on hangars or don’t want to work hard”.

          Is a bit offensive, there are a lot of people who work at Walmart who are capable of a lot more than just “putting clothes on hangars”. However, because of our economy, have had to take a lesser job than what they may have been previously employed, before being lade off. Not everyone is able to enter a management position because the people who are already in them aren’t going anywhere, therefore there’s no promotions.

      • Catchance

        “Poverty wages”. Wow. You truly are clueless. The people who are getting paid your so-called “poverty” wages are the ones who are capable only of putting clothes on hangars or don’t want to work hard. The ones who are capable and want to work hard do work their way up to middle management positions and up at WalMart. When did this country become a nation of everyone-gets-the-same-pay-regardless-of-what -they-do? Oh, wait. When Obama was elected and promised to fundamentally change us… to socialism.

      • http://Twitter.com/jkerrysforehead John Kerry’s Forehead

        You are an ignorant chump. Go back to sucking Obama’s dick you stupid, ignorant, liberal piece if Union slobbering dog shit. You waste of human DNA

        • salvagesalvage

          Ha! Ha! Yes! That’s some good wingnutting rage right there. I think you guys like losing elections because it lets you be angrier.

          • Michael Rice

            As opposed to some of yoru statement..

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002109532283 Jillane Kent

            As opposed to the anger and animus liberals have shown, despite two victories? Touche. I think “you guys” enjoy driving the economy off a cliff and indebting at least two generations for the excesses you demand and adore.

      • Teresa Davis McCormick

        actually the same products that walmart sell in their grocery dept come from the same source as any other grocery. Why is it cheaper?

        Here’s what Wiki leaks says. Now go see where the higher cost stores are getting their products manufactured. I would do more “homework” about how the world works for you but my husband just brought in the groceries from wal mart and i have to put them away. :)

        Wal-Mart buys products from cheap manufacturers, then resells them. The
        manufacturer’s keep their prices low through mass production. Its easy to make millions of one product, so they can sell them cheaper.

        Also, Wal-Mart has a lot of customers. If Wal-Mart make 1 cent profit
        from an item, and 100 people buy it, that’s 1 dollar of profit. Say
        Bill’s Fruit Mart has the same item, but only one person buys it. So to
        get the same amount of profit, he has to increase his price by one dollar.

        Basically, cheap products makes cheap prices, but the fact that a lot of people buy from Wal-Mart allows them to have even cheaper prices.

        What really happens is half of the wal marts products are direct vendor
        controlled.. therefore the vendors determine the price, since they only
        rent shelf space, they don’t have too much overhead for all those
        locations (for example pepsi supports the manufacturing plant, but they don’t have to pay for everything at all those stores it sells in so it can keep the price fairly low.)

        most of the rest of the products wal mart buys fairly cheap through two
        ways.. 1. overseas manufacturing.. and consignment sales.. they order
        so much volume that buying in bulk gets it cheaper, but what they don’t sell they send back.

        the little bit of products that are left are quality high end items,
        that they have to shell out some bucks for, but they charge what all the
        other higher end stores charge for it.

      • Elaine

        Wal Mart jobs were the ones we all used as stepping stones as we worked to IMPROVE our economic status! Most retail jobs are not CAREER jobs with high pay and benefits, unless you go into Managment and there is plenty of opportunity for growth if you work HARD. That’s how it has always been. Since BO’s win, the Unions feel empowered to go after every employer. They are even trying to Unionize part time janitors. They want full time work with pay increase and full benefits packages? Seriously? Ending the secret ballot is next on their TO DO list in the form of getting card Check shoved down our throats! They won’t stop until we end up like Spain and Greece.

        • salvagesalvage

          > the ones we all used

          Your life experience may not reflect other people’s. Do you think because you have no problems other people shouldn’t have problems?

          And you should look at what America was like before unions, what it was like at their peak and the way unions and the economy declined in tandem.

          I find often that people who hate unions have no idea what unions have actually done to improve their lives, you like a five day workweek? You like health and safety regulations? Those are just two changes that unions fought for that we take for granted.

          And so janitors don’t deserve a living wage? They don’t deserve a retirement where they don’t live on cat food? I guess you’re not a janitor so screw ’em right?

          It’s bizarre how wingnuts seem to demand poverty conditions.

          Oh and Greece cut the taxes for their rich, cut regulations for their banks with no government oversight, that’s part of the problem and what Romney and Co. would love to do in America.

          • http://www.facebook.com/lisa.dean.564 Lisa Dean

            I often find that people who still think unions are relevant in this day aren’t too up to par on what’s now a law. Yes, unions should be thanked for the changes in the work place they helped create for the advantage of us all. However, today’s unions are more concerned with political gain and government lobbying. There numbers are down and with the rise in “Right to Work” states they’re becoming even weaker. They no longer carry the union threat that they were once famous for. Now all they do is create protests in areas that don’t even concern unions and their collective bargaining skills have cause quite a few people to become unemployed. And one final point, if unions were so influential and needed how come they couldn’t convince Clinton to not impose NAFTA?

          • salvagesalvage

            Yeah, maybe because it’s Monday I can’t unscramble your word salad there. Unions used to be good but now they’re bad but they don’t have any power and they just make things worse so… um… kay.

          • http://www.facebook.com/lisa.dean.564 Lisa Dean

            Is that the best you got? You can’t debate my points? I agreed with you that Unions should be credited for the good they did. Then I showed how they no longer have relevance in today’s society. And your response is that BS….

          • salvagesalvage

            No, you didn’t show any such thing, as long as there are bosses and corporations who put profits over human lives and society there will be the new for unions. The only societies that don’t need them are communist and other forms of dictatorships that are keen on keeping power centralized and away from the average person.

          • http://www.facebook.com/lisa.dean.564 Lisa Dean

            Please do some research on unions, their memberships declining, and right to work states. Also, do some research on the Department of Labor, OSHA, EEO laws etc. That’s what protects workers today not the Unions. Your argument of bosses, corporations, profits over human lives and society is not relevant.

          • salvagesalvage

            They are declining because corporations and governments are doing their best to make them impossible. This is an old battle that they lost a long time ago but they still keep trying. It’s a petty sort of greed that drives them I suspect.

            At any rate Romney campaign certainly reminded people what unions are protection from. Next four years could show a resurgence.

            Yes! People aren’t relevant! What an amazing argument to make!

            Yes, those laws exist because of unions but the bit you’re missing is that not every industry is unionized, for those they have laws offering some of the same necessary protections.

            You need them both, government AND unions for the benefits of union to the workforce and society overall to continue.

          • http://www.facebook.com/lisa.dean.564 Lisa Dean

            The DOL, OSHA, EEO etc serves everyone who works and they regulate safety, equal employment wages, etc. So again, we would continue to work in the same conditions we have today without unions. I know not every industry is unionized. Those industries have the same protections as union members. The main concentration of unions today is collective bargaining when a contract is up, providing resumes for out of work union members when a vacancy opens, and for a few the ability to sit around and do nothing and still get a paycheck. Now I do know that that characteristic is prevalent in either work environment. I am curious what Romney reminded everyone about unions and their protection. Because you can’t deny that there are lots of union employees who are unemployed in spite of being a member of a union.

      • Elaine

        Wal Mart jobs were the ones we all used as stepping stones as we worked to IMPROVE our economic status! Most retail jobs are not CAREER jobs with high pay and benefits, unless you go into Managment and there is plenty of opportunity for growth if you work HARD. That’s how it has always been. Since BO’s win, the Unions feel empowered to go after every employer. They are even trying to Unionize part time janitors. They want full time work with pay increase and full benefits packages? Seriously? Ending the secret ballot is next on their TO DO list in the form of getting card Check shoved down our throats! They won’t stop until we end up like Spain and Greece.

      • Lynelle Hullsiek

        Don’t forget blue dress lovin’ Clinton. He’s the one who, with neo-cons, passed NAFTA to make everything fair for everyone around the world (whine like a 12 yr old girl when reading that for its full effect). Liberals suck and you’ve got NOTHING on what’s been working for centuries. Yep, things take time, who ever said everything would be perfect? But your commie shite ways can ONLY ruin everything we’ve been working toward. Go crawl under a rock and hide from the real world.

    • salvagesalvage

      Because they need jobs, it’s that situation that Walmart exploits by paying poverty wages. If you shop at Walmart the money you save is essentially taken from the people that work there.

      And that’s pretty bad but it’s nothing compared to what goes on in China where a great deal of Walmart’s products are made.

      It’s funny how Reason and the right-wing conveniently forget how much they hate communism when it comes to Walmart’s low prices.

    • Teresa Davis McCormick

      because we are smart enough not to pay 10 bucks for something at the mall that we can get there for 5. :)

  • http://Twitter.com/jkerrysforehead John Kerry’s Forehead

    If Wal Mart is so bad and evil, why do so many shop and work there?

  • Moogiechan

    1.The Left doesn’t really want to help the poor as much as they want to hurt the rich, or even the comfortable.
    2.They hate Wal-mart because it is accomplishing in the marketplace what the Libs would have government do.
    3. They need a target to distract from the economic damage Obama and the Democrats in Congress have done and continue to do.

    • JustLikeAnimals

      Your #1 is the truth of truths. The thing that drives liberals insane is the fact that you can’t damage the rich without damaging the poor. Their ultimate quest is to somehow change the laws of economics so that capital expended or invested only benefits the person who owns the capital, and not the people it employs or empowers. It’s why liberals are such frustrated dumbasses.

      • http://twitter.com/hamybear Michael Hampton

        So why didn’t the rich people who still have the Bush tax cuts create any jobs when those tax cuts were extended? What were they waiting for?

        • JustLikeAnimals

          Thanks for making my final point about libs being dumbasses. Much appreciated.

          • http://twitter.com/hamybear Michael Hampton

            Why? Because I questioned the republican dogma? Because you can’t answer my question? Why am I automatically a dumbass because you can’t answer my question?

        • http://www.facebook.com/lisa.dean.564 Lisa Dean

          Because I’m sure not all of those rich people you speak of own a business. Also, clearly think about those who are Democratic/Liberal rich people in America, I don’t see a good majority of them creating jobs with the evil Bush tax cuts that they surely take advantage of.

    • JustLikeAnimals

      Your #1 is the truth of truths. The thing that drives liberals insane is the fact that you can’t damage the rich without damaging the poor. Their ultimate quest is to somehow change the laws of economics so that capital expended or invested only benefits the person who owns the capital, and not the people it employs or empowers. It’s why liberals are such frustrated dumbasses.

    • http://twitter.com/hamybear Michael Hampton

      Um…you might not realize this because you didn’t read the source material for the “article” above, but the government is having to pick up the slack for Walmart because they don’t pay a living wage. Their workers get food stamps and medicaid. So the “marketplace” as you say is actually getting the government to pay their workers and then telling you that they don’t like ‘entitlements.’ Without those entitlements, Walmart wouldn’t be able to operate.

      • Hiraghm

        I don’t get food stamps or medicaid. I don’t know any of my co-workers who do, either.

        • http://twitter.com/hamybear Michael Hampton

          Neither do I, nor any of my friends who also voted for Obama.

          • Teresa Davis McCormick

            and you don’t know anyone who works at walmart who is on welfare either. Let’s be honest

          • http://twitter.com/hamybear Michael Hampton

            Actually, I do. Thanks for assuming the worst. What did your parents do to you to make you so nasty?

          • Teresa Davis McCormick

            why is asking you that “being nasty”. And my parents who are wonderful people apparently didn’t rub elbows with your parents.

          • Teresa Davis McCormick

            so the worst would be that you don’t have any friends on welfare who also work at walmart. because that’s what i was assuming.

      • Hiraghm

        I don’t get food stamps or medicaid. I don’t know any of my co-workers who do, either.

      • trumpet444

        I know a few people that work for Walmart. Not ONE of them uses welfare/medicaid/food stamps. They simply know how to live within their means. I worked for Sam’s Club about ten or so years ago myself and didn’t need the govt to hold my hand either

        • http://twitter.com/hamybear Michael Hampton

          I know a lot of Democrats who voted for Obama. And not all of them are on welfare either!

          • SDN

            But they’re all in favor of being charitable with my money. Otherwise they’d write the check to the Treasury themselves.

          • http://twitter.com/hamybear Michael Hampton

            I guess you believed Romney when he said that 47% don’t pay taxes. I pay taxes. And I want to help my fellow Americans when they can’t help themselves. I don’t know if you know this, but a lot of the people who get entitlements are returning vets who were wounded and now can’t work. There are hundreds of thousands of vets who came back missing limbs and with severe injuries that prevent them from working. I guess you would rather have them starve and die than to grant them food stamps or health care. I prefer to help.

          • SDN

            Shorter Michael Hampton: SQUIRREL!

          • http://twitter.com/hamybear Michael Hampton

            Shout that in a legless veterans face.

          • Teresa Davis McCormick

            what the heck? did cnn did a sympathy for veteran’s piece?

          • http://www.facebook.com/lisa.dean.564 Lisa Dean

            Due to the benefits that veterans do receive through state and federal funding many don’t qualify for food stamps because they receive too much money. Also, veterans receive free healthcare (as part of their contract for joining the military) from the VA and they do have CHAMPUS that’s free if they aren’t near a VA hospital.

      • trumpet444

        I know a few people that work for Walmart. Not ONE of them uses welfare/medicaid/food stamps. They simply know how to live within their means. I worked for Sam’s Club about ten or so years ago myself and didn’t need the govt to hold my hand either

      • http://twitter.com/TheAngieNC2 Angie (D)

        Do you realize that WalMart is a huge donor to Obama & the Dem party in general?
        You better recheck your talking points — the Dems are just fine with WalMart and only use it as a distraction for the weak-minded people like you who will believe anything the Dems tell you.

        • http://twitter.com/hamybear Michael Hampton

          I didn’t say that Walmart was evil. I am not like you. I merely pointed out your hypocrisy of saying “entitlements are evil” while supporting a company that relies on entitlements to pay it’s workers less money.

          • http://twitter.com/TheAngieNC2 Angie (D)

            My hypocrisy — you have no idea what *I* think of WalMart? And your response wasn’t to ME it was to “moogiechan” — or are you so intellectually dishonest you can’t even keep to whom you are responding straight?

          • http://twitter.com/hamybear Michael Hampton

            So you don’t think entitlements are evil? Then I apologize.

      • http://www.facebook.com/lisa.dean.564 Lisa Dean

        Food stamps and Medicaid is being used by far more people who don’t work at Walmart than those that do. Also, there’s a limit of how much income you can earn and how much assets you can have in order to qualify for state funded programs.

      • Michael Rice

        Living wage…blah blah…Why is it that minimum wage keeps going up yet more and mroe people are living in poverty? In the early 1990s the minimum wage was 4.75 per hour. It’s gone up almost three dollars…an hour. yet, mroe people go on food stamps, more people on welfare…

        • http://twitter.com/hamybear Michael Hampton

          I hate to have to tell you this, but the cost of living has far surpassed the meager increases in hourly wages you mentioned.

          • mike_in_kosovo

            No shit, Sherlock…what do you EXPECT to happen to the prices of everything, when you make the cost of producing/transporting everything higher by mandating a higher minimum wage?

            Idiot.

          • Teresa Davis McCormick

            it is a vicious circle that we need to get off of. ^

          • http://twitter.com/hamybear Michael Hampton

            Right?! When all of the poor and starving people in this country, many returning vets who were injured in the war, die off from not having food or health care, then you can run free through the streets and dance on their dead bodies.

          • Teresa Davis McCormick

            what the hell does vets have to do with the minimum wage? I was responding to Mike. But thank you for wagging your hand in the air to get my attention. I guess you want another lesson. The circle or cycle, if you prefer, that i was talking about is: unions demand higher minimum wage……minimum wage is raised….employer adds cost of raise to consumer…….consumer has to pay more……cost of living goes up……..then unions say raise wage for cost of living….minimum wage is raised…..and so on and so on.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002109532283 Jillane Kent

            If the employees possess such tremendous talent, they should have little trouble finding a salaried position that is not so tenuous and affected by inflation, right?

          • http://twitter.com/hamybear Michael Hampton

            Um…not everyone can be a manager. There have to be some people to manage.

          • SDN

            Not if you read B.O’s inflation numbers. Of course they leave out such non-essentials as food and gasoline…..

      • Michael Rice

        Wal Mart would be able to operate just fine without “entitlements”….the only difference would be people would need to live within their means and actually support themsselves…by the way…no one is entitled to live off of my money except my family and I.

        • Lovetorun2

          Well said Michael! My family lived in central FL for 5 years. Far too often I watched women (with expensive clothes, manicures, etc.) pay for their groceries with food stamps and then go put their bags in a new Escalade or BMW. It was infuriating to watch them them load their grocery carts with “name brand everything” while I struggled to feed my family of 4 on $240.00 a month (I feed my family of 4 – husband, me, 13 yo daughter, 10 you daughter – on $240.00 so that we live within our means). Great post!

      • Teresa Davis McCormick

        what source material are you quoting? I’ve never met anyone who worked at Wal mart who was receiving gov. assistance. I don’t think you can prove that. Where did you get this notion. do you possess the power to look in records to see who is receiving welfare and where they work? Wow with superpowers like that, you’d think you could figure out the truth. LOL Moron

        • Teresa Davis McCormick

          I used to volunteer at a homeless shelter a few years back and I was surprised to find that a lot of the homeless had jobs. The Jobs they had were at fast food establishments, or small under the counter paying jobs. If you want to find out who is helping and who is screwing the poor then all you have to do is do some volunteer work or charity through your church.

        • http://twitter.com/hamybear Michael Hampton

          Try Google. It’s amazing what you can find.

          • Teresa Davis McCormick

            that’s how you found walmart employees were on welfare. You may not know this but. just because it’s on the internet doesn’t mean it’s true

          • http://twitter.com/hamybear Michael Hampton

            http://www.heraldsun.com/view/full_story/14559628/article-Let-s-kick-Wal-Mart-off-welfare

            Here’s the first article that came up.

            Read more: The Herald-Sun – Let s kick Wal Mart off welfare

          • wwbdinct

            LOL! I had to stop as soon as I came to the part where the reporter said she was covering the Progressive Caucus. Thanks for the delusional “non-biased” piece. Nice try lying lefty.

          • wwbdinct

            No. You state it – you source it. Otherwise it’s a lie.

          • http://twitter.com/hamybear Michael Hampton

            Whatever source I put up here, if it isn’t Fox or Drudge, you will say that they are lying no matter what. Why not find it for yourself and then you can vet the source as you see fit? See?

          • wwbdinct

            Not true. But I have the feeling that your source is Huffpo or Kos or MSNBC, Think Progress, Media Matters, MotherJones or Salon. If not, then source it my friend.

          • Teresa Davis McCormick

            it’s an opinion piece. The opinionated one get his source from two dems who put a woman (walmart employee) on stage and she said that 80 % of her co workers were on food stamps. Yes that really is his source.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002109532283 Jillane Kent

        Who sets the “fair” minimum wage, if not our federal government?

        • http://twitter.com/hamybear Michael Hampton

          Congress. Nothing happens in congress anymore thanks to the tea baggers.

          • SDN

            Take it up with the Founders. Or move somewhere else.

          • Teresa Davis McCormick

            lol and Thank you God for that

          • http://www.facebook.com/lisa.dean.564 Lisa Dean

            Actually, it’s the Department of Labor who sets the minimum wage not Congress. The Department of Labor is responsible for enforcing the FLSA, they don’t set up any benefits, those are established by the employer.

  • Moogiechan

    1.The Left doesn’t really want to help the poor as much as they want to hurt the rich, or even the comfortable.
    2.They hate Wal-mart because it is accomplishing in the marketplace what the Libs would have government do.
    3. They need a target to distract from the economic damage Obama and the Democrats in Congress have done and continue to do.

  • http://www.facebook.com/brett.mcmicken Brett McMicken

    Sounds pretty good! RT @petersuderman: 8. Erase the entire Walton family fortune and you get an average $1/hour boost to Walmart workers.

    ——————————–

    i’d prefer confiscating the wealth of liberals, make them live in the neighborhoods of the people they claim to support, and redistribute that wealth to the wal-mart workers.

    • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeBeq0i03bg Booker

      Bada bing bada boom.

      • Michael Rice

        It’s amazing, that entire lsit and the only one that moron talks abotu is how taking all of an entire family’s money. money they earned, would increase by one dollar the average worker’s salary…

    • $23089169

      Agreed. But, isn’t it amusing watching them carry out their phony intellectual arguments with each other?

    • Clayton B

      – Left*Mart –
      Siphon money- Live better

  • http://www.facebook.com/brett.mcmicken Brett McMicken

    Sounds pretty good! RT @petersuderman: 8. Erase the entire Walton family fortune and you get an average $1/hour boost to Walmart workers.

    ——————————–

    i’d prefer confiscating the wealth of liberals, make them live in the neighborhoods of the people they claim to support, and redistribute that wealth to the wal-mart workers.

  • stuckinIL4now

    So take the entire Walton family fortune to give everyone a $1/hr raise but for how long does that money last and how long before the libturds demand another $1? And how far will that get them? And then who invests in the company? And doesn’t the Walton family have a right to enjoy any of the fruits of their labor?

    • peteee363

      but next year, all those employees lose the dollar, because the walmart fortune was lost. so next year prices go up, or employees lose the dollar raise from this year. so in the end, taking the walmart family money was a dumb idea!

      • mike_in_kosovo

        Math isn’t a liberal strong suit.

        • conservativechick

          They have their OWN math.

        • conservativechick

          They have their OWN math.

    • peteee363

      but next year, all those employees lose the dollar, because the walmart fortune was lost. so next year prices go up, or employees lose the dollar raise from this year. so in the end, taking the walmart family money was a dumb idea!

  • Timothy Noonan

    Wal-mart and the American shopper, funding the Chinese military complex for twenty years. I guess Sam really meant was “Buy Asia”.

    • Teresa Davis McCormick

      Sadly lots of companies have had to resort to buying products from Asia. The Gov. has put so many pressures on businesses in America that It makes it hard for any manufacturing plant here to produce the same things and keep consumer cost low. Therefore stores buy the cheaper item from overseas to sell to us so they can make a profit. The American Manufacturer eventually goes bankrupt or moves overseas themselves. So when people say “buy American” they really should be saying “release our American companies from so much Gov. red tape so they can compete”

  • http://twitter.com/JCM1776 JCM

    Matt,

    Liquidate Walton family wealth, approx $100 B, and pay the 2.2 million employees an extra dollar for less than a year.

    Problem is to do that you have to liquidate Walmart itself…. to pay employees a dollar out of Walton wealth you destroy the very jobs that they have.

  • Jerry J Brown

    Did people complain this much when KMart was king who was Walmart’s predecessor?

    • peteee363

      or target, or ikea??

    • peteee363

      or target, or ikea??

  • Jerry J Brown

    Did people complain this much when KMart was king who was Walmart’s predecessor?

  • http://www.politisite.com/ Albert N. Milliron

    In this age of class warfare, the left will have no problem diminishing the riches wealth to zero for a few pennies more… They seem to be oblivious to the consequences of destroying incentives to achieve in America… Tax the Rich… what happens when there are no more Rich?

    • Michael Rice

      THey just don’t get that…it makes to much sense. THey think that socialism has failed, because it hasn’t been tried by the right people..

  • Ro Baht

    Given that money was no object, (so said considering the billions Walmart purchases) could another company get in there and start decimating the supply chain by offering slight higher prices and thus cripple Walmart, and the USA social structure…you know they are running these scenarios in Washington…a Chinese company, for example, could wreak havoc by just eating losses for 5-10 years, just using their dollars with simple US corporation funding from abroad, ie. bringing the profits “home” would be welcomed, but to what effect…?

  • Lady_Clare

    I can’t believe he thinks Walmart’s prices on food are so good. Locally we have a supermarket called “Winco” that’s employee owned. They beat the pants off of most of Walmart’s food prices. Walmart isn’t as expensive as Safeway, but it’s not somewhere that I’d shop for the majority of my groceries. Apparently most people here agree. When the local Walmart superstore opened, you couldn’t notice a dent in Winco’s business.

  • http://www.facebook.com/lisa.dean.564 Lisa Dean

    I think a lot of people either have confused or don’t know the difference between a minimum wage, living wage and family wage job. Walmart was never meant to be anything other than a minimum wage job unless you went into management. Now because of our economy people are taking jobs at Walmart in order to support a family. Any job is better than no job in my opinion.

  • epobirs

    8a. What an idiot like Yglesias doesn’t get is that this can only happen once and the effect would very short-lived. If you gave every employee a raise of $1 you’ve enacted a $1.4 MILLION an hour burn rate on that seized capital. Tick, tick, tick… it’s gone.

    11a. Wal-mart low income customers cannot afford to shop at CostCo where much much of the savings comes from buying in bulk, which requires a lot of cash up front and space at home to store the items.

    16a. Ten years ago, Wal-mart didn’t exist in my region. Now they are numerous. But I cannot find a single example of a local small business that failed as a result. From what I’ve seen elsewhere, places that go under when Wal-mart comes to town are barely surviving and cannot stand up to any setback or uptick in competition.

    Smart small business owners specialize in place Wal-mart by its nature cannot serve. Being a generalist is better left to the high volume operation.

  • The_Original

    It is hilarious the jealousy that the leftists show. The Walton family’s wealth is all wealth that was earned the very hard way.

  • http://www.facebook.com/hal.burton.737 Hal Burton

    The president could have bought about a million meals with that college transcript money Trump offered. Why does he hate the poor?

  • http://www.facebook.com/hal.burton.737 Hal Burton

    The president could have bought about a million meals with that college transcript money Trump offered. Why does he hate the poor?

  • Lynelle Hullsiek

    What’s really irritating is how libs claim so much to care for these poor little workers, but they’re the first ones to start bashing the ‘trailer trash’ in movies, stand up routines, blogs, etc. Libs’ hypocrisy is more disgraceful than the idea of a minimum wage.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002109532283 Jillane Kent

    A one year budgetary surplus that was achieved by monies taken from Social Security that would soon be erased by the dot.com bubble and 9/11. I’ll give him a slow golf clap for that one. By the way, as an Obama supporter, do you find the last 4 trillion dollar deficits to be wise stewardship of the economy?

  • salvagesalvage

    No, it was the invasion of Iraq for WMD that never were and tax cuts for the rich that did more than the “dot.com” (none of which stuck! Nope, the Internet has no value and employs no one since 1999).

    I’m not an Obama supporter, even if I could vote for him I wouldn’t. And I believe Obama had to spend a great deal of money to undo the damage of Bush. You do know that Obama didn’t walk into a stable economy right? Two losing wars?

    And while it’s Bush’s fault it’s certainly Obama’s responsibility and problem.

    Obama has done a better job than Bush and he will do a better job than Romney. These are facts and I have no doubt that make you angry but that doesn’t change them.