Forward! ‘Obama won, had to fire 22 employees’; Small business owners on Twitter doing same; Updated: More small biz owners attacked

And so it begins. Devastating news this morning, as reports of employers laying off employees come in. First, a Las Vegas employer has been forced to fire 22 employees due to Obama’s reelection.

More from CBS News:

LAS VEGAS (CBS Las Vegas) — A Las Vegas business owner with 114 employees fired 22 workers today, apparently as a direct result of President Obama’s re-election.

“David” (he asked to remain anonymous for obvious reasons) told Host Kevin Wall on 100.5 KXNT that “elections have consequences” and that “at the end of the day, I need to survive.”

Not “unexpectedly,” to anyone who has been paying attention.

More to come, yes. And it has already started. That Las Vegas employer is not alone. Small business owners on Twitter report that they are being forced to do the same.

This small business owner tries to explain to the wilfully ignorant.

That’s right. She is being called a “drama queen.” Because she is being forced to lay off employees due to the job-killing Obamacare regulations. Suck it up, small business owner! She didn’t build that anyway, right, President Obama?

And that’s it right there. They, including President Obama, don’t understand business. He, and many surrounding him, have never had to meet a payroll in their lives. They don’t get it. At all. Instead, they lash out and attack this job-creating small business owner.

Of course it is. Unlike the caricatures of business owners that the Left have in their heads, business owners care. They aren’t maniacally laughing and twirling old-timey villain mustaches as they lay people off. They are devastated and heartbroken that they have to do so.

Elections have consequences. And the consequences are dire.

Our thoughts and prayers are with these hard-working small business owners, who are the backbone of this nation, and their employees who will now join the growing ranks of the unemployed.

Update: The Las Vegas small business owner is also being attacked:

Um. You are the one that is deluded. It is happening because of Obamacare and President Obama’s re-election. These business owners were hoping and praying for a Romney win, and a way to ease the untenable burdens placed on them by these regulations, so that they would not have to do this. Small business owners are heartbroken over having to lay off employees, who are like family to them. They are devastated.

  • Brian_CK

    It’s unfortunate, but the idiot Democrats have some of the public trained to blame the business owners without considering the FACT that the business owners HAD to fire people in RESPONSE to what Gov’t does!

    • http://www.facebook.com/faith.dunn2 Faith Dunn

      well they can blame there asses to the unemployment line or welfare..obama has plenty to hand out..we can just work harder..he an ass hole

    • AMERICAN Kafir™(KAdams)

      They’re also calling business owners idiots, for taking the steps needed to avoid a jump in costs, at the least, allowing the employees to try and find other work before Christmas, instead of just laying them off the week of.

      • Finrod Felagund

        Liberals don’t understand finances. This is why we have a national debt that’s in excess of $16,000,000,000,000 — liberals can’t count that high.

    • JeannieJ

      So how long will it be before Fearless Leader decides the government must take-over all these businesses due to the failures of their owners to keep employees? Surely there’s an administrative order for that? Eminent domain type of thing…”The government must take over control of your business to keep you from firing people…it’s in the best interest of society,,,thank you for not building this for us.” May sound silly…but what else have we seen this administration do that we’d have called ridiculous and impossible in any other time?

      • Tamma

        I wonder if this will be the job of the new “Secretary of Business”?

        • snit3

          I think you mean “Commissar of Business”…

          • OppressLibs

            Da

        • YERMOM182

          Secretary of Business sounds retarded

      • redheadgrl

        Like putting a rider on some bill that says you can’t layoff employees anymore?

        • JeannieJ

          Red, it’s entirely feasible for the govt to try to say that it’s illegal for a company to downsize to avoid the devastating effects of Obamacare…rather like we’re not supposed to cut through parking lots to avoid a stop sign. Frankly, once the government initiated their mandated and sanctioned sexual assaults, I felt there was no boundary on them anymore. I can refuse to fly…till the TSA are at state borders, on buses and trains. They’re going to do what they want, and short of armed civil resistance, I don’t see a way to stop them when they have no respect for the rule of law.

        • http://www.insomniaclibertarian.blogspot.com BruceMajors4DC

          Directive 10-289 in Atlas Shrugged.

        • http://www.insomniaclibertarian.blogspot.com BruceMajors4DC

          Directive 10-289 in Atlas Shrugged.

      • Dorîn Anghelescu

        The same govt who couldn’t run the Mustang Ranch at a profit selling SEX and WHISKEY?

        • JeannieJ

          Okay I need to learn not to read these whilst drinking tea. Almost ruined the laptop. MrBenz, please don’t mistake desire with competence…although I loved that reference. :While I was making that comment slightly ironically, I began seriously comparing it to the other freedoms that have been grievously eroded under his “watch”. Suddenly, it’s just not so funny anymore.

      • DianaRae_FL

        That will be next.

    • OppressLibs

      I live in Virginia which went for der Furher by the slimmest of margins. This state is facing 200,000+ layoffs in DoD come 1 Jan 2013. The $hit hasn’t hit the fan here, yet, but it will no doubt. Here’s hoping Obama voters in VA get pink slips in their Christmas stockings.

      • rsii0210

        I live in the “Commonwealth” (Insidious Foreshadowing?) as well and am saddened by the Lefts continued march against American values.

        Ammo, Water, Food and Tools…without these you will be hungry or victimized.

        • Terry

          It’s not just the layoffs for DoD workers. Obama admin told the DoD contractors to violate WARN so the pink slips wouldn’t go out prior to the election. (They were due on 11/1/12). Obama promised NOT to issue them the monetary penalties that WARN calls for when fail to announce on time. The CEO’s of those companies that didn’t WARN broke that law AND took a bribe. Obama is bribing them, so he, too has broken the law. Throw his ass in jail.

          • Tamma

            More like a veiled threat. “Play by these new rules or you may suffer the consequences (loose a government contract)”.

          • Terry

            Actually, it’s a little more than that. Per the law, if you have more than, I think, 100 employees and you’re going to lay off xx percent, you have to give the workers 60 days notice. If you only give 45 days notice, you have to pay the laid off workers for the other 15 days. Obama’s letter to DoD contractors says, specifically, that if they don’t WARN as per law, but should have, than TAXPAYERS will pay the affected workers. Not only did Obama bribe these guys, he used OUR money to do so. See top paragraph, page two of the Gov’ts letter to DoD contractors; http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/memoranda/2012/m-12-19.pdf

      • tpatt100

        Laying off DOD means less government tax dollars. Thought the GOP wanted that.

  • Cyborg0012

    Well, it’s started. Pray, eat well, and exercise- as I’ve seen else where.

  • Fire and Adjust!

    So rather than b!tchin at this employer………..how about some of these people suggest that those getting fired start their own company doing the EXACT same business since there is apparently no lack of business demand in that industry and in that area?

    But NOOOOOO! Liberals want to castigate this woman for her reality rather than make useful, potentially beneficial, recommendations for added self reliance and success.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000060158724 -Hannibal Lector-

      It requires a brain to offer such insight, a brain is what any leftist is born without

    • Kevin Krom

      But that would be WORK. Work is hard, m’ok? And why bother, cause then you gotta pay taxes and stuff. Much easier to just get EBT cards, food stamps, and Obamaphones.

      It’s all coming out of Obama’s “stash”, and there’s plenty of free stuff for everybody!

  • shortstack5

    Are we heading for some regulations that say employers can no longer limit employees to 29 hours a week and must keep a minimum of 50 people on payroll? That’s the next logical step right? Folks refuse to blame government, so blame the business owners instead?

    • bigkahuna9

      I won’t be surprised they make it 25-30 employees soon. They will say to help but it will be to chase them to obamacare.

    • MissJ

      It’s already happening…..full time is going to be 30 hours.

      • Donimal61

        I think that’s the definition in of full-time work in Greece…

    • Clorinda Madsen

      Then there will never be a new, legal business ever again if that goes in to place.

  • http://twitter.com/thetugboatphil TugboatPhil

    This happened before when the Americans With Disabilities Act was passed. Businesses with X number of employees had to reconfigure facilities and provide different services. Easiest way to comply if the budget was thin was to make sure you have below X number of employees.

    Math really isn’t hard, unless you are a liberal. Understanding that operating a business is so the owner makes a profit after everyone else is paid is pretty easy to understand too.

    • Silenttype78

      But…but…but “That’s not faaaaaa-ir”.
      Lib-progs hate “the math”.
      “The math” is keeping them down because it is clear,fact based,and doesn’t allow for “feelings”.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Alaine-Zachar/1559601632 Alaine Zachar

      As a reasonable liberal, I think that totally makes sense. But it seems like the right, in this situation, would respond by saying “We should not pass bills like Obamacare/Americans with Disabilities because it hurts small businesses!” But that would be the wrong sentiment to have. Simply because a choice is harder, or may take some adjusting to, does not mean it is the wrong choice.

      • Concerned

        I don’t think there is a choice for these businesses..it is not just “harder” or something they can “adjust to”

      • LeighLeigh

        I deal with ADA EVERYDAY. It just has some STUPID shit that I have to design around, with no exceptions….a bunch of burecrats wrote the thing and to include mental illness in it was just plain stupid. ADA is for physically handicapped people to navigate buildings, which is a good thing. The bad thing is that the rules have gotten to be more and more and more bullshit……KISS is always a good plan and Congress should have limits on the amount of pages that legislation can be: 10 pages is plenty to get a law on the books….

      • Scruffy McGee

        You miss the point. When you “hurt” small business, it decreases the ability to be profitable, which decreases the ability to grow, which decreases the ability to hire more workers (create jobs), which decreases the motivation for others to open similar businesses, which decreases freedom and opportunities for people to pursue their dreams. “Hurting business” is a small packaged political phrase that is rarely explained in detail and never understood by a huge majority of the electorate. So hurting business is the wrong choice because of all the cascading effects.

        • http://www.facebook.com/will.king.9889 Will King

          You forgot the most important one to the left, all of what you said cumulates to a reduction in the governments tax revenues. Cause thats the only thing they care about.

      • brotherStefan

        Decisions (that would be “choices” to a reasonable liberal) have consequences.

      • Terry

        Obamacare choice, hmmm, pay $6,000 per year, per employee to give them health insurance, or pay the fine of $2,000 per year per employee, but
        only if 50+ full-time equivalent employees. Can’t decrease their wages
        to cover this added cost because of federal and state minimum wage
        laws. Can’t raise the price of the product or else the customers won’t
        be able to afford it. On top of that, Obama is going to increase taxes
        on these employers because tax law treats them like individuals, and tax
        law thinks they are “rich” because of sales, and Obama wants them to
        pay their “fair” share. Hmm, what to do?… what to do?

        • Sam_Dobermann

          Actually, they CHOOSE to be treated as individuals under tax law — which is risky and means they have to spend a lot on liability insurance — otherwise in case of something going wrong, requiring payment of large damages they could lose everything, their entire businesses, their home(s), cars …

          Businesses are not taxed based on sales but on profits. And spending more on employees tends to reduce taxes. Of course, fewer employees would shrink their business — unless it was run inefficiently in the first place, in which case these businessmen were wasteful and foolish. i don’t believe they were sentimental fools who just employed people to expand his “family.”

          And apparently these businessmen who only pay the minimum wage don’t mind laying any needed health care treatment by their “just like family” employees off onto the taxpayers. I mind. I know that my taxes will go down when everything is implemented and the health care systems are more efficient.

          When things get better, and they are, however slowly, do you think ANY of the employees of these pathetic bosses would stay around given any choice? Do you think they love poverty and would they choose it because their bosses “care for them like family?”

          The cherry on the top of this hissy fit by our supposed to be venerated “small businessmen:” the insurance provisions of the ACA, Obamacare, don’t come into effect until January of 2014.

          That’s right. Bookmark this page and you can call it up intact for a year from now. You may have to get different names because the idiots who are firing people now are likely to be out of business by then.

          • Terry

            I stopped reading at they CHOOSE to be treated as an individual. No I didn’t. There’s a funny little thing called the law…. And FYI, a lot of the taxes in Obamacare start on 1/1/13.

    • LeighLeigh

      Not really true. I am an Architect and the buildings and facilities didn’t and don’t have to be fixed until you renovate or new tenants move in or you sell a building and the owner has to update…..ADA for buildings has nothing to do with the amount of employees one has…..the building owner is solely responsible for upgrading the building.

      • brotherStefan

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      • Finrod Felagund

        So it just keeps businesses from using office space. Different mechanism, same effects. Ever wonder why so many ugly strip malls pop up instead of reusing nice old buildings? There you go.

  • v1cious

    Once again, you guys are showing how uninformed you are. Even if Mitt Romney had won on Tuesday, you would still have to fire employees, because Democrats still hold the senate. Hell he couldn’t even start to do anything until Inauguration day. This is nothing short of a political stunt, and anyone with common sense can see right through it.

    • Dandee

      He was going to repeal with executive order. Heck , Boehner can just not fund the thing.

      • v1cious

        “Boehner can just not fund the thing.” That just makes the argument even more invalid. Either way, this is a knee-jerk reaction.

        • Teresa Davis McCormick

          tell us the truth…..you really have no idea how any of that part of government works.

          • Finrod Felagund

            He’s an idiot liberal troll, I’ve voted him down many times.

        • Dandee

          Hardly knee jerk, they’ve been discussing it since Obamacare was passed

      • Jamie Wilson

        And I hope he does. He’s pretty much the last line of defense here.

      • http://twitter.com/wineplz wineplz

        I thought the House already voted to not fund ObamaCare?

    • Liberal Hater

      And it’s still a reality of the failed policies of mentally retarded liberals.

      • Liberal Hater

        I apologize for offending the mentally retarded… they shouldn’t be compared to the level of stupidity of the liberal.

        • http://google.com/ FAKEXTIAN Hunter

          apologize for being a moron and a loser on a loser party

          • Teresa Davis McCormick

            oh here we go. lol You voted and your choice won but you did not. And furthermore…why are you here??? shouldn’t you be off some where celebrating that women will still get to use tampons? You don’t want to talk real issues do you?? Not because you are stupid…but because you want to keep the tension between dems and rep growing. Real people are talking about real life threatening policies that will soon be in place in the government, But you are bored and lazy and don’t want to have an intelligent discussion. So get up, go outside and enjoy the fresh air or maybe see a national park….before they are gone……..bye bye

          • http://google.com/ FAKEXTIAN Hunter

            Get back to to your buffet line.

          • http://politicallyincorrectcanadian.blogspot.ca/ Reverend Ken

            The losers are the cheaters and usurpers in the WHITE House.
            Why haven’t the patriots in America fixed this?

          • http://www.cosmicgirl.net/ Cosmic Girl

            bobbybstrd isn’t a liberal in the democrat party.

          • Finrod Felagund

            Idiot liberal troll. Get your dumbass back to democraticunderground.

      • v1cious

        Whatever, you can call me anything you like, it’s you guys that are in disarray.

        • Teresa Davis McCormick

          ha that’s the first time I have ever heard any liberal call conservatives disorganized. LOL loving it. I thought we were all evil racists with our plan to take over everyones tampons?? LOL

        • http://twitter.com/islandfeline Amanda St.Thomas

          Ah, is your name REALLY bobby bastard?

        • AMERICAN Kafir™(KAdams)

          So rather than being conciliatory, like Harry Reid, you would continue to denigrate the rest of us that have pretty much given up on the rest of you? Cool. The taste will turn to ashes soon enough, though.

    • Jamie Wilson

      He was going to give every state a waiver, since the precedent was already there. We did not have to repeal the damn thing immediately. We could have waited it out.

      • medicinewomantwo

        we who? At best you can only speak for yourself.

    • Teresa Davis McCormick

      how is having to fire your own employees a political stunt? the election is over. why are you blaming small business owners for the bad economy? Talk about being uninformed.

    • LissaKay

      Liberals just have no ability to think logically, do they?

      Many business owners were hanging on, waiting to see what happened in the election. If Romney won, they might have been able to hang on and cope until the odious Obama spending and taxes were repealed or revoked. Since Obama won, they now know what is coming …. massive tax increases on top of having to pay for Obamacare costs, on top of tons of new regulations designed to gut small businesses.

      We saw it coming. We are not idiots.
      We. Told. You. So.

      Don’t come crying to us when it all goes to shit. We’re going to be too busy taking care of ourselves and our own to worry about whiny ass, crybaby liberals who can’t take care of themselves.

    • Silenttype78

      You are wrong.
      Business owners have held out for 2 years waiting to see if or how Obamacare would impact them.
      They would have waited another 2 months if they knew that they would have gotten a waver. Which,they would have most certainly gotten.

      • http://timpanogos.wordpress.com/ Ed Darrell

        Business provisions kick in on January 1, 2014. That’s more than 13 months away. Why would any small business fire people today, foregoing a year’s revenue with that employee, rather than wait a year more?

        • CacheLaPoudre

          Because, as has been explained to you countless times, the fines for 2014 are based on 2013 work hours. They fire them now so they 1) don’t have to fire them at Christmas, and 2) can use the re-election as a legitimate reason to lay off because obviously the economy is about to go in the shitter.

    • tga999

      Man, for rugged individualists you guys sure are thin skinned.

    • tga999

      Man, for rugged individualists you guys sure are thin skinned.

    • Teresa Davis McCormick

      these people like vicious are just cutting and pasting their messages all day just to get attention. Let’s ignore these people and let them jump in the hole they dug. You can’t argue with people who don’t know the facts. Just welfare babies

  • Dandee

    Wait til the old folks find out there is no coverage Fo Medicare Advantage in 2014.

    • RightThinking1

      Dandee,
      I am already well aware of it, and am a Advantage insuree. Since roughly 25% of Medicare enrollees are Advantage folk, they are in for a rude awakening.

      • Teresa Davis McCormick

        hopefully some religious charities will be able to help them. Maybe the gov won’t keep them out since most are too old to procreate. this was a sad day for Christians and Jews as well as small business owners.

        • ked5

          don’t hold your breath. bozo’s regulations are also aiming at shutting down religious charities.

          • Teresa Davis McCormick

            i know…they have already done damage to Catholic Charities.

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/OTNV7AM4TW7WBJNYSUJTFSFOKE Msachtungbaby

            They sure have. Obamacare is going to hurt all Catholic Charities. Obamacare is only going to destroy.

          • Teresa Davis McCormick

            i know…they have already done damage to Catholic Charities.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Alaine-Zachar/1559601632 Alaine Zachar

            hmm, i have not heard of anything like this at all. please enlighten me about how the president plans to shut down religious charities

        • Vennoye

          When you look at the demographics, Jews mostly still voted for Obama.
          Hard to understand.

      • Dandee

        It’s tool bad we didn’t see a Romney ad about that.

        • Dandee

          Too

          • mwill

            tool works too

      • http://www.cosmicgirl.net/ Cosmic Girl

        I’m telling you….this is going to get ugly. The silver lining is that democrats won’t be able to blame it on anyone except themselves: Obamacare literally has Obama’s name written all over it.

        • https://twitter.com/Webnetcity webnetcity

          I know someone who is a big Obama supporter, her primary doctor told her he could no longer accept medicare patients because of obamacare, yet somehow, she believes that this was the fault of George Bush and republicans. (yes – jaw dropping I know)

          This election was a real wake up call for me. I’ve learned to never take for granted that most democrat supporters will hold democrats accountable for destructive democrat policies.

          They remind me of some women who stay with abusive husbands. No matter how badly he treats her or beats her, she just keeps going back.

          I think we need to accept the fact that no matter how bad things get for most obama supporters, they will find a way to blame republicans and follow their messiah right off the cliff., such is the life of a drone.

          We can only hope that some of them wake up before it’s too late.

          • http://www.cosmicgirl.net/ Cosmic Girl

            You have GOT to be kidding?! How did your friend explain herself? P.S. – I almost got a headache with that one. LOL

          • https://twitter.com/Webnetcity webnetcity

            It was the typical obama supporter explanation…
            Everything that is wrong with the world is either the fault of George Bush or Republicans.

            Logic and truth just doesn’t seem to matter when you’re dealing with people who base everything on how they FEEL.

            It’s like talking to someone who is caught up in a religious cult or something…It’s really creepy,…

          • http://www.cosmicgirl.net/ Cosmic Girl

            OMG…I know. They try to use emotion as a faculty of thought. Feeling doesn’t solve problems…thinking & doing does. LOL…it is creepy. Drives me nuts. Talking to my liberal relatives (which is almost all of them) is like trying to have a conversation with bowls of mashed potatoes.

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/OTNV7AM4TW7WBJNYSUJTFSFOKE Msachtungbaby

            Lol! About the mashed potatoes. I tried talking to my relatives, who also happen to be mostly liberal and they just don’t get it. I told one of my cousins several days before the election how Obama lied about Benghazi and she said..”All Presidents lie. Mitt Romney is not exception!” And she’s about 45 years old. You would think at that age she would be a little bit smarter.

          • redheadgrl

            Yeah, like other women I talk to that say “I can’t wait for free birth control – no copay! Yay!” Then I ask them how much their premium is each month. Then I say, you know, to pay for your “free pills”, your premiums will probably go up about $200 per month. Then they just look at my like I’m speaking to them in Romanian.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Alaine-Zachar/1559601632 Alaine Zachar

            well, there are probably multiple reasons of why her doctor no longer accepts medicare, but regardless of where she directs the blame, the doctor not being able to accept medicare is an EFFECT, it is not a cause. The cause is our flawed healthcare system- the effect is, the doctor simply cannot overcharge medicare to recoupe losses the way he can with private firms because it’s illegal to do so, and in the past 2 years the federal government has cracked down on it. The doctor can be choosy if he wants to, but after Obamacare is in full effect, and many more Americans have a government subsidized plan, he will need to either start accepting those plans as well, or he runs the risk of losing even more profit if a majority of citizens do not purchase private insurance. Right now, private insurance has no competitors, but introducing a government plan would cause them to either revise and be competitive, or continue to cater to what will be a shirnking demographic- citizens overpaying enormous amounts into private healthcare companies.

          • https://twitter.com/Webnetcity webnetcity

            Look, don’t preach that government healthcare crap to me. Save your left wing talking points for the sheep. I spent 43 years of my life witnessing up close, the effects of government, government housing. government food stamps, government, government, government.

            Government destroyed our black families, murdered millions of innocent unborn black babies, destroyed our communities and turned them into war zones full of crack heads, gang bangers and dead black men.

            You people talk about government like it’s the solution to everything, but in the end all they leave behind is a trail of destruction and death.

            So you can take all that “government can run healthcare better” propaganda and tell it to a brain-dead drone.

          • LeighLeigh

            Ahhhh, but 26 states are not expanding their medicaid because that part of the law was thrown out….if you live in a GOP state, you will only have private insurance, thank God…..the idiots that wrote this bill forgot to include any funding or a mechanism to create a federal plan…they won’t be able to afford it because the money is being diverted from Medicare to fund the Medicaid expansions in the states that accept that…..the bill is a MESS. It will collapse on itself in a short time.

          • brotherStefan

            Not sure what experience you’re speaking from… You really need to get out more.

          • James Paul

            Yeah, Republicans that have run absolutely nothing in the last 4 years except for two years of majority in the House alone……

          • sue

            I was thinking the same thing, myself, webnetcity. It’s the Stockholm Syndrome: they go along to get along, not understanding that the same group that’s obstensibly messing-over the “non-Dems”, is an equal opportunity agent. We All get it in spades, no matter our political affiliation!

          • CMGill

            @webnetcity – either you or your friend s lying. How are those toasty legs?

          • https://twitter.com/Webnetcity webnetcity

            Ladies and Gentlemen of the jury,
            In the case of “The Cult of Liberalism” v.s Reality”
            I present to you the response from Michelle Gill as EXHIBIT “A”

            I have no further comments at this time…
            The prosecution rest your honor.

          • http://www.cosmicgirl.net/ Cosmic Girl

            LOL. The left’s ignorance is breathtaking.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Alaine-Zachar/1559601632 Alaine Zachar

            Huh. that’s funny, thats the same thing the left says about the right.

          • LeighLeigh

            When all of us “crazy righties” survive the avalanche that the koolaid drinkers have gushed down their pie holes, we can sit back and watch them riot in the streets for their gubment handouts that no longer exist because the economy will have collapsed by then…suckers….

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/OTNV7AM4TW7WBJNYSUJTFSFOKE Msachtungbaby

            Uh-oh a birth control freak invaded the message board!

          • LeighLeigh

            Blinders do not benefit the horse not even in the race….take your lazy trolling ass somewhere else because you ain’t even in the race for common sense.

          • CMGill

            @webnetcity – either you or your friend s lying. How are those toasty legs?

          • James Paul

            I dont care if they follow their living god off a cliff. They are pushing everyone esle before they jump. This is the problem.

        • Joanne Ciocys

          They couldn’t blame it on anyone else if they were rational. But check out how they’re blaming small business owners who have to layoff some employees so that Obamacare doesn’t put them out of business altogether! They will invent reasons to blame others!

        • TheOriginalDonald

          If only the GOP nominated someone OTHER THAN THE GUY WHO SIGNED INTO LAW OBAMACARE BETA!!!!!!

        • TheOriginalDonald

          If only the GOP nominated someone OTHER THAN THE GUY WHO SIGNED INTO LAW OBAMACARE BETA!!!!!!

    • http://www.facebook.com/ritarobbins23 Rita Robbins

      we already know…that’s one reason I voted Romney

  • Destroy Progressives

    Good! It’s time for tough love for the O’zombies. They made their bed. They have to sleep in it! Vorwarts!

  • http://potbateman.tumblr.com/ Pat Bateman

    Damn those employees for voting to see a doctor.

    • Teresa Davis McCormick

      since her employees knew it was going to happen, then they were probably not voting for Obama care. It’s sad that people vote and make decisions for others based solely on the color of a persons skin and the Libtards of Hollywood. And by the way Mr. Bateman, trying to look all cool in your photo while supporting “big tobacco”, You need to update with your class of ignorance…..you are no longer cutting edge or alternative….you are the main stream. Of course you weren’t really cool before so you didn’t lose anything.

      • http://google.com/ FAKEXTIAN Hunter

        You should be more careful criticizing someone’s profile pic or stating they’re no longer cutting edge. Your profilpic kooks like you’ve been hitting the pork rinds nightly. You probably have a satck of DVDs of your favoriteLibtard Hollywood movies. Thanks for reaffirming Cons are what they are. Enjoy the all you can eat buffet.

        • SansMercy

          This coming from the “guy” hiding behind Tony tiger.

        • LissaKay

          Shows how much you know … pork rinds are not fattening. Derr!

    • Jamie Wilson

      They could see a doctor, just on their own dime. They could also look for another job somewhere that offers health benefits. Now they won’t have a job at all, and are unlikely to get hired. Businesses are not charities, and it is not their responsibility to ensure employees have health insurance.

      We don’t need more regulation making more businesses carry health insurance. We need less regulation, interstate sales of health insurance, and easy ways for employees to get health insurance outside of work. Ideally, your health insurance should be divorced from your workplace. How many of us have kept a miserable job just because the benefits were good? And by benefits, don’t you usually mean employer-based health insurance?

      We pay for our own car insurance in the private market, and that’s getting cheaper overall. We pay for our own home insurance, and that stays pretty stable in price. But medical insurance we generally don’t pay for and it gets more and more expensive. Tell me that’s not a problem.

      • Teresa Davis McCormick

        You said that so well. Thank you.

      • TomJB

        +1 And health insurance should be *insurance* What we have is something that pays for everything and that is why prices are so high. My car insurance doesn’t cover oil changes and tire rotations, why does health insurance cover checkups? Insurance in general helps you if you can’t afford an unexpected large expense (car accident, house falls down) so you are not completely wiped out. That is how it should be for medical insurance.

        • gr82cu2

          Health insurance used to be that way, I remember! I think what happened was when the economy was booming and everyone was hiring like crazy, companies started to offer better and better health insurance coverage in the policies to incentivize employees to come to work for them vs. somewhere else. Now people have become accustomed to it and expect it. But then I can remember when an office visit to the doctor cost $7 :)

    • http://twitter.com/jodase50 Dave Seeger

      No one, except Democrats in Congress voted for Obamacare, doorknob. They voted for President that is forcing a takeover of healthcare and shoved it down America’s throat. 60% of LEGAL Americans do not want this law.

      • CherDash

        @twitter-366227725:disqus: And the Dems voted for the monstrosity without even reading it.

    • $30423294

      Pat wants to live in a country where you have to vote to see a doctor.

      Sad.

    • carla5731

      I know a lot of people who purchased catastrophic health insurance coverage because they preferred to pay cash for routine care like a doctor visit. That’s actually a much more affordable option for many people, including young adults who tend to be healthy, because the premiums are a lot lower. Unfortunately for Americans who like choice, that option has been outlawed by the federal government.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000060158724 -Hannibal Lector-

      Dam those hospitals for turning away dying people because obamacare wouldnt save their lives

    • http://www.cosmicgirl.net/ Cosmic Girl

      What country are you talking about?! No one has to vote to see a doctor.

    • Teresa Davis McCormick

      Another returning idiot with the same message allllll day. Let’s just see if he keeps coming back. Maybe when he runs out of cigs he can sell some food stamps for money to buy more. “voting to see a doctor” ?? wtf

  • Marcy Cook

    I have a feeling that this sham of an election will be a gift in disguise. Perhaps a lesson that will last for many years to come. Do nothing – get nothing. It’s going to be rough in the meantime…but tough love works.

    • Teresa Davis McCormick

      I know it sounds drastic but dang I just can’t afford to go pay 12 bucks to see a movie anymore and I cut the old cable about a month ago. Plus I have a list of Entertainers that i will never give money too anymore. No more crap. That’s the number one gift. Let’s let them learn an economics lesson.

      • http://twitter.com/islandfeline Amanda St.Thomas

        I have been doing that for years. Why should I spend my hard earned money to support a bunch of Hollywood liberals that bash our way of life and demand that the masses get consistent handouts? Well, hopefully when people start turning off the cable and quit watching Desperate Housewives the house frau of lady parts will have to cut back too. Too bad.

        • tpatt100

          Should get a library card..

      • http://twitter.com/Justhugh2u Hugh Thomas Smalley

        just think you get to pay 12 bucks to fund plan parenthood now thks obamo care

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002109532283 Jillane Kent

        Cutting cable is one of the best things to ever happen to my household. We subscribe to GBTV and use free roku apps for anything else. Great time and money saver :)

        • Teresa Davis McCormick

          love the roku!! got 2 of them.

        • Teresa Davis McCormick

          love the roku!! got 2 of them.

        • http://www.cosmicgirl.net/ Cosmic Girl

          I have Roku and I want to keep Internet connection. I tried to get my cable cut and just have internet & continue streaming video to Roku, but Comcast won’t let me. Everything is bundled and expensive. How are you doing it? Comcast sucks.

          • http://www.koreaforniancooking.com/ Koreafornian

            You can unbundle Internet and cable w/ Comcast. We did it over 5 years ago. If you drop the cable and have internet only, your internet will be a little more expensive but your overall bill will still be lower than continuing the cable/internet bundle. Why pay for something you don’t want?
            We have a roku box, too, and watch our GBTV and DramaFever (Korean drama/TV channel) subs w/ it.
            Korean dramas and TV series have better writing, better acting and are PG (unlike most of the R rated crap on cable or even US Network TV).

          • http://www.cosmicgirl.net/ Cosmic Girl

            Cool…thanks. I love my Roku & am also thinking about getting GBTV.

      • redheadgrl

        I cut out the cable back in Jan. $100/mo was just too much for the small amount of TV I watch. If I want to see something, I watch it online the next day. And the last movie I saw in a theater was Atlas Shrugged part 1, and before that I can’t even remember. #betterthingstodowithmycash

    • RightThinking1

      Marcy,
      Lamentably, I think that irreparable damage will be done. Both Carter and Clinton certainly implemented policies that permanently damaged (and continue to damage) the country.

      Consider the economic damage wrought by Carter, the decimation of the CIA, the Dept. of Ed., the loss of influence due to mishandling of Iran, etc.
      Clinton…, what is there to say? It is a long list. At the ‘least’, Clinton brought us the CRA, which resulted in the near economic collapse that we are suffering now.
      Both of those guys were pikers compared to what the nation-killer in chief is about to do.

    • http://timpanogos.wordpress.com/ Ed Darrell

      Yeah, we learned that with Bush. That’s why we got Obama.

    • Michael Morris

      You’d think so, but you’d be wrong. They won’t learn until after it’s too late to fix anything. This was the October Revolution, but without the bloodshed.

  • Marcy Cook

    Maybe Bey and J can hire some of those people? CRICKETS…

    • carla5731

      They could definitely use a PR consultant.

      • Marcy Cook

        And a personal assistant just to clean their mouths out with soap every day.

  • SansMercy

    Generation “Freebie” is latched onto the teet of society, and there they will stay – latched, helpless and dependent with no awareness of the effort it takes to fill their glutinous addiction of consumption.

    • Jamie Wilson

      Can’t last forever. “The tree of Liberty needs to be watered from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.”That, unfortunately, is probably what we’re facing. Not a threat, but rather a prediction: resources will become scarcer, people will fight harder to get them, and eventually we’ll crash and things will really get ugly.

  • moonsbreath

    And this is a perfect example why some people shouldn’t be allowed to vote.

    • http://twitter.com/lola_lotion Alicia Hake

      I don’t know about “some” people not being allowed to vote, that goes against what this country was founded on, what women and blacks fought so hard for. I do think the minimum voting age should be changed to at least 25 because, lets face it, most people 18-24 are really really… gullible.

      • Michelle

        There are plenty gullible and ignorant in my age group too (40’s). I have quite a few friends who voted for Obama and yet, when I asked them who Eric Holder is, they had no clue. Asked them who Valerie Jarret is, again – no clue. Knowing they’d obviously know the name Hilary Clinton, I asked them what her title/position is – once again, no clue. But these same folks proudly wore their “I Voted” stickers on Tuesday and excitedly congratulated Obama when he won.

        • http://twitter.com/lola_lotion Alicia Hake

          I had a similar problem with everybody who i asked “WHY are you voting for obama”, my neighbor said because “he looks like a nice guy”, a girl I played WoW with told me (not her words) that she was voting with her lady parts, and everybody else i asked, i didn’t get an answer.

          • Michelle

            The stupidity knows no age group.

          • http://twitter.com/lola_lotion Alicia Hake

            I agree, but the older people are, the longer they have been working and busting their butts to support themselves and their families, the more likely they are to pay attention to the actual issues and educate themselves. Not all people 25+ but… a better majority than the 18-24 group. When I was 18 I voted for Gore, and in 2004 I voted for Kerry, and in 2008 I voted for obama (it hurts to say that). I didn’t even become “conservative” until after I picked up on the direction obama was taking this country. He got my vote because after 8 years of hating Bush just for the sake of hating him, and not researching much about McCain/Palin except what was on the news. I learned my lesson. This election I didn’t need to research obama, he record spoke volumes, and I did research Romney, I paid attention. I was worried during the primaries because of Santorum, if he would have gotten the nomination I wouldn’t have voted at all. I’m not a party-loyalist, I believe in picking the very best man for the job, and in my opinion it was Romney. I totally got off the point, sorry for rambling. It’s one of the things I do best :)

          • Michelle

            You and I are a lot alike Alicia. I’m a lot older than you, but learned my lessons along the way too. I voted for Bush Sr., then Clinton (twice), then Gore…but when I saw the pure hatred on the left arise during Bush’s years, I no longer wanted any part of that. I started to research candidates, starting with Kerry and said No Way. I voted for Bush that year because Kerry was an awful choice and I was sick and tired of the extreme hate on the left, I did not want them running my country. Did A LOT of research on Obama his first election, read his books, looked at his VERY short record in Congress, etc. his association with Rev. Wright, the Chicago thugs, etc. and knew right away he was one big con job and totally unprepared for the job. I knew he’d be a nightmare (proved me right), I just didn’t count on him being so destructive. I’m worried for my country.

        • CalMum

          YES! I am amazed at the know nothings that voted for this mess. During Benghazi, & speaking of 9/11/01… a friend asked me, “I still don’t understand how those pilots got into this country.” My response: “They were not pilots – they were terrorists…” Unbelievably sad days for America. Monday is Veteran’s Day – I’ll spend it with my father who walked through France with a BAR.

          • Michelle

            Educate your friend and let him/her know that at least five of those terrorists were here in expired Visas, and they were issued and expired while Clinton was President. And because our leaders do NOTHING about enforcing our immigration laws and turn the other way, those men were not deported even when several of them had been stopped by police in various states – police had no authority to check their immigration status, let alone detain them for being here illegally. And even now, when states like Arizona pass laws to give their police the authority to arrest anyone here illegally, our very own Dept. of Justice (run by the racist Eric Holder) will sue the state for having such a law.

      • Doug_Piranha

        Then try this. Everybody’s vote gets weighted according to what they paid in taxes the prior year. The more you pay, the more your vote counts.

        • Michelle

          So for folks who are under and unemployed as a direct result of Barry’s policy failures, but are normally hard-working, tax-paying, self-supporting Americans…would lose the power of their vote? I was laid off a job 2 yrs into Barry’s term and spent longer than I cared for as unemployed (for the first time in my life), and as a result, I paid fewer taxes that year because my income stopped until I was employed again, at a job where I am UNDERemployed – you’d devalue my vote because of that? I have a friend who is a registered Republican, always worked hard, always pays taxes, is a home and gun owner, has been at same job for 25+ yrs and they just kicked him down to part-time…his income was slashed in half and that means, paying less taxes because he makes less money…would you devalue his vote as well?

    • RaggedyAnn46

      I have to say that I think people who live off the dole year after year shouldn’t be allowed to vote. I’m not speaking of the elderly or truly disabled. I’m speaking of those welfare moochers who like to vote for the ones who take from the hard working to give to those who wouldn’t work in a pie factory. Obama comes to mind! After two years, or even one year of living off the dole, their voting rights should be revoked indefinitely!

      • Marcy Cook

        I think if you don’t pay taxes you should not be allowed to vote. PERIOD. If you don’t contribute to the system through your taxes, be they small or large, then you should not have the right to vote and dictate what we the taxpayers have to pay for.

        • RaggedyAnn46

          I second that!

      • Dandee

        All the house has to do is let all the Bush tax cuts expire, then everyone will be paying taxes again

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002109532283 Jillane Kent

          Given the EIC, those in even the modest brackets will still receive far more than they pay.

        • RightThinking1

          Dandee,
          True. I hope it happens. All of those who whined about the Bush cuts being ‘for the rich’ will finally get the message.

      • AMERICAN Kafir™(KAdams)

        They become the same as any other government(al) employee.

        • RaggedyAnn46

          Yep..sitting on their arses and doing nothing for the paycheck!

      • CalMum

        Drug test their asses too!

        • RaggedyAnn46

          Agree! I’ve thought that for a long time, too!

    • Kevin Krom

      Simple solution: anyone who is on government assistance of any form is ineligible to vote in any year they are receiving such assistance. Let people choose between the “goodies” and the right to vote, but don’t be surprised if the voters cut off the “goodies”.

    • NirwenElf

      I’ve always said that the only people that should be allowed to vote are those that pay income tax. Why should someone who doesn’t pay taxes be allowed to vote, especially if they receive tax-payer funded benefits from the federal government??!

  • IRAMARINE

    Since Obama won I’m not hiring the other 50% of college
    graduates!

  • rinodino

    Awwww bless the rights little heart right now it’s “we lost so we are going to take our ball and go home because our guy didn’t win” Stop it! everyone with sense knows you guys are still mad and this is a political stunt

    • syvyn11

      Okay, Tard. Let me make it simple for you. Obamacare will kill jobs with regulation and taxes. If a business cannot continue, they close down and everyone loses their job.

      Talking to you liberal scum is like talking to teenagers.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000060158724 -Hannibal Lector-

        No a teenager can actually grasp this

      • brianmouland

        Most liberals get their information from partisan trolls like Maher and Stewart. Trying to explain business to this dude is like p-ssing up a rope

    • carla5731

      If it was profitable to retain the employees, that’s what they’d do.

      • Marcy Cook

        Yes carla you are right. Business people don’t fire people who help them be profitable. They fire people because they can’t make the profits. But the liberals don’t understand how business works so they think it is some kind of “political stunt”

    • Bob Khan

      No, it really is happening. If you had bothered to pay attention to other news sources besides the liars at CBS, CNN, MSNBC and ABC you would have seen this coming too. Even Marc Faber, who has been fairly accurate in the past with market forecasts, predicts markets will slide by a minimum of 20% in the future and warns that the percentage could go much higher.

    • Teresa Davis McCormick

      once again….”political stunt” ? What is wrong with you. MSNBC trained you so well that every time you libs hear the real truth you holler out “POLITICAL STUNT” The election is over so logically all the political stuntery is over. And bless your heart too because God loves you even though you’re making fun of Christian people with your “bless your heart”

    • Marcy Cook

      Or maybe we are the ones who will get revenge…big time revenge…

    • $30423294

      Hey dave?

      We’ve been saying for the past 2 years we can’t run businesses in this climate.

      We waited until election day.

      That was pretty generous of us. The last 2 years have been terrible.

      So, while I understand your moral superiority and everything, you’re just wrong.

      It’s not too late to turn your life around.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000060158724 -Hannibal Lector-

      Yah cause everyone know money grows on trees and anyone who owns a business is a multi millionaire. Pull your head out of your ass you moron

    • tga999

      Did someone call the WAAAAHHbulance?

    • tga999

      Did someone call the WAAAAHHbulance?

    • MondaysChild76

      The Dow has been falling for the past 2 days. Is that a political stunt too? Do yourself a favor and take an economics class.

    • redheadgrl

      yeah. #econishard.

  • http://www.facebook.com/miche.va.7 Miche Va

    That’s why BO wants a business secretary…he is big on delegation, creating government positions that don’t create jobs. 30+ czars is extreme, don’t you think? The Delegater in Chief!

    • gracepmc

      I forgot — a Bidness Sekretary — we are saved!

    • http://timpanogos.wordpress.com/ Ed Darrell

      No position in federal government is a “czar,” in title or reality. 30? Someone’s not been waiting for the legalization initiatives.

      • MondaysChild76

        You claim to have worked in the Reagan administration so I’m assuming you really aren’t this dense. But just in case you are, “czar” is the unofficial title that has been given to various policy officials (usually appointed by the President without congressional confirmation) since the 1940’s. These positions usually have mile long titles such as “Special Assistant to the President and White House Coordinator for Arms Control and Weapons of Mass Destruction, Proliferation, and Terrorism” so it’s just easier to say that the person in that position is the WMD czar than to spell out all that other stuff.

        There are 38 czar positions in the Obama Administration There were 33 under George W Bush, and 11 during FDR’s terms. (They’re the top 3.) Of Obama’s 43 appointees during his first term, 33 were not confirmed by the senate. By comparison George W. Bush had 49 appointees during his two terms; 28 weren’t confirmed.

  • Timothy Noonan

    Sad that these employers are hiding behind President Obama to fire their employees.

    • carla5731

      “Sad that these employers are hiding behind President Obama to fire their employees,” said James McCarthy without ever seeing balance sheets for those businesses.

      • Timothy Noonan

        Excuses.

        • carla5731

          Using specific examples, tell me what their profit margins are and how much the health care regulations will add to their bottom lines.

          • Timothy Noonan

            They imply that if Romney won they would not have fired their employees. Obamacare was not going to be overturned day one no matter how times Romney said it if he was elected. Overturning Obamacare was not going to happen for a long time, if at all, during a Romney Admin. Thankfully we do not have to see what would have happened.

          • carla5731

            A Romney presidency, with a stronger focus on business and the economy, might have meant a faster recovery from the recession and an opportunity for increased profits. Those profits, in turn, would’ve helped to absorb the increased health care costs. Obama’s re-election means it’s likely growth will be slower and businesses will be slammed with increased costs due to ACA.

            When small business owners hire an employee, they’re investing a larger percentage of their capital into that person than a big company would. If it’s profitable to keep that employee, they will.

          • Timothy Noonan

            A lot of if and buts…Obamacare has been shown to reduce healthcare costs. Employers have already received rebate checks because of it. A bigger pool of people will reduce the cost of insurance; why larger businesses have pay less per employee than smaller businesses or an individual.

          • RightThinking1

            “Obamacare has been shown to reduce healthcare costs”

            Really? Is it too much for you to provide actual evidence of that? Mind you, I am not interested in pie-in-the-sky projections based on wishful thinking, I want to see hard evidence. Please point to any data that show anything other than increasing healthcare cost.
            I’ll wait…

          • carla5731

            Maybe if the ACA delivers on all of its cost reduction promises down the road, businesses will be able to hire again. When will that be? Can you provide proof that in the next five years everyone who owns a business won’t be swamped by health care costs if they retain all of their employees?

            The business owners cited here clearly believe that Obama administration policies will have a negative effect on their profits and are managing their business accordingly. People who own business have to do some forecasting in order to insure that they have enough reserve capital to keep their doors open. They get to make that call because they are the only ones who care about keeping their balance sheet in the black.

          • Timothy Noonan

            I think many of them are reacting to right leaning bloggers, radio, and media. If they need to reduce their employees to get below a threshold then I question their business model. If those employees are needed, and now gone, the product/service will suffer and will hurt their business way more than any perceived increase in cost induced by Obamacare. Customers will go else ware if product/service is compromised.

          • RightThinking1

            James,
            Oh, yes. While you are providing the above requested data, perhaps you can tell me what the 25% of SS recipients that are on Advantage plans are going to do in 2014 when Obama dissolves that plan in order to finance Obamacare? Do you think these seniors (who have paid into SS for ~40 years) are not going to suffer?
            Throughout the campaign Ryan repeatedly warned that O was going to grab the SS money, but the craven Left, abetted by the shielding media and gullible folk like yourself simply made fun of him. I would say that Ryan will have the last laugh, except it won’t be funny.

          • Timothy Noonan

            Obamacare is projected to cut the national deficit by over $100 billion during it’s first 10 years and over $1 trillion over the next two decades.

            http://obamacarefacts.com/costof-obamacare.php

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000060158724 -Hannibal Lector-

            Its has been shown to reduce life expectancy and thats it, you moron

          • Timothy Noonan

            How? What objective study did this and was published in a peer-reviewed journal?

          • Teresa Davis McCormick

            why are we talking about Romney again?? the election is over. Can you Liberals finally stop pointing fingers everywhere but where they belong.

          • Timothy Noonan

            Yes you are right, McConnell and Boehner deserve the finger.

          • Teresa Davis McCormick

            oh cause “cool” people voted for Obama but “awful, scary” people voted for them. LOL And you know I haven’t heard one rep say that they think Obama deserves “the finger” (DEMOCRATIC PARTY—LIVING PROOF THAT MONEY CAN NOT BY CLASS OR DIGNITY)

          • Silenttype78

            Lib-progs will always blame someone other than themselves.

          • http://twitter.com/TheAngieNC2 Angie (D)

            It’s not an implication–it’s a FACT because unlike you and Obama, Romney understands how business works & would have gotten rid of Obamacare — so yes, if Romney had won, these people would not have had to fire employees because of the costs associated with Obamacare. You don’t have to “believe” it — this isn’t religion we’re talking about — this is FACT. If you’re too stupid to understand it (and obviously you are because you supported Obama) that’s your problem.

          • Timothy Noonan

            How can anything be a FACT if Romney was not elected. We would assume he would do everything he had promised despite promising many contradictory things over his career as a campaigner.

          • Silenttype78

            He said he would issue wavers for every state on day one.
            And,yes-he could have done that,day one.

          • Timothy Noonan

            No he could issue waivers, fortunately we will never know.

    • $30423294

      Not to nitpick, James, but the Obama Administration explicitly told defense contractors to violate labor law by not giving notice of impending layoffs until after the elections.

      So you’re partially right. Some coward hid behind someone.

      No doubt about that. You’re a smart one, James!

      • Timothy Noonan

        Cite the exact quote and source.

        • $30423294

          First bring me the broomstick of the wicked witch of the west.

          Translation: do your own damn research.

          • Timothy Noonan

            Thus your statement is not true.

          • $30423294

            Crappy logic, troll. Not university material, are we?

            Sad.

          • Timothy Noonan

            Incorrect. I know you are used to making statements that people should simply believe without evidence to support the belief; I am not. What are your data to support original claim you made – You have the obligation to support it. Otherwise it just scuttlebutt.

          • Jim Denney

            Facts are hard for a liberal … just like 7th grade math.

          • Timothy Noonan

            President Clinton already taught you guys you cannot do, what is it?, oh yeah…arithmetic.

          • Teresa Davis McCormick

            Spending projections for 2013-2019 have increased by $124 billion

            In 2010, the CBO estimated that Obamacare’s spending on new programs
            would amount to $929 billion from 2013-2019, and a ten-year cost of $944
            billion. Those figures increased to $956 billion and $1,442 billion
            respectively in 2011, and $1,053 billion and $1,856 billion in 2012.

          • http://twitter.com/TheAngieNC2 Angie (D)

            The Hill – which is not a right wing source.

            http://thehill.com/blogs/defcon-hill/industry/259305-omb-tells-contractors-once-again-dont-issue-layoff-notices

            Also, Boeing laid off people today.

          • Timothy Noonan

            Guidance was given to sequestration cuts, if Congress (both sides) did their job it wouldn’t be a problem, DoD contractors were still free to do what they wanted. No violation.

          • Silenttype78

            They are DOING their jobs!
            Gridlock is OK! Gridlock is a safeguard against tyranny!
            Stop letting others do your thinking!

          • Timothy Noonan

            Gridlock is not doing their jobs, that is the problem. Just wow if you believe gridlock is the job of Congress.

          • Silenttype78

            Actually, yes gridlock is a sign of government functioning as the Framers intended.
            See, the House (the people’s house) represents the will of the people.
            The people have elected representatives to express their will.
            Elected House members are doing EXACTLY what they were sent to Washington to do!
            See Federalist 10.
            There are safeguards in place that prevent tyranny,and despite being told over and over again that either chamber of Congress is somehow “dysfunctional” or a “sign that something is wrong” nothing could be further from the truth.

            I know what I am talking about.
            “Just wow” on yourself for not knowing that gridlock is not necessarily a bad thing.

          • Timothy Noonan

            Stop. Congressmen, Senators and Representatives alike, are sent to Washington to run our government, not shut it down or make it dysfunctional by a faction of a party – The exact thing the federalist 10 paper was written to stop.

            The gridlock cost jobs and wasted money last year over the transportation bill. The debt ceiling gridlock cost us our AAA rating. Gridlock has compromised our governments ability to to work for us.

            You cannot have a party saying their primary job is to defeat President Obama – and failed at that thankfully. The gridlock is there because of spite, nothing else. Nothing noble.

          • Silenttype78

            You are wrong.
            I will not try explaining it again.

          • Timothy Noonan

            You need not explain – Your thinking is the problem. Cheers!

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000060158724 -Hannibal Lector-

            Whats it like being a complete tool who spouts bullshit without having a clue??

          • Timothy Noonan

            I’ll let you know it happens, in the mean time, please let me know. Cheers.

          • Clorinda Madsen

            Yes. By law, they have to inform employees of impending layoffs 60 days before the deadline for laying them off. You know “Hey, we MAY have to do some layoffs. We’ll find out and let you know.” If they don’t do it with 60 days notice, they face Federal fines.

            To quote from The Hill: “But the Friday guidance from the Office of Management and Budget raised the stakes in the dispute, telling contractors that they would be compensated for legal costs if layoffs occur due to contract cancellations under sequestration — but only if the contractors follow the Labor guidance.”

            The government office just told them to not follow the law and the government would compensate them for breaking it.

          • $30423294

            Bless you Angie.

        • Jim Denney

          It’s right on the same page as OBAMA MANDATES ABORTIFACIENT DISTRIBUTION BY CATHOLIC HOSPITALS you moron.

          • Timothy Noonan

            Now that is not a very Catholic thing to do, calling people morons.

    • gracepmc

      Sadder still that you believe this.

    • Michael Anderson

      Sad that half the country doesn’t understand that raising the cost of doing business means companies have to find ways to cut costs. It’s getting to the point where the only legal means of cutting costs is to reduce the number of employees. The company I work for is pretty profitable, but to stay in business we’ve had to let people go, particularly in the administration side.
      We brought on an intern engineer, now that she’s graduated I’ve begged management to hire her. We just can’t and is pisses me off.

      • Timothy Noonan

        Companies have used interns, temps, and contract employees for a long time now to save money to reduce benefit cost long before anyone heard of Barack Obama on the national stage. It is so they can keep their stock price high, increasing the dividend, and, more importantly, lower taxed bonuses higher in value in options. Be pissed that companies put shareholders ahead of product and employees.

        • Michael Anderson

          We aren’t using her as an intern, we’re letting her go because the cost of doing business is too high. We’ve already cut back in other departments. She’s smart and productive, the type of engineer you really want, years ago she would have been snapped up.

          • Timothy Noonan

            I understand Mike, but like said, I see folks not hired on permanent staff more for how it will affect the executive leadership compensation. A growing company will hire because it will help them grow their business. IF folks were using the election as the barometer then I question how solid their model was.

            If your intern is as good as you say she is she will be scooped in no time. I commend you for going to bat for her. You sound like a greater leader. We need good engineers and scientists. I work in the science field. Our country will grow more rapidlly if we invest in innovators in the engineering and science disciplines and we got to get the kids now in to it. Cheers Jim

  • $30423294

    It’s ironic that the left calls conservative economics “trickle down” theory.

    The fact is — and it’s plain for all democrats with the courage to look — that what Obama has created is a spoils system, which is far worse than some trickle down model.

    The federal, state, and local governments send their alpha hyenas to forage (i.e., to shake down the private sector) for carcasses, for scraps of meat. The hyenas feast on the carcasses until their fat little hyena bellies are full.

    A famine has begun. You fools depleted your food supply by overeating. There are far fewer carcasses to pick apart. And the ones that remain are getting thin. Some are going away to hibernate.

  • Clorinda Madsen

    I was explaining this on a Facebook conversation. Obamacare is going to cause a severe stratification of business: those “to big to fail” that Occupy and all the others hate because they are big corporations but they can afford to pay for insurance or the fines; and those 1-49 in size which are very common in places like France where they also have huge cliffs for passing that magic number 50.

    All the others will eventually close up, sell off to a bigger competitor, reduce to 49, or try to figure out the magic formula for making workers part time but still have enough work force to get the job done.

    • Jim Denney

      Ssssh … don’t let the Dummycrats hear you. Their solution will be to decrease the exemption level to 10 employees. That’ll stop the layoffs!

  • IRAMARINE

    @MEAN_MARINE Since Obama won I’m not hiring the other 50% of college graduates!

  • http://timpanogos.wordpress.com/ Ed Darrell

    Obamacare doesn’t require that they fire anybody. Nothing happened today to change the law, nothing went into effect today. These are vengeful, ill-informed people who got suckered by conspiracy nuts. Such a sad day — this could never happen in an educated America.

    • http://twitter.com/TheAngieNC2 Angie (D)

      You’re an idiot who refuses to understand how the law or business works — but of course if you did, you wouldn’t support Obama. Nothing in the law *requires* them to fire people, but the law makes it TOO EXPENSIVE to employ more than 50 people, moron. People can’t stay in business if they are LOSING MONEY. It’s not like Obama who just prints some more so we can ALL become poorer via devalued dollar.
      But you’re right — it could never happen in an “educated” America because an educated America would not have reelected Obama.

      • http://timpanogos.wordpress.com/ Ed Darrell

        If they employ 50 people, they are already obligated to provide health insurance. Obamacare does not require increases in costs of insurance, though there has been a 4% increase (that’s less than a fifth of what it was without Obamacare, by the way). If they employ fewer than 50 people, they remain exempt under Obamacare. So why are they firing people? Can you explain that, Angie? If they are losing money, it’s not the fault of Obamacare, but the fault of the GOP who have refused to pass an economy boosting jobs bill, or they are lousy business owners. So you’re saying they are being dishonest, and they’re losing money, and they decided to blame it on Obama?

        Yeah, I’d believe that. No serious small business person would fire people with an economy that’s picking up. They might lower the salary to cover more benefits, or require greater contributions from employees, but their desire to make the business grow and expand would overcome their petty, ill-informed political hatred.

        I’ll bet most of those Tweets are hoaxes.

        • http://twitter.com/TheAngieNC2 Angie (D)

          You aren’t just an IDIOT you are a complete & total idiot — no wonder you support Obama. But see my answer above.

          • Clorinda Madsen

            Let’s make the case rather than insult each other.

          • http://twitter.com/TheAngieNC2 Angie (D)

            MYOB

      • http://timpanogos.wordpress.com/ Ed Darrell

        So, are you saying that only those ready to expand to more than 50 employees are firing? Why fire anyone — just stop at 49? Why do it a year before the provision takes effect, and forego 13 months revenue? You’re not making business sense.

        • http://twitter.com/TheAngieNC2 Angie (D)

          You really are stupid, you know that? Who is talking about businesses READY TO EXPAND firing anyone? No, those businesses will just NOT HIRE ANY MORE. It’s the ones with MORE THAN 50 who are firing people to get the number to 50 and/or making workers became all part-time. Math is hard for your morons.
          That said: you are a waste of bandwidth. Troll me all you want & keep exposing your stupidity, I’m not wasting any more time on someone who can’t understand simple English (or simple math for that matter).

        • Clorinda Madsen

          Yes, companies are stopping at 49. That is why people are laying others off. Assume most of them have 50+ employees.

          Because 2013 employee hours (full/part time status) determine fines/responsibilities in 2014. They forgo revenue now to avoid bankruptcy when the law hits it and they didn’t make any changes.

          With the economy slowing down, more taxes besides Obamacare on the horizon, plus no one knows how much these plans will really cost, how can you project your revenues enough to assume that you can afford to keep 50+ employees?

    • Timothy Noonan

      Indeed.

    • http://www.facebook.com/rob.phelps.ind Robert Phelps

      They had put off reducing their employee count based on the chance that Obama care would be overturned. Now that there is no possibility of that, they have to reduce their employee count to not get fined by the government. What about that do you not understand? Oh yeah, you don’t understand business, you need to get educated. Moron!

      • http://timpanogos.wordpress.com/ Ed Darrell

        How would Obamacare being overturned reduce their costs? If they have more than 50 employees, they would be paying MORE for insurance as cost inflation rises. If they have fewer than 50 employees, they pay no difference. Can you explain what part of the law affects these businesses?

        I suspect mass hysteria.

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000060158724 -Hannibal Lector-

          You really dont have the first clue do you, get off your ass and out of your mothers house and get an education.

        • Clorinda Madsen

          Obamacare has just changed the definition of full time from 40 to 30 hours a week. In 2014, the law requiring approved insurance to be offered to all full-time employees in a company that has 50+ employees or face fines of $2000/employee over the first 30 goes in to effect. Those approved plans have tax breaks for those who buy individually but not necessarily for companies.

          If an individual/family plan on the minimum level offered costs about $10,000, then a group plan for a small company will be discounted somewhat. Either way, a company will face a minimum of a $40,000 fine or (using a heavy discount) $100,000 in approved insurance premiums. Then, if they don’t pay their emp/oyees enough and the employee part of that premium costs more than 9.5% of that employee’s take home wage, the company gets socked that same $2000/employee over the first 30.

          Then if an employee simply CHOOSES to use the government exchange over his employer’s plan, the company get fined $3000.

          The reason everyone is adjusting workforce now is that the government will use 2013 workforce hours to determine full-time status in 2014.

          Businesses have to plan ahead. It isn’t based on whether this specific employee worked “full-time” or “part-time” but how many of the aggregate employees worked 29 or less or 30+. Therefore, they can get hit in 2014 with $40,000 fine if they had 50 employees at any time during 2013.

          So employers are doing things to mitigate damage now.

          • http://www.theconservativevoices.com/ dmacleo

            The reason everyone is adjusting workforce now is that the government
            will use 2013 workforce hours to determine full-time status in 2014.

            *************
            shhh thats a secret…
            fools do not get it.

          • http://timpanogos.wordpress.com/ Ed Darrell

            Thanks for the explanation. Glad to see someone’s paying attention.

            I thought there was an “easy” button in there. I’ll have to check the law. Especially on the “employee chooses” part. The goal of the thing is to get more people covered, no penalize small businesses.

            Plus, our experience in large companies is that the reductions in absenteeism nearly make up for the insurance costs, especially with preventive care.

            But thanks for explaining instead of just carping. That helps a lot.

      • http://timpanogos.wordpress.com/ Ed Darrell

        No, morons next door to you, according to USA Today: http://timpanogos.wordpress.com/2012/11/08/utah-is-a-special-place/

    • digitalPimple

      Denial not just a river in Egypt.

      • http://timpanogos.wordpress.com/ Ed Darrell

        Denial is even a stupider reason to fire people. I thought these were business owners? They’re acting like 1848 Parisian Communists. Nuts.

        • Teresa Davis McCormick

          LOOK EVERYONE!!! I can see the headline now “OBAMA ADMINISTRATION BLAMES POOR ECONOMY ON SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS!! OBAMA CRIES “WHY CAN’T THEY JUMP THROUGH ALL THESE HOOPS?”
          well here’s the reality. Obama knows he’s breaking our backs. He’s not stupid or retarded. He wants to break us, So he can build us back up into a new utopia spoken about in his book “Dreams from my Father”

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000060158724 -Hannibal Lector-

          Stupider..??

    • Silenttype78

      This is a great example of lib-prog logic;

      Obamacare doesn’t require that businesses fire people,so therefore employers are just mean.

      Do you not understand that business owners will do what they must to remain in business?
      Why is this so hard?

      • http://timpanogos.wordpress.com/ Ed Darrell

        I don’t see any logic here. The claim is that small businesses are firing people — today! — because of Obamacare. I ask, “Why?”

        You say costs are going up. Health care costs are rising less under Obamacare than they would rise without it (we had 20% inflation annually in health care costs in 2009 and 2010, about that in 2011, 4% after the signing of the law). So costs are rising, sure — but less than they would otherwise. Are you saying these firings would have happened anyway? Then why blame it on Obamacare?

        So, I look to see if there is a provision of the law that increases costs for small business owners. I don’t find it. Fewer than 50 employees, no requirement for insurance — same as today, under current labor laws. More than 50 employees, companies are already required to provide insurance — and they’ve borne high inflation up to now — so why fire people now that costs start to be controlled?

        Is there some other provision of the law involved? I can’t find one.

        Plus, those provisions don’t go into effect mostly until January 1, 2014. That’s over a year away.

        As former small business owner, I understand exactly these problems. So far as I can see, Obamacare would have leveled the playing field for me, and brought down my costs dramatically (it’s generally very expensive to insure one or two employees, but those costs come down as far as I can calculate).

        Plus, in today’s environment, with business opportunities springing up nationwide (some, unfortunately, due to natural disaster, but still, opportunities to hire and do good service), I would want to hang on to those employees until January 2014, and hope revenues increase enough to meet any additional costs then — surely I’m not going to forego a year’s revenue in anticipation that I won’t be able to meet costs that are a stretch, but not crippling.

        So can you tell me what’s going on? Why these firings, now, with no change in the law, and with no increase in costs yet, and probably no great increase in costs later?

        • gracepmc

          Here’s a thought. Why don’t you start up a new business and test your knowledge and experience. There is just one variable — before it was the United States of America, now it is Obama’s Amerika. With your winning strategy of hanging onto employees until January 2014 and “hope” revenues increase. Perhaps you haven’t heard — Hope is not a plan.

      • http://timpanogos.wordpress.com/ Ed Darrell

        You should stop being silent and read through the thread. When I posted that, no one had risen to the challenge of providing any reason, even a half-baked reason, for laying off people 13 months before a law takes effect. It is still accurate: You can cite no provision of law that requires anyone to fire anybody; though the lead article cites a guy firing prematurely, nothing in the law itself was triggered today to make today better than, say, last week, nor December 31, 2013, to a business person planning to stay in business and make money. A couple of people have argued that they will be held accountable for the number of people on their payrolls on January 1, 2013, and that’s an explanation for why anyone would react now, instead of later; I don’t think it’s a good justification for assuming the business will be failing in 13 months, but true conservatives are not noted for being progressive even in the pursuit of profits, too often, eh?

        Do you not understand that many business owners doing what they think they must do, will often do the wrong things, for the wrong reasons? How do you think we got into this mess?

        • Silenttype78

          Free-rider provision.
          _______________________________
          Also,you may want to double check how the government contributed to the financial collapse that “got us into this mess”.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000060158724 -Hannibal Lector-

      No, socialism could never happen in an educated America, but you are living proof of its ineptitude…

    • Guest

      You are living proof that America isn’t educaated.

    • Teresa Davis McCormick

      you’ve been saying the same thing all day long. But you don’t really understand how health insurance works. The insurance companies themselves saw this coming and are going to start dropping companies one at a time. Each small business owner has their own budget and money to deal with and to say someone would just throw up their hands and close up shop because of a “conspiracy theory” is just idiotic. What is really sad is the fact that millions of people walked in to vote on tuesday because the msm scared the heck out of people by telling outlandish stories and spinning their own conspiracy theories. Do you think your insane rants will last 4 more years?? Who will you blame next?? Do you own a business?? I don’t think so. Because I’m willing to bet most small business owners make their decisions based on reality, and not on the fantasy you believe.

      • http://timpanogos.wordpress.com/ Ed Darrell

        You could check out my website and figure out that I may, in fact, have some understanding of how health insurance works, having covered the issue for a decade for the Senate Labor Committee, and having worked it for Fortune 500 companies, small companies and my own solo practice. Insurance companies are banned from “dropping companies one at a time.” I wish there were stronger controls on insurance prices, but if the insurance companies were to try what you suggest, they can jail the executives and sales people, put them away for racketeering, and take away the company.

        Do I think we will have four more years of issues while we segue to the superior care system that will put us on a competitive level with every other industrialized nation? Yes, and we’ll solve them. It’s a tragedy we didn’t get this program in 1995, so your health insurance costs would be about half what they are now, as they are in Canada.

        Who have I blamed? No one. What I have done is asked for evidence to back the wild claims made in the top post — a couple of people provided information close to those claims, but not wholly backing them. We’ve seen this before with every other major change in health care in America, and the bad information drives out the good (a form of Gresham’s Law), and small businesspeople often get stampeded into bad and costly mistakes (remember HIPAA implementation?).

        What in the world makes you think your local congressperson wants you out of business?

      • http://timpanogos.wordpress.com/ Ed Darrell

        [quote] What is really sad is the fact that millions of people walked in to
        vote on tuesday because the msm scared the heck out of people by telling
        outlandish stories and spinning their own conspiracy theories. Do you
        think your insane rants will last 4 more years??[end quote]

        Yeah, but fortunately there were more Obama voters than those scared by outlandish stories and spinning their own conspiracy theories. I don’t plan to rant against their continuing insanity, and as we’ve seen, the insane don’t give up their insanity just because they lose an election.

        Can you offer any explanation for why Germany and France have such thriving economies, and seem to be so small-business friendly, despite having real socialized medicine? Why is it they seem to be so much better able to make things work than Americans?

    • Teresa Davis McCormick

      you’ve been saying the same thing all day long. But you don’t really understand how health insurance works. The insurance companies themselves saw this coming and are going to start dropping companies one at a time. Each small business owner has their own budget and money to deal with and to say someone would just throw up their hands and close up shop because of a “conspiracy theory” is just idiotic. What is really sad is the fact that millions of people walked in to vote on tuesday because the msm scared the heck out of people by telling outlandish stories and spinning their own conspiracy theories. Do you think your insane rants will last 4 more years?? Who will you blame next?? Do you own a business?? I don’t think so. Because I’m willing to bet most small business owners make their decisions based on reality, and not on the fantasy you believe.

  • http://twitter.com/TheAngieNC2 Angie (D)

    Romney warned them & warned them — every time he spoke on the stump & at each debate (yes, even the foreign policy one he got it in there). They didn’t listen but instead voted for “revenge.” I’m sorry for each & every person who will get laid off between now & January but I sincerely hope that every last one of them voted for Obama.

  • Bob Khan

    Rule #1: Cardio

    Stock up on Twinkies folks!

    Remember, don’t shoot Bill Murray, he’s not one of the zombies.

  • Imagine2

    Lets see if I understand the previous responses. Employer coverage (or penalties) for a business with more than 50 employees to provide health insurance takes effect Jan 1, 2014 – so today Nov 7, 2012 I have to fire 10 to get under the 50 number.

    Yes I am laughing at such craziness. No wonder China, India, etc is cleaning our clock. You folks are absurd.

    BTW, I run a small business (15 years in it) with payroll for 20 right now; will scale up to 64 by Mar 2013. We do offer 80% coverage of the premium for each employee.

    • Teresa Davis McCormick

      hey come back and tell everyone how that is working for ya!! Good effing luck!! also I don’t think the woman who talked about laying off employers to stay under 50 said she just fired them off the bat. they knew it was coming.

    • marcellucci

      Selling Girl Scout Cookies does not make you a small business……

    • Clorinda Madsen

      You have to fire them now if you don’t want to get fined in 2014. Hours worked in 2013 determine fines in 2014. If you can afford the insurance, fine. Stay there. Keep hiring. But others cannot. So they have to get to exempt status to save on their bottom line. Also, look out. Even one employee who chooses to stay on his personal or government exchange plan and gets subsidies will cost you $3000. If they go over the 90 day wait period and forget to cancel, you will get fined $3000, even if it is just for one day.

      Plus, lots of gotchas aren’t in the law. They are in the regulations and definitions that are still being created and will continue to be created as time goes on.

      I wish you luck. If you can stay in business, good for you.

  • vespo08

    Elections do have consequences. The complicit media did their job in covering for Obama these past 4 yrs, since they all share the same ideology. As we look back Obama was masterful in talking about his Failed Presidential record and the sheeple followed right along. Now as the dust settles, businesses do what Washington DC does not and cannot do, look to the future and see how they can remain in business by cutting spending and cutting expenses. The largest expense easy for business to identify is Obamacare. So we start cutting expenses, which means we cut staff. Unfortunately there will now be less taxpayers to fund Obama’s scheme’s and he will be forced to have everyone pay their “fairshare”, as the economy sinks further! Will America survive the next fours years of deficit spending, while the Obama’s live large? I hope so?

  • digitalPimple

    Good luck. Don’t blame me. I voted for Mitt. Good luck to those in this economy.

    • http://twitter.com/TheAngieNC2 Angie (D)

      I swear instead of that classy & gentlemanly concession speech I wish he had just come out and said “Those unemployed & those who soon will be, good luck.” And that’s it.

      • Bob Khan

        Would have been interesting, but that would have been way outside of Mitt’s character. He is a genuinely nice guy.

        • Hiraghm

          “The nation doesn’t need good losers. It needs tough sons of bitches that will get out there and win.” – paraphrasing ADM Jonas Ingram

  • $30423294

    Note the proliferation of trolls assigned to twitchy to preemptively deflect blame and lower the bar for their failed president.

    The narrative takes shape: Obama’s second term is a miserable failure because businesses collapsed just to spite the president.

    What a disappointment this godawful Democrat party is.

    • Silenttype78

      Exactly!

    • The_Original

      It has become of the party of “me first” people. They are lead by the worst of them of them all. He beats all of them with his level of arrogance. I will not listen to one word he says for the next five years. He makes me sick.

      • RaggedyAnn46

        I agree with you. No TV news for me, and I’m sorry to say that includes even conservative news because I can’t tolerate another moment of him!

    • javamon

      what a joke this Republican party is that ran so far to the extreme right that they couldn’t beat the most vulnerable incumbent President since Carter. The irony is that if Huntsman had won the nomination, he’d be president.

      • LeighLeigh

        Not a chance…Romney was a great candidate, but the takers voted for Santa Claus and don’t want to work for their 45,000 a year in government handouts…..

  • LissaKay

    It’s heartbreaking … for those who knew, and rejected the pipe dreams that Obama was promising. For those who voted for this? Or stayed home? Not so much. Tough … deal with it.

    Here’s more: http://t.co/M9yTwL3m – Darden Restaurants tests hiring more part-time workers to cut Obamacare costs

    Me, my job may go overseas. No telling yet. And I work for a Fortune 10 company that self-insures and probably has a waiver. My husband’s job may just disappear. It’s a 5 person company. No benefits or insurance.

    Those who have been laughing at us for planting a huge garden, canning the output, getting chickens and goats, buying a generator to run the well-pump and water heater, stocking up on first aid supplies and ammunition …. don’t come crawling to us when it all goes to s–t.

    We. Told. You. So.

    #WTYS

    • Dandee

      Waivers were only good for a limited time.

      • Silenttype78

        A.You realize that they can be extended right?
        And-
        B.Once the economy picked up (which it would have) lib-prog Senators would have seen the writing on the wall and repealed Obamacare.

        • Dandee

          There is no reason to extend now. Obama won. The economy isn’t going to be picking up. The people with money are going to hang on to it for 4 more years. Doctors are retiring early and layoffs are coming. I see the Keystone Pipeline is being discussed again. Lol. I hope those coal states are proud.

      • LeighLeigh

        Do you all realize that the entire law is currently being broken up into pieces, separated out, and lawsuits are being filed one by one? That injunctions are being filed also? The waivers is being sued by itself, because it is not fair to choose one company to be exempt but not others..if a law is a law is a tax…then it must be apportioned equally….political payback is not allowed….the unions are going to have to be our plans and have to pay for them just like everybody else.

    • The_Original

      I know someone who is in that boat.

      My family is going to start a HUGE garden and talking about getting some beef and pigs along with milk cow. I live in the country. When gas hits $10 a gallon, so will milk because those costs go hand in hand.

      • http://www.facebook.com/lauren.meachercoon Lauren Meacher Coon

        Try goats, they are less expensive than cows and will forage for brush and trees as opposed to cows that only eat grass and hay. you will still get a good amount of milk. And left over milk can go to chickens and pigs.

        • Ed Minchau

          Birds cannot digest milk.

      • http://www.facebook.com/ritarobbins23 Rita Robbins

        start watching doomsday preppers…they have some really good ideas on storage and how to make things..

      • Beth

        Don’t forget to use heritage seeds that can be saved from year to year, from places like Heritage Seeds, Baker Creek, Seed Saver, etc. There is a ton to choose online.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002497325638 Shaniqua Barns

      The same here! Also, when someone breaks into your house and you don’t have a gun…don’t call me to borrow mine!

    • http://twitter.com/Vandymancan Jason VanderRoest

      let them crawl back to you…they will make a great human shield

  • Silenttype78

    Watch the unemployment rate….

    Lib-progs aren’t very good at drawing logical conclusions.
    Conservatives-If A happens,then B will follow…(Obama’s reelection means Obamacare will be implemented,along with more regs and taxes.This makes doing business harder and more costly. I may have to let people go)

    To a lib-prog- If A happens,then B only follows because of evil rich (white) people…or Bush,or Romney.

    • The_Original

      Wait until all the defense companies start laying off their employees due to defense cuts. We are heading quickly to a minimum 12% employment, not including the underemployed or those who have just given up.

      I had to laugh at someone I know who was a rabid Obama fan . . . for very stupid reasons. She hasn’t had a job for almost 3 years and keeps not getting good interview opportunities. She now has even less chance to get a job.

      • Silenttype78

        Sounds like she voted with her lady parts. :/

      • Hiraghm

        When that happens, and the Obamabots start getting desperate (and therefore vicious), offer them Article 2, section 1, clause 5 of the Constitution, along with impeachment proceedings…

  • Baba Ghanoush

    It is against the law to hire candidates based on their political party affiliation?

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000060158724 -Hannibal Lector-

      Its against the law to rape the american small business owner with fines, taxes and forces expenses

    • lance

      But not to fire them.

  • medicinewomantwo

    This is nothing wait until the Obama devoted big donors start slamming out pink slips to compensate the $$$$ they are losing……many voters forgot, personnel are expendable to stay afloat……just ask Boeing………………

    • Hiraghm

      Only until Directive 10-289 is implemented for the duration of the emergency.

      • medicinewomantwo

        Very True………..

      • 4joachim

        For the uninitiated, Directive 10-289 is ratified

        roughly halfway through Atlas Shrugged as an emergency measure.

        It locks the economy in place.

  • The_Original

    I was going to hire, but now I am going to have to layoff at least one employee. I may still have to close my business and declare bankruptcy.

  • Teresa Davis McCormick

    What really is scary is his Foreign Policy beliefs. I hope our allies like Israel and South Korea can withstand the next 4 years without a major incident. Praying for them.

    • javamon

      which beliefs are these that you find so scary?

  • Dandee

    Considering Obama got 70 percent of the Latino vote, I wonder if they figured any of this out yet or think amnesty is the only issue to vote on.

    • medicinewomantwo

      Well my mexican M-I-L who is in her 80’s almost smacked my family member who was helping her when ask if she wanted to vote for Obama….trust me the translation was guaranteed to get us kicked out if over heard.

      • LissaKay

        Ha! I can just see that. One of my sons-in-law is from Mexico. His grandma is feisty like that too.

  • LissaKay

    This was just posted by a friend on my Facebook wall:

    “Everyone please pray for my good friends….they have 4 young kids and both worked for the same small business for over 10 years: Their employer was forced to lay off the wife this morning with 13 others and left the husband employed but downgraded to part-time along with the rest of his employees to under 29 hours a week to stay under the 50 full-time employees under Affordable Care Act to keep from paying fees….The owner met with several other small business owners in the previous weeks and kept an open dialog with his employees….The other small business owners are having to do the same but are offering to try to find them jobs in other places if possible…If you know of any jobs in Portland, Oregon let me know…luckily, they should qualify for unemployment which should be enough between unemployment and 1 part time job to pay at least their mortgage payment….Please keep them in your prayers and hearts through this transition as well as any other who will be effected by this….”

    • http://timpanogos.wordpress.com/ Ed Darrell

      That provision doesn’t take effect until January 1, 2014. This employer can’t read a calendar?

      • LissaKay

        The increased costs and taxes have already started. My portion of the premium for my employer-provided health insurance already went up 20% this year, it goes up another 15% next year. The year after that? Who know? I might not even be working then ….

        • http://www.cosmicgirl.net/ Cosmic Girl

          They really should change the name of the “Affordable” Care Act. I pray that things work out for your family. I feel angry and sad at the same time.

      • AWomaninTX

        You don’t wait “until” when you’re a business owner. You do what you have to when it’s best for the company as a whole.

      • texasgrandmom

        But selelius could pass a rule that looks at the number of employees as of Jan 1 2013 in order to determine requirement on Jan 1 2014 – arbitrary, sure, but no more arbitrary than the abortion mandate.
        Employers would be smart to get their structure in place by Dec 31, this year.

    • The_Original

      That is so sad. Unfortunately, I think we all knew it would happen. My small business is going to make some hard decisions soon. We have to find a way to survive. We can’t be thinking of anyone else, but survival of our business.

    • AMERICAN Kafir™(KAdams)

      Those business should band together and ‘rotate’ their staff… if there’s 10 at each place, provided they are similar, have them work interchangeably at each place. 20 hours at one, and 20 hours at the other, = 40 hours. The businesses still get 40 hours of manpower. They’d probably shut that down too, though.

  • Streetiebird

    Wow, although some of these people may be firing people for financial reasons, it seems like most are just firing people out of spite. Must be those “compassionate” conservatives I’ve heard so much about…

    • medicinewomantwo

      I don’t know, can you contact them for us and let us know, since their party status isn’t given.

      • http://timpanogos.wordpress.com/ Ed Darrell

        I’ve written to several of the “people” listed above — no responses yet. Are these fictitious Tweets?

        • medicinewomantwo

          Not everyone lives on line..I am off today when I am on Duty for 12 hours I am out of contact for up to 20……Don’t know, I know the news from Small Business Association is heart breaking………

        • Maria Seeger

          Be very careful sending out tweets to some of these folks. I just got my Twiiter account suspended because apparently I was too enthusiastic in replying to some tweets. I asked Twitter to deactivate it. Never liked Twitter much anyways, so no loss. I’ll continue to come & read here.

          • CacheLaPoudre

            By “enthusiastic” I assume you mean belligerent and threatening.

      • disqus_LASIg6epmj

        I have a feeling that these owners were hanging on to a hope that they wouldn’t have to deal with O-care and higher taxes, but now they see what’s in store for the next 4, they can’t afford to keep employees and keep their business.

        • medicinewomantwo

          When the 30 Full time Law got signed(more like a socialist France) it totally changed the playing field for smaller business owners………..

          • http://www.theconservativevoices.com/ dmacleo

            way too many people do not know about that little killer.
            not that they would bother to care enough to find out.

    • The_Original

      I guess you don’t understand what it takes to run a business. I am a small business owner. The regulations and garbage that is coming down the road including Obamacare will make it almost impossible for me to continue as I have been going. I was holding on hoping BO would be defeated. I may just now give up.

      And please don’t come knocking on my door for any help when a gallon of milk hits $10 gallon. That is coming as soon as a gallon of gas hits $10 a gallon.

      • Streetiebird

        K bro, you must be one of the ones who won’t wait and see how it effects you, you’ll just fire people out of spite like the guy in Vegas since FOX told you to. Got it.

        • Clorinda Madsen

          Businesses can’t wait until the effects hit them for them to make a decision. They have to plan based on given information. Information right now shows that they downsize to under 50 to remain exempt, go to part-time (under 30 hours) workers, before 2013 or face consequences in 2014 that they cannot currently afford based on current business projections.

          If a Hurricane warning comes do you prepare for it, or do you wait to see how it affects you. The longer you wait, the more difficult it is to prepare. If you wait too long then, everything could be lost instead of just some things.

          • YeahWeWill

            If you are FEMA you do, even with Obama to cut through the “red tape.” How’s it working out right now in the east?

        • YeahWeWill

          You assume the employer in Vegas fired out of spite. That’s what happens when liberals try to think.

          • Streetiebird

            And you assume that they didn’t. To each their own I guess.

          • Maria Seeger

            You *prefer* to think that the employer fired his employees out of spite, because then you can retain your rose-colored glasses and continue to deny that one day, you too, will be out of a job. That’s assuming you’re actually working right now. Of course, if you’re a small business owner yourself, you’ll keep living in denial until you start losing money and it becomes impossible for you to keep your staff on any longer…right? All in the name of compassion.

          • Streetiebird

            Yeah, I do think that, because even if Romney won, he may not have been able to change the course of the Affordable Care Act. This guy was poised to fire people ONLY if Obama won. And he chose to make it news because he is anti-Obama.

          • Maria Seeger

            Romney was set to repeal ObamaCare. Yes, he could have stopped it dead in its tracks and gone back to square one; this time with a truly bipartisan approach. And there’s nothing wrong with this guy firing his employees, it’s called having foresight. It’s been known for months how Obamacare was going to affect small businesses. And oh by the way you didn’t answer my unspoken questions…namely “are you currently employed?” and/or “Do you own your own small business?”

          • Streetiebird

            I am employed and do not own a small business. I work for a company that cares for its employees and already provides healthcare, and will also absorb any potential costs of Obamacare without resorting to firing the very people that make their business work. We are run by a largely Conservative executive staff, but they’re not pulling firing stunts like this character in Vegas.

          • Clorinda Madsen

            They are absorbing the costs because they have examined their business model, looked at their forecasts and determined that, so far, they can survive and move forward. If they ever determine that they cannot maintain profitability, somebody or several somebodies will go.

          • Streetiebird

            So far we can survive. If costs actually decrease as some are projecting, then we can hire more people without changing a thing. I love my Obamacare! :)

          • YeahWeWill

            Well then it’s no sweat off your back is it. You’re taken care of so no matter what happens to others, you think you’ve got your piece of the pie. So much for your professed care and concern about your fellow citizen; that was just BS.

          • http://twitter.com/DaveBorlandPhD Dave Borland

            Not yet. Once the costs impact them by lost business because OTHER companies have stopped using YOUR company you might be singing another song

          • Streetiebird

            We’ll see won’t we :)

          • Streetiebird

            Also, by “bipartisan” I assume you mean 100% conservative driven. Obamacare contains pretty much every idea EITHER side has had in the last decade to repair our failing healthcare system.

          • YeahWeWill

            Ironic; You’re lib and a CYNIC. WHY? Because you know how libs play?

          • Streetiebird

            LOL you’re precious :) Thanks for stopping by.

    • torpedoman2002

      Which would you rather have small business fire a few people to get under 50 employees, or keep them and go bankrupt due to Obama care and all 60 or 70 employees are without a job? If this was out of spite they would fire everyone and run the business alone or just go out of business. They have to make a profit or close their doors. Simple math but Liberals does not know simple math or business finance and they don’t care to learn. They would rather stay dumb and receive that government check once a month.

      • Streetiebird

        “A Las Vegas business owner with 114 employees fired 22 workers today.” This guy seems to be doing it out of spite, NOT to get under 50 employees. And Conservatives don’t understand how much it sucks to live without health insurance in the USA. They would rather stay dumb and let people die.

        • Clorinda Madsen

          Really. I don’t understand what it is like to live without insurance? Tell me how my doctor didn’t officially diagnose me with asthma so I wouldn’t have a pre-existing condition until I got insurance. Tell me how my family didn’t to pay full price for an appendectomy for me because we didn’t have insurance.

          Where is this magical plan that all conservatives have so that we have no empathy for those without insurance??? I kind of need it right now.

          Perhaps this Las Vegas owner can afford insurance for 92 employees or fines up to $124,000, but cannot afford $44,000 more in fines or the cost of insurance for 114 employees.

          When businesses lay off for a financial reason, they lay off to get themselves into the black. Where ever that line of maintaining optimum profits versus overhead is, that is what they will cut back to.

          • Streetiebird

            So I guess you’re siding with the folks who believe it will cause healthcare premiums to rise. I’m of the opinion that over time the premiums will actually fall. So until we see what happens we won’t know who’s right will we?

          • YeahWeWill

            That’s logical. Sounds like passing Obamacare without reading all of the pages.; Wait,, they did! Would you sign a contract without reading everything? I bet you would.

          • Streetiebird

            Actually the Affordable Care Act was fairly transparent and remains so to this day. Unlike the Patriot Act which actually took away our freedoms. But whatevs, you’re free to not like giving your fellow Americans access to healthcare.

          • Maria Seeger

            Actually it wasn’t, and it’s still not. Go ahead and go online and find the thing…over 1,000 pages of it. And tell me you understand all of the provisions. I read the first few pages and the first thing I learned was that if I switched jobs I could not keep my current insurance but neither could I be enrolled into my new employer’s insurance because they were not going to be allowed to enroll any new people, so I would have no choice but to opt into the governmtne healthcare plan *whether I wanted to or not*. This thing is about as transparent as mud, but I’m sure you know what you are talking about because you read the whole thing and know it inside and out, right?

          • Streetiebird

            heh :) Good try. I approve of Obamacare and I think it didn’t go far enough. Obama used many Republican ideas in crafting it, and caved time and again, especially when it came to the public option. You claim there is a government healthcare plan but since you’re the expert you must realize there is not one.

          • Maria Seeger

            Of course there isn’t one *yet*. Creating a single payer healthcare system is the goal of Obamacare. Approve of it all you want, the truth is that the majority of the American public not only never had a say in getting this thing implemented, it was literally crammed down our throats by Harry Reid and Nancy “We won’t know what’s in it until we pass it” Pelosi. So I wasn’t speaking amiss. Obama lied when he said if we liked our insurance we could keep it.

          • Streetiebird

            The single payer system was a part of the original Affordable Care Act because it would have forced the for-profit system to compete with a not-for-profit system. And conservatives really love profiting off of our sick, it would be a shame to let all that suffering go to waste.

          • AMERICAN Kafir™(KAdams)

            Like… having to wait a year for a hip replacement isn’t suffering? Shit, I would think that the reason the hip needs to be replaced, is that something is wrong with the original one, and that sounds pretty painful. That’s not suffering?

          • Maria Seeger

            Prove it. I don’t see premiums falling, but I *do* see more and more doctors and hospitals refusing to carry Medicare patients. One of my doctors no longer covers MedicAid patients under 18. You seriously expect these people to work more hours with less pay all in the name of compassion? Give me a break….oh, yes, and don’t forget…each of the 22 employees that just got laid off is eligible for unemployment insurance.
            It makes me chuckle when people like yourself tell people like me to leave the room because “the grown-ups have taken over”. I suppose you think that describes you, right? You won’t be happy til we’re all single payer like the Canadians & Europeans who all come here for treatment because we have the best facilities in the world and no waiting in line. Only this time, *we* won’t have any place to go…we’ll be stuck with the same mediocre health system all of those countries are. Happy yet?

          • Streetiebird

            Sure thing, here’s a good read about all the myriad ways in which Obamacare will reduce the amount we spend on healthcare: http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/28/opinion/horwitz-levy-obamacare/index.html

          • Maria Seeger

            Nice bit of propoganda you have there. Too bad it won’t come close to matching the reality of single payer insurance and the National Health System a la Canada & Great Britian that Obama wants us to go to. And no place for the Hollywood rich & famous…oh wait, I forgot…since they supported Obama they are more “equal than us” (Remember Animal Farm?)…so they can well afford to have the *quality* medical care than the rest of us peons are going to be deprived of.

          • Streetiebird

            I would prefer a single payer insurance system, with expensive luxury private healthcare competing with it. But the Republicans detest competition when it comes to government, because someone should be making a profit off of all these sick people right?

          • Maria Seeger

            That’s a nice fantasy you have going there. Haven’t you realied by now that the 99% will be on the single payer system with its long waiting lines and waiting months for an appointment and to get treatment? That’s what the National Healthcare System is in Britian & Canada. On the other hand, the only individuals who will be able to afford that expensive luxury healhcare are the hated 1%ers…but, no doubt you *are* one of the 1%’ers, right? Not one of the peasant 99% like the rest of us.

          • Streetiebird

            I like your fantasy too :) Although in the UK you have to wait a long time for non-life-threatening problems like needing a hip replaced, the system actually works very well for emergency treatment and normal doctor visits. I would LOVE to have their system instead of ours where thousands of people die each year because they didn’t have access to basic care. I am most definitely in the 99%, but would still like to see a not-for-profit healthcare system instead of the profit-driven deathpanels we have today.

          • AMERICAN Kafir™(KAdams)

            Don’t have access? They have a phone and 911. Basic care? Attribute it to laziness. I know, I’m one of the lazy ones… well, not really. I work, but I can’t afford basic care. I still have access to it, despite your claim.

          • redheadgrl

            more people die from surgical complications in the US than from not getting care. It’s equivalent to a full 747 crashing each month.

          • Streetiebird

            So you’re saying, why bother? I’d rather try to save the 747 than let it crash. As many as 44,000 people die each year from lack of healthcare.

          • redheadgrl

            I’m not saying “why bother”, but I think you might be surprised when the 44,000 number increases due to lack of providers. Just because people will now be “covered”, does not guarantee care. It’s simple supply and demand, more patients, less doctors = higher number of deaths.

          • Streetiebird

            So now you’re saying that demand will not cause supply to increase? I thought Conservatives had a better handle on this whole free-market thing…

          • redheadgrl

            there’s a difference in free-market demand which does increase supply, and forced demand, which usually causes price increases and shortage in supply. Doctors aren’t going to work for free, my friend. Doctors aren’t going to work with decreasing profit margins, increased audits, and lower cash flow. Look around and see how many private practices are closing up, older doctors retiring earlier than planned, and group practices selling out to large hospital systems.

          • Emily May

            This is the healthcare system we have in Australia…though we don’t pay for the ‘basic government model’, we can buy private health insurance..

          • Streetiebird

            How do you like it? Here in the states we have thousands of people die each year from preventable problems. It makes me feel sick inside.

          • Streetiebird

            How do you like it? Here in the states we have thousands of people die each year from preventable problems. It makes me feel sick inside.

          • Emily May

            This is the healthcare system we have in Australia…though we don’t pay for the ‘basic government model’, we can buy private health insurance..

          • Emily May

            I’m sorry, but I really have to add my two cents worth here…you’re all bitching and carrying on (for or against) universal health care, right? That’s what the basic argument is about? I live in Australia, we have universal health care…yes, it can take a long time on a list to see a doctor as a public patient in a public hospital…but, we also have facilities which are world class…we may not be part of Europe or Canada (the people going to the US for health care?) but we share their policies for coverage…I have no problems waiting for a year or so to see a surgeon for a procedure that isn’t life threatening…if I have something wrong that IS life threatening, I go to the nearest hospital and am admitted straight away and given world class care…this is what you DON’T want in USA? I’m sorry, but I’m confused…the only coverage we have on medications is the Pensioner Health Benefits list, and if a medication is on that list, and you have a government health care or pension card, you pay a subsidised amount, if you don’t have those cards, you pay full price (and yes, I have in the past had to pay $100+ for a week’s prescription)…the doctors who bulk bill medicare do not lose money, because they group together into surgeries to share costs…I guess, the main point of my rant is that just because a health system is universal that doesn’t mean it’s second-best!

          • doc255

            Have you ever tried to tell an American that they have to wait a year for anything? Oh no, these folks think they’re going to get whatever they want, whenever they want it. Boy, are they going to be disappointed…

          • Emily May

            I’m sorry, but I really have to add my two cents worth here…you’re all bitching and carrying on (for or against) universal health care, right? That’s what the basic argument is about? I live in Australia, we have universal health care…yes, it can take a long time on a list to see a doctor as a public patient in a public hospital…but, we also have facilities which are world class…we may not be part of Europe or Canada (the people going to the US for health care?) but we share their policies for coverage…I have no problems waiting for a year or so to see a surgeon for a procedure that isn’t life threatening…if I have something wrong that IS life threatening, I go to the nearest hospital and am admitted straight away and given world class care…this is what you DON’T want in USA? I’m sorry, but I’m confused…the only coverage we have on medications is the Pensioner Health Benefits list, and if a medication is on that list, and you have a government health care or pension card, you pay a subsidised amount, if you don’t have those cards, you pay full price (and yes, I have in the past had to pay $100+ for a week’s prescription)…the doctors who bulk bill medicare do not lose money, because they group together into surgeries to share costs…I guess, the main point of my rant is that just because a health system is universal that doesn’t mean it’s second-best!

          • redheadgrl

            Not to mention all the RAC and MAC audits providers and hospitals have to deal with, talk about adding costs! A RAC/MAC can request 600 records for audit every 45 days. MAC holds payment until the charges are approved, RAC comes in after and finds “overpayments” and “take back” the money from the provider/hospitals. Large facilities have had to add at least 1 if not 2 FTEs to comply with the regulations. And, with payments being withheld for several months, private practice and hospitals don’t have the cash flow needed for capital expenditures, growth, equipment, etc. That’s why providers are starting to refuse MediCare/MediCaid patients.

          • doc255

            Of course they’ll fall, nitwit. As long as there are any private insurers left standing, the government will undercut them, because they can. Private companies have to make a profit to stay open, whereas the government can always print more money, right? Guess what will happen just as soon as the last real insurance company is driven out of business and we end up with a Single Payer system? No choice….and the government will be able to charge whatever they want…..

          • Streetiebird

            With a name like “doc” I’d think you would understand the medical system a little better. Some things just shouldn’t be driven by profit, like life and death. That’s why we socialized the fire departments ages ago. People were dying in the name of profit, and together we all agreed it was unconscionable. Conservatives are taking the stance that free enterprise should just be allowed to play out when it comes to saving people’s lives, and I strongly disagree.

        • torpedoman2002

          I pay for my own insurance. I have more control over my options and I don’t have to fear of adjustments made by the company. Yes it takes a large chunk out of my check but it’s cheaper than no insurance. How do you know he is doing it out of spite. He has until Jan 1 to get below 50 employees and maybe he intends to spread it out instead of making one big layoff. Businesses need to make a profit to keep the doors open. People were warned this would happen, Every conservative journalists, conservative voters, and even Romney and Ryan warned of layoffs if Obama wins reelection and Obama care is not repealed. You were warned. To quote Obama “Elections have consequences”.

          • Streetiebird

            Good for you. I’m just glad Romney didn’t win, he would have left millions without healthcare, would have gutted the federal government by starving it of funds, and would have passed all the pain down to the middle class by way of killing social programs. I think the minor inconvenience of having to treat people’s illnesses is better than the alternative of continuing to let people suffer and die by preventable diseases and other problems. But Conservatives seem FAR more interested in personal profit than in giving their fellow Americans a chance to get treatment when they fall ill.

          • torpedoman2002

            Millions of people show up in emergency rooms all across america and get treated. Most leave without paying and their bill is usually reduced or written off. Yes it’s because they don’t have insurance,. People are being treated and without Obama care. However when unemployment is in the double digits and stay there, remember you are glad Romney lost. Remember this when seniors lose their medicaid advantage in 2014 because Obama needed the money for his Obama care you are glad Romney lost. Don’t complain WHEN this happens just accept it because the ONE was reelected. Elections have consequences.

          • Streetiebird

            Emergency rooms are by FAR the most expensive way to administer healthcare. All of that cost is passed on to taxpayers. And you’re still running with the lie about the $716 billion in SAVINGS that will allow medicare to be solvent for another EIGHT years. The same SAVINGS that Ryan had in his plan until they realized it would be better politically to let Medicare die eight years earlier just so they could like about the savings. And I will remain glad Romney lost :) Four more years!

          • doc255

            And where do you think that people are going to get their health care when Obamacare officially goes into effect and the system is floode with another 30 million or so brand new health care recipients and there aren’t enough providers (ie; family docs, NPs, PAs) to take care of them all? If someone with a cough calls my office for an appointment, I’ll be able to squeeze them in for a 5 minute appointment (which actually takes 20 minutes due to the amount of documenting that is required for me to actually get paid by the insurer), they might be lucky to be seen in a day or 2. After Obamacare, they’ll be lucky to be seen in 3 or 4 weeks. By that time, they will either recover on there own or they’ll be dead….

          • Streetiebird

            You mean demand won’t cause supply to increase? Get real… I thought Conservatives understood these Ayn Rand principles better than that.

          • doc255

            I’d say that thousands of small businesses closing or cutting back on their workforce is more than a “minor inconvenience”. But that’s just me…

          • Streetiebird

            Yeah, it’s just you :) Those cutting back must either be struggling already, or doing it out of spite if they can’t afford $750 per employee per year.

        • Michael Anderson

          He could have fired 64 employees to get under 50. Instead he apparently fired as few as possible to still be able to pay the bills. Obamacare raised the cost of doing business, he could either keep going and later this year close down putting 114 people out of work or put 22 people out of work.

          • Streetiebird

            If he can’t afford an extra $750 per YEAR per employee then he must not have been doing very well to begin with…

          • doc255

            Where did you come up with that BS number? Did the talking heads on mslsd give it to you?

          • Streetiebird

            HAHAHA cute :) that’s the fine for not providing insurance for your employees, try to keep up!

        • AMERICAN Kafir™(KAdams)

          Gee. I’m conservative, and sadly, I can’t afford health insurance. I do whatever I can to stay healthy so I don’t have to go to the hospital. It doesn’t really suck for me. I haven’t needed medical attention for quite a few years now.

          • Streetiebird

            Wow, living on the edge! You know you’ll get old someday right?? I want to see you insured! Even if it costs me a little extra….

          • AMERICAN Kafir™(KAdams)

            No, it’s just that I’ve paid for insurance in the past, but never needed it. I still don’t need it, so I don’t have it. Most doctors still will take cash over insurance… at least for now. Not only that, but they sometimes charge much less for the service, if you aren’t using insurance. That will probably change, though.

        • doc255

          How about I know more conservatives without insurance who pay cash for their medical care, prescriptions and such (including myself) than liberals. For some reason, the liberal who thinks nothing of dropping a couple of hundred dollars on their hair and nails, won’t part with a dime when it comes to their health. And they are the same ones who think that everyone else should pay for their stupidity and poor decision-making (smoking, drinking, drugs, promiscuity, etc.)

          • Streetiebird

            Why would you pay cash for medical care when you could have insurance?

    • tga999

      Honestly I’m impressed these people have been able to hold together the businesses for so long considering their obvious mental instability.

      • Streetiebird

        Let’s be fair, they’re biased and angry, not unstable.

        • AMERICAN Kafir™(KAdams)

          Not angry, and certainly not biased. It all comes down to this, really: Your perception of things, isn’t my reality, no matter how much you want to make it so. Objectively speaking, you yourself are biased, and therefore, everything you perceive is also biased. I could say the sky is blue, and this is why, but something in there, to you, would probably seem to be biased.

    • tga999

      Honestly I’m impressed these people have been able to hold together the businesses for so long considering their obvious mental instability.

  • Socal71

    That is a good idea… fire liberal employees. It’s not like they are valuable to any company anyway. Seriously, do we need that many janitors? I don’t think so… People that voted Obama want to be taken care of anyway. Let’s do our part and give them a hand.

  • orringtonmom (D)

    my husband is unemployed. he applied and interviewed for a job a couple months ago but didn’t get it. yesterday we learned that people are being laid off. he would have been the first to go, i’m sure. but let’s pretend it is all fake. yeah, that will fix it.

    • torpedoman2002

      As long as the lazy can get their free stuff that is all that matters in Obama land. To Oblinders are firmly in place.

    • redheadgrl

      Hang in there!

  • 4joachim

    saddest of all, about this junk, is that obamreidpelosiclintons are happy
    as clams because it means their cloward and piven plan is almost
    complete

    …thanks obamreidpelosiclintons

    • YeahWeWill

      What happened to the “75%” of the population that screamed against Obamacare when it was up for vote? Where did they all go? Have they all converted?

      • nc

        It’s a Miracle!

        Not!

      • nc

        It’s a Miracle!

        Not!

  • 4joachim

    let us all stop calling it obamacare and begin today to call it by it’s real name..

    obamacareless

  • Felina Flash

    When the government gets too heavy to lift, you stop trying to lift it. That’s the thing about reality, Even when you don’t believe it, it doesn’t go away.

  • AWomaninTX

    I am scared, plain & simple.

    Our insurance premiums just went up (our budget is stretched thin as it is), my husband just learned the company he has given 14 years of his life to is not giving anyone any sort of raise for the 4th year in a row, he can’t look for another job right now because they have a history of firing people who do that (we’re a family of 6 & can’t afford that kind of hit in any way), and as of Tuesday he just learned the company has been put up for sale via rumor & confirmed through research. (The man didn’t even have the guts to tell his employees face to face before he did it!)

    My husband is our sole support as I am a SAHM. If I were to work, I could not afford enough to justify it after day care costs. And if I am employed by anyone who offers me insurance, I would *have* to take it because I & the kids would be automatically kicked of my husband’s plan!

    We did not vote these ‘jokes for politicians’ in. We’ve done right by people, our children & this country! Yet we’re the ones who will pay the consequences!

    I am scared & I am d@mned mad!

    • torpedoman2002

      I’m sorry to hear of your coming hardships. I really hope everything turns out well for you. We all are scared and not sure what is going to happen. God bless

      • AWomaninTX

        Thank you.

        We’re hoping right now that if he does sell, that it will be a smooth transition. But most people know how those transitions go — people get replaced.

        We’ve been there before and made it through. We’ve been poorer before. It’s just scary when you see it coming & it’s due to no fault of your own.

        Very demoralizing.

        Thank you again.

        • http://twitter.com/Gator_Country Stephen K

          I wish you all the best. I had worked for my company for 11 years before it was bought out by a major multi-national firm in February of 2011; just like with your, husband, there was no warning. An e-mail went out the day of the sale and announced it, along with a company-wide meeting for later that afternoon to discuss it, where they told us that nothing at all was going to change and all our jobs were safe (yeah, right).

          I managed to hang on there until September of this year before they got around to laying me off. I’m still looking for another job, but prospects are grim and about to get a LOT grimmer.

          Best of luck to you.

    • javamon

      4 kids? Should have spent some money on contraception.

      • texasgrandmom

        If over 50 million babies had not be ceremoniously murdered we would have a surplus budget, and social security and medicare would be fully funded by younger workers who would be employed, buying homes, having children and participating in commerce.
        The actuarial table was destroyed when abortion became commonplace and is the major reason for our budgetary problems today.
        Her 4 children will go a long way further to pay taxes to support her old age than someone with one or two children, or none for that matter. When she collects on social security, her children will be payin in, and the government will actually make a profit on her actions.

        • http://timpanogos.wordpress.com/ Ed Darrell

          No, Romney says those kids are all “takers.” Those are Ryan’s calculations.

          • CalMum

            Do you really believe Romney thinks of kids as “takers?” Pahleez!

        • CalMum

          Legally people have reproductive rights… as it should be. While I am not favoring abortion for birth control, I feel confident the actuarial table is in tact. Discussing/blaming the unborn for budget issues is beyond reason. Haven’t you heard … there are enough people to go around – there just aren’t any jobs. At this point more people = more unemployment. In your upside down pyramid scenario, I start to feel very cramped & hungry.

      • YeahWeWill

        Don’t be a jerk !^

      • Guest

        You’re an insensitive ass.

        • javamon

          gimme a break… you know everybody was thinking it.

          • J. Cox

            No..just scum like you.

          • javamon

            you’re such a troll coxie.

          • J. Cox

            Yet you replied,and the fact that you posted that drivel remain..but yeah..that makes me a troll for calling you out.Now go ahead and make another idiotic statement and expect to not get called out on it.

          • J. Cox

            Yet you replied,and the fact that you posted that drivel remain..but yeah..that makes me a troll for calling you out.Now go ahead and make another idiotic statement and expect to not get called out on it.

          • Teresa Davis McCormick

            no not everyone, just those of you who think all moms with more than a couple kids are on welfare. Wake up.

          • Teresa Davis McCormick

            no not everyone, just those of you who think all moms with more than a couple kids are on welfare. Wake up.

          • YeahWeWill

            No; Unlike you, a lot of people on this page have some class.

      • Teresa Davis McCormick

        what the heck?? I thought liberals were all about women’s choices. But apparently that only applies to women who think like you. Careful….your stupidity is showing.

        • CalMum

          To the liberal, their agenda is the only one that matters. Any means supports the end result. Have had to set some old friends “free” in the past 2 days… cannot believe the widespread stupidity out there. This country has gone mad.

      • Teresa Davis McCormick

        what the heck?? I thought liberals were all about women’s choices. But apparently that only applies to women who think like you. Careful….your stupidity is showing.

      • http://twitter.com/Gator_Country Stephen K

        What’s the matter, afraid that her kids are going to take away your Obamaphone and your food stamps?

    • Guest

      I’m right there with you…my husband works for a large company, but our medical insurance premiums went up for 2013 by nearly $300 per month…this causes us to lose $391 per month, net, from his pay. I’ve already sat down and figured it all out. I am fighting a chronic illness that will keep me from working for at least another 2 years, so I cannot work and help out. All told, that’s over $4,000 per year from my husband’s salary that we will be losing…we’re a family of 5, and one of our children has special needs…all because of Obamacare. What happened to the statement from Obama, “your premiums will go DOWN at least $2,000″…I’m scared and I am d@mned mad too!!!

      • poljunkie♪

        We pay our own insurance. Knock on wood never had a health problem. We have Blue Cross- up until recently we had 3 on our policy, but our son got a full time job- so we took him off. Blue Cross took off 60.00. SIXTY WHOLE dollars. WOW.
        Anyway, we pay nearly 1250.00 a MONTH. With a 10,000. deductible.
        Outrageous. It typically goes up at the end of November, so the letter should be arriving any day.

    • $30736095

      I salute you being a SAHM 😀 Get creative in how to support your household and gather your friends and like-minded people around you and your family for support. Don’t become an “island”.

    • localnet

      My families world was also upended, we are all scared too. This feels like a close family member just passed away, the only way I can describe it.

  • ked5

    I’ve been saying this for four years. the PLAN is for small businesses to go OUT of business. his plan is working just fine. it’s much easier for the gov to control workers if they are in a large coporation, thus small businesses aren’t allowed.

  • meeester

    We’re raising prices for our liberal clients by 15% and starting a separate campaign to solicit conservative customers.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/3WF2ZV2NYXMNXZEY3SXMA3T6KI Lefty

    I’ve made plans to close my business effective December 15. Six employees given notice.

    Net cost of my business NOT participating anymore to governments (fees/taxes/permits/etc.) I estimate is around $86,000 next year.

    No longer will I be buying products or services from other businesses either. No CPAs. No office supplies. No electricity/water. No advertising. No technology. No phone/internet.

    The interrelated nature of businesses doing businesses. Impacts to one impact all.

    • medicinewomantwo

      The domino effect of a business closing is lost on many who don’t own it……

    • texasgrandmom

      Oddly enough you are doing just what Obama has told us he wanted. No more top down economy, just bottom up or middle out. By not participating in the economy he is getting his wish.
      The only problem is that Obama actually thinks that makes sense and that poor people can create jobs out of thin air

    • http://timpanogos.wordpress.com/ Ed Darrell

      Why? Please detail.

      • lance

        You’re kidding, right? You’re in this thread questioning every little detail. you got schooled on one, said thank you and you’re still asking stupid questions?

        Look…bro., I run IT. I buy AVG to protect clients business. I buy Internet. I buy phones. I buy every version of every computer OS in existence. I buy MIS systems to track my invoicing. I buy paper to feed the printers that never seem to stop with the damn paperwork. I buy network cabling, ends, wall-plates and junction boxes. I buy hardware.

        All of that is hard costs and all of it generates profit for those who I buy it from. I go out of business that’s profit those companies can’t collect.

        Thus, “domiino effect”.

        You really are a piece of work. Wilfully ignorant or just stupid, who knows. Either way, a threat to the race.

    • YeahWeWill

      I am re-evaluating my business plan. Most likely will close up shop because it just is not worth the headache any longer! I did have hope but that got flushed.

  • Steve_J

    Obama won and Boeing had to fire how many thousand employees?

  • writer59

    We tried to warn the youth vote that they were going to be in debt for all Obama’s spending and they were all like, “Obama Rocks!” and “Suck It, Mitches!” So since they were so eager to turn over their credit card, I say, “Dude, let’s party!” Some new turtle tunnels and cow odor studies (hog odor studies are so last week) and a new electric grid and free Ipads for everyone and free college educations and . . . Hey, I won’t be around to pay for much of it and they voted for more, more, more of the same, so let’s do this!

    • texasgrandmom

      The youth can’t do math either. They are okay with college tuition increases of 25% under Obama’s free and easy money plan, as long as interest stays at 3%.
      I would rather have paid 25% less for college and 6% for interest, but that’s just me.

      • Marie

        Free & easy for those who qualify. We had to borrow money for my son’s first semester in college. I would have loved to have been able to borrow the entire amount at 3%. He qualified for a $249 Subsidized Loan @ 3.4%; $2,380.99 Unsubsidized Loan @ 6.8%; and I had to take out a Parent Loan of $3,712 @ 7.9%. Those amounts covered our bill, nothing extra. I paid for the books out-of-pocket. I still have monthly payments on my own student loan and am paying on the Unsubsidized Loan and the Parent Loan as best I can while he is enrolled. My son’s college experience will not be paid with free and easy money; it will not be easy to keep the interest from piling up on us.

        • texasgrandmom

          Wouldn’t it have been nice if the tuition was half of what you paid? Colleges have absolutely no reason to keep tuition low because loans are readily available. If students had to pay as they go, or work, or were limited in the loan amounts, tuition would be lower. If professors had to teach full time for their money, tuition would be lower. If they spent their money on classrooms, and left the social engineering to someone else, tuitions would be lower, If college students were not required to spend 2 years taking garbage classes (history, literature, feeling good about oneself, diversity training, etc), they would get out sooner and the cost of college would be lower.
          College should be about training someone for their occupation and nothing else.

          High school is for getting rounded, college is for getting a job

      • Marie

        Free & easy for those who qualify. We had to borrow money for my son’s first semester in college. I would have loved to have been able to borrow the entire amount at 3%. He qualified for a $249 Subsidized Loan @ 3.4%; $2,380.99 Unsubsidized Loan @ 6.8%; and I had to take out a Parent Loan of $3,712 @ 7.9%. Those amounts covered our bill, nothing extra. I paid for the books out-of-pocket. I still have monthly payments on my own student loan and am paying on the Unsubsidized Loan and the Parent Loan as best I can while he is enrolled. My son’s college experience will not be paid with free and easy money; it will not be easy to keep the interest from piling up on us.

    • Kate

      The problem with a lot of these young voters is that they don’t think long-term. I was 18 during the ’08 elections and shocked at how irresponsible my peers were/still are. They don’t understand that the free ride is going to stop someday, so they don’t prepare for it.

    • Kate

      The problem with a lot of these young voters is that they don’t think long-term. I was 18 during the ’08 elections and shocked at how irresponsible my peers were/still are. They don’t understand that the free ride is going to stop someday, so they don’t prepare for it.

    • arti11a

      Hey now, I’m in the youth category, and I have a degree in math. I voted for Mitt *precisely* because I can do the math. Baby-boomers and Gen Xers can’t do math either. Obama is over 50 and he admitted on Leno he can’t do high school level math. Don’t you old people start shifting all the blame to the kids who’ve only had one or two chances to vote. Carter and Clinton sure as heck weren’t our fault.

      • lance

        Well said, besides, you’re paying for it anyway.

  • http://www.nothingtoseemovelong.com/ Johnmann

    The only silver lining is… perhaps many of those getting laid off actually VOTED FOR OBAMA, and so next time around, they will vote against the business-killing Dems.

    • tga999

      I think you have a winning strategy for the 2016 election, sir. Now you just need to pull a Karl Rove, convince some millionaires that they can buy the election, and then you’ll be rolling in the dough.

    • tga999

      I think you have a winning strategy for the 2016 election, sir. Now you just need to pull a Karl Rove, convince some millionaires that they can buy the election, and then you’ll be rolling in the dough.

    • brotherStefan

      Perhaps… but I’m not so optimistic that many of those voters will actually connect the dots.

  • http://www.examiner.com/conservative-in-atlanta/harriet-baldwin ★♥ Harriet Baldwin

    My advice to business owners who have to lay-off employees because of Obamacare. Fire Obama supporters FIRST!

  • Imagine2

    Well thank you for caring about the big business of Girl Scouts cookies. They do make a heck of a lot of money. However if that was supposed to be an insult to me, you fail. My company grosses 15+M per year. How about yours??? Go learn out how to manage successfully and grow your own business without excuses. That is unless you manage nothing but your own biases and snarkiness.

    • Clorinda Madsen

      I’m glad you are seeing success. Good for you. Not all industries or companies within an industry can do as well. Some companies, such as medical device makers, are in such a niche that they cannot see returns in the black for 20+ years. But they are still willing to plug away because their improvement in X medical device or their completely new product Y is such a benefit to people. However, many of these companies (and it is the small ones who are driving innovation) are closing doors, cutting back because of the double whammy of the Obamacare 30 hour a week = full time requirement plus the 2.3% excise tax on all products over $100.

      So your sector, your locale, and a host of other things can interfere with a business’s ability to be successful. This is interfering with those who are on that borderline of complete viability and independence. They have to make some choices to stay in business. You as a business owner should understand that.

  • http://twitter.com/x_ScubaSteve_x ScubaSteve

    Lots of companies in the last 48 hours have been laying off, i guess this is going to start being the norm, And by the looks, the stock market is still dropping. Not good. Guess the left is getting what they want.

    • javamon

      i think you’ve got the bends scubasteve… “lots of companies”…. based on a few idiotic tweets? lolsville

      • Maria Seeger

        I love how superior you Obamabots sound. Keep on sounding that way. Either you’re lucky enough to still have a job, or you’re collecting unemployment, or you’re living off the state in the form of government checks and food stamps. Which is it? There are plenty of people like me who can’t find a job no matter how we look because people aren’t hiring. These days it’s not so much what you know, but *who* you know…and with mandated health insurance coverage and Obama’s war on small businesses, even those opportunities are going to become rare. But hey, have fun up there on your high horse looking down on the rest of us peasants.

        • javamon

          i have a job, thanks Maria. At a tech company. It’s a good job in a growing business. What ‘experience’ do you have? What’s your skill set… what kind of job do you want? You can parrot the “war on small business” all you want, but if you don’t have a marketable skill, you can only blame yourself.

          • Maria Seeger

            Actually, I’m retired, and I do have a marketable skill. My defense is towards the small business owners who are doing what they think is best for themselves and their businesses. As for you, be grateful for your job at your growing business. I honeslty hope it keeps growing and does not end up having to resize or outsource their business. I’m not blaming anyone for my lack of employment, but I’m also lucky enough not to have to be on the government dole.
            Don’t you worry about me, hon. Worry about yourself. Obama’s second term is just getting started.

          • Maria Seeger

            Actually, I’m retired, and I do have a marketable skill. My defense is towards the small business owners who are doing what they think is best for themselves and their businesses. As for you, be grateful for your job at your growing business. I honeslty hope it keeps growing and does not end up having to resize or outsource their business. I’m not blaming anyone for my lack of employment, but I’m also lucky enough not to have to be on the government dole.
            Don’t you worry about me, hon. Worry about yourself. Obama’s second term is just getting started.

        • javamon

          i have a job, thanks Maria. At a tech company. It’s a good job in a growing business. What ‘experience’ do you have? What’s your skill set… what kind of job do you want? You can parrot the “war on small business” all you want, but if you don’t have a marketable skill, you can only blame yourself.

      • Maria Seeger

        I love how superior you Obamabots sound. Keep on sounding that way. Either you’re lucky enough to still have a job, or you’re collecting unemployment, or you’re living off the state in the form of government checks and food stamps. Which is it? There are plenty of people like me who can’t find a job no matter how we look because people aren’t hiring. These days it’s not so much what you know, but *who* you know…and with mandated health insurance coverage and Obama’s war on small businesses, even those opportunities are going to become rare. But hey, have fun up there on your high horse looking down on the rest of us peasants.

  • LightSabre

    Wouldn’t it be interesting if everyone ( I suppose I’m really referring to conservatives/people who voted for Romney) just stopped paying their federal income tax?

  • Baba Ghanoush

    That means more people going on food stamps and other entitlement programs. Sad but true. We are doomed!

  • brewerandpatriot

    He fired 22 because he did his math and could cover payroll taxes and health insurance for 92 while still making enough to provide for his family. The spiteful part was that they were all Hispanic Obama supporters. But now they have more time to enjoy all the benefits their messiah will bestow upon them.

    • doc255

      Well, there’s the problem. Libs don’t do math…..it’s too hard. Just ask Obama……

  • Reginald Worthington

    If you’re dumb enough to lose money when all of your employees under 26 can now be covered on someone else’s insurance. you need to get the hell out of business, son. Leave it for the smart people.

    • Maria Seeger

      Unless you own your own business, you should keep your mouth shut, because you sound incredibly stupid right now. And you’re assuming that those employees under 26 * have parents who still carry them on their insurance. That’s not true. I know plenty of young people whose parents no longer carry them on their insurance and are not about to start doing so now…because they can’t afford to.

    • Clorinda Madsen

      Actually, there are limits on that. If your company offers insurance you cannot stay on Mom and Dad’s. Also, if you offer valid-under-Obamacare insurance and your employees choose the government exchange, for some reason, the company still gets fined.

  • Carabella1

    Right. An anonymous person claims to have fired employees because Obama was reelected and you people buy into it. Wow. How imbecilic.

    • Maria Seeger

      If you’re referring to the tweets on the top, that’s not an anonymous person. And she’s not the only one laying off employees. If you are working for a small business don’t be surprised if you come in and find a pink slip waiting for you sometime. On the other hand, if you are not working at all, shut your mouth. And if you work for retail like Mickey D’s, expect to work less hours and earn less money.

      • http://www.facebook.com/faith.dunn2 Faith Dunn

        you told her :) i closed my business in april..did not have enough customers to stay alive..had to give up my home as well..people need to stay off the drugs and pay attention..the day of reckoning is coming..we the people are tired of obama and is package bs

        • javamon

          apparently “we the people” just voted him in. that’s how a democracy works.

          • http://www.facebook.com/kent.vig Kent Vig

            And you will soon get what you wanted

          • doc255

            And don’t think that the rest of us will forget just who it was that threw the country under the bus….

          • mike_in_kosovo

            The USA isn’t a democracy – maybe you should have paid better attention in Civics class.

      • Carabella1

        oooh… shut my mouth? Cupcake, I have a fabulous job you can only dream of. I envy people like you who seem to subsist on sour grapes.
        Enjoy, Honey.

  • News Reporter

    I was at my Toastmasters monthly gathering early this morning. We had a raise of hands of employers who will be laying off employees due to the high costs of ObamaCare. Out of 40+ in the room, half raised their hands. I have a small business dealing with equipment in manufacturing plants and purchasing agents. Most tell me their sales, office and field staff are getting pink slips January 1st. I get calls from MY FLIPPING CUSTOMERS asking if they can work for me! This is NOT a rare thing. I thought the first two years after the 9-11 attacks devastated business… this is very serious.

  • salvagesalvage

    America is dooooooomeeeeeeeeeeeeeed!

    • javamon

      Domed? Come to think of it, that might help with the global warming that you guys are ignoring.

      • http://www.facebook.com/kent.vig Kent Vig

        Yep because we never have hurricanes before global warming

        • javamon

          you guys are funny. when Cheney said “if there was even a 1% chance that Saddam had WMDs, we had to go into Iraq” the right applauded that it was worth doing. But when there are discussions about the need to do something about global warming, which has far more scientific evidence supporting it… you guys freak out and say shit happens. By the Cheney argument, even if there’s a 1% chance global warming exists, shouldn’t we do something?

          • http://www.theconservativevoices.com/ dmacleo

            ever handled a chem or bio weapon? I mean actually been on the lance missle system that tosses them?

            those of us who spent time at Anniston AL know what a wmd is.
            hey see if you can ask some Kurds if he had wmd’s.

          • Timothy Noonan

            I read your first sentence with Col. Nathan R Jessep’s voice…Yeah, five years, at best, and more like 15 years. Policy dictated the intel.

          • doc255

            Here we go again…..there is really NO evidence that GW exists. The papers that support it were based on fiction, rather than fact. The “scientists” who wrote these “scientific” studies were caught with their pants down. And for every “paper” written by these frauds, there are 100 more that were written by legitimate scientists who refuted the existence of GW.

      • doc255

        I wonder what caused the end of the first Ice Age….maybe all of the mastadons farted simultaneously……

  • http://timpanogos.wordpress.com/ Ed Darrell
    • Maria Seeger

      Can we say single payer system, folks? Or maybe National Health Service a la Great Britian & Canada?

  • Michelle Blackwell

    Ha ha ha! A real business owner would never do that. You have enough employees to meet demand if you can’t meet demand you hire more employees or you shrink your business. Firing employees for some imagined future issue is a good way to shoot yourself in the foot and injure your business’s reputation.

    Nothing changed from Tuesday to Thursday. Even if Obama lost the election, he would still be President until January.

    These “business owners” are huge frauds.

    • Maria Seeger

      And you know this because you’re a real business owner, right? Tell me, how many empoloyees do you have?

      • Michelle Blackwell

        I have enough to know that these “business owners” are idiots for firing people now, when the issue they’re siting as the job killer doesn’t even go into effect until 2014.

        • AMERICAN Kafir™(KAdams)

          I guess you don’t know what these business owners may possibly be going through, then.

        • Clorinda Madsen

          I repeat go to pp 148 & 149 of http://www.ncsl.org/documents/health/ppaca-consolidated.pdf

          Definitions of what makes a “large employer”. Rules for determining company size and how to assess fines. They are all dependent on 2013 numbers.

          Business owners will asses their business status based on these numbers and act accordingly. Some may feel that they can survive above 50 employees but still have to cut back to a certain point to maintain profitability. Some may have to ensure exemption status to survive. Businesses regularly make decisions 1-2 years out, even 5 years out in order to stay in business.

        • Maria Seeger

          You have *got* to be an arrogant know-it-all 20something college kid. You’re too invested in trying to PWN us and “school” us to be an adult…oh but that’s right, I forgot…you Obamabots *are* the adults…or so you keep on trying to convince us.

  • Michelle Blackwell

    Some personal responsibility I’m finding on this board. You people are hilarious. You blame Obama for your business’s failings, blame Obamacare cost increases and yet still don’t know that Obamacare isn’t going into effect until 2014, so you lay off people now? Two years early? That’s idiotic.

    I bet none of you can name which parts of Obamacare are going into effect in 2013, and what the per employee cost of those sections will be.

    • Michelle Blackwell

      3 down votes and no one can list the parts of Obamacare going into effect in 2013 or the projected per employee cost on businesses. But you’re over here listening to these idiots saying they are firing people because of it the day after the election.
      Are there any actual thinkers on this site or just Fox News and Rush/Beck/Hannity sheep?

      • Clorinda Madsen

        Did you not follow my link? If you had, you would have seen that while it does not go in to effect in 2013, 2013 is still very important in determining whether or not a business will be forced to provide an approved level of insurance coverage or face fines. That is what people are talking about. If you continue reading beyond what I recommended you would have reached the section, just one or two down, that defined the fines and fees.

        • lifeissogood

          Give it up. You can never get those who refuse to see the facts understand. You’re only beating your head against a wall. With no real health care, you really don’t want to do that now.

        • AMERICAN Kafir™(KAdams)

          Probably not, because if they did, then they’d have to shut up.

      • AMERICAN Kafir™(KAdams)

        I made it 6 down votes. 😀

        • CacheLaPoudre

          Ten!

    • Clorinda Madsen

      No. Most of us know that the provision that defines full and part time employees is going to use 2013 hours worked to determine whether or not a business in 2014 has 50 “full-time” employees. If it does, it will also then determine what the fines will be based on the number of “full-time” workers in 2013. So yes, we do know that businesses should be doing something now.

      Please check out Section 4980H (c) (2)(A) also (B) & especially (C) & (D) Definitions of “Large employers”. How to determine the size of staff. And how to assess the penalties. http://www.ncsl.org/documents/health/ppaca-consolidated.pdf (pp 148-149 for starters).

      They are all dependent on 2013 numbers, so everyone is preparing for 2013.

      • Michelle Blackwell

        So, what about everything you just said was contingent upon Obama getting elected, also what fines are assessed if you comply with the law?

        • Clorinda Madsen

          Obama pushed for this. He expended 2 years of the Recession working on getting this through. With Governor Romney in, he vowed to repeal it. Now, with the status quo in Congress and the Presidency, we know that aspects of the law may go with the future Supreme Court challenges but have to prepare as if it will be implemented. Obama owns it.

        • Clorinda Madsen

          No fines are assessed if you comply but the costs of compliance may be just as onerous as the costs of the fines.

          There is also the fact that President Obama made such a big deal out of this during his first two years that he owns it. He also owns the consequences. I also blame Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid. But Obama has owned Obamacare.

        • Clorinda Madsen

          No fines are assessed if you comply but the costs of compliance may be just as onerous as the costs of the fines.

          There is also the fact that President Obama made such a big deal out of this during his first two years that he owns it. He also owns the consequences. I also blame Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid. But Obama has owned Obamacare.

    • tga999

      Don’t ruin our fun with your “facts” and “logic”.

    • tga999

      Don’t ruin our fun with your “facts” and “logic”.

    • YeahWeWill

      Why don’t you email Boeing and inquire into their business plan? You don’t wait for 2 years when you see the tsunami heading your way.

    • doc255

      Maybe you forgot that, besides Obamacare, that taxes are going up as well, on 1-1-13. That’s also going to cut into our bottom line, and make it harder to meet payroll….

  • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeBeq0i03bg Booker

    Its a disgrace what is happening to this nation.

    • Michelle Blackwell

      I know, all of these people on this site who just mindlessly accept some anonymous morons on Twitter and on the radio who say they are laying off people because Obama was re-elected. It is a real disgrace.

      • AMERICAN Kafir™(KAdams)

        Like you? Well at least, that is your expectation, from what I gather. You’d like us to ‘mindlessly’ believe some anonymous moron (in this case, you) that responds to anecdotal comments with hate? and vitriol.. You don’t have to curse to be mean, and you do it very well. It’s seriously a wonder you have conservative friends, as you’ve claimed.

        • Michelle Blackwell

          Like you who responds to me with accusations and judgments. If being conservative means your aren’t rude, condescending and full of erroneous judgments, then you aren’t conservative.

          • Maria Seeger

            And you’re here to tell us you didn’t buy into all of the DNC talking points regarding Romney/Ryan and didn’t believe the ads against Romney/Ryan put out by the Obama Pacs and the DNC because you were too intelligent to do so but chose to vote for Barack Obama because he is the best and most “progressive” President since sliced bread? Oh, that’s right you’re the oh-so-superior grown up and we’re all just children when compared to your awesome intellect. Wow. Your humility is just astounding.

          • Michelle Blackwell

            Looks like my assessment of you was spot on. I haven’t said any of the things you’re attributing to me, but you seem comfortable assuming that and basing some judgment of me on those incorrect assessments. And then you wonder why every one else is getting it wrong when in fact the person getting it wrong is you.

            And you call yourself a conservative. By your own definition you aren’t.

          • AMERICAN Kafir™(KAdams)

            What definition would that be? How do you know how I characterize “being conservative”? Please, do explain.

          • AMERICAN Kafir™(KAdams)

            Accusations? Judgments? Your comments speak for you, and as I assume it is you typing them, then…. sorry? You condemn yourself?

          • doc255

            If that isn’t the pot calling the kettle black, I don’t know what ….

    • poljunkie♪

      Sure is. People who vote in an election as if it is a popularity contest—it is an outrage. Honestly, the state of our Country is very dire. The economy, is hanging by a string. Jobs, housing—these two alone, need addressing and attention immediately.Our debt/deficit are totally out of control and the fact that we havent had a budget in nearly 4 years is horrible and unbelievable.

      • AMERICAN Kafir™(KAdams)

        It’s been over 5, Dems got control in 2007 and stopped passing budgets then.

  • Lisa 670

    Will be doing it all myself. Can’t afford to hire. Hanging on as it is.

  • http://www.facebook.com/faith.dunn2 Faith Dunn

    well half the general population wanted obama back..its been warned..sign of the times..four more years..no biggie obama gives free stuff..maybe we get lucky and someone will go benghazi in dc..just kidding..i am aloud to dream

    • javamon

      you’re also “aloud” to spellcheck.

      • justlisa

        Difficult to do on a phone…

      • doc255

        Oooh, another left wing, elitist, pompous spelling Nazi. Run, Faith, run! (How did I do? Did I pass?)

  • http://www.facebook.com/faith.dunn2 Faith Dunn

    there just getting ready for the new tax…it is still there business they built it and they can do what they want with it..i would be angry to

  • Allan Howell

    Thinking Obama might need to start sharpening his pencil for the next jobs/no jobs report

  • mememe

    Fire the Obama supporters first. Actions have consequences.

    • Michael Anderson

      You cannot discriminate based on political leanings. Do it once and it might not raise a red flag, fire all the democrat voters and you’ll have a law suit.

      • http://www.facebook.com/kent.vig Kent Vig

        Bummer, I guess they shouldn’t have voted against their interests

      • Patty

        I don’t think political affiliation is one of the protected classes under federal law.

      • redheadgrl

        I don’t think political affiliation is covered under the Civil Rights Act.

        • doc255

          You’re right, red. Just ask my ex-nurse….

  • Michelle

    Remember when Barry said of small business owners, “You didn’t build that. Somebody else built that for you” Well, then let’s all find this “somebody else” and have them pay the healthcare increases. On another note – anyone notice that he went from saying business owners don’t get the credit for their businesses, but after realizing how he alienated them with that remark, the past month of his campaign he was calling them “the risk takers” Good job Barry, THAT is what you should have been calling them ALL ALONG. Never forget, there is nothing this man won’t say or a flip he won’t flop when he realizes after expressing his TRUE beliefs, he lost some votes.

    • javamon

      remember the actual quote. if you actually listened to it and not the bloviators, you know, in your heart, that what he said was ‘if you’ve got a business, you didn’t build that road and bridge.’ Twist it all you want, God knows you tried to, but it didn’t work, because it was a distortion of reality that people saw through:
      “If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.”

      • Michelle

        I’m pretty well versed on the quote – and his message was clear, he didn’t give business owners ANY credit for their business. YOU are the one spinning. Here are his exact words, “If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.” Now, if he meant you’re trying to insert as what he meant, he would have worded this way, “If you’ve got a business – you didn’t build that ON YOUR OWN. Somebody else HELPED YOU make that happen.” But that’s not what he said and his words were precise – to business owners he said – you didn’t build that. He said – somebody else made that happen. He absolutely conveys the idea that business owners had no part of the business they built – not the long hours, not the financial risk, none of it – someone else did all of it for them. Right after that speech, I asked a few friends who are Obama’s supporters why they aren’t business owners (since apparently “someone else” makes it happen, why hasn’t “someone else” made it happen for them?”) ALL gave the answer – “Because I haven’t been willing to risk losing everything if the company failed.” THAT RIGHT THERE is what separates a business owner from someone like you. Willing to risk. If it were the roads, bridges and the Internet that built businesses, WE WOULD ALL BE BUSINESS OWNERS since we all have access to such things.

        • tga999

          Lol. It was pretty clear what he meant if you’re not a paranoid wingnut. He meant that Walmart’s logistics network, for example, wouldn’t exist if Eisenhower hadn’t built the interstate highway system. True story. Enjoy the next four years.

          • Michelle

            Pretty clear that was the meaning to anyone who chooses to see it that way instead of listening to his exact words. “If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.” You didn’t build that. You didn’t do it. You did nothing to make that happen. It was all someone else’s doing, none of your own. Reading comprehension, make it your friend. And hey thanks – wingnut! That’s a new one for this Independent. And thanks for reminding me why I jumped off the Left wing years ago.

          • AMERICAN Kafir™(KAdams)

            Typical. All blow and no substance.

          • justlisa

            And, that is the point. Anything is possible…for anyone. Just because one person is successful does not mean that he/she owes something to those who aren’t.

          • nc

            Let’s for argument’s sake accept your premise that BHO didn’t intend to insult hard working business owners with his “you didn’t build that” statement. Given the outcry wouldn’t a sensitive and caring President who truly wanted to represent “red states and blue states” be mortified that his words came out so wrong? And wouldn’t he go out of his way to make it right? Yeah, that happened.

        • tga999

          Lol. It was pretty clear what he meant if you’re not a paranoid wingnut. He meant that Walmart’s logistics network, for example, wouldn’t exist if Eisenhower hadn’t built the interstate highway system. True story. Enjoy the next four years.

      • Michelle

        I’m pretty well versed on the quote – and his message was clear, he didn’t give business owners ANY credit for their business. YOU are the one spinning. Here are his exact words, “If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.” Now, if he meant you’re trying to insert as what he meant, he would have worded this way, “If you’ve got a business – you didn’t build that ON YOUR OWN. Somebody else HELPED YOU make that happen.” But that’s not what he said and his words were precise – to business owners he said – you didn’t build that. He said – somebody else made that happen. He absolutely conveys the idea that business owners had no part of the business they built – not the long hours, not the financial risk, none of it – someone else did all of it for them. Right after that speech, I asked a few friends who are Obama’s supporters why they aren’t business owners (since apparently “someone else” makes it happen, why hasn’t “someone else” made it happen for them?”) ALL gave the answer – “Because I haven’t been willing to risk losing everything if the company failed.” THAT RIGHT THERE is what separates a business owner from someone like you. Willing to risk. If it were the roads, bridges and the Internet that built businesses, WE WOULD ALL BE BUSINESS OWNERS since we all have access to such things.

      • justlisa

        LMAO. That’s not what he said. Here…this is what he said:

        “If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.”

        You’re not just twisting…you’re flat-out lying.

    • javamon

      remember the actual quote. if you actually listened to it and not the bloviators, you know, in your heart, that what he said was ‘if you’ve got a business, you didn’t build that road and bridge.’ Twist it all you want, God knows you tried to, but it didn’t work, because it was a distortion of reality that people saw through:
      “If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.”

  • DrMorbius

    Judging by the numbers quoted here, I think we will be seeing the “official” (artificially low, announced rate) climb back above 8% before years end, and hit 9% or better by the Feb 2013 report; plus, the number of people who want FT but can only get PT will skyrocket…

  • stellatruman

    my husband and I own a small business. Not only will we be letting people go, and the truth is we don’t know how many yet , we will also close down at least half of our business because of obamacare. I got an email from our insurance agent yesterday with the updates to the healthcare reform. It is going to be impossible for many people to hire anyone…fines will be imposed on the employer and employee. Welcome to the USSA

  • http://www.facebook.com/linda.clarksetters Linda Clark Setters

    And I bet somehow the next jobs numbers report shows a decrease in unemployment!

    • poljunkie♪

      I’m thinking the opposite. Now that Obama has won the election, it can start ticking up. 9% by Jan. 11% by march. 13% by June. Its going to get ugly.

      • Patty

        I think Linda was being facetious…

  • http://www.facebook.com/linda.clarksetters Linda Clark Setters

    And I bet somehow the next jobs numbers report shows a decrease in unemployment!

  • Clorinda Madsen

    Since everyone else seems to be repeating entire threads now, I guess I will too. Go to pp 148-149 http://www.ncsl.org/documents/health/ppaca-consolidated.pdf. There you will find the definitions of a “large business”. How to determine the size of a company, who gets assessed fines, and, if you keep reading past p 149 you will find how to determine how much of a fine.

    This may not go in to effect until 2014 but it will use 2013 employee hours and employee numbers to see who gets to be defined as a “large business” and therefore have to provide an approved insurance plan. Businesses plan several years out. They are looking at their customers, their costs, and their current outlook to see how much they can afford. Any business that can afford it will stay put. Others will pull back as much as they need to to maintain a viable profit margin.

    Considering that many things are yet to be determined by the Dept of Health and Human Services, we have not seen the fullest effects yet.

  • Clorinda Madsen

    Since everyone else seems to be repeating entire threads now, I guess I will too. Go to pp 148-149 http://www.ncsl.org/documents/health/ppaca-consolidated.pdf. There you will find the definitions of a “large business”. How to determine the size of a company, who gets assessed fines, and, if you keep reading past p 149 you will find how to determine how much of a fine.

    This may not go in to effect until 2014 but it will use 2013 employee hours and employee numbers to see who gets to be defined as a “large business” and therefore have to provide an approved insurance plan. Businesses plan several years out. They are looking at their customers, their costs, and their current outlook to see how much they can afford. Any business that can afford it will stay put. Others will pull back as much as they need to to maintain a viable profit margin.

    Considering that many things are yet to be determined by the Dept of Health and Human Services, we have not seen the fullest effects yet.

  • tga999

    Ok, point taken: apparently Romney supporters are whiny, petulant and thin-skinned rather than rugged individualists.

    • nc

      Hope you and your loved ones feel secure in your jobs. Not everyone is so lucky.

      • tga999

        I’m feeling much more secure knowing that there’s no chance of our current president trying to implement some ill conceived austerity measures, yes thanks. Also, universal health care for the win.

        • lifeissogood

          Universal health care for the win? Did you NOT understand this article? What part of “job losses” did you not get?

        • Googie Bergdorff

          His plan isn’t universal anyway, you twit.

      • tga999

        I’m feeling much more secure knowing that there’s no chance of our current president trying to implement some ill conceived austerity measures, yes thanks. Also, universal health care for the win.

    • poljunkie♪

      No- Realists.
      50 % of the country want to work. We want to put in 40 or more hours a week, come home tired, read to our kids and play with the dog. We want to be able to save some money, put a nest egg in the bank and dream of retirement when we are 65. We hope to walk our beautiful baby girl down the aisle when she is 25, and send both or kids to college.
      We dont want unemployment, disabilabilty, welfare or food stamps.
      Most of all we want to be FREE.

    • http://www.theconservativevoices.com/ dmacleo

      if they were individualists they would fire everyone

  • tga999

    Ok, point taken: apparently Romney supporters are whiny, petulant and thin-skinned rather than rugged individualists.

  • des111168

    How long until an executive order comes that freezes layoffs? And John Roberts will say “Cool, as long as you call it a tax”

  • Brandee

    And the Shrugging begins

  • Drilbur

    Got my hours (and pay) cut by 20% today. #FORWARD

    • justlisa

      Sorry to hear…there will be more…

  • BeeKaaay

    Obama is rejoicing that people are suffering. More people are dependent on unemployment, food stamps, and welfare. That’s Marxism.

  • poljunkie♪

    The economy is horrible. Our district just announced 18 are being laid off on Jan 1.
    Thanks Obama. To the approx 50% that voted for him- Thanks for nothing-

  • MisterEatx

    Bullsh*** Brian_CK. Businesses don’t preemptively fire employees. There is about today that wasn’t true yesterday. These businesses fired the employees that they would have fired under Romney, as well. They just wanted to make a political point of it and turn the tide of public opinion even further against the Democrats.

    • Ken Wetalk

      That’s exactly CORRECT. As a matter of fact, they were hoping for an Obama WIN so they could do JUST THAT.

      It surely fit better to do it following Obama winning than if Romney won. This way it looks like Obama’s fault. LOL!!

      ~DRAMA~ America can’t get enuf of it.

      • doc255

        You are SO smart, you libs!! You caught us! We all secretly voted for the guy who is out to put us all out of business and steal what little money we have left….

    • Another Libertarian Communist

      Yep. I’ve worked for a few companies that had to go through layoffs and plant closures. It took more than two days to organize them.

  • konservative1

    WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report)—Opting
    for a bold “big tent” strategy to rebuild the party, Reince Priebus,
    the chairman of the Republican National Committee, told reporters today,
    “We need to welcome people who believe in different things than we do,
    like math and science.”
    After disappointing results in Tuesday’s election, Mr. Priebus said that
    it was time for Republicans to become “more tolerant of those with a
    math-and-science lifestyle.”
    “Just because we don’t believe in those things doesn’t mean we can’t get
    along with people who do,” he said. “We want to send this message:
    math and science Americans are Americans, too.”
    In the biggest departure from its previous electoral strategy, Mr.
    Priebus said, the Republican Party is “even considering trying to appeal
    to women.”
    “I read recently that women are as much as fifty-one per cent of the
    population,” he said. “That number sounded crazy high to me, but maybe
    one of our new math Republicans can check on it for us.”

    • poljunkie♪

      IS that real?
      You have it posted quite a few times, and it seems so totally ridicules, that I think even Prebius couldnt even say such garble.

      • konservative1

        If you have to ask………………….

      • konservative1

        Look just google (The Borowitz Report) . It is satire. I posted it to get a laugh from liberals and angry confusion from conservatives.

        • poljunkie♪

          Ya I figured. Thanks

          • konservative1

            : )

    • doc255

      Could you be any more of an ass? Don’t answer that…it was purely rhetorically.

      • konservative1

        : }

  • poljunkie♪

    So next year, will the liberals who were so thrilled on tuesday realize they made a mistake by re-electing Obama? We are headed for some tough times. The health care law is going to make things, with the unemployment go crazy. They can manipulate the job rate percentage all they want. The bottom line is people will begin to feel it- is there dad, their brother, their neighbor, out of work? Have they been out of work for a month, 5 months, a year? Longer?
    Healthcare- is a law coming next year! A LAW. Buy it or be fined.
    People who are out of work, sometimes dont have extra money right now.

    This is part of the ultimate plan though. In a year or two. Obama will push for Single Payer- Universal Healthcare.

    • doc255

      He won’t have to push too hard. Whatever private insurers charge their cusomers, the government will be able to undercut them, since the government (unlike private business) can always print more money. Private insurers will not be able to compete and will wind up in bankrupcy, leaving us with…government insurace only. I can envision a mass exodus of providers as soon as that day arrives, and then we’ll ahve an entire country stuck with no options and no care.

  • http://www.facebook.com/family.law.attorney Don Gonzales

    How many business owners kept employees they couldnt afford? Maybe if they fired them when they should have Obama would not have been re-elected.

  • http://twitter.com/DaveBorlandPhD Dave Borland

    Obamacare: all the efficiency of FEMA and all the compassion of the IRS all rolled into a program that will cost more than our Military….

  • http://www.cosmicgirl.net/ Cosmic Girl

    At least islamofascists come right out and tell us they hate us and want to destroy us. I have zero respect for liberals/leftists because they pretend to love America and its citizens (well, select groups) while stealthily destroying us, never mind that their family, children & friends will also be destroyed in the process. They must realize that they are not going to escape. They can’t be this stupid or evil, can they?!

  • holygoat

    Yeah, Obama doesn’t care. This is what he wants. More unemployed means more dependence on the Progressive government. It’s a feature, not a bug.

  • Howzah123

    Liberals are holding up their red books today, high in the air with pride

    So when are we going to start dragging these business owners into the public square and throwing them to the wolves? It’s only a matter of time. At some point the spigot that keeps the cheap money flowing into Obama’s stash will run out.

    What happens then? Obamaphones gotta eat. Keep Obama in da President ya know? He gave us a phone. He’s gonna so more.

    What about Romney?

    Romney? He SUCKS. BAD.

    Welcome to the Divided States of Obama

  • gotham43

    Well, didn’t Moochelle just say Imagine what Obama could do with another 4 years?

  • Brian448

    The only thing I have to say after this election is:
    WHO IS JOHN GALT?

  • CAmom760

    They’re such know-nothings. The PARTIAL number of companies who have laid off people in the past 48 hrs because of the election.

    – Westinghouse
    – Research in Motion Ltd.
    – Lightyear Network Solutions
    – Providence Journal
    – Hawker Beechcraft
    – Boeing
    – CVPH Medical Center
    – US Cellular
    – Commerzbank
    – Iberia
    – Momentive Performance Materials
    – Brake Parts
    – Gameforge Berlin
    – Vestas Wind Systems
    – Husqvarna
    – ING
    – Ericsson
    – SRA International
    – PerkinElmer
    – Majestic Star Casino and Hotel
    – Center for Hospice NY
    – Bristol-Myers
    – Lower Bucks Hospital
    – Oce North America
    – Corning
    – United Blood Services Gulf
    – Atlantic Lottery Corporation
    – Welch Allyn
    – Dana Holding
    – Stryker
    – Boston Scientific
    – Medtronic
    – Smith & Nephew
    – Abbott Labs
    – Covidien
    – Kinetic Concepts
    – St. Jude
    – Hill Rom
    – Darden Restaurants
    – JANCOA
    – Kroger
    – Caterpillar
    – Alcatel-Lucent
    – Umatilla Chemical
    – Rocketdyn

    http://www.dailyjobcuts.com/#.UJwVDQHUOEh.facebook

    • CacheLaPoudre

      Corning Glass Works laid off 225. And their CEO is a big Obama lib.

      • Another Libertarian Communist

        According to Fox Business, Corning said back in October that it was considering these cuts to “contend with underperforming growth in telecom and environmental technology.”

        http://www.foxbusiness.com/news/2012/10/24/as-earnings-disappoint-companies-announce-waves-layoffs/

        • CacheLaPoudre

          Right. Wonder why the sector was under performing?

          • Another Libertarian Communist

            I’d guess reduced consumer demand, due to wealth concentration taking money out of middle class hands. It’s an obvious result of three decades of upward redistribution.

        • CacheLaPoudre

          Right. Wonder why the sector was under performing?

    • Ken Wetalk

      This is all bull sh****. They either let those people go coz they had planned on letting them go, ANYWAY.

      OR they r stupid enuf to play w/peoples’ LIVES & let them go to make a statement due to Robme losing the election.

      POINT being – These people weren’t let go simply because they ‘HAD’ to be let go following the election.

      NOTHING had changed w/the Co. at this point following the election with regard to how the Co. fared prior to the election. so it’s all a bunch of bull sh****.

      All I can say is a lot of lawyers r gonna have ‘work’/cases, & a lot of ’em r going to GET PAID, along w/their clients.

      • doc255

        If you were the kid that whined all the way through school that “Math is hard!”, you jsut might be a liberal…..

    • Another Libertarian Communist

      You should look into the real reasons those companies are cutting jobs. The Westinghouse one, for example, is 50 chemical weapons incinerator workers that finished all of that work back in 2011 and have now finished with all of the work necessary to shut it down. It’s the same case with Umatilla Chemical Depot. They finished their government contract. (You should rejoice. That’s less government spending.)

      Research in Motion makes Blackberry mobile devices and is reacting to being pushed out of the market by iPhones and Droids.

      Lightyear is consolidating two offices into one and getting rid of either 15 or 17 redundant personnel (one office doesn’t need two office managers, for example).

      Providence Journal says they’re letting 23 people go because of reduced ad sales.

      Hawker Beechcraft is doing so to emerge from bankruptcy that resulted from a leveraged buyout in 2006. (By Romney backers Goldman Sachs, no less.)

      I’m not sure about Boeing. Seems legit in this case.

      CVPH Medical Center is laying off 17 people. This was “brought on by cuts in reimbursement, fewer admissions and less use of outpatient services, according to the Plattsburgh hospital.”

      US Cellular has been bought by Sprint and elimination of redundant positions are routine in mergers and acquisitions.

      Commerzbank is a German company with a single office in the US and Iberia is a Spanish airline. Husqvarna is Swedish and half of their layoffs are in Sweden, and I can’t find any announcement that any of the rest are in the US. I can’t quite get up much concern for foreign companies.

      Do I have to go through the rest of them to make it clear that not everything fits the view of the world that we want it to? So far I haven’t seen any that can be directly attributed to Obama administration policies except maybe the Boeing cuts.

      Oh, actually, there is one that I do know of. Rocketdyne is laying off 100 people because of the cancellation of the Space Shuttle program. Is it worth paying about $450 million per mission just to save jobs for 100 people?

  • Gringao

    It’s iron logic: Obamacare makes employees more expensive. When things get more expensive, demand for them goes down. When we are talking about labor, that means unemployment.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=753508460 Aldrin Cave

    hmmm… massive layoffs is going to be the norm now… but that’s not as scary as this –
    if you read the taxcare law, there is a provision penalizing companies that don’t support their employees healthcare benefits to the tune of $2,500.00 per employee per year, if you are the company that pays about $14,000 for each employee healthcare benefit each year – where do you think you’ll save more money?

  • EastValleyConservative

    My boss is going to have to convert me to part time to avoid it. It’s amazing how little these people understand about business and money. Just like the money coming out of Ben Bernanke, they think it’s overflowing and you can just print more.

    • http://twitter.com/Vandymancan Jason VanderRoest

      they do not care about other peoples money as long as they get their free shit

  • thrushjz

    Election day I talked to a small business owner in Greeley, Colo. He was hoping and praying…now he will layoff, and Obamacare may put him out of business.

  • http://www.blogslikeagirl.com Chelle @ Blogs Like a Girl

    Oh yea, lot of tears from heart broken business owners. Which is why this one chick announced her layoffs via twitter. Clearly, heart broken.
    (Also, if you look at her website, that is not a page designed by a company of 50+.)

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/OTNV7AM4TW7WBJNYSUJTFSFOKE Msachtungbaby

    Why do the liberals always have to curse? They use such foul language. Is that all they know how to say? They must have very limited vocabulary. Well then again they are welfare check dependent losers. What else can we expect from those scummy people. They are pretty stupid. If Obama doesn’t understand how the economy works why would these fools understand it. You wanted to re-elect Obama again…well there you have it. And for those Hispanic employees that were let go…too bad! That’s what they get for wanting their black man in the White House. I bet they all voted for Obama. I bet you they did! Oh well…they can join the unemployment line.

  • Joe Smith

    they voted to keep obamacare and obama so live with the consequences just like Obummer you people that voted for him dont understand business you cant run without a budget like obama has done for the last 4 years you cant borrow from china your a business nad must be able to stay within your budget and make a profit to pay everyone obamacare takes this away did all you dumb asses really think this was not going to happen ,you voted him in live with it and shut the fuck up

  • Red Fred

    Perhaps after his royal highness returns from another trip, he can address Benghazi, and the budget, and the fiscal issues. And somebody please, please do something with Reid.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Matt-Bogart/100002295414316 Matt Bogart

    To all of you who think the business owners suck for laying off employees; do you think Boeing is having a “tantrum” too? Other big companies are soon to follow suit. You liberals are idiots. Wait until you starve to death because you can’t support yourselves. Oh, and BTW, did you notice the stock market is down 400 points in 2 days?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000455315456 Sith’ari Jule

    I’m waiting for people to realize that big corporations are going to start dropping health care for their employees. It makes more sense to pay 2 grand penalty tax rather than paying 15 grand a year for health care.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000455315456 Sith’ari Jule

      That is an immediate 13 grand profit.

      • carolina mama

        That’s a phenomenon that has been dubbed “employer dumping”. We’ll probably start seeing how much of an influence this will somewhere in the third or fourth quarter of 2013 (right before the exchanges are scheduled to begin). After Christmas is over, I suspect that a lot of businesses with low profit margins will shift to part-time employment, too. That keeps them from having to pay the employer mandate penalty. (Better part time than seeing the business go under, folks!)

  • writer59

    Face it, it’s game over. We’ve reached the tipping point. The media no longer even tries to hide their bias. They actively worked toward Obama’s re-election. He is never going to be held responsible for anything. He won’t be held responsible for his lies, including Benghazi. Hell, they are talking about lying liar Susan Rice for Secretary of State when Hillary steps down. A little reward for taking the heat for all her lies on the Sunday shows. You too can be a cabinet member—all you have to do is lie to the American people and the families of murdered Americans with a straight face to protect Dear Leader from accepting blame for his role in the tragedy.

    He wasn’t held responsible for the high unemployment rate, the failure of the stimulus, the explosion in the number of Americans using food stamps or on disability, or any of his other failures and his groupies won’t blame him no matter what happens over the next four years. They want free stuff, not freedom, and there are more of them then there are producers like us. The tipping point where more people are riding in the cart than pulling it has been reached. Over half of America doesn’t understand the concepts of being too proud to accept charity, having skin in the game, pulling yourself up by your bootstraps, or accepting an occasional short-term hand-up instead of generation after generation of handouts. They blame businesses for not hiring while demanding they pay more taxes, adhere to more and more costly regulations, and go bankrupt trying to comply with Obamacare, and anyone who dares to own or manage a business is automatically evil and greedy. We are supposed to take all the risks out of the goodness of our hearts so they can benefit from the rewards.

    I used to be very kind and extremely generous, always trying to help others to achieve their dreams and ambitions. After Tuesday, I don’t care anymore. America voted for nanny state government and they can have it, but they better hope the government meets all their needs because they won’t be getting a dime of my money through any charities or foundations. Zip. I’ll pay my taxes and that’s it. The rest will go toward my loved ones. If I’m going to be called evil and greedy every day for working hard my whole life to build a successful business, I’m going to give them exactly that.

    • Concerned

      I along with many of my overly generous family and friends seem the feel the same way. No more help from us… you now have your savior Obama to help you.

      • writer59

        I have favorite charities that I donate to through automatic donations each month and I’ve already canceled all of them. When given the chance to explain why, I was very specific. I told them that America has chosen nanny state government and since the government was going to take care of everyone’s needs, they wouldn’t need my donations anymore.

        • Concerned

          Exactly. We have all done the same. My mom even fired her maid, which she only really hired to help her(the maid) out with work. No more extra bonuses for the staff we do need to keep though.

    • doc255

      I’m right there with you….feel sad for the folks at USO, Salvation Army, and St. Jude’s, but enough is enough. Have you noticed the up-tick in ads for charitable organizations lately? Maybe they should ask all of those getting all of the government goodies for some help. The rest of us are darn near broke.

  • JannyMae

    Wow, the ignorance and stupidity of some of those Tweeters is simply astounding. They really have NO CLUE how business works and ABSOLUTELY no clue about Obamacare.

    • doc255

      That’s right. The only thing they know is that they are going to get something else for free…..just wait until they find out the they’ll have to wait a year to get into a doctor, if they’re lucky enough to find one. Many of the ones I know are getting ready to throw in the towel….

  • LeighLeigh

    If I had to lay off people, I would fire the Obama voters first….check their cars in the parking lot for obama stickers, if they wore t-shirts with his face on it, and if they are the ones who don’t “believe in paying their dues”….get the hell out mutha frackers!

  • Ken Wetalk

    — It’s unfortunate, but the idiot Democrats have some of the public trained to blame the business owners without considering the FACT that the business owners HAD to fire people in RESPONSE to what Gov’t does! —

    –Um. You are the one that is deluded. It is happening because of Obamacare and President Obama’s re-election. These business owners were hoping and praying for a Romney win, and a way to ease the untenable burdens placed on them by these regulations, so that they would not have to do this. Small business owners are heartbroken over having to lay off employees, who are like family to them. They are devastated–.

    Both of these above comments are bull crap, and similar comments on here making this claim are ALL BULL CRAP, as well. If your business was RELYING on a Presidential Candidate to win, then your business is CRAP! This isn’t a f***in’ horse race, ok? How long have these people been in business? And how many Presidents have come and gone since they’ve been in business? Have they been firing, hirng, &/or raising/lowering employee pay significantly following elections? If so (or if not), why all the hoop-LAH now? Why is it all of a sudden ‘NEWS’? When I read this bull sh*** abt how a CEO ‘had’ to let employees go due the election results, it’s the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard of. Why not just fire those who r making the MOST money annually & sucking up all your beneifit funds?

    It’s all a bunch of racist bull crap. If nothing but white workers are fired, who are (more than likely) making MOST of the money in the Co., ANYWAY, then i’ll give u that.

    But basically, MOST of the people who were told their job will be in jeopardy following an Obama win, are those who are believed to likely vote for &/or support Obama. Bottom line. Fire white workers, ONLY, regardless of who they (may have) voted for, then I stand corrected to ‘THOSE’ particular CEOs. However, the rest of ’em are full of sh!T.

    This is a bunch of racially motivated political bull crap trying to show people who supported Obama, that his being in the White House is not good for them, their success, or the economy, & it serves them right for voting for him. Anyone w/half a brain knows it’s bull sh****. Oh yeah, they may have fired people, but u can bet it’s not gonna effect their business one way or the other. They’re (obviously) firing people they didn’t need (or want) in the first place, and feel they can do without. They may boost their profits a bit, due to the salaries not being paid, but these r cuts they probably ‘needed’ in the 1st place. EVERY business has payments & people they pay they could do without.

    Companies who are laying people off or letting them go ‘claiming’ it’s due the election were either:

    1. On the brink of having to let those people go, anyway, & now have a (so-called) valid reason.

    2. Trying to make a statement because they wanted Romney to win, so they’re firing likely Obama voters &/or supporters to make a point (however low-life & classless their point IS).

    or 3. –There IS no #3. The bottom line is – to lead people to believe that had Romney won the election, these people they have let go or laid off will still have their jobs, BECAUSE of the ‘economy’ is LUDICROUS. They may have still have held onto their jobs, but it would be because their snotty nosed cry-baby CEO was happy & felt no need to make a statement against the election results, since their ‘boy’ Robme won. That’s the bottom line. [Of course it more than likely saved him (or her) a little money, too, by firing people, why not do it w/a supposedly legitimate reason?)] i.e. These are cuts & adjustments they would’ve liked to have made for quite some time, but had no (apparent) justification to do so. But guess what, NOW we can blame it on the black guy that they got fired. LMAO!! TOO FUNNY!! These articles are circus comedy acts!! Any lawyer would have a field day with these cases.

    Yeah, that’s right. I SAID it. It’s ALL right there above. It’s bull sh****, bull sh****, ALL BULL SH***!! ..just like the Republican Campaign’s tactics to win the election were ALL bull sh****.

    And you can take that to the BANK! (no pun intended)lol

    USMC, Ret.

    • mike_in_kosovo

      You’re right – everything you wrote up there above *is* all bullshit.

  • http://twitter.com/JohnRossBowie JohnRossBowie

    Still no word on who the Vegas guy is? Anything on Hope Realtor? No? Still just a couple dozens links to the same story? Still people announcing layoffs on Twitter without any corroboration. OK. Let us know when anything develops. “Twitter- the new news!”

  • Ken Wetalk

    — It’s unfortunate, but the idiot Democrats have some of the public trained to blame the business owners without considering the FACT that the business owners HAD to fire people in RESPONSE to what Gov’t does! —

    –Um. You are the one that is deluded. It is happening because of Obamacare and President Obama’s re-election. These business owners were hoping and praying for a Romney win, and a way to ease the untenable burdens placed on them by these regulations, so that they would not have to do this. Small business owners are heartbroken over having to lay off employees, who are like family to them. They are devastated–.

    Both of these above comments are bull crap, and similar comments on here making this claim are ALL BULL CRAP, as well. If your business was RELYING on a Presidential Candidate to win, then your business is CRAP! This isn’t a f***in’ horse race, ok? How long have these people been in business? And how many Presidents have come and gone since they’ve been in business? Have they been firing, hirng, &/or raising/lowering employee pay significantly following elections? If so (or if not), why all the hoop-LAH now? Why is it all of a sudden ‘NEWS’? When I read this bull sh*** abt how a CEO ‘had’ to let employees go due the election results, it’s the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard of. Why not just fire those who r making the MOST money annually & sucking up all your beneifit funds?

    It’s all a bunch of racist bull crap. If nothing but white workers are fired, who are making MOST of the money in the Co., ANYWAY, then i’ll give u that.

    But basically, MOST of the people who were told their job will be in jeopardy following an Obama win, are those who are believed to likely vote for Obama. Bottom line. Fire white workers, ONLY, regardless of who they (may have) voted for, then I stand corrected to ‘THOSE’ particular CEOs. However, the rest of ’em are full of sh!T.

    This is a bunch of racially motivated political bull crap trying to show people who supported Obama, that his being in the White House is not good for them, their success, or the economy. Anyone w/half a brain knows it’s bull sh****. Oh yeah, they may have fired people, but u can bet it’s not gonna effect their business one way or the other. They’re (obviously) firing people they didn’t need (or want) in the first place, and feel they can do without.

    Companies who are laying people off or letting them go ‘claiming’ it’s due the election were either:

    1. On the brink of having to let those people go, anyway, & now have a (so-called) valid reason.

    2. Trying to make a statement because they wanted Romney to win, so they’re firing likely Obama voters &/or supporters to make a point (however low-life & classless their point IS).

    or 3. –There IS no #3. The bottom line is – to lead people to believe that had Romney won the election, these people they have let go or laid off will still have their jobs, BECAUSE of the ‘economy’ is LUDICROUS. They may still have their jobs, but it would be because their snotty nosed cry-baby CEO was happy & felt no need to make a statement against the election results.

    Yeah, that’s right. I SAID it. it’s ALL right there above. it’s bull sh****, bull sh****, just like the Republican Campaign’s tactics to win the election were ALL bull sh****.

    And you can take that to the BANK! (no pun intended)lol

    USMC, Ret.

    • doc255

      How about you start a business and try to run it with all of the government over-regulation, and now Obamacare which really takes the cake, and try, just TRY to make enough money to cover your overhead and have enough left over to pay your own personal bills, hmmm? Are you that bad at math that you can’t understand that businesses can’t survive if they are paying out more than they are taking in? Do you not understand the concept of “small business”? Small businesses can employ anywhere from one to a couple of thousand people. Of course, you seem to think that small business owners are evil and greedy if they want to be able to keep their doors open, or make any kind of profit. do you realize that many small business owners take home less than $50,000/yr. They are part of the middle class, not the “1%” that you libs hate so much. Tell me which is worse then…laying off the required number of employees to get below the government-set amount that triggers mandatory participation in this fiasco, or keeping all of these employees, not being able to afford to pay for their new and improved, government-mandated benefits, going bankrupt and closing down, so that ALL of your employees lose their jobs? And as for firing people, most business owners lay off those with the least seniority first. That would more than likely explain the number of minorities being fired. On the other hand, if it’s not a union shop (and most small businesses aren’t), then you get rid of those employees with the fewest skills and keep those who are most suited to do the work of three people.
      Now that you are retired (and thank you for serving, BTW), maybe you have the time to take a business course and get up to speed….this is not a conspiracy to destroy the working class. This is a conspiracy to destroy private business, which then necessarily brings about the destruction of the middle class. Of course, Obama is counting on those folks (who don’t know anything about business) to be mad at the business owners, instead of the liberals who came up with this crap when they knew full well that this is exactly what was going to happen. Now they can sit back, wipe their hands and pretend that they are innocent. Remember, elections have consequences, and you are about to learn what happens when knowledge-deficient voters show up at the polls

  • LeighLeigh

    In Obama’s America, I envision this person being arrested and put in jail for stirring up tensions in America and causing crazy business owners to lay people off!!! I mean, if a film is responsible for Obama not lifting a finger to save 4 Americans in Benghazi, ie doing his job, yet he blames riots that didn’t exist as a result of said film, it could happen….I mean this is going to be a domino effect started by this one person, not Obama or his policies!!!!! He loves to spread the blame around, along with our tax dollars.

  • Al Sharptons Hair

    These leftists are complete idiots! Did they all go to the Debbie Wassermann Schultz Business School?

  • CalMum

    Wait until the doctors start pushing back… It was already hard enough to get an appointment already!

    • carolina mama

      About the doctors…private practice docs are torn between a desire to do something that many of them love doing and finding a way to still operate in the black as a business. For the time being, many of them will survive, but come late 2013 and into 2014, there are few Obamacare regs that kick in that will hit them pretty hard. Especially for those getting low reimbursement rates, such as primary practice docs, pediatricians, etc. That’s when they’ll have to start making tough choices of either selling out their business or shutting down.

  • James Paul

    Yeah, start taking all small businesses to court, that will help the overall financial situation allright.

  • The_Original

    We were going to hire, but we are not going to hire now. In fact, we are going to probably have to close up a spot or two. If we want to survive, we have to trim down with all of the taxes that are going to be coming at us.

  • DianaRae_FL

    It is truly mind boggling that the left just doesn’t get it. They just automatically think this is out of “spite.” What part of this entire election process did they not understand when a MAJORITY of the American people stated did not WANT Obamacare? Those of us that own small businesses won’t survive and have to do what we can TO survive because of Ocare. It’s cold hard facts. These people can bitch all they want to, but WE have to survive with our own families.

  • Scruffy McGee

    Had Romney won, every economic ill he’d face would have been blamed mercilessly and unceasingly on him. ESPECIALLY economic problems that had their roots in the Obama regime. Well Mitt, at least you won’t have that undeserved yoke on your neck.

    Obama, you won. NOW YOU OWN THIS COUNTRY’S PROBLEMS AND YOUR (FULLY EXPECTED) BUMBLING OF THE ATTEMPT TO SOLVE THEM FOR THE NEXT FOUR YEARS.

    Obama will always have his admirers and be respected as our first black president, yada yada, but in the end, historians will consider him one of our worst presidents. And mark his reign as the threshold for turning America into a bankrupt, low-growth, high-unemployment european-style socialist state.

  • HealthyAmerican

    Here’s a couple more anecdotes: 1) My wife was told back in March that she was due for – and deserved – a promotion, but that all promotion, hiring, and expansion had been put on hold pending the outcome of the election. Now that Obama has won and Obamacare will be permanent, those holds are in effect indefinitely. All money for hiring/expansion/promotion will be going to pay for insurance…and I’m on my wife’s plan. We just received notice my premium will increase from 140 to 300/month. 2) I live near the world’s largest Industrial Park; a few major corporations have relocated their warehouse/distributorships there. A couple months ago I was speaking to the president of the company that owns the land on which the park is located. He informed me that as many as 30 companies were waiting to relocate or expand there but were waiting the outcome of the election. If Obama won, most of these companies would not be able to relocate/expand. He couldn’t be specific, but he told me a lot of these were “corporations every person on earth would recognize.”

  • Another Libertarian Communist

    Read the REAL reasons for the layoffs here:

    http://www.dailyjobcuts.com/#.UJwVDQHUOEh.facebook

  • Guest

    I just hope a lot of the people laid off voted for obama.

  • dts3204

    Is Anybody tracking the losses as they mount, meaning not a government agency. Looks like it is starting to really get bad during the lame duck.

  • dts3204

    Is Anybody tracking the losses as they mount, meaning not a government agency. Looks like it is starting to really get bad during the lame duck.

  • http://www.insomniaclibertarian.blogspot.com BruceMajors4DC

    Soon the Obamanoids will be having food riots in the streets, mauling each other.

  • http://www.insomniaclibertarian.blogspot.com BruceMajors4DC

    Soon the Obamanoids will be having food riots in the streets, mauling each other.

  • localnet

    Obama will still blame Bush, this is how all liberals operate. In Michigan we had to put up with 8 years of Jenny Granholm telling us how badly our previous governor messed up the state. The previous governor left Granholm a pretty stable economy that was growing and a surplus of cash. The woman was a disaster to the state, and she still blames Bush and Gov Engler for all our woes. Liberalism is a mental disease.

  • localnet

    Obama will still blame Bush, this is how all liberals operate. In Michigan we had to put up with 8 years of Jenny Granholm telling us how badly our previous governor messed up the state. The previous governor left Granholm a pretty stable economy that was growing and a surplus of cash. The woman was a disaster to the state, and she still blames Bush and Gov Engler for all our woes. Liberalism is a mental disease.

  • localnet

    This is just the beginning, I tried to call my accountant yesterday, to busy to take the call. Me and a buddy are in the process of starting a business, but do not know yet if the promised contracts will be available now, its in the energy sector. In fact, we do not know if our current jobs will last into the first quarter, also in the energy sector. I have never felt so beat up in my life… My wife will find out in a couple of weeks if she will have a job come the first of the year, she has been with her present company for over 20 years. I hate to say this, but it looks like America is ending as I once knew her. This is not the country I was raised in, nor the country I served.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/SFW7E7NUGWVLA3TAUINDXYEMK4 S.

    Add my company to the list….We are working a deal now to shut down manufacturing and go overseas to china….Last one left, turn out the lights…..

  • Joe_E_in_the_IE

    Not at all surprising when a country elects a president whose union buddies call “mom-n-pop” businesses like ethnic grocers the last bastion of slave labor while using every means possible to keep cost-cutting stores like Target and Walmart from opening because “it will destroy the neighborhood”. But it’s never a bad thing when Safeway or Ralphs or any other union grocer comes to town and duplicates the selection of the local ethnic grocers, effectively putting them out of business.

  • http://twitter.com/shelby2783 shelby2783

    Wow most of these people complaining to the business’ have never even owned a business and couldn’t know the stress and complications. My parents owned a business and I saw the hardship it can do and this obamacare is not helping its hurting.

  • Billy Butch

    Love “Yoni C”. That genius’ solution to a small business owner was to…and I quote…”hire a web developer to generate more business”. Yoni go back to playing video games and eating Cheetos.

  • WhiteFalcon1

    ·
    LETTER FROM THE BOSS…..

    As the CEO of this organization, I have resigned myself to the fact that Barack
    Obama is our President and that our taxes and government fees will increase in
    a BIG way. To compensate for these increases, our prices would have to increase
    by about 10%. But since we cannot increase our prices right now due to the
    dismal state of the economy, we will have to lay off six of our employees
    instead.

    ·
    This has really been bothering me, since I believe we are family here and I didn’t know how to choose who would have to go.

    ·
    So, this is what I did. I walked through our parking
    lot and found six ‘Obama’ bumper stickers on our employees’ cars and have decided these folks will be the ones to let go. I can’t think of a more fair
    way to approach this problem.

    They voted for change, I gave it to them.

    I will see the rest of you at the annual company picnic.

    Thank You… a message…

    • http://www.facebook.com/paul.b.shelley Paul B Shelley

      That is a lawsuit…

  • http://www.facebook.com/paul.b.shelley Paul B Shelley

    That’s right, bury your heads in the sand. It will totally work, after all who needs to work for food, water, shelter or an income when you can vote for it. Welcome to Liberal America, where the Bourgeoisie are vilified and the Proletariat are set to create a workers paradise.

  • StevenDobbs

    a lot of stupid libtards

  • Sherri Lucas-Gibson

    Why not go check out the twitter account of hoperealtor.. she is all N*****r this and that.. talks about a lot of things I bet would make a lot of you wonder if you really want to agree with a person of that ilk.. IJS

  • bodhisoma

    I find it difficult to imagine something more central to the American ethos than the right to vote, unmolested, nor would I be engaging in demagoguery by suggesting those who would champion such a tactic be summarily rounded up and deposited just past the border.

    Having found ours lacking, perhaps they can coerce each other into a more perfect union.

  • BruceMichaelGrant

    HERE is John Galt.

  • Baitcarfun

    2013 will be called the year your fired or layoff the only people to keep there jobs will be goverment workers and the MSM, and if you think anyone is going to hear about you from the MSM your wrong, you will be like the many new homeless, people standing in line for free food and people looking for a doctors, there no way the MSM will show or talk bad about the MSM holy one, Obama you know he walks on water to the Democrats party and the MSM, we need a new kind of GOP leader who make the MSM look like fools one that will get in the face of the MSM call them for what they are. lying cover up unamerica losers

  • exlogger

    Congratulations to the Democrats and Young People! You now own it.
    The next terrorist attack, you own it.
    Can’t get a job after graduation, you own it.
    Sky rocketing energy prices due to Obama’s EPA shutting down the energy producing states, you own it.
    A nuclear Iran, you own it.
    Bowing to the Soviet Union, you own it.
    Another severe recession, you own it.
    A volatile border with Mexico, you own it.
    Trouble getting good health care, you own it.
    Higher heath insurance costs and health care costs, you own it.
    No medical treatment because you are over 70, you just take a pain pill, you own it.
    Higher food cost, you own it.
    More illegal immigrants living on taxpayer dollars, you own it.
    No budget, you own it.
    Run away inflation (It is coming), you own it.
    Our allies mistrust us, you own it.
    Another trillion of debt, you own it.
    More Benghazi situations, you own it.
    No one willing to join the military, you own it.
    Hey! We don’t need a military anyway, ’cause you own it.
    Trouble getting to loan to buy a home, you own it.
    More dependency on food stamps, you own it.
    Trouble finding good employment, you own it.
    Several part time jobs instead of a good job, you own it.
    A World Government, you own it.
    The UN governing the United States instead of ourselves, you own it.
    A Senate that will not bring any legislation to the table rather it is “Dead on Arrival”, you own it.
    China controlling our world trade trampling all over us, you own it.
    Loss of our freedoms as we have known it in the past, you own it.
    A dictatorship instead of a democracy that follows the Constitution, you own it.
    Less take home pay and higher living costs, you own it.
    Driving a car that looks like a toy, you own it.
    More government corruption and lies, you own it.
    More toleration of extreme and fanatical Islamists (including Sharia Law), you own it.
    Terrorist attacks called work place incidents, you own it.
    Your revenge instead of love of country, you own it.
    President George Bush is out of it (forever) now, and there is not another good man for you to villify and lie about.
    In a way I am relieved that another good man will not be blamed when it was impossible to clean up this mess you voted for.
    Goodness, don’t you feel good now? Because you own it

  • MK

    What would be the proposal by the independent leaning individuals, or republicans, following this blog to ameliorate the health care problem in the country then? Something other than the currently abusive, unregulated insurance company mess and other than government mandates, such as Obamacare. I’m not a fan of Obamacare myself, so would like to be informed on what viable options are being discussed (rather than hearing partisan hate noise; unproductive). Thanks.

  • tpatt100

    Just shows how bad off Americans are when it.comes to healthcare or a lot of liars on the internet. I have a hard time understanding how Obamacare costs outweigh the operating costs for the employees “laid off” or possible lost productivity and revenue.