Charlie Sheen smears GMOs: ‘Why are the bees vanishing?’

Actor Charlie Sheen is urging his 8 million Twitter followers to vote for California Proposition 37, which would require labeling of food that contains genetically-modified organisms. He implies that this measure would help restore honey bee populations, which have shrunk in recent years.

Why are bees vanishing? Are genetically-modified organisms (GMOs) responsible, as Sheen asserts?

Back in April 2009, Scientific American wrote a lengthy article addressing the issue. The article was based on analysis by an inter-disciplinary team of experts from government and academia. If you want to read the whole thing, you have to pay for it, but here’s the relevant part:

One theory favored by many concerned citizens was that bees could have been poisoned by pollen from genetically modified crops, specifically the so-called Bt crops. Bt crops contain a gene for an insecticidal toxin produced by the bacterium Bacillus thuringiensis. When pest caterpillars feed on crops producing these toxins, they die. But already before the onset of CCD [colony collapse disorder], research had shown that the Bt toxin becomes activated only in the guts of caterpillars, mosquitoes and some beetles. The digestive tracts of honeybees and of many other insects do not allow Bt to work.

The growing consensus among researchers is that multiple factors—such as poor nutrition and exposure to pesticides—can interact to weaken colonies and make them susceptible to a virus-mediated collapse. In the case of our experiments in greenhouses, the stress of being confined to a relatively small space could have been enough to make colonies succumb to IAPV [the Israeli acute paralysis virus] and die with CCD-like symptoms. More recent results from long-term monitoring have identified other unexpected factors for increased colony loss, including the fungicide chlorothalonil. Research is now focused on understanding how these factors relate to colony collapse.

The notion that pesticides may be responsible seems to be gaining currency:

A widely used farm pesticide first introduced in the 1990s has caused significant changes to bee colonies and removing it could be the key factor in restoring nature’s army of pollinators, according to two studies released Thursday.

The scientists behind the studies in Europe called for regulators to consider banning the class of chemicals known as neonicotinoid insecticides. In the U.S., the Environmental Protection Agency told msnbc.com that the studies would be incorporated into a review that’s currently under way.

A pesticide trade group questioned the data, saying the levels of pesticide used were unrealistically high, while the researchers said the levels used were typical of what bees would find on farms.

The jury is still out about neonicotinoid insecticides, but two things seem clear. First, GMOs aren’t the culprit for vanishing bees. Second, Charlie Sheen is full of it.

But it gets worse. Sheen also tweeted that GMOs have been linked to tumors:

The implication is that genetically-modified food is putting all of us at risk of cancer. Scary!

We’re guessing the claim is based on a much-hyped French study published in September which showed that rats fed Roundup Ready® corn developed cancer at higher rates than control rats fed non-GMO corn. The researchers, however, have come under intense criticism for poor methodology and shady research practices. Here’s what one plant biotechnology researcher said about the study:

“There is very little scientific credibility to this paper,” said Martina Newell-McGloughlin, a plant biotechnologist at the University of California, Davis. “The flaws in the test are just incredible to me. To be totally honest with you, the type of statistical analysis they used is really a type of fishing expedition. One individual referred to it as ‘fantasy statistics.'”

Fortunately, the scare tactics used by Sheen and other proponents of Proposition 37 do not appear to be working. Polls show support for the ballot initiative plunging.

  • mayume

    Dont you think poor Charlie needs to be much more concerned about his deteriorating mental health and drug addictions than bees?

    • https://twitter.com/davidjkramer DavidKramer

      TIGER BLOOD!

    • https://twitter.com/davidjkramer DavidKramer

      TIGER BLOOD!

  • Lynn

    Maybe someone needs to explain to dear Charlie what abusing drugs & alcohol are linked to.

    • http://twitter.com/CoolinMeyers Fish.

      Agreed. I guess he forgot what are in drugs that hurt your body. That sure is #Winning alright. Smh

    • http://twitter.com/CoolinMeyers Fish.

      Agreed. I guess he forgot what are in drugs that hurt your body. That sure is #Winning alright. Smh

    • Bree Olson

      Charlie Sheen snorts only the finest quality organic pesticide-free cocaine, grown on a Colombian biodynamic farm that practices fair trade.

      • http://extremesplash.wordpress.com/ Ben Bollman

        Lol Bree Olson

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1800174516 Spook MrsSpooky

    “Polls show support for the ballot initiative plunging.” That’s tragic. VERY bad news to those of us who want to know what we’re eating. If it was only the French study that would be one thing, but the Russians have done their own study, and when tested for it, that toxin is showing up in people’s blood, as well as fetal blood. Won’t even go into the damage it causes to the soil where that stuff is planted. I don’t want to eat it so I’ve had to start buying organic. Not that Sheen is exactly a credible advocate, but he had the right idea. Looks like we have the right to do everything but know what’s in our food.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1800174516 Spook MrsSpooky

    “Polls show support for the ballot initiative plunging.” That’s tragic. VERY bad news to those of us who want to know what we’re eating. If it was only the French study that would be one thing, but the Russians have done their own study, and when tested for it, that toxin is showing up in people’s blood, as well as fetal blood. Won’t even go into the damage it causes to the soil where that stuff is planted. I don’t want to eat it so I’ve had to start buying organic. Not that Sheen is exactly a credible advocate, but he had the right idea. Looks like we have the right to do everything but know what’s in our food.

  • fpbiv375

    Charlie Sheen maybe a lunatic, but this is a case of the blind squirrel finding the nut. Check out the documentary “Food Inc.” for more on Monsanto and the GMOs. I’m a Chef by trade and this is a real situation of Corporations putting $$$ before the welfare of mankind. If there was nothing going on, why are so many countries unwilling to allow American food products inside their borders? Once again, Charlie is a retard, but this is a critical issue!

    • AMERICAN Kafir™(KAdams)

      Agreed. http://www.sweetpoison.com spells out the adverse effects of artificial sweeteners, and also do a little research on your magnatron(microwave) and what actually happens to your food when you ‘nuke’ it.

      GMO isn’t hybridization. When Monsanto or some other chemical company, like Dow or DuPont modify an organism, they introduce an alien gene from another organism via a vector, normally some sort of virus. It’s a terrible practice, and there are many unintended consequences.

      Also, check out CWD(Chronic wasting disease in deer, Mad Cow in cattle), White-nose syndrome in bats, for in addition to the bee population becoming diminished, so is the bat population. Dr. Patrica Doyle is a guest on the Jeff Rense program, and reports on emerging diseases, along with Dr. Henry L. Niman, who researches the H1N1/H5N1 flu mutations at http://www.recombinomics.com.

      Charlie’s not too far off on this one.

    • AMERICAN Kafir™(KAdams)

      Agreed. http://www.sweetpoison.com spells out the adverse effects of artificial sweeteners, and also do a little research on your magnatron(microwave) and what actually happens to your food when you ‘nuke’ it.

      GMO isn’t hybridization. When Monsanto or some other chemical company, like Dow or DuPont modify an organism, they introduce an alien gene from another organism via a vector, normally some sort of virus. It’s a terrible practice, and there are many unintended consequences.

      Also, check out CWD(Chronic wasting disease in deer, Mad Cow in cattle), White-nose syndrome in bats, for in addition to the bee population becoming diminished, so is the bat population. Dr. Patrica Doyle is a guest on the Jeff Rense program, and reports on emerging diseases, along with Dr. Henry L. Niman, who researches the H1N1/H5N1 flu mutations at http://www.recombinomics.com.

      Charlie’s not too far off on this one.

    • https://twitter.com/davidjkramer DavidKramer

      You answered your very own question. The important component is “American food products”. Look there for your answer.

    • https://twitter.com/davidjkramer DavidKramer

      You answered your very own question. The important component is “American food products”. Look there for your answer.

    • Julie

      Agree Frank and have to say a little suprised Twitchy is making fun of GMO risks- Charlie yes, but GMOs are a real issue.

  • fpbiv375

    Charlie Sheen maybe a lunatic, but this is a case of the blind squirrel finding the nut. Check out the documentary “Food Inc.” for more on Monsanto and the GMOs. I’m a Chef by trade and this is a real situation of Corporations putting $$$ before the welfare of mankind. If there was nothing going on, why are so many countries unwilling to allow American food products inside their borders? Once again, Charlie is a retard, but this is a critical issue!

  • disqus_jUEMufyAVy

    You should hang out by phoenix Bus stop trash cans theres plenty of honey bees….

  • disqus_jUEMufyAVy

    You should hang out by phoenix Bus stop trash cans theres plenty of honey bees….

  • medicinewomantwo

    Someone with his public persona does nothing but kill any chance a serious issue will be taken seriously……he’s damaged goods and a joke to normal everyday hard working people.

    • AMERICAN Kafir™(KAdams)

      He’s the boy who cried ‘winning’… Not that many people consider what most celebs have to say. Look at what they say on Twitter…

  • medicinewomantwo

    Someone with his public persona does nothing but kill any chance a serious issue will be taken seriously……he’s damaged goods and a joke to normal everyday hard working people.

  • Jerry J Brown

    Charlie has no credibility to talk about this important subject. Truth is, there’s not enough research about GMO’s to say whether they’re harmful or not. But why are they fighting soooo hard to NOT label them? Don’t you want to know what’s in your food? They are splicing eel genes into farm raised salmon. Would you eat that?

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002109532283 Jillane Kent

      Don’t people, worldwide, already eat both eel and salmon?

      • Jerry J Brown

        Not genetically combined. Please look it up

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002109532283 Jillane Kent

          So the FDA was lying when they stated it was safe?

      • redheadgrl

        A lot of GMO veggies are chemically altered. Pesticides entered into the genetic makeup so bugs won’t eat the crops. It’s more than combining an eel with a salmon.

      • redheadgrl

        A lot of GMO veggies are chemically altered. Pesticides entered into the genetic makeup so bugs won’t eat the crops. It’s more than combining an eel with a salmon.

    • Purple State

      Right, that’s the point. This bill doesn’t force any kind of regulation. Just a label on the package. And the big food companies are terrified of it passing.

    • Purple State

      Right, that’s the point. This bill doesn’t force any kind of regulation. Just a label on the package. And the big food companies are terrified of it passing.

  • Jerry J Brown

    BTW, Obama appointed a former Monsanto guy to agriculture czar. http://www.organicconsumers.org/articles/article_18866.cfm

  • HannahJK

    It’s ironic that liberals say they just love going forward but whenever humans solve problems and improve lives they attack the solution because it was “manmade” and start generating fears and paranoia about it! Just wait. Every single alternative energy that they’re promoting will be attacked some day…. starting with the day that it actually becomes viable.

    To some degree this is just human nature but we are living longer than ever so we need to keep things in perspective.

  • Danny Wheeler

    Man, the libs are slipping…

  • NCRelite

    We don’t need to burden the already beleaguered private sector with more regulations, do your own homework if you care about eating non-GMO. Besides if that’s what the consumer wants then they’ll seek out foods with the non-GMO label; vote with your dollars. Don’t always run to the government to solve your problems!

  • Joel A. Edge

    And I thought the Democrats were blaming Mitt Romney for causing cancer. IS MITT ROMNEY A GMO???!!! You just gotta laugh at the Dems.

    • my preciousss!!

      bees are conservative, they’ve migrated out of CA. heh.
      (lots of honeybees where i am)

  • Steve_J

    See the permanent damage drugs can do to a persons brain.

  • Julie Gannon

    is more govt in CA the answer to this, I don’t think so.

    • redheadgrl

      It’s just requiring GMO foods to be labeled as GMO so buyers can know and make a choice.

    • redheadgrl

      It’s just requiring GMO foods to be labeled as GMO so buyers can know and make a choice.

  • KLeC

    After his post 9/11 statements, how could this tool ever be taken seriously? Pass the damn honey.

  • Badgirlsofthenorth

    Well, Charlie, food IS medicine, and real organic food will help undo your self abusing lifestyle. Regardless of that, I do agree with you on the GMO’s and the plight of the bees. Pretty simple to connect the dots, regardless of what the Evil Monsanto and their bed partner the BO try to brainwash us with.

  • http://twitter.com/thetugboatphil TugboatPhil

    The big problem in my part of the country has been mites. There are treatments now to get rid of them, but can only be done outside the honey producing times. I’ve noticed our bees coming back, but am not sure they are wild, as we have several keepers within a mile of us.

    http://www.ca.uky.edu/entomology/entfacts/ef608.asp

    • HannahJK

      Our backyard was invaded by bees this year. Mostly honey bees, but also bumble bees and some strange looking ones. I suspect that a neighbor was putting super sugary water in their hummingbird feeders but they wouldn’t fess up.

  • http://twitter.com/thetugboatphil TugboatPhil

    The big problem in my part of the country has been mites. There are treatments now to get rid of them, but can only be done outside the honey producing times. I’ve noticed our bees coming back, but am not sure they are wild, as we have several keepers within a mile of us.

    http://www.ca.uky.edu/entomology/entfacts/ef608.asp

  • https://twitter.com/davidjkramer DavidKramer

    I would agree that products should be allowed to label that they are non GMO. I think I have read they are not allowed to. Also the labeling of organic is highly regulated. By the way, this message is completely non GMO. Get more obama.

  • https://twitter.com/davidjkramer DavidKramer

    I would agree that products should be allowed to label that they are non GMO. I think I have read they are not allowed to. Also the labeling of organic is highly regulated. By the way, this message is completely non GMO. Get more obama.

  • http://extremesplash.wordpress.com/ Ben Bollman

    As a farmer, GMO corn has been the lifeblood of the farming industry. I love how all these liberal celebrities freak out any time they hear ‘genetically modified’ without knowing a thing about it. ‘Genetically Modified’ simply means that corn has another naturally occurring trait from another plant or another variety of corn, there is nothing sinister or cancer-causing about it. Without GMO crops there is no way farmers could feed everyone and prices would be way higher than they already are.

    • Alex123

      Well…. Just like many of us never thought that Lance Armstrong . . .

      • http://extremesplash.wordpress.com/ Ben Bollman

        That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever, congratulations.

  • http://extremesplash.wordpress.com/ Ben Bollman

    As a farmer, GMO corn has been the lifeblood of the farming industry. I love how all these liberal celebrities freak out any time they hear ‘genetically modified’ without knowing a thing about it. ‘Genetically Modified’ simply means that corn has another naturally occurring trait from another plant or another variety of corn, there is nothing sinister or cancer-causing about it. Without GMO crops there is no way farmers could feed everyone and prices would be way higher than they already are.

  • https://twitter.com/davidjkramer DavidKramer

    One more point in regards to GMO, the major problem is with the cross pollination of GMO grains. The GMO plants cross pollinate with the grains in non GMO crops and then the legacy grains are contaminated. Then the GMO companies turn around and sue farmers that use their own grains to re plant the following year. Because of the cross pollination, the GMO companies claim they are breaking patent rights.

    • http://extremesplash.wordpress.com/ Ben Bollman

      When you buy GMO grain you sign a technology agreement that says you cannot use it as seed the next year. They spend million of dollars and years in research to breed those plants so it is understandable they wouldn’t want people to screw it up.

      • https://twitter.com/davidjkramer DavidKramer

        So how does that apply to what I stated? Let us say I am a farmer that uses legacy grains and save a certain quantity of my grains for the next year. The farmer next door uses a GMO crop that contaminates my grain. Explain to me how EXACTLY I am breaking their patent rights? They would be the ones that contaminated my grains.

        I have seen several court cases with this very scenario.

        • kch50428

          Dude… your “legacy grains” are/were genetically modified via hybridization. Has been that way for decades.

          • https://twitter.com/davidjkramer DavidKramer

            And YOUR point? People are not allowed to use their own grain to create their own next year crop? Both you and the previous commenter is not addressing my comment. Come on people………..focus.

          • https://twitter.com/davidjkramer DavidKramer

            Also kch……..are you saying that someone owns the rights to hybridization? Your comment is an example of does not follow, aka Non sequitur.

        • http://extremesplash.wordpress.com/ Ben Bollman

          I am saying when you sign that agreement it becomes illegal to reuse or sell for seed the corn you grow, that is the bottom line. The traits were patented and even if they were cross pollinated that grain still carries those traits.

          • https://twitter.com/davidjkramer DavidKramer

            So, what is a farmer that DOES NOT sign any agreement with a GMO grain producer do? Are they forced to shutdown their farm because……….how pollen acts? This is the common sense thing that is missing from juris prudence. The farmers that do not buy from the large corporations in no way sign any contractual agreement, therefore how are they in anyway contractually obligated in any shape or form for how nature acts?

            This is what I am getting at. You cannot be FORCED into a contractual agreement, well at least you could not before Roberts and the other insanos in the SC stated you could. But of course if the government states it is really a tax, then I guess they can. Getting sidetracked slightly here.

            I am just saying that farmers that have NOT signed any agreements or purchased any GMO grain are getting forced to close or pay for things they never agreed to.

            Just for an instance, let us say I create a virus that is actually beneficial to computer operation and then I spread it, does that mean I can force people to pay me for that? This is what I am getting at.

          • http://extremesplash.wordpress.com/ Ben Bollman

            Those traits are patented and are theirs technically even if they are cross-pollinated, not saying people who sell it unknowingly should be fined or prosecuted but technically those traits are not theirs and I have a hard time believing that someone growing non-GMO for seed wouldn’t know that the field next or near to them growing GMO would cross-pollinate. There is a certain level of care and common sense involved here and if they are selling it for seed it is their duty to know stuff like that.

          • https://twitter.com/davidjkramer DavidKramer

            Are you being obtuse on purpose or you just do not know that much about farming? Many farmers grow their own crops and then use their own crops to plant for the next year. So you are telling me that they should pay for something they did not want in the first place? Geez, address what I am saying not what you assume.

          • http://extremesplash.wordpress.com/ Ben Bollman

            I am saying you would have to be a complete idiot to think that growing non-GMO next to GMO would not cross-pollinate, you cannot tell me people do this stuff unknowingly. And if you are getting the benefits of a GMO seed then you should absolutely pay for it, again people know they are doing this and not paying for it is stealing.

          • https://twitter.com/davidjkramer DavidKramer

            Now you are just pissing me off! What EXACTLY is the farmer supposed to do about the farmer growing GMO food? Burn his crops? Do not bother replying, if you do not understand that a farmer has a right to grow his crops without worrying about being sued because something a farmer next to him does. GEEZ, get a frelling GRIP!

          • http://extremesplash.wordpress.com/ Ben Bollman

            Go to another field or somewhere as far away as possible. Or quit being a cheapskate and do like most people and buy seed instead of growing your own.

          • https://twitter.com/davidjkramer DavidKramer

            I see, you advocate fascism. Nice to know. It must be nice to create something and then force others to pay for it. Great logic there buddy.

          • http://extremesplash.wordpress.com/ Ben Bollman

            No I advocate the free market and knowingly cross-pollinating seed with GMO seed then using it for seed or selling it is stealing

          • https://twitter.com/davidjkramer DavidKramer

            No, you sir are not a free market advocate. Cross pollination IS NOT and NEVER HAS BEEN theft. Again, do you know ANYTHING about farming?

          • http://extremesplash.wordpress.com/ Ben Bollman

            Using cross-pollinated seed with patented traits you don’t own for seed and selling it to someone else for seed is absolutely theft because you are getting economic benefit from something you didn’t pay for and it has been proven in the courts to be theft so you have absolutely no ground to stand on here.

          • http://extremesplash.wordpress.com/ Ben Bollman

            Using cross-pollinated seed with patented traits you don’t own for seed and selling it to someone else for seed is absolutely theft because you are getting economic benefit from something you didn’t pay for and it has been proven in the courts to be theft so you have absolutely no ground to stand on here.

          • http://extremesplash.wordpress.com/ Ben Bollman

            And yes I do know about farming and I see guys like you who grow their own seed plant right next to us getting the benefits of our seed after I paid $300 a bag for seed while you essentially get it for free. That is not right by any stretch and you know it

          • https://twitter.com/davidjkramer DavidKramer

            NOW, we are getting to your argument. It actually had NOTHING to do with the other farmer, it is that you are pissed about someone getting benefit without having to pay for it. NOW we getting somewhere. Tell me, not once did I say ANYTHING about selling that seed to someone else for the purpose of planting. But of course, if we are going to have this argument, how long do the GMO producers get to hold that patent? Do you have to start paying those farmers from 5 years ago for the hybrids created? 10 years ago? 15, 50?

            Now, on the other side of the argument, what do you think of the GMO killer seeds? You know the ones, where the seeds for the next year are infertile? Are you telling me that GMO idea is a good one? What happens to the legacy seeds? What happens when all of a sudden this killer seed begins to cross pollinate and begin destroying all our crops?

          • http://extremesplash.wordpress.com/ Ben Bollman

            What are you talking about, of course that is what I am pissed about. That is what I have been saying the past few comments. Hybrids are constantly changing, the varieties people used five years ago are not the same as the ones used today which is why they renew the tech agreement yearly. I’m guessing they make ‘killer seeds’ so guys like you won’t use cross-pollinated GMO seed to plant next year, sounds like a good idea.

          • http://extremesplash.wordpress.com/ Ben Bollman

            And yes I do know about farming and I see guys like you who grow their own seed plant right next to us getting the benefits of our seed after I paid $300 a bag for seed while you essentially get it for free. That is not right by any stretch and you know it

          • https://twitter.com/davidjkramer DavidKramer

            No, you sir are not a free market advocate. Cross pollination IS NOT and NEVER HAS BEEN theft. Again, do you know ANYTHING about farming?

          • redheadgrl

            So, I should have to leave the farmland that has been in my family for 100s of years? Really? That’s your proposal to solve the issue?

          • http://extremesplash.wordpress.com/ Ben Bollman

            You people really know nothing about farming or business really, seed is an input and you buy it every year. The majority of farmers don’t save back their own seed anymore and haven’t for years so acting all outraged about supposedly not being able to farm because you can’t save back your own seed is a stupid argument.

          • http://extremesplash.wordpress.com/ Ben Bollman

            or buy seed seed like a normal person

          • redheadgrl

            clever. what if I don’t want to buy GMO seeds?

          • http://extremesplash.wordpress.com/ Ben Bollman

            they sell non-GMO seed too

          • http://twitter.com/mnfe2 Lisa

            David, I am with you. Joe Farmer has NO CONTROL over what his neighbor is doing. And maybe he doesn’t WANT hybrid seeds, considering some of the current anti-GMO sentiment out there. I guess if he gets fined, etc, he should sue the farmer who planted the GMO and contaminated his crops. It makes about as much sense as punishing the farmer on the receiving end of pollin.

          • https://twitter.com/davidjkramer DavidKramer

            This is just another form of fascism. The GMO producers have even created seeds that the crop’s seeds are infertile. They will not produce the next crop. That is the kind of frankenseed crap I am worried about. Large corporations instituting these kind of ideas into our food supply. You can ask the Soviets how their huge mega farms worked out. Once a problem occurred, it swept through the mega farms destroying production. Such a great idea………..

          • http://extremesplash.wordpress.com/ Ben Bollman

            If you think companies that sell a product and don’t want their intellectual property being stolen is fascism then you need to educate yourself. GMO’s are just a step ahead in technology kind of like how Blu-Ray overtook DVD’s, GMO’s have become the standard technology for anyone who actually wants to compete in the marketplace. There are also more than one company selling them and millions of small farms who buy them and grow them so your fear-mongering Soviet mega farm BS is pure nonsense. Companies also sell non-GMO seed so if you want non-GMO seed going freaking buy it and quit bitching about it please.

          • redheadgrl

            But how is cross-pollination stealing? It just doesn’t make sense. If I deliberately come to your crops and steal seed, then yeah, I’m stealing the technology. If nature’s wind is the cause of the cross-pollination, then it is not stealing. But Monsanto will sue anyway.

          • http://extremesplash.wordpress.com/ Ben Bollman

            The traits in a seed are patented and cross-pollinating passes those traits to other plants. Monsanto’s biggest issue though is people bagging it up and selling it which they should be concerned because those people are basically selling their technology.

          • redheadgrl

            But see, that’s more $$ in the bank for Monsanto. If the seeds I buy from them this year won’t let me seed for next year, then I have to go right back to Monsanto for next year’s crops, too. I really don’t like the way Monsanto practices business, so I try not to eat processed crap, corn, wheat, soy, etc. GO Primal baby! Grok on!

          • redheadgrl

            But if I don’t want to grow GMO, and you do, why should Monsanto punish me for your seeds blowing into my field and cross-pollinating? Why doesn’t Monsanto sue you for forcing cross-pollination? Monsanto is out of control.

          • http://extremesplash.wordpress.com/ Ben Bollman

            The fact that you think seeds blowing into another field is cross-pollinating shows how little you know about farming.

          • redheadgrl

            But if you don’t sign the agreement, and grow non-GMO corn, but my GMO corn blows some seeds onto your land, Monsanto comes to sue you and put you out of business. They are going way above-board in their patent protection.

          • http://extremesplash.wordpress.com/ Ben Bollman

            The only cases I have seen where seed companies sue growers is when the grower grows GMO seed then bags it up and sells it himself. I know of two or three farmers in my area who have done that and got caught. I agree sometimes companies can get out of hand protecting their patents but in those cases they are justified.

          • redheadgrl

            But if you don’t sign the agreement, and grow non-GMO corn, but my GMO corn blows some seeds onto your land, Monsanto comes to sue you and put you out of business. They are going way above-board in their patent protection.

        • http://extremesplash.wordpress.com/ Ben Bollman

          I have also personally seen people try to sell the hybrid seed they grow and get huge fines/jail time for it. It isn’t worth it.

  • https://twitter.com/davidjkramer DavidKramer

    One more point in regards to GMO, the major problem is with the cross pollination of GMO grains. The GMO plants cross pollinate with the grains in non GMO crops and then the legacy grains are contaminated. Then the GMO companies turn around and sue farmers that use their own grains to re plant the following year. Because of the cross pollination, the GMO companies claim they are breaking patent rights.

  • PD MacGuire

    Farmers in India and Bangladesh and their families are sick and dying because of Monsanto GMO seeds. We shouldn’t have to eat Monsanto’s poison and they shouldn’t be able to export it.

  • americanscott

    GMOs are dangerous. As far as honeybees, there is evidence on both sides of that argument. If you really want to freak out, read the research on GMO effect on lab animals. The ones fed all GMO grains did not grow properly, had inefficient immune systems and died before reaching maturity. These things are no joke and Monsanto, the number one producer, needs to be shut down. You can’t blame the left or the right in this argument, Monsanto is like cancer and has infected politicians on both sides because they present themselves as helping humanity and they are very convincing. There are politicians who are fighting against them now that a few years ago, had no idea what the implications were but have since been awakened.

    • $25553948

      Let me guess, Food Inc.? Excuse me while I yawn. Politicians are the ones who make subsidies, which is part of the problem that creates companies like Monsanto (I’m very sure I haven’t eaten a thing from this company), and you think more politicians and laws will be the solution. Sorry, that’s wrong, and it will only be a new mistake that causes new problems.

      • americanscott

        You’re welcome to guess, but you’ll just make an ass of yourself, so while you are yawning, shove a sock in it. I have never heard of “Food Inc.” , I had to Google it. I do not think that more laws will solve the problem and I have no idea where you came up with that little gem of stupid. Right now the only thing being asked for is labeling, what the hell is wrong with that? Shouldn’t people know what is in their food so they can choose? It is something that is not natural and some of us try to avoid those things as much as humanly possible. I guarantee you have eaten Monsanto products, they are numerous and saturate the market. You obviously don’t know anything about them, maybe you should Google. I am not on the left either, princess. Do you imagine that because I don’t want to eat government endorsed fake food that I am a leftist? Quite the opposite, I want the government (FDA, CDC, etc.) out of my personal business of what I eat and stop trying to force me into what they think is best. What is your damage?

        • $25553948

          Sorry for being snarky. I honestly didn’t mean to be insulting, and I certainly didn’t think you were a leftist. This is just an argument that has been said to me too many times, and every time that movie gets brought up. There is nothing wrong with information, but I doubt this law will solve the problems you say are caused by Monsanto and GM foods. I agree with you about those government agencies should get out of people’s business, but with these agencies still in place, the law would only do more damage and drive out more business in California. Again, I’m sorry for sounding insulting, and I didn’t mean to patronize.

          • americanscott

            You are right, it absolutely will not solve the issues with GMOs even remotely BUT it will allow people like myself try to avoid them. There is a fear that it will drive out business because people will overwhelmingly will opt for more natural choices and force companies to use more expensive ingredients, however, Kashi just learned the hard way that people who eat their food would rather pay a little more than get a surprise of GMO in their cereal bowl. There is no easy solution to this. I am all for corporations and big business but I question the ethics of biotech companies. What they do affects us physically.

          • $25553948

            I just don’t think that’s the way to do it. I would much prefer to end subsidies, as that is the main culprit (I believe) that causes bad ethics to happen more frequently. By cutting off the products made cheap by these subsidies, companies would have more incentive to compete. I agree with you that GM wheats aren’t healthy for people in the long run, but I learned that through watching and learning a few things from Fat Head – that references a few books – (in the blog it references a book called Wheat Belly, which I’d like to read, too) that the wheats now might do more long term damage, but that’s ultimately determined by a person’s body. However, he also points out information that wheat, in general, has been the main cause of diabetes thanks to the government trying to promote wheat over saturated fat (making the food pyramid a far more dangerous culprit than GM foods themselves). Cereal, even if it’s not GM, isn’t as healthy as eggs. The information is out there, and anyone can find it without the labels. There’s a lot of resources on http://www.fathead-movie.com if your interested.

          • redheadgrl

            You are right. As long as Congress keeps subsidizing the farming industry, players like Monsanto can continue to force GMO products on the US population. Are you Paleo or Primal?

          • $25553948

            What does Primal mean in this context. I know about Paleo.

          • redheadgrl

            It’s a little different from Paleo – basically eat like a caveman. Dairy is ok.

            http://www.marksdailyapple.com/the-book/the-primal-blueprint/#axzz2BPcUpEBg

          • $25553948

            I’ve a strong immune system, so I haven’t been affected by GMO in any major sense, plus I eat mostly meat, not very much wheat or corn syrup. Organic foods have made me kneel near a toilet a few times, believe it or not, and I knew the food I was eating was organic as it was the big thing in the area I was living at the time.

    • http://extremesplash.wordpress.com/ Ben Bollman

      Nothing but fear-mongering, just like global warming. The left gins up scary research to hurt an industry so they can make more laws and gain control of it. One friend who is a researcher told me they can make data show whatever they want to depending on who is signing the check, so you have to take this stuff with a grain of salt.

      • americanscott

        Bull. Get educated. Do you think that Monsanto doesn’t manipulate their data? They are the only ones who would have reason to do so. So I take it you are a left wing nut job, huh? Just do whatever the gubbment tells you ’cause they know best, right? You probably don’t even realize your positions are inconsistent. If global warming is BS (which it is) then GMOs endorsed by the government are too. Do you really believe they are fine to eat? Wake up!

        • http://extremesplash.wordpress.com/ Ben Bollman

          I am a far right wing nutjob and I grow GMO’s so unlike you I actually know what the hell I am talking about. They have revolutionized our industry by increasing the survivability and yields of our crops. Without them we would not have enough yield to feed the world like we are. Also, what do GMO’s have to do with the government? They are a technological advancement, a good business adapts to the best technology. Also, Monsanto is not the only company that sells and grows GMO’s, you also have companies like Dow, Dupont, and Syngenta that compete with them. They are absolutely fine to eat too, I hate when the organic police comes in and demonizes any type of genetic modification without any evidence whatsoever that it hurts anyone. People like you are so naive and think because you read some organic nutjob’s fear-mongering BS about GMO’s you all of a sudden have a clue what you are talking about, I’m here to tell you that you don’t.

    • http://extremesplash.wordpress.com/ Ben Bollman

      Nothing but fear-mongering, just like global warming. The left gins up scary research to hurt an industry so they can make more laws and gain control of it. One friend who is a researcher told me they can make data show whatever they want to depending on who is signing the check, so you have to take this stuff with a grain of salt.

  • Purple State

    There are great reasons to vote in support of 37 that don’t involve bees or tumors. One is why isn’t it our right to know what’s in the food we eat?

  • kch50428

    News Flash: Everything we eat has been genetically modified. Plant hybridization is genetic modification. Selective breeding of animals is genetic modification. The only way to avoid consuming genetically modified food is to die.

  • kch50428

    News Flash: Everything we eat has been genetically modified. Plant hybridization is genetic modification. Selective breeding of animals is genetic modification. The only way to avoid consuming genetically modified food is to die.

  • Mistercutt

    Genetically engineered food = First world problem. Millions starve while we have folks who eat perfectly healthy food and then puke it up. Don’t we have bigger issues to focus on?

    • Purple State

      We live in the first-world, and these issues aren’t mutually exclusive. We can have our food labeled to know what’s in it AND send aid to starving nations.

  • http://freerepublic.com GOPcongress

    The Bees are vanishing because the stars are going out, because the Earth has been transported to the Medusa Cascade, where we are all in danger of being exterminated by the Daleks unless the Doctor can save us…

    (If you have absolutely NO idea what I’m talking about, you aren’t a “Whovian.”)

  • Mistertbones

    I prefer having the free market decide whether or not people want to eat GMO foods, not the government!

    • Purple State

      How can the free market decide — no one knows which foods contain GMOs? That’s the point of the bill. Once the food is labeled, THEN the free market will show us what people want to eat. Right now, consumers don’t have a choice.

      • $25553948

        Force does not equal freedom. Consumers do have a choice, and that requires knowing farms they buy from, either on their own or from other sources. Certainly, I don’t do my research in the food I eat because I don’t care, and I haven’t had any problems. Requiring nutritional facts doesn’t help people to eat healthy foods. Having this law will only drive away more businesses out of CA. Plus, this law, like all moronic bureaucracies, is based on favoring certain products over others: requiring certain foods to be labeled but not others. If consumers cared at all about labels on food they would put certain companies and farmers under pressure, giving them motive to label their products.

        • Purple State

          Choice equals freedom. The point of the law is big food corporations don’t have to disclose anywhere they’re using GMOs in, say, a bag of chips. There’s nowhere for a consumer who wants to do that research to find that information because the corporation has absolutely no obligation to disclose it. It’s not the local farmers who oppose this bill — it’s Pepsi, Sara Lee, Kraft, etc.

          And no, of course accurate nutrition labeling doesn’t make someone eat healthy foods. But it does allow those who want to educate themselves about their food to make an informed decision.

          The fact that these big food companies are trying so hard to keep concealing this information should give all of us pause.

          • $25553948

            Big food corporations. How quaint. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to know Pepsi isn’t in the business of healthy foods. I made a decision to drink less soda, on my own, and guess what, it wasn’t the labels that convinced me. Government is not the solution to this problem you want it to solve, government is the problem because subsidies. I’m perfectly willing to agree to end subsidies, which will put more pressure on big corporations than a labeling law, who will either have no problem fronting the cash to follow the labeling law or will simply move out of the state, along with smaller businesses. Ending subsidies will make the price of corn and other products go up, making certain unhealthy foods less profitable than they would be with the subsidies. This will enact free markets and more choice.

            What’s your evidence that they conceal this information? And what makes this information so vital? Why aren’t people choosing to flood these companies with phone calls and complaints, demanding they disclose this information? If it’s a detriment to public health, why do I see less sick people and not more sick people? For the record, I see less fat people day-to-day than what is reported by the media and politicians, so if you use the obesity epidemic as a reason, it’s a poor reason. Plus, the measurements used to determine obesity are out of date, making Brad Pit and other not-fat people obese. If your argument is based off of diabetes, I suggest you look watch Fathead and read the blog http://www.fathead-movie.com. That is a more solid argument to GM foods, and the information there provides more solid evidence on how to keep from eating GM wheat without using government control.

            This law will make less choices, not more. Force is not a choice. That is tyranny.

          • Purple State

            It’s not about healthy food vs. non-healthy food. It’s about the fact that there are foods out there a consumer might think are healthy because the current label on which they’ve based that judgment are not obligated to list all ingredients — such as GMOs.

            Here’s the full list of donors urging a no-vote on 37.
            http://www.noprop37.com/donors/
            Not all of these are in the “junk” food market.

            I still don’t understand why you think consumers have more choice now when they have less information. The law doesn’t regulate anything or give control to any entity. It only requires a food label to be accurate. Having more information means consumers can make a more informed choice. That’s not tyranny. (Unless you’re in Big Food, in which case, what are you hiding?)

          • $25553948

            Not in Big Food, whatever that means. If it’s not about healthy vs. non-healthy then why have the crisis to have this information be a requirement? You’re bases is that your sure they are lying, but we have no proof because they’re not obligated, so let’s force them to label it to make sure they’re not lying. Again, what is your evidence they’re all concealing information? If they are, what is the evidence that this concealed information is detrimental to public welfare? People don’t make informed choices based on what’s forced upon them. No one uses the nutritional facts to make informed choices at McDonald’s: you either decide you want stuff yourself or you get the salad or you don’t spend your money at McDonald’s. That happened before the nutritional facts were being forced upon them, and it happens now. Oh, and I don’t give labels credit for informing people to stop smoking, either. There are certain places that should be tobacco free with as much labels they require for tobacco companies, but there’s a smoker for every corner in those cities. What’s keeping people from making informed choices right now? Choice. You’re looking for a boogeyman that isn’t there. Now, here’s the most important question to ask in regards to this law: Where’s the end? Maybe we should have labels on books that say “May cause paper cuts,” or on speakers “May cause hearing loss,” or how about we put signs up everywhere telling people not to look directly at the sun? After all, there’s nothing wrong with more information. A requirement is a regulation. What if a bureaucrat thinks a company is being dishonest when they’re not? If you can’t trust the FDA and the EPA why trust this law to make things right? (Notice how I didn’t imply whether you were in Big Government and didn’t question whether or not you were hiding something? I see you as an individual with an opinion, so don’t try to assume I’ve an agenda behind my opinion.)

          • redheadgrl

            http://truefoodnow.org/campaigns/genetically-engineered-foods/

            “Currently, up to 85 percent of U.S. corn is genetically engineered as are 91 percent of soybeans and 88 percent of cotton (cottonseed oil is often used in food products). It has been estimated that upwards of 70 percent of processed foods on supermarket shelves–from soda to soup, crackers to condiments–contain genetically engineered ingredients.”

            Corn is everywhere. And, if you know anything about Monsanto, they are fighting to make it all 100% GMO (patents and all that recurring revenue) — with our government’s help.

            I used to think this was all a bunch of hooey, too, until I started looking into it. Our food supply here in the US is jacked. Not sure how it ties into the bees, but I’ve been a lot healthier since I cut the processed and GMO foods out of my diet.

          • redheadgrl

            http://truefoodnow.org/campaigns/genetically-engineered-foods/

            “Currently, up to 85 percent of U.S. corn is genetically engineered as are 91 percent of soybeans and 88 percent of cotton (cottonseed oil is often used in food products). It has been estimated that upwards of 70 percent of processed foods on supermarket shelves–from soda to soup, crackers to condiments–contain genetically engineered ingredients.”

            Corn is everywhere. And, if you know anything about Monsanto, they are fighting to make it all 100% GMO (patents and all that recurring revenue) — with our government’s help.

            I used to think this was all a bunch of hooey, too, until I started looking into it. Our food supply here in the US is jacked. Not sure how it ties into the bees, but I’ve been a lot healthier since I cut the processed and GMO foods out of my diet.

          • Purple State

            I didn’t mean anything personal in my comment about Big Food. Sorry for the misunderstanding if that’s how it came across. I’m just trying to understand why a consumer wouldn’t want the right to know.

            It’s fine if people don’t look at the nutritional facts at McDonald’s and still decide to eat there. It’s still there for them to look at if they’re so inclined. Just because some people or even most people aren’t interested isn’t reason enough to continue concealing information for all people.

            The analogies to paper or speakers don’t work. These warnings aren’t about misuse or about careless use. Prop 37 is about having the right to know. Just to know.

          • $25553948

            Nothing personal taken. This information can be found out, and often you’ll find out more than what is required to be shown. I only used the paper examples to explain why I asked the question Where’s the end? Giving the government the ability to require labels on food is precisely the same thing as requiring labels for other things that are harmful. There’s nothing wrong with wanting information, but you cannot force people or businesses to do that through government coercion, however logical or compassionate or right it may seem. That isn’t freedom, it goes against all principles of liberty, and we’ve let many similar laws pass and pass. And I do believe if most people aren’t interested in using the information then it’s the best reason not to mandate these laws on businesses. Prop 37 is not about the right to know, you already have the right to seek knowledge, you can know. There are unintended consequences to this law because of a deemed right. Often organic farming uses pesticides more harmful to humans. If GMO farmers should be required to label their food, why not organic farmers? See Penn and Teller’s Bullshit on Organic Foods, there’s a few researchers that they interview that have done the research.

          • Purple State

            I have the right to seek knowledge, yes, but until a proposition like 37 passes, it’s also the right of these big food corporations to keep me from it. It’s perfectly legal to put GMOs in any food without telling me.

          • $25553948

            If that were the case, you wouldn’t know about Monsanto. Knowing about Monsanto empowers you to keep your money out of their pockets, and the best step to make it permanent would be to end subsidies. You can find certain grass fed meats online, too. I know of a site that’s all for grass fed meats, yet the owner made a thorough argument against the documentary Food Inc., which makes similar arguments against GMO’s and for legislation like 37.

          • $25553948

            Here’s an article that takes a more reasonable (no pun intended) approach to the problem: http://reason.com/archives/2012/09/15/why-californias-gmo-labeling-law-isnt-th

          • Purple State

            Thanks for sharing.

          • $25553948

            No problem. Thanks for the engaging discussion.

        • redheadgrl

          However, studies have shown that GMO is harmful. People should be able to know what is in their food. GMO is not just a hybrid seed, it is introducing a pesticide into the seed so bugs won’t eat the crops. If it’s not good for bugs, how can it be good for our digestive systems?

        • redheadgrl

          However, studies have shown that GMO is harmful. People should be able to know what is in their food. GMO is not just a hybrid seed, it is introducing a pesticide into the seed so bugs won’t eat the crops. If it’s not good for bugs, how can it be good for our digestive systems?

    • redheadgrl

      The prop will require GMO food to be labeled so people CAN have a choice. As it is now, you don’t know that the corn or whatever grain you like is GMO or not, unless you buy strict organic. You would be surprised what percentage of the American food supply is GMO.

    • redheadgrl

      The prop will require GMO food to be labeled so people CAN have a choice. As it is now, you don’t know that the corn or whatever grain you like is GMO or not, unless you buy strict organic. You would be surprised what percentage of the American food supply is GMO.

  • skeptic23

    the a’s are absent, the b’s are disappearing, the c’s are rising, is this a case for big bird?

  • TocksNedlog

    Sheen’s concern stems from the time he bought that “modified” hooker (Steve>Stephanie). Oh, the embarrassment — he could’ve just died!

  • TocksNedlog

    Sheen’s concern stems from the time he bought that “modified” hooker (Steve>Stephanie). Oh, the embarrassment — he could’ve just died!

  • Gregg Hammerquist

    Sigh. I still think there’s nothing wrong with labeling food. I’m always for MORE information.

  • Gregg Hammerquist

    Sigh. I still think there’s nothing wrong with labeling food. I’m always for MORE information.

  • $25553948

    Help. Police. Murder. Let’s make a law to require certain foods to be
    labeled an not others because that will end corruption, that will heal
    the sick. Oh, if only we forced companies to label foods will we be
    finally saved from the ignorance of the MASSES (look, all capital
    letters, that’s capitalization, so we should ban use of capital letters,
    too!). Give me a break then break me off a piece of that Kit-Kat bar because I am done.

  • $25553948

    Help. Police. Murder. Let’s make a law to require certain foods to be
    labeled an not others because that will end corruption, that will heal
    the sick. Oh, if only we forced companies to label foods will we be
    finally saved from the ignorance of the MASSES (look, all capital
    letters, that’s capitalization, so we should ban use of capital letters,
    too!). Give me a break then break me off a piece of that Kit-Kat bar because I am done.

  • redheadgrl

    I gotta give Charlie this one. GMO is not good for us.

  • redheadgrl

    I gotta give Charlie this one. GMO is not good for us.

  • Nergal

    I can’t speak for the bees. What i can tell you is that we probably should not be tampering with God’s work. There are people who work in GMO development who tell their families not to touch them, and I suspect there is a reason for that. I’m sure I’m about to get burned by a dozen flames for saying it, but personally, I don’t like them, or even the idea of them.

  • Typewriterstreaming

    Stick to drinking your tiger’s milk.